With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

Darko · Jan 12, 2021

Mastigos2 said:
Yeah, come to think of it, the way Paul basically surgically altered his desire network would look weird to a telepath

One telepath thought his mind was beautiful.

Ardy · Jan 12, 2021

Darko said:
One telepath thought his mind was beautiful.

But he was an underage boy so that doesn't count

DrThoth · Jan 12, 2021

cereal_lurker said:
It does, but I don't think this exists. I remember the reference and I think it was one of Zoat's short responses to one of the "what would happen if..." questions... which in this case I think was "what would happen if the SI went back in time/Wonder Woman knew the full extent of Germany's warcrimes."

Yes, this was the response I was thinking of; I don't remember the exact length.

Stsword · Jan 12, 2021

Well for those who thought that was anticlimatic the Computer Tyrants/Brainiac downloaded themselves into Mar Starr/Pulsar Stargrave.

A body with pseudo-Kryptonian powers: solar powered energy blasts, superhuman strength, durability, and flight.

And of course the level 12 intellect they came with.

Mr Zoat · Jan 12, 2021

DrThoth said:
I agree it seems a bit fast; I was expecting this whole thing to be a reason to tie up a bunch of characters for a few episodes, especially Captain Comet, who seems to be so great that I'm wondering how the Citadelians and Psions even captured him (did his powers grow over time during his captivity?).

They knew he was coming and so built dedicated anti-telepath weapons.

Paragon should ask him to deal with the Light, it shouldn't take too long.

Has Adam Blake fully recovered in the Renegade timeline?

No. His injuries were a good deal worse, and while Cranius did his best he's not a miracle worker. His telekinesis is about the same or a little better, but his telepathy is noticeably worse and he still has headaches.

Chaoswind said:
Paul took the Martians to Colu first, even though he said he would take them to earth first to get them used to alien thoughs in preparation for their mission in Colu...

No. He's taking them to Earth to get used to aliens in preparation for their work with L.E.G.I.O.N.

So they didn't have to get used to alien minds because Adam Blake used them as extra muscle as he took complete control of their mind sphere (wouldn't the Martians react badly to that? Especially the white ones) to get the power he needed to mind kill the computer tyrants.

So NOW Paul is going to take the white Martians to earth?

Yes.

Wouldn't having them in Colu where they would be regarded as heroes be a better experience for them in order to get them used to other ways of thinking?

Maybe, but that's not where the L.E.G.I.O.N. fleet is. Also, having everyone like you isn't a particularly good way to prepare for a place where people are generally indifferent to you.

Also kinda wondering how they feel after Adam acted as mind overseer.

Indifferent. He's better than a Red, but that sort of link up is a little unnerving if you've never experienced it before.

DrThoth said:
I only remember the Paragon future League/Team lists so that's interesting. I think with the appearance of Arisia and Ghi'ata that there aren't any more future members that we know of, but it's hard to keep up.

Telling me...

Tangentially I'm reminded of that alternate history League list where Wonder Woman basically wins World War 2 with the Spear of Destiny or something, but I'm not sure if that's a storyline that was ever or still is planned to be part of the story; does someone have the link to the segment where Zoat gave an outline? At this point I forget what forum it was even on.

Here it is. She didn't win the war, but she killed their greatest superhumans and turned the Greece campaign into a horrible meat blender. I may have written more about it, but I can't find it.

Darko said:
Hey Zoat is Adam Blake a League member in the renegade side?

If not then will he become one in the future of this story?

He's joined, though I don't think it's been explicitly reference outside of the list because the Renegade doesn't really care.

This sounds interesting.

Also interested in a link to this, assuming it exists.

By your command.

DrThoth · Jan 12, 2021

Has the League/just Shade caught Lady Eve yet? In the Renegade timeline, I mean.

Darko · Jan 12, 2021

DrThoth said:
Has the League/just Shade caught Lady Eve yet? In the Renegade timeline, I mean.

I remember Swift saying that he got most of her grunts, but that she was crafty and was managing to hide.

DrThoth · Jan 12, 2021

Mr Zoat said:
Here it is. She didn't win the war, but she killed their greatest superhumans and turned the Greece campaign into a horrible meat blender. I may have written more about it, but I can't find it.

Here's a later post you wrote on the subject from April 2018.

I don't remember you ever giving detail on the fight between Wonder Woman and the Krieger brothers in Athens which ended with her killing them with the Spear of Destiny, but I assume Wolf was busy with the territory control ritual and she interrupted it, because otherwise she would have been caught in its effect? Or did Wolf successfully complete the ritual and her divine nature help her resist it enough to get the Spear and kill them? Of course this was years ago so I understand if you forgot the details (if you ever had them fleshed out in the first place).

Mr Zoat · Jan 12, 2021

DrThoth said:
Here's a later post you wrote on the subject from April 2018. I don't remember you ever giving detail on the fight between Wonder Woman and the Krieger brothers in Athens which ended with her killing them with the Spear of Destiny, but I assume Wolf was busy with the territory control ritual and she interrupted it, because otherwise she would have been caught in its effect? Or did Wolf successfully complete the ritual and her divine nature help her resist it enough to get the Spear and kill them? Of course this was years ago so I understand if you forgot the details (if you ever had them fleshed out in the first place).

Thank you for finding that.

The ritual needs to be performed in the capital. She could resist his lesser magics but would be every bit as vulnerable to the Spear as everyone else.

DrThoth · Jan 12, 2021

Mr Zoat said:
Thank you for finding that.

The ritual needs to be performed in the capital. She could resist his lesser magics but would be every bit as vulnerable to the Spear as everyone else.

It probably won't happen but I'd have liked to see that fight scene play out.

Your segment noted that Captain Nazi was stronger than Diana (who at that point was around 16, based on information from the wiki that should still be canon for this alternate timeline Diana, I think) but she was more skilled/experienced in super-strength combat. Have Diana's powers grown in strength as time passes compared to her teenage self or does she just gain more experience and skill?

Thinking of Captain Nazi's role as an embodiment of Germany also makes me wonder about trying to find the national personifications of other countries. I know Paragon has no interest in Uncle Sam but it could be useful information to know.

Chaoswind · Jan 12, 2021

DrThoth said:
It probably won't happen but I'd have liked to see that fight scene play out.

Your segment noted that Captain Nazi was stronger than Diana (who at that point was around 16, based on information from the wiki that should still be canon for this alternate timeline Diana, I think) but she was more skilled/experienced in super-strength combat. Have Diana's powers grown in strength as time passes compared to her teenage self or does she just gain more experience and skill?

Thinking of Captain Nazi's role as an embodiment of Germany also makes me wonder about trying to find the national personifications of other countries. I know Paragon has no interest in Uncle Sam but it could be useful information to know.

The director is implied to be the current incarnation of Russia... Severe, paranoid, trying to do what is best for his people.

Then again I thought the incarnation of Russia was supposed to be MOTHER RUSSIA, but that is the implication I got from Paragon using his Empath vision on the director.

Darko · Jan 12, 2021

Chaoswind said:
The director is implied to be the current incarnation of Russia... Severe, paranoid, trying to do what is best for his people.

Then again I thought the incarnation of Russia was supposed to be MOTHER RUSSIA, but that is the implication I got from Paragon using his Empath vision on the director.

I think the director is just a Dannered human.

DrThoth · Jan 12, 2021

Chaoswind said:
The director is implied to be the current incarnation of Russia... Severe, paranoid, trying to do what is best for his people.

Then again I thought the incarnation of Russia was supposed to be MOTHER RUSSIA, but that is the implication I got from Paragon using his Empath vision on the director.

I'll have to reread the chapters where he appears again at some point then.

Darko said:
I think the director is just a Dannered human.

I don't remember Paragon ever scanning him with the ring, did he?

Darko · Jan 12, 2021

DrThoth said:
I'll have to reread the chapters where he appears again at some point then.

I don't remember Paragon ever scanning him with the ring, did he?

I think he tried empathy on him, saw some gulags and asked him if he was a Danner.

Chaoswind · Jan 12, 2021

Darko said:
I think he tried empathy on him, saw some gulags and asked him if he was a Danner.

Proletariat was confirmed to be a Danner enhanced human, but the director is implied to be something else.

Also its implied by the director a few more Danner enhanced humans exist in Russia, (Hammer and Sickle Segway), but the implication I got was that the director was something else.

Laundromat2.0 · Jan 13, 2021

Martians will have such a skewed understanding of humanity starting out. I mean, intellectually they must know that the average human is pitifully weak compared to the average Martian. But their actual experience is that humans are: 1. Paul, who's so far outside the average human's power level that he might as well be a god, and 2. Adam Blake, a human telepath and telekine of such phenomenal power that only the greatest of Martian heroes can probably really compare.

It's so typical of humanity in dc. The average martian could annihilate the average human. But the greatest martian telepaths would probably stand back in awe, or at the very least astonishment, at the greatest human telepaths.

Humanity in a nutshell. The average is pretty mediocre compared to galactic standards, but at the tail end of the bell curve, the greatest humans are as powerful as some of the top tier of the top tier in the entire universe. The scaling, the sheer variance in human abilities, just makes no sense compared to any other planet.

WhiteNoise · Jan 13, 2021

Mr Zoat said:
I think that's okay. Second opinions?

It's fine; keep the semicolon.

Darko · Jan 13, 2021

To anyone that's interested, Yu Gi Oh Abridged is back with a new episode.

Pegasus is pink and Duke has changed in a fundamental way.

Cuchulin · Jan 13, 2021

Darko said:
To anyone that's interested, Yu Gi Oh Abridged is back with a new episode.

Pegasus is pink and Duke has changed in a fundamental way.

*Banishes Darko to the Shadow realm.*

Darko · Jan 13, 2021

Cuchulin said:
*Banishes Darko to the Shadow realm.*

Damn you Bakura.

Mr Zoat · Jan 13, 2021

DrThoth said:
Your segment noted that Captain Nazi was stronger than Diana (who at that point was around 16, based on information from the wiki that should still be canon for this alternate timeline Diana, I think) but she was more skilled/experienced in super-strength combat. Have Diana's powers grown in strength as time passes compared to her teenage self or does she just gain more experience and skill?

Diana now is stronger than she was as a teenager. Queen Diana would be a lot stronger, thanks to the Spear. Albrecht was weaker at the time of his death than he had been at Nazi Germany's height.

Mr Zoat · Jan 13, 2021

14th September 2010
21:23 GMT -5

"How come you're not more pissed off about this?"

Artemis has been fuming since Max's brilliant virtual reality training simulator nearly killed us all. Which is a pretty reasonable thing to be angry about. But really.

"Because I saw it coming."

"What?! You knew-?!"

I shrug. "I've watched Star Trek. And X-Men. I knew perfectly well that a machine like that was going to try and kill anyone who used it."

We're perched on a loading crane on the Gotham docks, patiently waiting for a shipment of cocaine coming in from Columbia. Normally Batman would just pass this sort of information on to the police, but a new syndicate has been getting its hands on high-end plasma weapons and he told us that he's concerned that they wouldn't be able to handle it without massive collateral damage.

"That…" Her head tilts to the right, her eyes narrowing. "What?"

"Star Trek? You know, the science fiction series? With the holograms that keep going wrong and trying to kill the crew?"

She huffs, a little of the tension leaving her frame.

"Seriously? You saw it in some TV show and that's how you knew?"

"It's a reasonable frame of reference."

"And you didn't say anything? To the rest of us, to Batman, to that Lord guy?"

"What do you think I should have said, 'this machine will try and kill us, I saw it on TV'?" She appears to grudgingly accept that. "Besides, that was a good lesson, too."

Her mouth twitches, trying hard not to form a sneer. "How exactly was the Justice League nearly getting us all killed a good lesson?"

"It teaches us to rely on our own skills. That even the best intentioned have bad days and make idiotic decisions sometimes."

"I… Guess…"

"And -objectively speaking- losing us hurts the Earth less than losing League members."

"E-h."

"What? Do you think I'm wrong?"

"I just-. I knew League training would be hard. I just thought they'd be different to-. Ah, better planned." She glances at me to see if I caught that slip. As if anyone wouldn't have. "You know? Not try and kill us."

"If people trying to kill you bothers you, you're in the wrong line of work." No, this isn't a helpful line of discussion. Having her moderate her enthusiasm for the League is only useful up to a point, and I think I've got as far as I can without bringing down her mood too much and creating a negative association. "And speaking of work, I'm thinking of changing my costume. I'd like to know what you think."

She looks mildly unimpressed. "Is that supposed to be an excuse to take your clothes off?"

"No." I frown. "You've seen me switch into costume by ring before."

"Okay." She shrugs, leaning back against the control cabin. "Sure."

I smile. "Thank you."

I raise my left hand, orange light flares and-.

"What's-?" She spots it, and huffs. "Really?"

I grin. "What?"

She thrusts her right hand at my newly exposed midriff. "I thought you said it wasn't an excuse to get naked!?"

"Are you naked?"

She jerks her head away, folding her arms across her breasts. I take a moment to flex and undulate my abdominal muscles.

"And I'm mostly protected by the ring anyway. I've never liked the idea that female superheroes have to go around in skimpy costumes while the men are fully covered, so B'wana Beast and I are going to work towards true sexual equality, where men are not afraid of their own-."

"Okay! Great costume!" She throws up both hands in an exasperated gesture. "Now shut up and change back!"

Her eyes keep dipping uncontrollably to where my pale skin is outlined by the grey stab resistant material of my trousers and Flash Gordon-inspired halter top, pupils and facial capillaries... Yes, good.

"I don't know, I mean I wouldn't want you to feel-."

"If I agree to switch costume tomorrow, will you switch back right now?"

I make a show of considering it for a few moments, flexing my abdominals once more now that she's actually looking. "Oh, alright. If you insist."

Ah, full armour. Too hot for summer without the help of a power ring, but just the thing for the autumn.

"Great. Thanks."

She activates her night vision visor and checks the docks once more. I have a scan, but fail to detect anything of note. Of course, dealing with America's drug problem can't be done by just stopping the occasional shipment; where there is demand supply will follow. If Batman actually wanted us to achieve anything significant he'd send us to Columbia with some sort of bio-engineered super crop. Kill all the paramilitaries and give the farmers something profitable and low-risk to grow.

But I don't actually care about solving the problem, and… I don't have the resources that it would actually take. Turning a few people into constructs isn't going to give me the political control I'd need, I'm not a good enough covert killer to cover my tracks and-.

"What… Is this?"

I try following her line of sight.

"A.. discarded coil of chains..?"

"No. You." She turns back to me. "What you're doing. The flowers-"

Which she liked at first, much as she denied it. And then started finding creepy. Still working on reliably identifying the cut off.

"-and the… Stripping, and-."

"I thought you agreed it wasn't stripping if you were wearing the same-?"

"Fine, not… Stripping. Just-."

"I find you admirable and physically attractive and want to date you. I.. don't.. see what's so hard to understand."

"'Admirable'."

"Sure. I didn't do anything of note with my life until someone dropped a power ring in my lap. And even then, I stuck with other superheroes and mostly did what I was told. You decided to go out there with a bow and arrow on your own recognisance. I admire that 'go get'em' attitude."

She takes a deep breath.

"If I agree to go on a date with you, will you knock if off for a week?"

"Will this date happen within that week?"

"No. The date's what you get if you make it to the end of the week."

"Agreed." I extend my right hand. "Honoured team mate in whom I have no carnal interest at all."

She takes it, shakes it and then goes back to watching the coast. Hm. She's agreed in principle and now she's just arguing over the price. But that's perfectly fine. Now that I don't have to worry about… Anything, getting what I want is just a matter of patience and planning.

Darko · Jan 13, 2021

Forgot Threadmark..

Darko · Jan 13, 2021

Mr Zoat said:
She appears to grudging accept that

'grudgingly'

Mr Zoat said:
without bring down her mood

'bringing down'

Mr Zoat said:
are going to work towards true sexual equality,

Yeah, I don't think that slavery is equality.

Mr Zoat said:
Yes, good.

Creep.

Mr Zoat said:
And then started finding creepy

She has good judgement.

Mr Zoat said:
Still working on reliably identifying the cut off.

Not sure you'll manage it.

Mr Zoat said:
"Honoured team mate in whom I have no carnal interest at all."

Ahh, lying already.

frommerman · Jan 13, 2021

You know, he makes good points about sexism in depictions of female characters. If only we didn't already know he becomes a ravening, malevolent, rape monster.

Chojin Patriarch · Jan 13, 2021

Mr Zoat said:
14th September 2010
21:23 GMT -5

"How come you're not more pissed off about this?"

Ah, more Tangseid. Well, let's get it over with...

Artemis has been fuming since Max's brilliant virtual reality training simulator nearly killed us all. Which is a pretty reasonable thing to be angry about. But really.

"Because I saw it coming."

'Max' as in Maxwell Lord or 'Max' as in Max Mercury? Those are the only two Maxes I can think of. And at least Tangseid was genre-savvy enough to know things would go wrong... No doubt he allowed them to anyway, because then he could say 'I told you so.'

"What?! You knew-?!"

I shrug. "I've watched Star Trek. And X-Men. I knew perfectly well that a machine like that was going to try and kill anyone who used it."

Star Trek Holodecks and the X-men's Danger Room, basically the same thing: Chamber with 'hard holographic projections', despite none of those words meaning what they actually do with it...

We're perched on a loading crane on the Gotham docks, patiently waiting for a shipment of cocaine coming in from Columbia. Normally Batman would just pass this sort of information onto the police, but a new syndicate has been getting its hands on high-end plasma weapons and he told us that he's concerned that they wouldn't be able to handle it without massive collateral damage.

"That…" Head her tilts to the right, her eyes narrowing. "What?"

Heh, a nice easy job for a Lantern. I guess Artemis can watch, if the plasmaguns come out...

"Star Trek? You know, the science fiction series? With the holograms that keep going wrong and trying to kill the crew?"

She huffs, a little of the tension leaving her frame.

I mean, does 'Star Trek' even exist in the DC Universes? Or is there a suspiciously similar counterpart, like 'Galaxy Trip'?

Whose ship resembles two cigars sticking out of a frisbee, and features an over-dramatic captain, emotionless (except when dramatically appropriate!) alien science officer and a grouchy doctor?

"Seriously? You saw it in some TV show and that's how you knew?"

"It's a reasonable frame of reference."

Hey, if your life had a tendency to feature easily visible tropes, you'd catch on to them quickly too.

"And you didn't say anything? To the rest of us, to Batman, to that Lord guy?"

"What you think I should have said, 'this machine will try and kill us, I saw it on TV'?" She appears to grudging accept that. "Besides, that was a good lesson, too."

Ah, it was Maxwell Lord. No wonder it went ploin-shaped. And I bet the lesson learned was 'never trust unfamiliar tech'?

Her mouth twitches, trying hard not to form a sneer. "How exactly was the Justice League nearly getting us all killed a good lesson?"

"It teaches us to rely on our own skills. That even the best intentioned have bad days and make idiotic decisions sometimes."

And given that we know where he ends up, it makes this all the more telling that he'd up and say it.

"I… Guess…"

"And -objectively speaking- losing us hurts the Earth less than losing League members."

Well, no mental filter. He has no reason to soothe her feelings, after all. Unless you count wanting to get his leg over...

"E-h."

"What? Do you think I'm wrong?"

"I just-. I knew League training would be hard. I just thought they'd be different to-. Ah, better planned." She glances at me to see if I caught that slip. As if anyone wouldn't have. "You know? Not try and kill us."

I bet he knows exactly who her family members are. After all, it's one quick ring scan and DNA comparison away. The question is how nasty the use he puts it to will be...

"If people trying to kill you bothers you, you're in the wrong line of work." No, this isn't a helpful line of discussion. Having her moderate her enthusiasm for the League is only useful up to a point, and I think I've got as far as I can without bring down her mood too much and creating a negative association. "And speaking of work, I'm thinking of changing my costume. I'd like to know what you think."

She looks mildly unimpressed. "Is that supposed to be an excuse to take your clothes off?"

Of course it is? Seriously, if you had the physique the ring gave him, wouldn't you want to show it off as often as possible?

"No." I frown. "You've seen me switch into costume by ring before."

"Okay." She shrugs, leaning back against the control cabin. "Sure."

I see she has no objection to eating the eye candy, even if she's not comfortable with his.. aggressiveness.

I smile. "Thank you."

I raise my left hand, orange light flares and-.

So, how skimpy is it? Cosmic Boy as drawn by Neal Adams tier? For reference, that was basically a skin-tight space suit that resembled trunks, corset, opera gloves and high boots.... On a muscular male body. Behold!

"What's-?" She spots it, and huffs. "Really?"

I grin. "What?"

Oh, god, how bad is it?

She thrusts her right hand at my newly exposed midriff. "I thought you said it wasn't an excuse to get naked!?"

"Are you naked?"

Fair for the Goose, fair for the Gander, Artemis.

She jerks her head away, folding her arms across her breasts. I take a moment to flex and undulate my abdominal muscles.

"And I'm mostly protected by the ring anyway. I've never liked the idea that female superheroes have to go around in skimpy costumes while the men are fully covered, so B'wana Beast and I are going to work towards true sexual equality, where men are not afraid of their own-."

Well, he does have an excuse, basically being able to become incredibly tough. And more than a little crazy.

"Okay! Great costume!" She throws up both hands in an exasperated gesture. "Now shut up and change back!"

Her eyes keep dipping uncontrollably to where my pale skin is outlined by the grey stab resistant material of my trousers and Flash Gordon-inspired halter top, pupils and facial capillaries... Yes, good.

UGh, so 90's... I much prefer the Filmation 80's version, which rotoscoped model ships for their flight scenes. Good stuff. What isn't good is that skeevy level of analysis of her arousal...

"I don't know, I mean I wouldn't want you to feel-."

"If I agree to switch costume tomorrow, will you switch back right now?"

Hey, I'm sure he'd modify your costume right now, if you didn't mind asking... Oh, wait.

I make a show of considering it for a few moments, flexing my abdominals once more now that she's actually looking. "Oh, alright. If you insist."

Ah, full armour. Too hot for summer without the help of a power ring, but just the thing for the autumn.

"Great. Thanks."

One thing Paragon OL never seems to think about. Usually because he's casually running his environmental field anyway.

She activates her night vision visor and checks the docks once more. I have a scan, but fail to detect anything of note. Of course, dealing with America's drug problem can't be done by just stopping the occasional shipment; where there is demand supply will follow. If Batman actually wanted us to achieve anything significant he'd send us to Columbia with some sort of bio-engineered super crop. Kill all the paramilitaries and give the farmers something profitable and low-risk to grow.

And there's the OL logic we all know. Fix the cause, not the symptom. Violently if need be...

But I don't actually care about solving the problem, and… I don't have the resources that it would actually take. Turning a few people into constructs isn't going to give me the political control I'd need, I'm not a good enough covert killer to cover my tracks and-.

"What… Is this?"

At least he's smart enough to realise he can't go in heavy, nor would it actually fix things.

I try following her line of sight.

"A.. discarded coil of chains..?"

Still a bit of that OL obliviousness...

"No. You." She turns back to me. "What you're doing. The flowers-"

Which she liked at first, much as she denied it. And then started finding creepy. Still working on reliably identifying the cut off.

"-and the… Stripping, and-."

She does realise he likes her, yes? Or is it her upbringing making her unable to see it that way?

"I thought you agreed it wasn't stripping if you were wearing the same-?"

"Fine, not… Stripping. Just-."

Cheeky. And this just keeps getting creepier...

"I find you admirable and physically attractive and want to date you. I.. don't.. see what's so hard to understand."

"'Admirable'."

Still feeling that 'what's your angle' instinct she's had drummed into her, huh?

"Sure. I didn't do anything of note with my life until someone dropped a power ring in my lap. And even then, I stuck with other superheroes and mostly did what I was told. You decided to go out there with a bow and arrow on your own recognisance. I admire that 'go get'em' attitude."

She takes a deep breath.

"If I agree to go on a date with you, will you knock if off for a week?"

Hoo boy... There's coming on strong, and then there's this...

"Will this date happen within that week?"

"No. The date's what you get if you make it to the end of the week."

I'd be concerned, but... She is a teenager. She doesn't have the life experience, especially with skeevy guys like Tangseid is being, to realise what he's pulling.

"Agreed." I extend my right hand. "Honoured team mate in whom I have no carnal interest at all."

Liiieeeees!

She takes it, shakes it and then goes back to watching the coast. Hm. She's agreed in principle and now she's just arguing over the price. But that's perfectly fine. Now that I don't have to worry about… Anything, getting what I want is just a matter of patience and planning.

And the slippery slope beckons him onwards...

Well... Not quite as bad as I expected... The costume bit was funny. Bit we're still watching a morality-free thirty-something trying to woo a sixteen-year-old.

And succeeding, slowly. Knowing where it all ends up makes it so much worse...

DrThoth · Jan 13, 2021

frommerman said:
You know, he makes good points about sexism in depictions of female characters.

Some things are consistent across all iterations of the SI, which is nice. Reminds me of Paragon saying 'comics rot your brain, kids' when talking about Hawkwoman's outfit being inspired by too much Earth media.

Actually, has Paragon been on a talk show since the Silver City invasion? I don't remember any, and there wasn't any word on a public statement made about what exactly happened, or at least no one commented on it in the story. I imagine he must be getting a lot of requests, unless every US network show is afraid to court disaster or more religious fundamentalist outcry. I'd like to see him discuss things with Father Mattias again, especially because the latter sadly didn't show up during the whole thing (as far as I recall).

Mr Zoat · Jan 13, 2021

Darko said:
Forgot Threadmark..

No, I remembered it. The site ate it.

Darko said:
'grudgingly'
'bringing down'

Thank you, corrected.

Yeah, I don't think that slavery is equality.

He ends up mind altering appreciably more men than women, due to their greater share of political and economic power.

Ahh, lying already.

Yes, but in that instance he was acting in accordance with her stated wishes.

Not sure you'll manage it.

There are two ways to change how people think about you: change yourself, or change them.

Silverias · Jan 13, 2021

I wonder if this sidestory is heading towards a conclusion to the Sally Sonic (I think that's her?) story for Paragon.

Agent Orange · Jan 13, 2021

I don't know why but every time Paul intentionally tries to seduce someone I only see Austin Powers.

With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

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Making the rounds.

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