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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

26th June 2012
15:27 GMT -5


Jordan smiles incredulously.

"She thought I was you?"
I know, humiliating, isn't it? Evidently the difference is age, nationality or Spectrum colour didn't clue her in. If all the Highborn were this single-minded, it might have been a little easier to mess with their combat plans.

Aeres is currently dressed in prison clothing and bound by metal clamps, Dr. Balewa's magic and the Lasso of Truth, and is giving Batman and Mr J'onzz everything that they want. For some reason it doesn't appear to have occurred to the Justice League to try summoning demons during their fights with the Highborn.

Can't imagine why.
Most of them are from Abrahamic religions where that sort of thing is... not entirely palatable. :rolleyes: And those that aren't have better options. Plus, I doubt many of them have much in the way of the magical skill required, or the willingness.

"According to her, their records name you as Earth's most powerful Lantern. And since as far as she could tell that's the position I hold, I had to be you."

"You know, a few years ago I'd have argued that." He glances away for a moment. "Why don't time travellers know about you? Was it something to do with your fight with Krona?"
Well, that's impressive. Someone actually noticed it. And I see Hal's been checking up on reports.

"It could be? It could be that the future they're coming back from isn't our future any more, with… Something about my arrival being the point of differentiation? Though whether that's because of Krona or because of whatever it was that brought me here in the first place, I don't know."

He nods. "You ever find out what that was?"
One more thing for the increasingly large to-do list, if it isn't already there. Presumably it's falling in priority with each event that comes up.

I shake my head. "No, but I haven't really been looking into it lately. Maybe if Sivana gets pardoned I'll ask him to take a look. It should keep him entertained for a little while."

"Did-?" He takes a sharp breath before giving me his full attention. "Did Batman know about that?"
;) Dude: Batman. Despite his 'cool dad' veneer, he's still the paranoid, slightly cracked detective guy under there. Of course he'd know about Sivana.

"I don't know. I didn't keep in touch with Sivana because Batman asked me to, and other than a report on what happened with the Huntsman I didn't tell him, but that doesn't mean-."

He nods. "Doesn't mean he didn't know." He exhales slowly. "I feel like should be tearing you a new one over that, but it might end up being the best thing that could have happened."
Heh. And it's not like OL hasn't had success reforming other super-criminals before.

"How did the Guardians takes the news about the psions?"

"I was there when Green Man reported in. They didn't sound surprised. Disappointed, maybe."
I wonder if they ever thought about sending in teams of lanterns to help clean Vega up once Larfleeze was removed from the picture. Or were they debating it before this happened? Probably one of those 'talk about it when there's nothing else urgent' topics.

"In the actions of the people of Vega? In the psions? In themselves?"

"I don't know. I'd guess all three." He shakes his head. "I mean, on the face of it, their plan made a lot of sense. The only thing in Vega at the time was Larfleeze. Stick the psions out of the way, keep an eye on them, no one gets hurt. They'd been self-isolating on the Guardians' old homeworld for their entire history. It must have seemed like a safe bet."
Man, even in-universe, they can't keep their historical continuity straight. Then again, when they're the ones writing the history books, I guess they get to choose the offical version.

I frown. "I sort of assumed that the psions came from Maltus."

"I did to. Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but from what the Guardians were saying it didn't sound like that was the case. Was Maltus ever uninhabited?"
There had to be a period when the original Maltusians weren't in residence, wasn't there? After all, the 'Clickers' come from Maltus, right? A few million years away might easily allow another species to evolve.

"Do you know, I haven't asked."

He shrugs. "I used to think that Oa was the Guardians' homeworld." He turns to face the monitor, watching as Aeres struggles and fails to hide information from the Lasso. "What do you think I did?"
Well, you're older and wiser now. You know to not accept the official line at first sight. I bet you could easily overcome the yellow weakness now...

"I'm sorry?"

"What makes them think I'm the greatest? Was.. something supposed to happen that didn't because of you?"
That way lies far too many 'what if's' and 'maybes'... Be who you are, not who you think you want history to record you were.

"I'm wary of the word 'supposed'. It always makes me want to ask 'according to who?'. But if I had to guess; without my input Guy stayed in obnoxious jock mode and didn't improve as much as he has."

Jordan snorts with amusement. "So it's not so much that I was better as everyone else was worse."
That an amusing way to look at it. And a little obnoxious. I'd say, always aim for second place. Why not first? Because as the Disc's second-greatest lover, Casanunda, said: second place works harder.

"You might have been worse, too. If it wasn't for Guy, would you have gone for the M'eelam Na'aquall?"

"Not for a while. It's weird; Guy's almost tolerable now. And I'm not sure whether that's because he's changed or because I have."
No hard feelings because he managed to Host Ion? That's a pretty big bump to his rep in the Corps. No wondering if you could have managed it, or have been found wanting?

"I think it's mostly him."

Jordan smiles faintly. "Yeah, probably. But… I've changed too. I'm less… I don't need to obsess over a construct to keep it strong. And I don't forget about things that aren't right in front of me any more."
Too bad your ring's full of bobblehead malware, you could have it assist you on that front. Good to know you're not so scatterbrained, though.

"How is Ms. Ferris?"

"How's Mz. Cheshire?"
Trying to embarrass OL by turning it around on him? You fool. You know OL has no shame. :D

"Doing well, thanks for asking. She's mostly doing counter-intelligence work, and since she's up against the Reach she's doing a lot of good."

"Are the two of you actually spending any time together-?"
Getting a little bit inquisitive there, Hal? :p What a gentleman and a lady get up to in private is their business.

"Yes." I roll my eyes. "Now that her training and orientation are over, yes, we are. I didn't want to make her appointment look cronyistic so I gave her space to find her feet. But now she's got a few successes under her belt that's not an issue."

His eyes dip, and he looks a little sad. "That's… Not something I ever managed to make work. I used to think I had it hard when the Corps could call me away at a moment's notice, but you have Cheshire… How often do you see her?"
While it may not seem like we see her often, we've got to keep in mind, we aren't seeing every minute of every day of OL's life. There's got to be some stuff happening offscreen...

"Every few days. No now, obviously, not if one of us is on a mission, and she lives in a fortified barracks and can't visit me." I shrug. "It's not great, but we manage." I frown. "It wasn't a secret identity thing, was it? I thought that Ms Ferris and her father knew?"

"Not… Right at the start. And that was a big deal. I was eating crow for…" He shifts awkwardly. "Ah, a while. And it didn't help that she knew, because I still wasn't around. As.. her boyfriend, and… One of her employees. She needs a boyfriend and a test pilot she could rely on to be there. And I… Wasn't."
Like the movie said: "I've known you my whole life! I've seen you NAKED! You don't think I wouldn't recognize you because I can't see your cheekbones?!" Honestly, The only reason Green lanterns even have masks are the old Superhero tropes about secret identities, isn't it?

Heh. To be fair, they had a good point there. It's a good idea to live by, and a lot harder these days with so many things competing for our time. I doubt it would be any easier for guys like Hal.

"No. Star Trek: Generations. If it was Orange Lantern Corps philosophy, it would be: 'if you want something enough'." If frown. "That's a point. I never asked: after Legion was defeated, why did you keep your ring?"

He jerks his head in my direction, frowning.
Legion... That would be the foe Hal was recruited by Abin Sur to fight, yes? And that was only because he was the closest valid candidate... That's honestly a good question. If you knew the job was that dangerous, why keep doing it? The thrill? The 'duty'? Because no-one else could?

"If it was a second job that kept you away from your girlfriend, your job and flying planes… What made you stay on?"

That prompts a slow exhalation, and his gaze returning to the screen.
It's to do with why he's such a good Green Lantern, isn't it? That determination... That stubbornness that makes him so strong...

"I don't quit." A quiet snort. "Even when I should. If it was a choice between being a pilot or a Lantern…" He raises his right hand slightly, clenching his fist. "You know what I picked. But I didn't see it as a choice, not until Carol made it one. I just thought that if I worked a bit harder I could have it all. And… After I got fired and dumped, it was the only thing I had left. If I had my time again, I'd have come clean with Carol right at the start, quit Ferris Air as soon as we could find someone to take the job. That could have worked. Wouldn't have been easy…"
Plus, the ability to fly without a plane? What pilot hasn't dreamed of that? The movie made strange choices, but Hal's joy at flying with the ring? That's one thing it got right.

I nod. "No chance of patching things up now?"

That prompts a smile. "I don't think my current girlfriend would like that too much."
...What. Wait, are we talking about that pilot, callsign 'Cowgirl', from the post-Infinite crisis stories or someone else? :confused: It better not be Arisia, that's wrong on way too many levels.



"But at least Carol and I are friends again. I missed talking to her."
Local Carol, of course. I doubt Earth-14's Dame Carol wouldn't have any history with him, besides her version (maybe?) being Power Ring Green.

"Ah, who's-?"

"Batman to Lanterns. Prepare to move out."
Ah, man! Put that on the to-do list, OL: Find out who Hal's dating now. Just for the sake of heading off future trouble?

Heh. Might be one of the longest one-on-one scenes we've seen between Hal and OL in a long time. It's usually Guy doing the Green-Orange buddy-buddy thing. And no comment on what the Guardians had to say about the Sheeda invasion? Beyond the presumed 'It's an Internal matter, none of our concern?' :rolleyes: I guess Hal was visiting on break from honour Guarding...
 
I wonder if they ever thought about sending in teams of lanterns to help clean Vega up once Larfleeze was removed from the picture. Or were they debating it before this happened? Probably one of those 'talk about it when there's nothing else urgent' topics.

After the Psions were wiped out and Paul called Green Man he told him that the Psions were dead and the treaty was null, so this could mean the Guardians had a deal with the Psions to leave them alone.

There had to be a period when the original Maltusians weren't in residence, wasn't there? After all, the 'Clickers' come from Maltus, right? A few million years away might easily allow another species to evolve.

The Clickers came from another planet.

The Controllers were trying to scout for some planetoids and they came across the Clickers, who they then helped in exchange for service, and now a lot of them live on Maltus, but they didn't evolve there.

The Guardians could have left Maltus then went to the Psions homeworld, which they then made their homeworld and later on moved to Oa.

Trying to embarrass OL by turning it around on him? You fool. You know OL has no shame. :D

In the voice of TTS Rogal:

"This is accurate"

Local Carol, of course. I doubt Earth-14's Dame Carol wouldn't have any history with him, besides her version (maybe?) being Power Ring Green.

If she does have any history it's most likely trying to put him in jail.
 
Was it something to do with your fight with Krona?"

"It could be? It could be that the future they're coming back from isn't our future any more, with… Something about my arrival being the point of differentiation?

Well so much from being forevermore safe from Sheeda if you just beat this Harvest.

"I don't think my current girlfriend would like that too much."

It's Dame Carol isn't it? I mean who else could it b- oh gods! Arisia! Not again!


"She has both reach and flexibility."

There's got to be some stuff happening offscreen...

The problem isn't that some stuff is happening offscreen it's that most stuff regarding a supposedly loving relationship is happening offscreen. And on rare occasion it gets some screen time some of us are left with an uncomfortable feeling that his chemistry with Jade is somehow less than with most of the other characters or hell even random encounters in some cases.

I think this is a pure 'Strangled by the Red String' trope. Mr Zoat already decided who the LI was going to be, fumbled the transition from 'friend' to 'girlfriend' and then put her on a bus to Maltus so that more interesting plotlines could happen. And now he makes it worse by lampshading it with even other characters asking the MC about it.

It's especially bizarre because he can write a more nuanced relationship. He has. Just not with Paragon Jade.
 
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There had to be a period when the original Maltusians weren't in residence, wasn't there? After all, the 'Clickers' come from Maltus, right? A few million years away might easily allow another species to evolve.
No, the clickers don't come from Maltus. A lot of them moved there as part of their deal with the Controllers, but they aren't native.
And no comment on what the Guardians had to say about the Sheeda invasion? Beyond the presumed 'It's an Internal matter, none of our concern?' :rolleyes: I guess Hal was visiting on break from honour Guarding...
At this point, it's more: "You've got three regular Lanterns and two Honour Guard Lanterns, and by your own admission the worst of the fighting is over. Be reasonable, Lantern Jordan. We have finite resources."
...

Fuck you, Mr Zoat.

Ahem. Sorry about that, but that was annoying as hell.
What, the alarm? Don't click on links in class when your speakers are on.
 
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By the way is 'Dame Carol' Carol Ferris or does she just happen to share a name with the local ex-Star Sapphire?
 
What, the alarm? Don't click on links in class when your speakers are on.
I was at home, it was mildly annoying, and I never use speakers if possible. It was more the bait and switch that got me. I expected something about who Hal's new girlfriend was. Maybe something about Dame Ferris from Earth -14.

I just hope it isn't Arisia.
 
I was at home, it was mildly annoying,

I think it was Paul's 'Jailbait Alarm'. He turned it on when Zatanna's crush became obvious even to him and simply never got around to turning it off.

Hal and Arisia unintentionally set it off.

He also most likely put Kon and M'gann on ignore list otherwise it would be going off every time he visited the Mountain.
 
from Universe -14, home of the (Crime) Syndicate.

Oh I know where she's from I was just wondering if it was a direct counterpart or merely a person with a same first name filling in a reverse Star Sapphire role.

Source of my confusion is the 'Dame' part. I don't think US -14 is that different to errr... knight (?) their people.
 
Oh I know where she's from I was just wondering if it was a direct counterpart or merely a person with a same first name filling in a reverse Star Sapphire role.

Source of my confusion is the 'Dame' part. I don't think US -14 is that different to errr... knight (?) their people.
The Star Sapphires of that Universe seem to all be Knight-Errants, so that just might be what they call themselves. Or maybe it's their rank instead of Sector Lantern, so a trainee might be called Squire (Insert Name).
 
Speaking of dating and jailbaits: Is Zatanna back on the Team? What with OL being officially back an' all?

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I know things got a bit awkward after the whole 'you're twice my age!' revelation but it didn't seem to dishearten her all that much. I guess she wasn't a bad choice for a Star Sapphirehood after all :D
 
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Speaking of dating and jailbaits: Is Zatanna back on the Team? What with OL being officially back an' all?

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I know things got a bit awkward after the whole 'you're twice my age!' revelation but it didn't seem to dishearten her all that much. I guess she wasn't a bad choice for a Star Sapphirehood after all :D
Both Zatanna Zatara and Giovanni Zatara are back on their respective teams.
 
For some reason it doesn't appear to have occurred to the Justice League to try summoning demons during their fights with the Highborn.

Can't imagine why.

Another reason, aside from the loss of soul thing, could be that the summons may not be all that useful.

It wouldn't be the first time a demon summoning didn't work out.

Just look at this:

 
When did Ghi'ata show up in the Paragon timeline? Was she also hanging around Carol all day? I may be wrong, but I think it was the Renegade timeline where she was rooting for Carol and Hal to get back together, or did the Paragon version do that too?
I've also forgotten what happened to Earth -16 Carol; did she go back to her universe?
 
When did Ghi'ata show up in the Paragon timeline? Was she also hanging around Carol all day? I may be wrong, but I think it was the Renegade timeline where she was rooting for Carol and Hal to get back together, or did the Paragon version do that too?

I've also forgotten what happened to Earth -16 Carol; did she go back to her universe?
I don't know. Carol -14 is still around, though. She's teh one who brought Ghia'ta to Earth.
 
Another reason, aside from the loss of soul thing, could be that the summons may not be all that useful.

It wouldn't be the first time a demon summoning didn't work out.

In this general vein, it could be cool to see Wonder Woman invoking Greek gods or spirits for assistance; she probably has the capacity for magical practice, and honestly at age 80 she should have picked up at least some basic cantrips, and her nascent divinity should make Greco-Roman theurgy somewhat easier. Both Troia and Circe have done it to varying degrees, or discussed doing so. Ares might not be a fan but I'm sure one of Diana's divine patrons has some martial forces that would love a good battle (especially if Aphrodite has some of her original warlike characteristics and epithets). Calling upon Artemis's Hunters would be quite on-brand, though perhaps they'd only be suitable when fighting actual beasts of some kind.

Speaking of, Paragon implied that the goddesses' blessings were possibly meant to restrict Diana's divine strength and growth, which she basically dismissed as speculation. That's fair enough, but is there any actual truth to that guess (and will we ever see that come up again?) Is Diana going to confront the gods at any point? Those who've interacted with Paragon have largely made themselves functional and beneficial to modern society, but as Zeus and Apollo have shown, there's still a lot of assholes around.
 
Thank you for making me think about the blackhole gun that reloads with time travel. It's been too long since I did that.

or the Ark mechanicus run by an unrestricted "Silicia Animus" that's miraculously avoided undergoing the digital version of murderrapekill at the hands of its techno-neobarb crew by mindwiping everyone who finds out for longer then the imperium has been a thing-Aparrently there's literally never been a single investigation into all of the high ranking magi -mysteriously- loosing time on their implant logs in a manner that should set off screaming klaxon's in the mind of someone with a 40th MILlENIUM education in cybersecurity
(or the paranoia born from the mechanicum civil war- for fucks sake, the author clearly didn't thing about all the maintance/yard personnel/non noosphere-enabled servitors that would log equipment/weaponry not in the manifest/visible to the crew Given how old/worn out said ship has to be, and the mantainance demands...)let alone modern common sense >.<
 
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