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Baldomare tells us something we know but not something Velvet knows.Meanwhile Baldomare just tells me things I already know. I'd rather mollify the Sun that apparently hands out cool treasures like candy if you don't turn them down orrrrrr see what happens if we pick a widespread positive option.
Baldomsre tells us something we know but not something Velvet knows.
Also, where did the assumption Celestia is handing out something that may be useful to us or if it is useful something we can actually use come from? It's probably a sentimental gift and or something to help Cadance in her duties. To assume it's gonna help us is folly.
I might be wrong about this / it might be a problem from an earlier version of the tally program, but I think that the vote has to be at the begining of a line /can't be in the middle of the sentence for it to be counted.
And why would a Mare that spelizies in organization and management, suddenly have indebt esoteric knowledge that gone missed for the last thousand+ years. A mare that I remind you failed to get into the elite unicorn school. Your idea makes Velvet more suspicious not less.I mean, given her insane level of competence for the... Legendary Luna Lookabout (TM, subject to change upon me figuring out a better triple letter acronym seeing as it basically replaced the GGG), this isn't exactly out of the question for her. Like, anyone looking into her gets "Okay, minor noble, sent to a rural town for farmland bookkeeping.", and then they compare it to "Hypercompetent Mare who basically overhauled the entire search over all of Equestria twice or thrice over."... yeah I think that's a level of hyperintelligence/competence that could be easily shrugged off as just Velvet things.
Technically we don't know if that's all that's involved. The only other situation we've seen it (finding Selene) was under Weird Circumstances, so it might be more complicated than just "kill an Outsider".We don't need to break in if one of the Princess lets us in.
Taps forehead
Jokes aside we presumably only need to break in, kill Discord and then win next turn or the same turn if Bird lets us do so.
We don't actually know that. Like yeah, "blood has always been the currency of the world" but it's not always... literal blood. E.g. when we sacrificed those two Torn Risen to summon the Master, there wasn't really much bloodletting going on. And Windigos are entirely incorporeal but still can be sacrificed and used to power rituals. So assuming that we'd have to release Discord before we can do whatever we have to do to get the Blood of the Outsider seems a bit, premature?If Discord is still statue then potential problem is that you can't squeeze blood out of stone. So then task becomes release Discord and then attempt to slay him. Which while fun is also quite troublesome for obvious reasons.
I understand that blood is metaphor, but I still find it very unlikely that Discord can be easily killed, and that it would also conventionally fullfill all necessary conditions. For all we know shattering his stone statue will only release him. It is quite possible that if she though it would help current Celestia would have already done so unless she totally forgot about him.We don't actually know that. Like yeah, "blood has always been the currency of the world" but it's not always... literal blood. E.g. when we sacrificed those two Torn Risen to summon the Master, there wasn't really much bloodletting going on. And Windigos are entirely incorporeal but still can be sacrificed and used to power rituals. So assuming that we'd have to release Discord before we can do whatever we have to do to get the Blood of the Outsider seems a bit, premature?
Yep, protection against backstabbing while she is distracted and weakened.and then the Forge blocked the way to the Glory, so nobody might stop this new path... so that the old could not go back to replace the new.
The QM made it clear that by the time Celestia rises in Lantern we need a good explanation how we are so deep in the Lores.I am of the opinion that if the Bureau learns of the Lore's, Velvet dies. GM made it crystal clear we cannot fool Celestia. Once Celestia learns of the lore's she will notice that Velvet is super powerful in them, and then kill Velvet.
The Bureau learning of the lores is doom clock to a bad end.
Celestia doesn't have the advantage of having Forge LoreI understand that blood is metaphor, but I still find it very unlikely that Discord can be easily killed, and that it would also conventionally fullfill all necessary conditions. For all we know shattering his stone statue will only release him. It is quite possible that if she though it would help current Celestia would have already done so unless she totally forgot about him.
Now the thing is due to Eternity the Hours enforce a certain number of Names and Longs, there is no natural limit. They also send hunter killers after you if you aren't in their service and still active in the world. So in the current condition becoming a Long means we can ascend to Name-hood via the Keys that Marinette probably knows the locations and almost definitely holds one off.
That is all assuming there is even a quest past getting through the Tricuspid Gate because Bird has repeatedly said Glory is the easiest ending and I don't know about you but throwing down with two of the strongest Hours or an Alukite Hour is not what I'd call easiest victory.
We've had this whole thing before. People, including me, voted to do Rarity doing Cadance's dressing which, again provided nothing beyond uncertain narrative benefits (if even those) and feel good stuff, for both certain and uncertain benefits (some of which like the Names would've been so very useful with hindsight). In my eyes choosing either Celestia or the Guests is doing the same.
Some people are just THAT talented, you know. It's rare, but it's possible. and there's no precedents for how fast someone can learn the lores from Eclipse's and Celestia's point of view.I think you need to recheck how many lores Velvet has at high level, is Branded etc. And it been made impossible to fake having lore knowledge prior on because we chose to never share it prior. The only logical reason for Velvet to have the extreme level of lore knowledge, and don't mistake it for anything else, most people need decades to do what Velvet did in about year. And on top of that never coming forward with it prior, means Velvet is complicit in enemy action.
And Velvet is not in charge of research and magical development, her suddenly jumping froward decades overnight when she has zero reason to be doing that anyway. Especially in anything less then at least a year is an bleeding clear clue the blind could see.
we admittedly might be more ready than we assume, depending on Luna's condition... but we just don't know.Discovering Discord potentially is as simple as asking Baldomare to scry for any Outsider we are not aware of, since we already aware about Blood of Outsider requirement thus having in character motivations to do it. The question is what to do after and I don't quite think that we are ready for any confrontation with him.
"are we still going to be enemies" "no".It seemed Velvet had the same idea – the finishing up, not the galloping. "That's all I have to say to you, Copper. Are we still going to be enemies?"
The answer was obvious. Even if Copper was growing increasingly worried, there was no way that she would ever settle for peace with Velvet Covers. Either she was lying,and thus could just easily be lying about wanting a ceasefire in the first place, or she was telling the truth, and she had just committed the greatest possible betrayal. Copper let out another laugh, short and sharp this time. "No."
EDGE Dyads? REALLY?"What the hay, Velvet!" Copper rubbed her face, desperately attempting to wake back up in the real world where things made sense. "We're rivals! Edge dyads! We try to kill each other at least once a month!"
hey, she sent us the KILLING ritual."You thought that me sending a magical ritual to drive you insane was my way of letting you know that I had a crush on you?" Copper gave another one of her world-famous incredulous stares. "Why did you even come if you thought I was flirting? You're already married!"
ah, yes. Everybody knows that the best way to put an end to a war is to just make it to awkward to have it continue!And so, with Harmony and Friendship once again proven to be the most powerful forces in the universe, the first occult war seen in ten thousand years came to an end.
"one of"?Not gonna lie, I'm quite partial to one of the wolf endings at this point. Whit how Velvet has been tripping forwards so far, it only feels fair that she'd eventually hit the ground.
But until then, I suppose that I'll go along with the flow here.
[X] A self-invited guest
[X] A Royal guest
Glory is Glory, though that lootbox is calling to me
no actually! Which is why I don't really want to pick this option yet.Having gone back and re-read the update that we explored the Royal Gardens, I'm much more partial to the Baldomare option now, tbh. The first time I read it I was misremembering the spot where Discord's statue originally was as the SH nexus point, rather than the statue itself. It's not, btw, the update explicitly says that spot isn't a nexus anymore bcuz the statue was moved, I was just misremembering. So learning that Discord('s statue) is still in Canterlot is actually much more useful than I originally thought.
Are you guys ready to break into Celestia's super-secret and no doubt well-defended vaults?
we have no idea if we can kill Discord once released... or, to be fair, while still stoned.If Discord is still statue then potential problem is that you can't squeeze blood out of stone. So then task becomes release Discord and then attempt to slay him. Which while fun is also quite troublesome for obvious reasons.
It's possible Celestia didn't dare breaking the statue because she didn't know the potential result. Presumably with a scrying ritual we could learn the result of such an attempt... or we could search for "a way to kill the petrified outsider".I understand that blood is metaphor, but I still find it very unlikely that Discord can be easily killed, and that it would also conventionally fullfill all necessary conditions. For all we know shattering his stone statue will only release him. It is quite possible that if she though it would help current Celestia would have already done so unless she totally forgot about him.
I don't think it's ever outright confirmed what the exact numbers are but there is an artificially set number. We know Edge Long hunt others who aren't part of the service of an Hour or have drunk from the waters of Port Noon and have thus been forgotten by the world hence freeing up their slot, we also know that in game the Adepts have only the one slot to compete for same for the Longs. (This is from CS BoH expands on this, a lot)Do we actually have canon lore source that the number restriction is artificial? Genuine question here.
And I think that Discord is the final obstacle. Either we have to break into Tartarus and do him in or we delay for long enough that he breaks out and then we have to actually fight him and be the one to land the killing blow. That's plenty hard imo, no need to add something else after opening the Gate. And again I would like to point out that if we do have a further challenge we would face it as a Long. Currently we can't survive the attentions of a friendly Name what do you think we can manage against Hours?
With the benefits of hindsight I do regret that choice however accounting for the information at hand and with my projections for how things would go when we made the vote I don't think it was the wrong choice. If this vote came up before Master's ill-advised attempt at helping us I would be voting differently but now that it's been shoved into our face what kind of position we're in I can't.I do not really regret the Rarity pick, and to be fair about the Names NONE OF US even had the vaguest fear of Master being there. In hindsight sure, having the Names invited would have been nice to give us an (hopefully) better option, but we didn't know before and with what we knew it was a reasonable choice.
We don't actually have to kill him next turn.no actually! Which is why I don't really want to pick this option yet.