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Esquestria: The House of the Sun - A pony cultist experience

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[X] Plan: Not Underestimating the Bureau

[X]Plan: Forge and bombs

[X] Plan: A Paradoxical Riddle
 
[X] Plan: Primer and Warning
[X]Plan: Forge and bombs
[X] One Lore and Warning
[X] Plan: A Delay and a Warning
 
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[X] Plan: Primer and Warning

Yeah. I would like a plan with the forge ritual but to much is to dangerous. The Wendigos come first
 
[X] Plan: Not Underestimating the Bureau
[X] Plan: A Paradoxical Riddle

A plan for those who would like to both warn about Windigos and also try and buy time to remove our manuscripts:

[X] Plan: A Delay and a Warning
-[X] [SABOTAGE] You planted several conflicting, contradictory, and downright false documents. As long as they fall for it, this will cause heads to be scratched. (Attempt to hinder and obfuscate all investigation efforts. Counts as "one" evidence)
-[X] [WINDIGOS] You made it convincing. You made it look secret. You even simulated a burn mark, to pretend they tried to destroy this "document". But in the end, you warned them about the ticking bombs. (Share knowledge about the sealed Windigo's existence. Counts as "one" evidence)
-[X] You decided to start laundering some Lore-knowledge... (Lores will be picked at Velvet's discretion)
--[X] [LORE-ZERO] You only planted some very vague, but educative, information about the Lores. (No specific Lores shared, counts as "one" evidence)
 
[x] The bureau starts being useful.
-[x] You decided to start laundering some Lore-knowledge... (Lores will be picked at Velvet's discretion)
--[x] [LORE-ONE] You planted something that, in its own narrow way, has some practical use. (One Lore shared, counts as "two" evidence)

We really need the boost from having trained lore assistants for rituals.
 
Quick question about the plans that have both Sabotage and planting Lores, wouldn't the fact that the sabotage plants contradictory and wrong evidence on the scene make the Bureau less inclined to believe the Lore evidence as well? Like wouldn't that just make the Lore planting less effective for more risk as more evidence was planted (both Sabotage and Lores instead of just Lores or just Sabotage)? If people could give me an explanation about why this might not be the case then I'll throw my vote behind them but im currently confused.
 
Greymere said:
The only way we have to buy time to retrieve our manuscripts is to plant false evidence soooo... sorry Bureau! I don't trust that them getting a hold of our manuscripts will end anything but badly at their current loyalty levels.
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Is this something that planting false evidence does, @OurLadyOfWires ?

I imagine that whether the bureau finds the safe and opens up is not really dependant on what else we plant, or however many false leads there are…

[X]Plan: Forge and bombs
 
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spiderhellian said:
I imagine that whether the bureau finds the safe and opens up is not really dependant on what else we plant, or however many false leads there are…
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My guess is the less Bureau understands the more freedom we will have when coming up with our own version of events in case we will need to explain Manuscripts

[X] Plan: A Paradoxical Riddle

[X] Plan: Not Underestimating the Bureau
 
Shaper47 said:
Unlikely, it's either deliberate attack or nothing.

Summons have those bindings for a reason.
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If you don't think those spirits of malice, pain, and hate won't kill as many people on their way back to their summoner as possible, I do not know what to say. To say nothing of if the summoner had died during Luna's clean-up and so the Windigo has complete freedom when the jar pops.

Greymere said:
[X] Plan: A Paradoxical Riddle

The only way we have to buy time to retrieve our manuscripts is to plant false evidence soooo... sorry Bureau! I don't trust that them getting a hold of our manuscripts will end anything but badly at their current loyalty levels.

(damn you Baldomare for failing a DC60 roll!)


We don't get to pick which Lore(s) Velvet shares, remember?
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I mean, their current loyalty is, "lie to the entirety of Equestria on Velvet's behalf and approve of literally butchering people to make the evidence more short-lived." While it's not perfect, it's also not bad.

Ah. Well then I'll just stick to the basic Warning and Primer plan, then.

While I dislike sabotaging the Bureau, I dislike not warning about potential murder-bombs more, so I guess I'll approval vote the Delay and Warning Plan.

[X] Plan: Primer and Warning
[X] Plan: A Delay and a Warning
 
Also might as well do this, since my previous compilation post is now outdated:

[] Plan: Primer and Warning
-[] You decided to start laundering some Lore-knowledge... (Lores will be picked at Velvet's discretion)
--[] [LORE-ZERO] You only planted some very vague, but educative, information about the Lores. (No specific Lores shared, counts as "one" evidence)
-[] [WINDIGOS] You made it convincing. You made it look secret. You even simulated a burn mark, to pretend they tried to destroy this "document". But in the end, you warned them about the ticking bombs. (Share knowledge about the sealed Windigo's existence. Counts as "one" evidence)

[] Plan: Safe and Sound
-[] You decided to start laundering some Lore-knowledge... (Lores will be picked at Velvet's discretion)
--[] [LORE-ZERO] You only planted some very vague, but educative, information about the Lores. (No specific Lores shared, counts as "one" evidence)

[] Plan: Not Underestimating the Bureau
-[] [SABOTAGE] You planted several conflicting, contradictory, and downright false documents. As long as they fall for it, this will cause heads to be scratched. (Attempt to hinder and obfuscate all investigation efforts. Counts as "one" evidence)
-[] You decided to start laundering some Lore-knowledge... (Lores will be picked at Velvet's discretion)
--[] [LORE-ZERO] You only planted some very vague, but educative, information about the Lores. (No specific Lores shared, counts as "one" evidence)

[]Plan: Forge and bombs
-[] You decided to start laundering some Lore-knowledge... (Lores will be picked at Velvet's discretion)
--[] [LORE-ONE] You planted something that, in its own narrow way, has some practical use. (One Lore shared, counts as "two" evidence)
---[] Forge ("Lores will be picked at Velvet's discretion")
-[] [WINDIGOS] You made it convincing. You made it look secret. You even simulated a burn mark, to pretend they tried to destroy this "document". But in the end, you warned them about the ticking bombs. (Share knowledge about the sealed Windigo's existence. Counts as "one" evidence)

[] Plan: A Paradoxical Riddle
-[][SABOTAGE] You planted several conflicting, contradictory, and downright false documents. As long as they fall for it, this will cause heads to be scratched. (Attempt to hinder and obfuscate all investigation efforts. Counts as "one" evidence)
-[] You decided to start laundering some Lore-knowledge... (Lores will be picked at Velvet's discretion)
--[][LORE-ONE] You planted something that, in its own narrow way, has some practical use. (One Lore shared, counts as "two" evidence)

[] Plan: Just lore
-[] You decided to start laundering some Lore-knowledge... (Lores will be picked at Velvet's discretion)
--[] [LORE-THREE] You planted a small trove of useful information. More than enough to hook in the curious and the brave. (Three Lores shared, counts as "three" evidence)

[] Plan: A Delay and a Warning
-[] [SABOTAGE] You planted several conflicting, contradictory, and downright false documents. As long as they fall for it, this will cause heads to be scratched. (Attempt to hinder and obfuscate all investigation efforts. Counts as "one" evidence)
-[] [WINDIGOS] You made it convincing. You made it look secret. You even simulated a burn mark, to pretend they tried to destroy this "document". But in the end, you warned them about the ticking bombs. (Share knowledge about the sealed Windigo's existence. Counts as "one" evidence)
-[] You decided to start laundering some Lore-knowledge... (Lores will be picked at Velvet's discretion)
--[] [LORE-ZERO] You only planted some very vague, but educative, information about the Lores. (No specific Lores shared, counts as "one" evidence)

[] The bureau starts being useful.
-[] You decided to start laundering some Lore-knowledge... (Lores will be picked at Velvet's discretion)
--[] [LORE-ONE] You planted something that, in its own narrow way, has some practical use. (One Lore shared, counts as "two" evidence)

[] One Lore and Warning
-[] [WINDIGOS] You made it convincing. You made it look secret. You even simulated a burn mark, to pretend they tried to destroy this "document". But in the end, you warned them about the ticking bombs. (Share knowledge about the sealed Windigo's existence. Counts as "one" evidence)
-[] You decided to start laundering some Lore-knowledge... (Lores will be picked at Velvet's discretion)
--[] [LORE-ONE] You planted something that, in its own narrow way, has some practical use. (One Lore shared, counts as "two" evidence)
 
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Thank you Greymere it is very useful to be able to see all these plans in one place to compare and contrast quickly without needing 10 tabs open.

[X] The bureau starts being useful.
-[X] You decided to start laundering some Lore-knowledge... (Lores will be picked at Velvet's discretion)
--[X] [LORE-ONE] You planted something that, in its own narrow way, has some practical use. (One Lore shared, counts as "two" evidence)

EDIT: Now that Ro and OurLadyOfWires have clarified the Sabotage for me I will also vote for the other plan that caught my interest.

[X] Plan: A Paradoxical Riddle
-[X][SABOTAGE] You planted several conflicting, contradictory, and downright false documents. As long as they fall for it, this will cause heads to be scratched. (Attempt to hinder and obfuscate all investigation efforts. Counts as "one" evidence)
-[X] You decided to start laundering some Lore-knowledge... (Lores will be picked at Velvet's discretion)
--[X][LORE-ONE] You planted something that, in its own narrow way, has some practical use. (One Lore shared, counts as "two" evidence)
 
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[X] The bureau starts being useful.

[X] One Lore and Warning
-[X] [WINDIGOS] You made it convincing. You made it look secret. You even simulated a burn mark, to pretend they tried to destroy this "document". But in the end, you warned them about the ticking bombs. (Share knowledge about the sealed Windigo's existence. Counts as "one" evidence)
-[X] You decided to start laundering some Lore-knowledge... (Lores will be picked at Velvet's discretion)
--[X] [LORE-ONE] You planted something that, in its own narrow way, has some practical use. (One Lore shared, counts as "two" evidence)
 
BritBiscuit said:
Quick question about the plans that have both Sabotage and planting Lores, wouldn't the fact that the sabotage plants contradictory and wrong evidence on the scene make the Bureau less inclined to believe the Lore evidence as well? Like wouldn't that just make the Lore planting less effective for more risk as more evidence was planted (both Sabotage and Lores instead of just Lores or just Sabotage)? If people could give me an explanation about why this might not be the case then I'll throw my vote behind them but im currently confused.
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My impression is that the sabotage is intended to disrupt the so to speak "conventional" investigation of who what when where and why in regards to Copper's cult. For example, "what were their monetary assets and where did they go?"

The sabotage should turn this into a snarled mess, therefore obfuscating the origins of Copper and frustrating attempts to trace her history.

The Lore drop, hopefully, should be sufficiently distinct from the secular records as to avoid this muddying, and since I at least opted for Lore 1 the information will be verifiably useable.
 
Very quickly. No time.

Greymere said:
The only way we have to buy time to retrieve our manuscripts is to plant false evidence soooo... sorry Bureau! I don't trust that them getting a hold of our manuscripts will end anything but badly at their current loyalty levels.
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spiderhellian said:
Is this something that planting false evidence does, @OurLadyOfWires ?
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No. They find the manuscripts if they find the safe. Unrelated to evidence planted.

BritBiscuit said:
Quick question about the plans that have both Sabotage and planting Lores, wouldn't the fact that the sabotage plants contradictory and wrong evidence on the scene make the Bureau less inclined to believe the Lore evidence as well?
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What Ro said:
Venerable Ro said:
My impression is that the sabotage is intended to disrupt the so to speak "conventional" investigation of who what when where and why in regards to Copper's cult. For example, "what were their monetary assets and where did they go?"
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Laters.
 
[x] Plan: Primer and Warning
[x] Plan: Safe and Sound
[x] The bureau starts being useful.
[x] Nothing. (Absolutely no evidence was planted. Better safe than sorry.) (Counts as "Zero" evidence)
 
Talon Tiger Dino said:
RIP @Greymere , your hopes dashed by the cruel power of the QM. The safe lies beyond your reach to influence.
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Between the chance they find it, attacking before the investigation, and at least some seeming desire to throw off the investigation as well…

I'm sort of confused why we used the Luar Bureau at all! :V
 
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spiderhellian said:
Between the chance they find it, attacking before the investigation, and at least some seeming desire to throw off the investigation as well…

I'm sort of confused why we used them at all!
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In case we didn't successfully annihilate Copper's Cult. To clean up the things we missed. To finally introduce a bit of Lore to them. Because they wanted to hit the Cult and we didn't feel like taking a loyalty hit by denying them.

Don't know why people think a 159 DC needs increasing though.
 
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[X] Plan: A Paradoxical Riddle
-[X][SABOTAGE] You planted several conflicting, contradictory, and downright false documents. As long as they fall for it, this will cause heads to be scratched. (Attempt to hinder and obfuscate all investigation efforts. Counts as "one" evidence)
-[X] You decided to start laundering some Lore-knowledge... (Lores will be picked at Velvet's discretion)
--[X][LORE-ONE] You planted something that, in its own narrow way, has some practical use. (One Lore shared, counts as "two" evidence)
No. of Votes: 12
[◈] Plan: A Paradoxical Riddle
[X] Anjaxis
[X] BritBiscuit
[X] Greymere
[X] HellFire666
[X] LieutenantSpirit
[X] Maer
[X] MisRAR1
[X] Nevermort
[X] Rafuki22
[X] Shaper47
[X] Venerable Ro
[X] Zxzx24

[X] Plan: Primer and Warning
-[X] You decided to start laundering some Lore-knowledge... (Lores will be picked at Velvet's discretion)
--[X][LORE-ZERO] You only planted some very vague, but educative, information about the Lores. (No specific Lores shared, counts as "one" evidence)
-[X][WINDIGOS] You made it convincing. You made it look secret. You even simulated a burn mark, to pretend they tried to destroy this "document". But in the end, you warned them about the ticking bombs. (Share knowledge about the sealed Windigo's existence. Counts as "one" evidence)
No. of Votes: 10
[◈] Plan: Primer and Warning
[X] Alan975
[x] Bakkasama
[X] DelightedOne
[X] des-pair-2
[X] Limabot
[X] Portec
[X] Potdl
[X] Sintonir
[X] Sveta08
[X] Talon Tiger Dino

[X] Plan: Not Underestimating the Bureau
-[X][SABOTAGE] You planted several conflicting, contradictory, and downright false documents. As long as they fall for it, this will cause heads to be scratched. (Attempt to hinder and obfuscate all investigation efforts. Counts as "one" evidence)
-[X] You decided to start laundering some Lore-knowledge... (Lores will be picked at Velvet's discretion)
--[X][LORE-ZERO] You only planted some very vague, but educative, information about the Lores. (No specific Lores shared, counts as "one" evidence)
No. of Votes: 8
[◈] Plan: Not Underestimating the Bureau
[X] Alan975
[X] Anjaxis
[X] Greymere
[X] HellFire666
[X] LieutenantSpirit
[X] Nevermort
[X] Rafuki22
[X] Shaper47

[X] Plan: A Delay and a Warning
-[X][SABOTAGE] You planted several conflicting, contradictory, and downright false documents. As long as they fall for it, this will cause heads to be scratched. (Attempt to hinder and obfuscate all investigation efforts. Counts as "one" evidence)
-[X][WINDIGOS] You made it convincing. You made it look secret. You even simulated a burn mark, to pretend they tried to destroy this "document". But in the end, you warned them about the ticking bombs. (Share knowledge about the sealed Windigo's existence. Counts as "one" evidence)
-[X] You decided to start laundering some Lore-knowledge... (Lores will be picked at Velvet's discretion)
--[X][LORE-ZERO] You only planted some very vague, but educative, information about the Lores. (No specific Lores shared, counts as "one" evidence)
No. of Votes: 5
[◈] Plan: A Delay and a Warning
[X] DelightedOne
[X] Greymere
[X] Maer
[X] Sveta08
[X] Talon Tiger Dino

[X] Plan: Forge and bombs
-[X] You decided to start laundering some Lore-knowledge... (Lores will be picked at Velvet's discretion)
--[X][LORE-ONE] You planted something that, in its own narrow way, has some practical use. (One Lore shared, counts as "two" evidence)
---[X] Forge
-[X][WINDIGOS] You made it convincing. You made it look secret. You even simulated a burn mark, to pretend they tried to destroy this "document". But in the end, you warned them about the ticking bombs. (Share knowledge about the sealed Windigo's existence. Counts as "one" evidence)
No. of Votes: 2
[◈] Plan: Forge and bombs
[X] Rafuki22
[X] Sintonir

[X] Plan: Safe and Sound
-[X] You decided to start laundering some Lore-knowledge... (Lores will be picked at Velvet's discretion)
--[X][LORE-ZERO] You only planted some very vague, but educative, information about the Lores. (No specific Lores shared, counts as "one" evidence)
No. of Votes: 2
[◈] Plan: Safe and Sound
[x] Bakkasama
[X] Shaper47

[X] The bureau starts being useful.
-[X] You decided to start laundering some Lore-knowledge... (Lores will be picked at Velvet's discretion)
--[X][LORE-ONE] You planted something that, in its own narrow way, has some practical use. (One Lore shared, counts as "two" evidence)
No. of Votes: 2
[x] Earth-Destroyer
[X] BritBiscuit

[X] The bureau starts being useful.
No. of Votes: 2
[X] Quaxotia
[x] Bakkasama

[X] Nothing. (Absolutely no evidence was planted. Better safe than sorry.) (Counts as "Zero" evidence)
No. of Votes: 1
[x] Bakkasama

[X] One Lore and Warning
-[X][WINDIGOS] You made it convincing. You made it look secret. You even simulated a burn mark, to pretend they tried to destroy this "document". But in the end, you warned them about the ticking bombs. (Share knowledge about the sealed Windigo's existence. Counts as "one" evidence)
-[X] You decided to start laundering some Lore-knowledge... (Lores will be picked at Velvet's discretion)
--[X][LORE-ONE] You planted something that, in its own narrow way, has some practical use. (One Lore shared, counts as "two" evidence)
No. of Votes: 1
[X] Quaxotia

[X] One Lore and Warning
No. of Votes: 1
[X] spiderhellian

[X] Plan: Just lore
-[X] You decided to start laundering some Lore-knowledge... (Lores will be picked at Velvet's discretion)
--[X][LORE-THREE] You planted a small trove of useful information. More than enough to hook in the curious and the brave. (Three Lores shared, counts as "three" evidence)
No. of Votes: 1
[◈] Plan: Just lore
[X] Arrkhon


Total No. of Voters: 26

No rush.

Good night to us all.
 
I don't understand the obsession with false evidence planting the DC is 159 even a natural 100 + 25 won't make the DC even with a -30 mod to the DC.

Better to just drop Lore one level of information so the Bureau starts being useful.
 
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