With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

Oh so like the second Sudanese civil war?

 

Simultaneous civil wars all over South America? Sounds like nothing out of the ordinary.

 

So why can I just see ol' Lex having the perfect military product ready to sell to deal with situations just like this?

 

Dude OL fucking commented already that their demands are over the top and says to himself how a strong opening position is one way to negotiate:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Door-in-the-face_technique
Is it the best way to go in this situation? Probably not, but it's not unreasonable until the tribe refuses to negotiate the counter offer.

 

Oh yeah and I'm sure that bit of sophistry will totally work with the UN and its member states, who aren't already on edge from both the Day Without Children and the Injustice League both happening just last year / a couple years ago.

I can't see any way this doesn't become a bloodbath. With the international community already over-sensitive over massive multinational threats killing tens of thousands of people the Justice League will have to be called in, and even then I don't see the governments involved not opting to essentially declare war on the Amazon Rainforest just because it's "harboring their enemies" and forcing the League to go along with it.

 

Either "He was being pretty clear" or "It was pretty clear". Grammatically it's not wrong as-is, but it's not the way any dialect I'm familiar with would naturally choose to phrase it.

You're looking for "clean hands" (or "unclean hands" or "dirty hands" if you're phrasing it as something to avoid instead of an ideal to pursue).

 

I wonder how Renegade will deal with the Children of Dawn? Or they got killed by the pig flu in his variant?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_flu_pandemic

 

Dick move, offering up an interview without talking to him about it first.

Because that's pretty much exactly how most versions of Lex operate?

Either smack them down (verbally first, of course) or advise the Brazilian government to give in to their demands, depending on his mood.

 

No one wants Justice League to step in and tell countries they can't go to war anymore. However, no one is against Justice League intertwining against international superpowered terrorists, and the UN Security Council can designate them as such and request Justice League help.

 

I'd suggest we talk about bacon trees. But, that runs the risk of turning into a verbal ham bush.

(I did like the quote about a lot more people being willing to go vegetarian if they could go on eating bacon sandwiches...)

 

Viva la revolución

 

And as others have said before, the JL will likely ignore it, as subjugated natives rising against their oppressors.

 

I hope that OL isn't daft enough to plant the Dryad Seed, but I know that he is.

She's... not really bright enough to realise the immediate problems with this plan, and is likely to just start repopulating the rain-forest willy-nilly. Then they're going to firebomb her and she'll get upset.

Are those tribes also Dannered? Cuz if not, it's not going to be much of a war, and if they are it's going to look like one single faction declaring war on multiple countries.

 

Yes, though they don't have as many as the Accala.

 

That’s really the key question here, isn’t it. “Are the tribes actually expecting that these demands will be met?” Asking for completely unreasonable things is a time honored tradition in negotiation, especially between groups that hate each other. This only becomes a problem when said groups actually expect that they will receive these demands, and are willing to use force to obtain them, we don’t know which category the tribes fall into yet.

Since dawn warrior is with them, they shouldn’t be (completely) ignorant of the wider world, and should know that taking on the countries of the world isn’t going to be easy or simple. BUT, contrary to what a lot of people on this thread seem to be saying, taking down an army of Danner enhanced tribesmen would be far from easy. They wouldn’t be able to hold all that territory, but they don’t need to. Just take down any infrastructure built there over the next few decades, and eventually it’ll just be to expensive for governments to try. The only thing that would really work against them is WMD’s, and targeting super powered gorilla fighters without making the region uninhabitable is a tall order. Of course, this can all be countered by OL sniping them from Orbit, or hiring super powered mercenaries, so most likely, barring some sort of trump card, the tribes would eventually loose after a long and bloody struggle. Therefore, it would be highly non-sensible for that demand to be their hard line end position, but centuries of oppression and festering hatred can have that effect on people, especially when this generation hasn’t actually seen their super powered brothers in arms blown to pieces. Guess we’ll have to wait and see how far out the tribal elders have actually planned this beyond “Drive out the invaders!!!!!!”

 

Why exactly is the planet Equestria is on called Wilson?

 

Sadly, the relevant citation is a YouTube video that has since been taken down. The video, which playfully analyzed the physics of MLP, observed that Equestria was just one country and the planet didn't have a canonical name, so the presenter arbitrarily named it "Wilson."

 

There's a huge difference between the League telling countries that they can't go to war and them stepping in to help stop a group of superpowered terrorists at the countries request

And whilst the tribes winning would be great for the environment it would fuck the world over in multiple different ways

I mean, they kind of are though?

The fact that they have a right to be mad doesn't change the fact that what they want to do will greatly harm a huge amount of people

I think at the point where their end goal is to force millions of innocent people from their homes and forcibly deindustrialise most of a continent regardless of the effect that would have on the global economy

Yeah except OL, Squire and Rocket can all attest that these tribes are all allied, in communication with one another and working toward a mutual goal

That's no different than a terrorist organisation operating in cells, which definitely falls under the Leagues purview

Oh I know that these are just the beginning stages of negotiations but I'm just saying if this is what they're genuinely expecting then they're fucked

Except that's not really an excuse when you're a superhuman that lives in such deep exclusion that most of them have never really met their "oppressors" and even if they had still doesn't excuse forcing millions of innocent people out of their homes and potentially even their country or continent!

 

I'm still weighing up whether or not it would be inappropriately creepy to PM the woman who made it and ask for a copy.

 

Thank you, corrected.

Ah, thank you.

 

Lex already has the Danner formula and how to work it. If Hugo wants to go off script back with his old clan in an idea that will devastate South America for one super powered tribe, Lex is not going to back the tribe

 

Yeah Luthor already has the formula and has Nyssa and Magnificus, one has decades if not centuries of experience with alchemy and the other is one of the worlds if not the universes most brilliant scientists. Hugo would appear to have just copied the formula his father made.

 

Most of the country wasn't originally jungle.

Spoiler: Biome Map

Dark green (Amazon Rainforest) is actual jungle. Brown (caatinga) is semi-desertic scrubland, yellow and red (cerrado and pampa) are savannah-like scrublands, blue (pantanal) is freshwater marshlands and light green (atlantic rainforest) is actually tropical and subtropical forest. ridiculously less dense than jungle and dependent on rain shadow effects for its sustenance. Trying to extend the jungle into these other biomes would require extensive use of magic, as it's flat out impossible with real life technology.

Also, there's the thing that the native tribes are very far from monolithic. I'm not going to go on about prehistoric Brazil or how the country was colonized after the Portuguese and the Spaniards arrived, but it's very dissimilar from what happened in hispanic America or the areas colonized by other nations. Large parts of the country spoke a Tupi language until Portuguese became mandatory in the 1750s, and it remained the native language of vast swathes of the country well into the late 19th century. Plenty of tribes across the country would be pissed off at the presumption that they'd want to live in the jungle.

 

If they say "we want territory from these other countries", the proper response is "Well, I said I was just here for negotiations. If you want something from countries other than Brazil, I'm going to have to bring those other countries to the negotiating table". Then do it. That should shut them up.

Also, the other countries may demand that Brazil destroy the tribes, because if country A has insurgents that attack country B and A can't reign them in, that's cause for war.

 

Seeing as how things went down in the renegade goes to Mars negotiations, this episode may surprise, as unlike the mars episode where things seemed to be going smoothly only to go to the shits, what with Karmang killing most of the Reds, by giving us a shitty beginning of a negotiation ending in a peaceful resolution.

 

Despite what many self-interested governments have pushed for the past 20 years, the word "terrorism" is not a magic descriptor that means it's the duty of every civilized person to fight them at all times and on every front.

That word is "piracy", the traditional enemies of all civilization.

 

While I do generally agree the word terrorism has lost a lot of its meaning and severity, I'm not sure your replacement is better. I mean, which kind of piracy are we talking about here? Because if we're talking about naval piracy or some such, you're basically just talking about muggers with a budget.

 

If OL decides to pacify them I do not see it taking more than a hour for him to depower all the superpowered jungle people.

 

Wait there's one factor we forgot to take into account, Overgirl is still here...