With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

[DbDRAKE]

Nice.

Like these character interactions; hope it stays platonic.

 

[Agent Orange]

Yeah, I foresee them doing this a lot in the weeks to come. They might have to slowly wean themselves off each other...

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Oh, I bet Mr. Tao and Luna would totally not misinterpret this over the weeks of weaning off to come. (assuming that they would be misinterpreting it instead of seeing it for what it is. Gray keeps calling Arty 'his Other Half' in godspeak! Obviously this is a classic 'S/he's Not My Boyfriend/Girlfriend' set up /s )

Speaking of Luna, why would Grayven decline some pony based therapy? Between her age and experiences (both with a millennium long exile and with having to reconnect with her family and relearn how to function in the "present") you'd think talking with her would be his best bet? Is there anyone around that could relate to what they went through better than her?

Hmm, would Artemis be a terrestrial, pegasus, unicorn or alicorn, I wonder?

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She's a New God so she's most likely an alicorn by default.

 

[Mr Zoat]

what did he mean by embrace my other half? did he mean lynn or artemis?

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Artemis. They co-ruled a planet together.

btw wheres wally.

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Probably either at Mount Justice or at home.

did artemis and him get togather like in the show?

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No. He's dating Francis Kane.

I wouldn't call him a tyrant. A usurper maybe, but not a tyrant. He treated his subjects very well from what I can tell.

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The original meaning of 'tyrant' was alot more neutral, and would fit him perfectly well.

 

[nick012000]

Seems luke Artemis especially got a taste of what it means to be a new god...and found it suits her.

Actually, I don't ijnow this: if soneone prays to a new god, is there any effect? Can they feel it, grant boons etc.?

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Maybe? There's a cult of supervillains who worship Darkseid and his Crime Bible, IIRC. Not sure if he gives them magic superpowers or just technology, though.

Given that the Sphere of the Gods is the source of magic, they probably could grant people magic powers if they wanted to.

Or, hell, with her name she may come to some sort of arrangement with OG Artemis.

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I think it might be worthwhile to pay a visit to Themiscira regardless, because the last thing either Artemis would likely want is to having their divine domains starting to fuse together or something.

 

[DAT_NOOB]

The original meaning of 'tyrant' was alot more neutral, and would fit him perfectly well.

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I wouldn't call him a tyrant. A usurper maybe, but not a tyrant. He treated his subjects very well from what I can tell.

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I mean he did kill a lot of people.

 

[Darko]

Maybe? There's a cult of supervillains who worship Darkseid and his Crime Bible, IIRC. Not sure if he gives them magic superpowers or just technology, though.

Given that the Sphere of the Gods is the source of magic, they probably could grant people magic powers if they wanted to.


I think it might be worthwhile to pay a visit to Themiscira regardless, because the last thing either Artemis would likely want is to having their divine domains starting to fuse together or something.

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OL did fight a cult that used a piece of the AL Equation, so they most likely get both magic and tech.

 

[Darko]

I mean he did kill a lot of people.

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Who were mostly soldiers fighting him and his forces, as well continuing the chaos.

I doubt he ordered them to be tortured to death in front of everyone in the conquered cities.

 

[Ngamer11]

Since after one last visit to the world of Gate we'll be back with Paul, I kinda want the Harrowing to just be skipped. Maybe a mention of Paul becoming Paulphidian and wowing the descendants of Melmoth and other stuff so that we can go to whatever the next episode is about. Unless it is just about the Harrowing, though I'm hoping that isn't the case.

 

[iamnuff]

This is nice. I was hoping to see artemis debrief to the team, or just tell her mother what happened. I don't really wanna see either of them turning to ponies to deal with this, it cheapens the effect and shouldn't help anyway.


They need to reacquaint to earth. Not fuck off and visit another new world.

 

[Darko]

This is nice. I was hoping to see artemis debrief to the team, or just tell her mother what happened. I don't really wanna see either of them turning to ponies to deal with this, it cheapens the effect and shouldn't help anyway.


They need to reacquaint to earth. Not fuck off and visit another new world.

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They also need some therapy, and visiting a world that literary radiates friendship is a good way to get some, as well as letting them go to a place that is a bit less stress inducing than Earth.

Yeah they need to reacquaint themselves, but they may also need a place to go to if it feels a bit too much.

 

[BartlettMagic]

Some godspeech:

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thank you, i missed it.

 

[Stsword]

Maybe? There's a cult of supervillains who worship Darkseid and his Crime Bible, IIRC. Not sure if he gives them magic superpowers or just technology, though.

Given that the Sphere of the Gods is the source of magic, they probably could grant people magic powers if they wanted to.

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It's not Darkseid's crime bible, it's the testament of Cain.

I doubt that Darkseid would invent a religion that worships someone else, it's easier for me to believe he just co-opted the religion.

There's speculation that a coven of supposedly satanic witches that Batman ran into might be Darkseid worshippers, but I repeat, speculation.

 

[Prince Charon]

After centuries by his side, she's even thinking like him. Right now, he's more her father than Sportsmaster ever was...

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Well, he's also a far better father than Sportsmaster ever was, so there's that (though I'm not sure if 'father' is all that accurate for his relationship to her).

 

[Sockmonkey]

Well, teenage fashion can seem bizarre to an adult. And even if you still look like a teenager, you're an adult...

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She wouldn't look like a teenager though. It's been long enough for her to finish growing up. If she went with dark hair, Artemis could pass as someone else entirely.

I think it might be worthwhile to pay a visit to Themiscira regardless, because the last thing either Artemis would likely want is to having their divine domains starting to fuse together or something.

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Probably a good idea for her to talk to Wonder Woman as well.

 

[Pinklestia]

Ponies next?

Luna will definitely understand.

 

[Darko]

She wouldn't look like a teenager though. It's been long enough for her to finish growing up. If she went with dark hair, Artemis could pass as someone else entirely.
Probably a good idea for her to talk to Wonder Woman as well.

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She may still look like her teenage self, because when Renegade invaded her fortress he said that aside from the white hair she looks exactly like she did.

This could mean her godhood made her stay that age, or that renegade doesn't have a perfect recollection of how she looked when they last saw each other.

 

[WereDragon]

5th May
16:23 GMT -7

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About as expected. Interesting that the sucupires(?) can feel his altered god-state.

The dynamics of The Team are going to be… strained, given half of them will be able to feel that Artemis is a god-queen.

Yeah, he really does need the ponies. He needs to be hit with the Elements after so long as a tyrant. Won't happen because he also needed to grow as a character, and so did Artemis, but he needs that reset.

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What exactly about Equestria makes you think the Elements disaprove of benevolent dictators?

 

[Valint]

Wait, so it's all just been friendship?

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Always has been...

Seriously, Grayven and Artemis as heterosexual platonic lifemates would work for me. He kind of had the same dynamic with Sunset, where I could have seen it going in a romantic direction, but instead went purely in a coworker/partner direction.

I mean, he needs to start building his pantheon, right?

I remember being so mad at the second Chronicles of Narnia book as a kid because these supposed legendary warrior kings/queens with a lifetime of skills and triumphs... just revert back to being useless kids immediately.

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In a similar vein to the other rec above: Slip Ups by Aytheria.

(Also, you obviously mean 'first'. Anyone who tells you to start with The Magician's Nephew is simply wrong, and I'm including Lewis himself there.)

 

[Pez]

I have to ask - why is everybody so all in on ponies? In the entire DCverse, everybody is rooting for Renegade to end up with the pony. I don't get it.

 

[iamnuff]

They also need some therapy, and visiting a world that literary radiates friendship is a good way to get some, as well as letting them go to a place that is a bit less stress inducing than Earth.

Yeah they need to reacquaint themselves, but they may also need a place to go to if it feels a bit too much.

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They don't need therapy, they need to re-familiarise themselves with their homes and families.
Running off to another world won't help, even if it does radiate friendship juice.

I have to ask - why is everybody so all in on ponies? In the entire DCverse, everybody is rooting for Renegade to end up with the pony. I don't get it.

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Lots of us arn't. Personally, I don't like it at all. I feel like the pony's have been nothing but a detriment to the story since they first cropped up,and that Sunset Shimmer could/should have been replaced with a DC native or OC magic user.

The "Magic of harmony to counteract the anti-life" thing is pretty fitting, but i'd have preferred to have Grayven show up, get blasted with it and then immediately leave.
The entire Pony subplot is an incredibly jarring juxtaposition with the rest of the story. Especially with Renegade,

But Zoat likes it this way so i'll keep my peace.
There's no practical value in ragging on it every time it pops up.

In this case, however, 'Friendship magic' is genuinely not the solution to their problems.
Grayven and Artemis need real friendship, which means they need to spend time around their peers and friends to try to reconnect in a familiar environment.

Not leave on another adventure to yet another foreign world, surrounded by strange aliens.

 

[Darko]

They don't need therapy, they need to re-familiarise themselves with their homes and families.
Running off to another world won't help, even if it does radiate friendship juice.
'Friendship magic' won't solve their problems. They need to actually be around their friends.

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Ahh, yeah they may actually need therapy, specifically the kind that helps people reconnect with those they haven't seen in a long time and helps them after they've been gone for a long time and have been in stressful situations.

The type of therapy soldiers, former prisoners and kidnapping victims get.

Reconnecting with friends is necessary, but it wouldn't hurt to have the help of a professional there to make sure all goes well and doesn't go wrong.

And going to Wilson is also a good thing since they may need some place where they can feel comfortable, and them not recognising things from their home is not exactly the most comfortable experience.

They can bring their friends with them to Wilson.

 

[iamnuff]

Ahh, yeah they may actually need therapy, specifically the kind that helps people reconnect with those they haven't seen in a long time and helps them after they've been gone for a long time and have been in stressful situations.

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You don't do that by leaving your friends and home behind and going to another world.
Even taking your friends with you would just put you ALL in an unfamiliar situation.

You return to your previous life by submerging yourself in the familiar. Not by running away to an alien planet.

Also, since when are ponies 'professional help'?
They're not therapists, they're cartoon horses. At best they have magic that make friendship easier, but 'magic' isn't the solution here.
Actually interacting with other human beings is the answer.

 

[Darko]

You don't do that by leaving your friends and home behind and going to another world.
Even taking your friends with you would just put you ALL in an unfamiliar situation.

You return to your previous life by submerging yourself in the familiar. Not by running away to an alien planet.

Also, since when are ponies 'professional help'?
They're not therapists, they're cartoon horses. At best they have magic that make friendship easier, but 'magic' isn't the solution here.
Actually interacting with other human beings is the answer.

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When I said they should go to Wilson I didn't mean they should stay there forever, I meant that if they feel too stressed being back on Earth going to another place, for just a little while, not forever, may just be the thing that can help them.

Submerging themselves into their old lives may not be all that easy and would most likely lead to some bad situations, but slowly reintegrating themselves into their old lives, while having a place to temporarily retreat to if they're too stressed, could greatly help them.

Equestria is also far more peaceful than Earth, barring the occasional villanous plot, but still more tame than most Earth things, so if they want to go some place where they're unlikely to be too stressed out and potentially see some interesting magical things that aren't just fleshy bug things, well Equestria is a good place to do so.

When I said professional help I meant therapists, not some random ponies.

And what's stopping some ponies from being professional therapists?

We've seen pony soldiers, chefs, lawyers etc., so I don't see why some of them can't be therapists.

Also in case you forgot Luna has been in a similar situation as them, being stuck in a place far away from anyone she knew for a long, long time, so she can sympathize and offer some aid to them.

The "Magic of harmony to counteract the anti-life" thing is pretty fitting, but i'd have preferred to have Grayven show up, get blasted with it and then immediately leave.
The entire Pony subplot is an incredibly jarring juxtaposition with the rest of the story. Especially with Renegade,

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One of the reasons the pony thing happened, aside from getting rid of the equation, was to give the renegade some character development.

If you remember renegade promised Luna that he'll try to be a nicer guy, while before that he was mostly an asshole to people aside from his family.

After a while reading about an asshole character can become tiresome and the character is just stale and uninteresting.

It also showed us a new romance for the renegade, one that is very different compared to his other two with Jade and Komand'r.

With both of them he would have been unlikely to change much from how he was due to both of them sharing some of his assholish qualities, Jade not really regretting all the murders she committed and Komand'r basically being a warmonger, but with Luna we get something new, someone that can actually allow us to see a different side to him and further develop his character.

As to why Zoat chose the ponies for this, well one reason is that he's a fan of the franchise, and the other reason is that he may feel that Luna and his renegade are perfect for each other.

It also wouldn't be the first time DC comics has done a crossover with another franchise, this one will just last for a longer time.

 

[Assblaster5000]

It also wouldn't be the first time DC comics has done a crossover with another franchise, this one will just last for a longer time.

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Thanks, now I'm having flash backs to the KFC crossover.

I'm trying to get in the mood for some light eldritch body horror, and now all I want to do is go watch M.U.G.E.N. for a few hours so I can see a clown and a chef fighting to the death.

 

[Darko]

I'm trying to get in the mood for some light eldritch body horror, and now all I want to do is go watch M.U.G.E.N. for a few hours so I can see a clown and a chef fighting to the death.

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This is something that should be on Doom Patrol.

And I hope it one day is.

 

[Agent Orange]

The dynamics of The Team are going to be… strained, given half of them will be able to feel that Artemis is a god-queen.

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She obviously has the seniority (in just about every way by an order of magnitude) now. She'll be their queen bee. Aqualad might as well resign as a team lead

 

[Darko]

Artemis basically has the qualifications to become a League member now.

 

[DbDRAKE]

The "Magic of harmony to counteract the anti-life" thing is pretty fitting, but i'd have preferred to have Grayven show up, get blasted with it and then immediately leave.
The entire Pony subplot is an incredibly jarring juxtaposition with the rest of the story. Especially with Renegade,

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Personally, I like it because of the incredibly jarring juxtaposition.

I like the idea of a "hard man making hard decisions" style dark utilitarian edge-suzerain walking into a set of characters and plots where the lawful/chaotic good solution is actually the best one, as enforced by the universal constants of Friendship and Magic.

It provides a nice contrast, and I like when Ophidian MC and Grayven MC move towards each other on the character number line.

It amuses me that the MC that did the most to make himself unrecognizable is closer to being a normal human than the MC that just looks like a Calvin Kline English dude.

 

[NightmareWarden]

I wonder if Artemis is going to take a trip to New Genesis to help sort herself out. Surely a few of those New Gods spent centuries on foreign worlds without true peers or their preferred technology.

 

[Darko]

I wonder if Artemis is going to take a trip to New Genesis to help sort herself out. Surely a few of those New Gods spent centuries on foreign worlds without true peers or their preferred technology.

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I don't think they have any contacts on New Genesis on the renegade side.

Renegade, Scott and Barda went to Apokalips, but from what I remember they never went to New Genesis and the only time anyone interacted with someone from there was when Renegade briefly teamed up with the Forever People.

Still Scott and Barda may be able to relate to some of that.