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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

"…why you think that I would want anything to do with a brute like you!"

'do you think'

She huffs. "Tempting as that is, I simply cannot deliberately design something that isn't magnificent. Fabulosity might as well be my middle name."

Girls gotta have standards.

because High Father traded me for you

'Highfather'

has nothing to day to-."

'to say to'

"It is for his sake that I do not simply destroy you where you stand."

I'm getting the feeling that he's either jealous of what will happen if the two meet, or that he's worried that Scott has gone full Apokaliptian and he doesn't want Izaya to see what has happened to his son.
 
Mr Zoat, how exactly did Scott Free meet with Highfather in the Paragon timeline if this is how him showing up in the Renegade timeline went?

After Canis came to Earth with Dreamer the Motherbox Scott and Barda had with them finally started helping them.

Before that it thought they were just Apokaliptians and hated them because of that and because Barda kidnapped it from a New Genesian warrior she killed. It did help them escape from Apokalips, but that was it.

After it saw that they were trying to save someone from the Anti Life it changed its mind and helped them by sending them to New Genesis.

It probably sent a message that they were allies and thus they were allowed to come there.
 
Mr Zoat, how exactly did Scott Free meet with Highfather in the Paragon timeline if this is how him showing up in the Renegade timeline went?

IIRC when the League went to visit the Apokoliptians, on the mission to free the forever people, they spent some time on New Genesis on the way back.

Since the Free's were on the team doing so, they met then, off screen.

EDIT: League of Shadows'ed
 
After Canis came to Earth with Dreamer the Motherbox Scott and Barda had with them finally started helping them.

Before that it thought they were just Apokaliptians and hated them because of that and because Barda kidnapped it from a New Genesian warrior she killed. It did help them escape from Apokalips, but that was it.

After it saw that they were trying to save someone from the Anti Life it changed its mind and helped them by sending them to New Genesis.

It probably sent a message that they were allies and thus they were allowed to come there.
I guess it all comes down to being given prior warning by the Motherbox in the Paragon timeline rather than just showing up out of nowhere using a Fatherbox?
 
I guess it all comes down to being given prior warning by the Motherbox in the Paragon timeline rather than just showing up out of nowhere using a Fatherbox?

Renegade actually uses a Motherbox made by Himon after he destroyed Fatherbox.

However said Motherbox may not be recognized by the others due to not being made on New Genesis or maybe not being connected to some network they share.
 
"I just wanted to fit in with you and Orion. All the sons of Darkseid are wearing red this year."

Deliberately excluding Kalibak in his list? (Don't remember if Kalibak wears red anywhere or not). Also, I really want to see a picture of his costume.

Some little bits of godspeech, very telling ones:
(Dang stray colour tags...)

Are the color tags for the Godspeech part of the original or your way of better distinguishing the two 'voices' at play? Because the colors seem quite appropriate, but I don't know if all the Godspeech in the story has been meant to have color all along and I just missed it.

Using the Ping effect in Godspeech is a cool way of showing the importance of Mother Box in (relatively) pacifying Orion.

Renegade should consider diversifying his portfolio to include being the New God of Savage One-Liners.

"I can't believe that my father passed me over for this." Poisonous Key.

What does 'Poisonous Key' mean? I'm assuming it's a reference but can't immediately find anything when searching it.

I did feel that last segment, Renegade wasn't properly appreciating the usefulness of having a God of Freedom on your side when fighting a God of Conquest; Earth 50's Scott helped out a lot with that version of Grayven after all (I think, anyway...I'd have to reread that episode to be sure of all the details). I hope the eventual fight is sufficiently different from the last Conquest God throwdown to still be interesting to read.
 
24th August 2012
17:29 GMT -5


"Grayven…" Scott stares at me through the eyeholes in his Mister Miracle costume in apparent bewilderment. "What are you wearing?"
Says the man in bright red, dayglow yellow and vivid green? I know, I know, stage gear turned super-heroing outfit. Unfortunately, even as a great Jack Kirby design, it still looks like a colour-blind lucheador's ring wear. :p

I shift uncomfortably in my 'revised' costume.

"What?"
Huh, wearing something casual for once? I hope it's suitably non-threatening.

"I've seen you wearing something other than your armor twice, and one of those times was on T.V."

"You wear your costume a lot."
"...It's comfortable. And warm. Is that a crime?"

"I wear my costume when I'm working. I'm a t-shirts and slacks guy most of the time. Is this..?" He floats around me on his aero-discs, looking me over. "Is this supposed to be camouflage?"

I sigh. "I thought that my usual grey armour was a bit too much of a visual reminder of Father. As for this…"
Yes, turning up in gear that just screams 'Come have a go' might send the wrong message.

6th April 2012
10:13 GMT


"…why you think that I would want anything to do with a brute like you!"

Rarity glares at me, and stamps her right forehoof before lifting it back to her chest.
If anyone doesn't know, that particular motion is a clear challenge in horse body language. She is in a fighting mood.

"Because I'm giving you the perfect opportunity to revenge yourself upon me for my brutishness. I'm asking you to design clothes for me, someone with no taste at all. I have no ability to assess your work. Whatever you make for me, I will wear at least once, and the only requirement I have is that it be at least somewhat red."

She… Considers. "You'll wear anything?"
Time to break out the lace and crinoline! Go on, make him regret this blank cheque... :D

"Anything."

She huffs. "Tempting as that is, I simply cannot deliberately design something that isn't magnificent. Fabulosity might as well be my middle name."
Aw, no revenge via fashion disaster. Still, at least he'll look good.

I didn't know she had a last name.

"But could you design something that would be fabulous in a very particular situation, but look ridiculous anywhere else?"
To be fair, most ponies don't have family names. Beyond a common theme, anyway, like the Apple clan.

"Such as?"

"You wouldn't wear the same thing to a diplomatic reception as you would to a spring clean, would you?"
Now that's a challenge. Durable yet elegant, hard-wearing without being armoured...

"Well, of course not." But her hoof is down on the ground and she's looking thoughtful. "And you'll wear it?"

I nod. "And I'll wear it."
Throwing yourself on her mercy and getting a good outfit from it? Typical Renegade trolling.

She leans forward, staring at me sceptically.

"Hmmmmmm."
Come on, Rarity... Lace and Crinoline. :sneaky: You know you want to...

24th August 2012
17:30 GMT -5


"I just wanted to fit in with you and Orion. All the sons of Darkseid are wearing red this year." I nod at the empty space just in front of us. "After you."
To be fair, Kalibak's usually associated with Green, these days... But pre-flashpoint, he did favour a particularly bloody shade of red...

"Mother Box?"

"Ping."
"Yes, it's legit. I still say this is a bad idea..."

BOOM!

He holds his right arm out to the tube. "After you."
Lead the way, Tank.

"Yea-I-. I think you should go first. They're a little more likely to ask questions if they see you. I'm probably 'shoot on sight'."

"But if I go through first, they might think you're chasing me."
The lack of fearful running or harried yelling might make that a little less likely an assumption...

...But the Renegade is still less squishy. And they would probably still shoot first, ask questions of what's left after, if at all.

I walk through the portal, appearing in a grove on a planet quite close to New Genesis. While Apokolips has The Waste, New Genesis has protectorates. Places which rely on the gods for their defence. And worship them, and are stupefied into maintaining a low-tech civilisation aside from anything the gods grant them.

That about says it all. New Genesis: better than Apokolips. Just.
True. Less outright displays of conquest, but they still rule their neighbours. They just don't do it with an iron rod...

Scott flies through a moment later, then the tube shuts down. Okay, boom tubes are noisy things and easy to detect, so-.

BOOM!
Oh look, they've already noticed.

Scott braces in the air as a new tube opens over our heads, ready to jink in any direction to avoid attack. I just make a point of keeping my hands away from my weapons. Of course, this might not be Orion. If they're sending the Forever Children I'm going to be-.
Defend! / Ping.
Orion flies through, looking as Father Box told me he would. His astro-harness is grey rather than gold and he's got black trousers rather than red leggings. He's also a good deal more slender than I was expecting. He's muscular, but he's nothing like Kalibak or myself.
So, a bit more like the post-flashpoint version. Less Kirby block of muscle and more 'potential Wonder Woman suitor'... The Astro-harness, for those new to the New Gods, is a combination of flight rig and energy weaponry, powered by Orion himself.

But no astro-bolts. That's a positive start.

I smile, raising my right hand. "Hail, Orion-."
He probably just wanted to make sure where the targets were... While he's not concerned with collateral damage and all, Highfather might have words for him later.

"Apokoliptians." Unsourcely wretches! / Ping.

"You are, but I wasn't going to mention it." My smile broadens. "Now I can honestly say that I've met all of my brothers."
Note the godspeech: His immense anger is usually held in check by a dedicated Mother Box...

Scott straightens slightly, but he's still clearly ready to evade. "I'm only Apokoliptian because High Father traded me for you. If you're wondering, I'm not exactly happy about being handed over to the God of Tyranny."

"Leave this place. Both of you." Purge the Unclean! / Ping.
...A very dedicated Mother Box. Also, not really helping your case, Scott. You're making it sounds like you're holding a grudge, and well...

I nod. "Happy to do that, but I do need to talk to you. Have you go somewhere else you'd prefer do it?"

"No. There will be no debate. Leave, and thank me for my mercy." Destroy the Apostate! / Ping.
...Orion's hatred of Apokalips and all who come from it is infamous. I don't think he's in any way going to be sensible about this...

"Hold on." Scott rises in the air, heading slowly in Orion's direction. "Are you telling me that after all these years my father has nothing to say to-."

The astro-bolt narrowly misses his face as Orion glare at him imperiously.
Nope, not sensible at all. The only reason he missed is probably orders. Not one for warning shots, is Orion.

"It is for his sake that I do not simply destroy you where you stand."

"Scott, I…" I shake my head. "I don't think this is going to work."
Maybe try a quieter entrance, direct into Izaya's chambers? Preferably waving whatever signs of surrender that New Genesis would recognise? Assuming he isn't like the 'Darkseid with better publicity' of the Post-Flashpoint era...

"Yeah." Scott descends, tapping his Mother Box. "I can't believe that my father passed me over for this." Poisonous Key.

BOOM!
Hmm... Interesting parting shot from Scott. Leaving a stinging reminder that will make Orion curious, or just sour grapes?

With one last look up at Orion, Scott flies through the tube back to Earth.

I linger for a moment, waiting until Orion's hands tighten around his harness's triggers.
<Sigh> Even with a totally non-threatening demeanour and outfit, The Renegade still manages to antagonise a potential ally... You just can't help yourself, can you?

"I know that of all of us, I resemble our father the most. But seeing you there, staring down at people who came to you in peace to exchange words… It's interesting to see how all of Izaya's efforts were in vain. It is you who is truly our father's son."

Mother Box quick.
You'd hate for the pony's nice work to be ruined, after all. One the upside, you did wear it once.

Ping.

Orion's jaw is shaking in rage as he pulls the trigger, astro-bolts eating through my construct shield-
Ouch. There's burning bridges, and then there's nuking them while you're standing on them, Renegade.

BOOM!

-as I drop through the portal to the Vega trench and close it behind me.
:rolleyes: You just couldn't help yourself, could you?

Okay, this is roughly where Other Grayven would have to fly through to reach us in a line from his old base of operations. This is the best I can do. Ring, take us to Tamaran.

By your command.
Back to fleet preparations, and maybe some mine-laying, eh?

Welp. So much for meeting Highfather. I'd say that particular pool has been well and truly poisoned, hasn't it? At best, all the Renegade can hope for now from New Genesis is a probing party looking into this 'odd Grayven'. I hope the Mother Boxes at least had a good private chat while the monkeys were flinging poo, so that the real story can be gotten across.
 
Welp. So much for meeting Highfather. I'd say that particular pool has been well and truly poisoned, hasn't it? At best, all the Renegade can hope for now from New Genesis is a probing party looking into this 'odd Grayven'.

I feel like luring Orion into the fray when the real Grayven shows up and then immediately peacing out can be a viable plan (or at least a troll move I'd love to see); just got to find the proper outlet for that rage.
 
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"Superhero teams are far from being a new phenomenon. Even the Justice Society wasn't the first such alliance. But recently, large numbers of unconnected superheroes have been provided with improved equipment and training by an organisation called 'The Alliance of the Just'."
I noticed that this image link is the only one that still doesn't work among the ones I pointed out. What could it even be though? A superhero team that came together after the Justice Society, but before the Justice League, that isn't Infinity Inc.?
 
Mr Zoat, how exactly did Scott Free meet with Highfather in the Paragon timeline if this is how him showing up in the Renegade timeline went?
They met after he took part is rescuing the Forever People from Apokolips.
That should be 'Highfather', and I think 'New God of Tyranny'.
That should be 'say'.
Thank you, corrected.
No, the first bit of the sentence was 'I don't know'.
"It is for his sake that I do not simply destroy you where you stand."
No, he's just really angry all of the time and has accepted in his own mind that those feelings are okay when it comes to Apokolips.
I noticed that this image link is the only one that still doesn't work among the ones I pointed out. What could it even be though? A superhero team that came together after the Justice Society, but before the Justice League, that isn't Infinity Inc.?
No idea.
 
Deliberately excluding Kalibak in his list? (Don't remember if Kalibak wears red anywhere or not).

Kaibak tends to wear green.

I did feel that last segment, Renegade wasn't properly appreciating the usefulness of having a God of Freedom on your side when fighting a God of Conquest; Earth 50's Scott helped out a lot with that version of Grayven after all (I think, anyway...I'd have to reread that episode to be sure of all the details

I remember he fought some New God that worked with Grayven and who basically wore a black version of his Mr. Miracle costume.

No, he's just really angry all of the time and has accepted in his own mind that those feelings are okay when it comes to Apokolips.

To be fair to him, given everything about Apokalips, he's not completely wrong.
 
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To be fair, Kalibak's usually associated with Green, these days... But pre-flashpoint, he did favour a particularly bloody shade of red...

He did wear green even in the pre Flashpoint era.

Though I mostly remember that from the Superman and Justice League cartoons.

Maybe try a quieter entrance, direct into Izaya's chambers? Preferably waving whatever signs of surrender that New Genesis would recognise? Assuming he isn't like the 'Darkseid with better publicity' of the Post-Flashpoint era...

Even the n52 version was honorable, albeit very ruthless.

And even if he's not so ruthless, he may not take it so well if they just showed up.

He may talk to Scott, albeit after he leaves Renegade as a bloody smear on the floor.

Not to mention his chambers may be defended from unwanted intrusions.

<Sigh> Even with a totally non-threatening demeanour and outfit, The Renegade still manages to antagonise a potential ally... You just can't help yourself, can you?

No, he really can't.

Ouch. There's burning bridges, and then there's nuking them while you're standing on them, Renegade.

Renegade has a supply of nukes, along with chemical and biological weapons.

Welp. So much for meeting Highfather. I'd say that particular pool has been well and truly poisoned, hasn't it? At best, all the Renegade can hope for now from New Genesis is a probing party looking into this 'odd Grayven'. I hope the Mother Boxes at least had a good private chat while the monkeys were flinging poo, so that the real story can be gotten across.

Let's take a moment and appreciate what those two Boxes are doing and the burden of their duty.

One needs to keep a violent man in check, while the other one needs to stay near renegade.

Poor Renegade's MotherBox.
 
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I noticed that this image link is the only one that still doesn't work among the ones I pointed out. What could it even be though? A superhero team that came together after the Justice Society, but before the Justice League, that isn't Infinity Inc.?


If I remember correctly, I think it was some kind of superhero family that was standing in front of a mirror.

But that's all I remember.
 
I noticed that this image link is the only one that still doesn't work among the ones I pointed out. What could it even be though? A superhero team that came together after the Justice Society, but before the Justice League, that isn't Infinity Inc.?

Actually I believe that would be a superhero team that predates the JSA.

So my initial thought would be Shadowpact- Shadowpact was shown to be the name of several superhero teams, both from the past and the future.

Like the Shadowpact of 1908- Adept, Civit, Fairy Queen, Mr Meteor, and Mrs Prescott.

Demon Knights is too modern for Zoat's usual tastes, after all.

Maybe the League of Ancients, since he made them Black Adam's old team instead of JLA villains.
 
New Genesis: better than Apokolips. Just.
The non-gods of New Genesis might not be living particularly productive or 'good' lives… but they are generally happy, or at least contented. Comparing NG to the suffering generator that is Apokolips is like comparing having old bargain-basement furniture to being stabbed on a daily basis.
 
Mr Zoat, is there any chance that Orion actually considered Renegade's words (kind of valid, even if they were designed to bait him), or just dismissed them because of their speaker's identity?

Or should I assume the answer 'The Renegade doesn't know'?
 
Mr Zoat, is there any chance that Orion actually considered Renegade's words (kind of valid, even if they were designed to bait him), or just dismissed them because of their speaker's identity?

Or should I assume the answer 'The Renegade doesn't know'?

I'm leaning more towards the second one.

Though Zoat would give the 'doesn't know' answer.
 
Mr Zoat, is there any chance that Orion actually considered Renegade's words (kind of valid, even if they were designed to bait him), or just dismissed them because of their speaker's identity?

Or should I assume the answer 'The Renegade doesn't know'?
The Renegade would think it extremely unlikey. At most, he might expect him to relay them accurately to Highfather.
 
Did Renegade purposely pissed off Orion and then opened a Boom tube on the path Grayven will take to attack the Vegas System so Him and Orion will meet and fight each others?
 
which episode did have earth 50 Scott and Barda attacking Grayven?
 

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