With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

[Chojin Patriarch]

He was talking about Ms. Brauer. He's not a nice person or anything but she's a colleague.

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Well, her dying would have given him a good reason to take the shot. I could see him rationalising it that way somehow...

 

[Stsword]

Exactly what is stopping everyone else in JLU earth from completely destroying themesira once they declare they are the culprits of the largest terrorist attack and genocide in history?

Are the rest of the women in the world just going to fall in line after their sons, bothers and fathers were murdered?

The only logical result of such an attack is the Amazon culture being utterly destroyed in reprisal and I doubt their weakened God's are going to provide enough defense against the entire planet including other nations with access to powerful magicians and other gods.

There is no Pax Amazonia in a universe that operates under the rules of logic, they are too insignificant to matter without continental amounts of handwavium.

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Where did you get the silly idea I was suggesting Aresia's terrorism was the path to Pax Amazonia?

As I specifically pointed out in the message you quoted, Amazons can recruit. Zoat had the Donner enhanciles conquer a good chunk of modern South America with an inferior ability that requires popping out babies and waiting over a decade for them to mature.

And the Amazons could have done this at any point in the last three thousand years plus.

You think Medieval Europe would have been able to do shit to an army of effectively demigods?

If Hippolyta wanted to rule the world the Pax Amazonia would be celebrating a multi-millennium anniversary.

 

[Darko]

Zoat had the Donner enhanciles conquer a good chunk of modern South America with an inferior ability that requires popping out babies and waiting over a decade for them to mature

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You forgot to mention the fact that they were also taught powerful plant magic by a superpowerful dryad, who may just be a full blown goddess now.

And the fact that the Sheeda damaged Brazil and South America enough for the Accala to take over.

 

[Chaoswind]

Where did you get the silly idea I was suggesting Aresia's terrorism was the path to Pax Amazonia?

As I specifically pointed out in the message you quoted, Amazons can recruit. Zoat had the Donner enhanciles conquer a good chunk of modern South America with an inferior ability that requires popping out babies and waiting over a decade for them to mature.

And the Amazons could have done this at any point in the last three thousand years plus.

You think Medieval Europe would have been able to do shit to an army of effectively demigods?

If Hippolyta wanted to rule the world the Pax Amazonia would be celebrating a multi-millennium anniversary.

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They didn't do such a thing, they took over after the blue people from the future destroyed Latin America and they had the help of Euante a very powerful green elemental demi goddess that got super charged by the bark of the tree of the garden of eden.

IE the Accala didn't conquer shit, they just took over after the Sheeda destroyed the local governments.

Second the Amazons had to flee the main land because they were getting destroyed in battle and the handful of demi goddess they had weren't capable of making a difference.

Of course then centuries later Hercules went and raped a lot of them and that drastically increased the number of demi goddesses in their ranks, but by that point they were too scared to do anything with the outside world and were too afraid of dying without the blessings of their island.


They would have to drastically change culturally to decide to leave their little island and if they had tried to come out they would have eventually gotten flattened by someone.

 

[Ngamer11]

Second the Amazons had to flee the main land because they were getting destroyed in battle and the handful of demi goddess they had weren't capable of making a difference.

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I remember Mr Zoat saying that in this story, they left for Themyscira because the gods told them to do so. It's possible that not obeying that order would have had major consequences

 

[Lord Ernest]

Yeah, I kinda agree that the Amazons wouldn't have been able to conquer the whole world. Unless it's an Elseworlds that bends over backwards to make it so, they don't have the numbers or actual power to do so. Depending on what type of Amazon we are talking here, I don't think they would be able to even conquer the whole Greek area to be honest.

If it's in ancient times, they aren't the only ones with demigod level individuals, nor are the other pantheons sleeping or whatever it is that they're doing in modern times. From there, keep moving the historical period forward and there's anything from new tactics to new technologies that they haven't faced or encountered, not counting the simple facts of numbers, logistics and other civilizations with their own respective bullshits considering this is a DC universe. There's walls that I don't think they would be able to surpass, from China to Atlantis, from individuals in Africa to Northern Europe. Nah, they would probably be able to establish a new Amazonian kingdom but conquer the world? Are we giving them cheat codes?

 

[Mr Zoat]

16th September 2012
21:59 GMT +1

"Another?"

Atom Man stares at me through his visor as I carry another stunned cultist to our drop-off point.

"How many do you think we need?"

"Two possible answers to that. The first is that, since we don't know, we should try to collect as many as possible, if doing so doesn't cost us anything. The more we capture, the more likely we are to gain useful intelligence."

"It's been tried. Leatherwing took many of them captive. They told him nothing."

"I've gotten a bit of a handle on Leatherwing's personality. So correct me if I'm wrong here, but… He beat them, then tortured them with equipment, and then… If there were any left, tried using some sort of experimental destructive mental probe?"

"I won't comment on the third option, but you're probably right about the other two. You don't do that where you're from?"

"Physical coercion is seldom efficacious. My preferences are 'persuade', 'telepathy' and 'unnatural mental influence'. Not because I am a 'soft touch', but because they work better."

"If you have time." He grabs hold of the door to the train storage shed and rips it off the hinges without bothering with the lock. "In the field, you don't always have time."

"Then you bring a telepath with you. And what's field expediency got to do with killing or stunning your target?"

"Nothing. I just mean 'generally'."

The trains have been lifted off their rails and moved to the sides of the shed. Wonder Woman appears to have had that much clarity of thought, at least. The portal space is obvious; part of the train wash has been repurposed.

"You want to capture that as well?"

"If there were any magicians on hand to examine it, yes. As it-"

He's already raising his lasers.

"-is, you might as well."

Two fat green beams burn along the train cleaning device, incinerating most of it and reducing the rest to slag.

"Will that stop it?"

I fly forwards and wave my rune stone at it.

"The spell's been ruined, but the local magic concentration is still above background levels."

"How do we fix that?"

"With a magician. Or time. Or… Ritual purification?"

"We need a priest?"

"You need an extremely devout priest. A saint would be better. But a normal priest, a large group of the devout and time would disperse the accumulated demonic magic more quickly."

"'Pray the Fae Away' actually works?"

"Demons aren't fae. That's a separate thing." I scan the area, but I'm not picking up anything that looks particularly cult-y. "But yes. Genuine faith, focusing your mind and soul on something beyond your material existence, tends to weaken demon magic."

"I will remember that. What was the other answer?"

"I don't know exactly how things were in this timeline, but in mine, the national socialists originally used soldiers to kill their political opponents."

"Yes?"

"Most couldn't handle it. Killing soldiers fighting against you is one thing, but killing civilians kneeling next to a ditch?" I shake my head. "They started coming apart, mentally. That was why your government switched to using gas, and making prison trustees clear the gas chambers out."

"No one had the stomach for it?"

"Only the total psychos. My thought was that if you don't argue against an idea or practice -no matter how rational it seems- then it risks becoming what the philosopher Harriet Taylor called a 'dead dogma'. By sparing people you could kill, you gain an understanding of why you don't usually do it."

"I've never heard of 'Harriet Taylor'."

"She's probably banned. If you prefer Elizabeth Förster-Nietzsche, perhaps you could take helpless prisoners and slowly murder them for no good reason to help with overcoming your slave morality?"

"Why would I-?" He glare at me through his visor. "Look, I don't know what you think we are, but I am not a psycho. I don't hurt people for fun; I do it because it is necessary." He steps back, then turns back towards the door. "Fine. Keep the prisoners. I will call in The Bat."

He pauses.

"Do you have some plan for dealing with the woman? I do not see her becoming 'helpless'. I respect that, but it's still a problem."

"There are two places I might be able to get a magician powerful enough to help. But for her, I think it will be better if I take her to this world's version of her country."

"Where is she from?"

"Themyscira. It's an island hidden by magic. I should be able to get to it, and they'll be motivated and should be able to get Diana back on her feet."

"That's her name? Diana?"

"Ah, yes."

In my timeline and the original comics, Diana left the island to take part on World War 2. But there were stages where that Wonder Woman was Queen Hippolyta, or Fury, or it just didn't happen. So if something else happened… There's no reason why the Reich would have much information on her.

"Princess Diana of Themyscira. Probably. I'm working off the history of my own parallel. They're usually pretty isolationist, so there's next to no chance of them taking it as a casus belli."

"I was wondering if they had wizards. Since they are a primitive, isolated people."

"The version on my parallel has one, and a few priestesses in semi-regular contact with their gods. I'll ask, but they'll probably say no."

"You accept that from primitives?"

"I realise that I sound English, but I'm actually a Themysciran national. They're… Capable of learning, and not completely incurious about the world."

"Heh. If you want to take your princess back to your people, go ahead. I will stay here to liaise with the local authorities, then return to Wewelsburg. Good journey, Orange Lantern."

I nod to him, then fly out towards where the owlwing has landed.

 

[Ngamer11]

I can't see this ending in any other way than a complete disaster. Has Paul thought this through? How will he stop the Amazons of Earth 10 from attacking him on sight, especially when it looks like he has their long lost princess as a prisoner? Although, if he prayed to Eris, she might help him out; but that seems like a 50/50 chance at best, assuming she's a neutral/benevolent version of herself and not an evil version.

 

[Mr Zoat]

Second the Amazons had to flee the main land because they were getting destroyed in battle and the handful of demi goddess they had weren't capable of making a difference.

Of course then centuries later Hercules went and raped a lot of them and that drastically increased the number of demi goddesses in their ranks, but by that point they were too scared to do anything with the outside world and were too afraid of dying without the blessings of their island.

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Not quite. Herakles raped a significant part of the population after conquering the old city. That's where most of their demigoddesses come from. There were probably a couple of other demigoddesses from before the exile, but Herakles took the city by deceit.

 

[Mastigos2]

How will he stop the Amazons of Earth 10 from attacking him on sight, especially when it looks like he has their long lost princess as a prisoner?

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The fact that he's bringing her TO them? Or by flying out of their reach and then explaining over a megaphone?

The real question is, how do the Amazons of Earth 10 differ from the ones he's used to?

 

[moralrelativity]

clarity of though, at least

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though -> thought

He's already raising is lasers.

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is -> his

I don't know exactly how thing were in this timeline

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why you don't usually do it."
"I've never heard of 'Harriet Taylor'."

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Missing a line break.

If you prefer Elizabeth Förster-Nietzsche, you, perhaps you could take

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Is the "you" after the name superfluous?

 

[Darko]

I've gotten a bit of a handle on Leatherwing's personality. So correct me if I'm wrong here, but… He beat them, then tortured them with equipment, and then… If there were any left, tried using some sort of experimental destructive mental probe?"

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So he used methods that generally don't work on people that are probably extremely used to pain to the point that flaying them alive may be pleasurable, and then used something to look into an extremely damaged mind that only caused more damage.

exactly how thing were in this timeline,

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'things were'

could kill, you gain an understand of why you don't usually do it."
"I've never heard of 'Harriet Taylor'."

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Add a space between these two.

could kill, you gain an understand of why you

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'understanding'

could take helpless prisoner and slowly murder them for no good reason to help with overcoming your slave morality?"

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'prisoners'

glare at me thought his

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'through his'

"Why would I-?" He glare at me thought his visor. "Look, I don't know what you think we are, but I am not a psycho

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No, you're just a racist prick that hurts people even when it isn't necessary.

Themyscira. It's an island hidden by magic. I should be able to get to it, and they'll be motivated and should be able to get Diana back on her feet."

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That may not be fully true.

They may just kill her due to her demonic corruption as a mercy, or they may not know what to do.

Also, they may try to kill you.

They probably already had bad feelings about outsiders before their version of Wonder Woman left, but now that she was killed they may have increased.

I can't see this ending in any other way than a complete disaster. Has Paul thought this through? How will he stop the Amazons of Earth 10 from attacking him on sight, especially when it looks like he has their long lost princess as a prisoner? Although, if he prayed to Eris, she might help him out; but that seems like a 50/50 chance at best, assuming she's a neutral/benevolent version of herself and not an evil version.

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Even if Eris is neutral or benevolent, that's not a full guarantee she'd help him.

Or at least help him in a useful way.

She is a goddess of chaos, so she may do something very weird and chaotic which she thinks is helpful, but it's really not.

 

[Vaermina]

Now its time to see if Zoat remembers he had the purple healing ray Nazi woman shack up on Themiscara.

 

[Darko]

will stay her to liaise with the

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'stay here'

 

[Chojin Patriarch]

16th September 2012
21:59 GMT +1

"Another?"

Atom Man stares at me though his visor as I carry another stunned cultist to out drop-off point.

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Yeah, looks like the cultists are proving about as effective against these two as a dry sponge being slapped against a brick wall... I doubt they'll have much to say beyond general denouncements, though. Unless OL wants to show another of his cards and Brand them...

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"How many do you think we need?"

"Two possible answers to that. The first is that, since we don't know, we should try to collect as many as possible, if doing so doesn't cost us anything. The more we capture, the more likely we are to gain useful intelligence."

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And you never know which ones know what. If you accidentally kill the one guy given the task and knowledge of creating a portal, you're shit out of luck.

"It's been tried. Leatherwing took many of them captive. They told him nothing."

"I've gotten a bit of a handle on Leatherwing's personality. So correct me if I'm wrong here, but… He beat them, then tortured them with equipment, and then… If there were any left, tried using some sort of experimental destructive mental probe?"

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...Sounds about right. Especially from what we heard about his interrogation of Paul Freeman. I bet he enjoys it, even if he justifies it to himself...

"I won't comment on the third option, but you're probably right about the other two. You don't do that where you're from?"

"Physical coercion is seldom efficacious. My preferences are 'persuade', 'telepathy' and 'unnatural mental influence'. Not because I am a 'soft touch', but because they work better."

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Yeah, a little avaricious nudge and people are happy to tell you what they want. Getting it for them, on the other hand, that can be awkward.

"If you have time." He grabs hold of the door to the train storage shed and rips it off the hinges without bothering with the lock. "In the field, you don't always have time."

"Then you bring a telepath with you. And what's field expediency got to do with killing or stunning your target?"

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Gee, a pity they've had no contact with Mars. Though I suspect the Martians would likely avoid them anyway. I stand corrected, having been reminded that they have had contact with a Martian, The majority having met with the usual extinction...

"Nothing. I just mean 'generally'."

The trains have been lifted off their rails and moved to the sides of the shed. Wonder Woman appears to have had that much clarity of though, at least. The portal space is obvious; part of the train wash has been repurposed.

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...Or whoever was in the driver's seat did. And logical enough on the placement. It's reasonably confined, and compact enough to avoid detection from above.

"You want to capture that as well?"

"If there were any magicians on hand to examine it, yes. As it-"

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...So, the Kryptonians didn't come through. No point keeping it open then. Either they'll wait for the next attempt, or capture Wolf and force him to do it...

He's already raising is lasers.

"-is, you might as well."

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I'm guessing there's runes painted on the walls, or such. Not likely they'd leave the portal sitting open, after all.

Two fat green beams burn along the train cleaning device, incinerating most of it and reducing the rest to slag.

"Will that stop it?"

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After a quick Google, if you can't picture the scene: imagine an automatic car-wash, only larger and longer. So, lots of burning brushes and melted mechanisms.

I fly forwards and wave my rune stone at it.

"The spell's been ruined, but the local magic concentration is still above background levels."

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And without any significant knowledge of magic, every other portal site is probably exactly the same. Just as Kreiger planned.

"How do we fix that?"

"With a magician. Or time. Or… Ritual purification?"

"We need a priest?"

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A young priest and an old priest? But seriously, good luck finding that in the modern Germany.

"You need a extremely devout priest. A saint would be better. But a normal priest, a large group of the devout and time would disburse the accumulated demonic magic more quickly."

"'Pray the Fae Away' actually works?"

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Heh. I doubt they care much about what's been happening out here. Probably just makes the few people they take even more entertaining...

"Demons aren't fae. That's a separate thing." I scan the area, but I'm not picking up anything that looks particularly cult-y. "But yes. Genuine faith, focusing your mind and soul on something beyond your material existence, tends to weaken demon magic."

"I will remember that. What was the other answer?"

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Well, that's something a little more difficult for modern Nazis to manage, I suspect. Sure, some might be believers, but I bet the Abrahamic faiths have declined... Besides for the obvious reasons.

"I don't know exactly how thing were in this timeline, but in mine, the national socialists originally used soldiers to kill their political opponents."

"Yes?"

"Most couldn't handle it. Killing soldiers fighting against you is one thing, but killing civilians kneeling next to a ditch?" I shake my head. "They started coming apart, mentally. That was why your government switched to using gas, and making prison trustees clear the gas chambers out."

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Thoroughly unpleasant all round...

"No one had the stomach for it?"

"Only the total psychos. My thought was that if you don't argue against an idea or practice -no matter how rational it seems- then it risks becoming what the philosopher Harriet Taylor called a 'dead dogma'. By sparing people you could kill, you gain an understand of why you don't usually do it."

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Sort of a 'how can you see the rights or wrongs of your way if no-one can speak against it?' thing? I suppose that works.

"I've never heard of 'Harriet Taylor'."

"She's probably banned. If you prefer Elizabeth Förster-Nietzsche, you, perhaps you could take helpless prisoner and slowly murder them for no good reason to help with overcoming your slave morality?"

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...Or other reasons, if you've those sorts of urges...

"Why would I-?" He glare at me thought his visor. "Look, I don't know what you think we are, but I am not a psycho. I don't hurt people for fun; I do it because it is necessary." He steps back, then turns back towards the door. "Fine. Keep the prisoners. I will call in The Bat."

He pauses.

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Huh. Not as bad a person as we thought he was, it seems. Still, 'it was necessary' can cover for a lot of sins...

"Do you have some plan for dealing with the woman? I do not see her becoming 'helpless'. I respect that, but it's still a problem."

"There are two places I might be able to get a magician powerful enough to help. But for her, I think it will be better if I take her to this world's version of her country."

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...Oh, wow, I do not see that going well at all. Assuming the gods even allow you entry.

"Where is she from?"

"Themyscira. It's an island hidden by magic. I should be able to get to it, and they'll be motivated and should be able to get Diana back on her feet."

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Of course, you seem to be assuming it's in the same place in this world, OL. The actual location of Themyscira or Paradise Island, depending on the continuity, has varied considerably over the years...

"That's her name? Diana?"

"Ah, yes."

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Wow, the history books didn't even bother to record her name? Cold.

In my timeline and the original comics, Diana left the island to take part on World War 2. But there were stages where that Wonder Woman was Queen Hippolyta, or Fury, or it just didn't happen. So if something else happened… There's no reason why the Reich would have much information on her.

"Princess Diana of Themyscira. Probably. I'm working off the history of my own parallel. They're usually pretty isolationist, so there's next to no chance of them taking it as a casus belli."

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And there are plenty that only left the Island in more recent years. More common post-crisis than before...

"I was wondering if they had wizards. Since they are a primitive, isolated people."

"The version on my parallel has one, and a few priestesses in semi-regular contact with their gods. I'll ask, but they'll probably say no."

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Especially if they learned their Princess died fighting these people...

"You accept that from primitives?"

"I realise that I sound English, but I'm actually a Themysciran national. They're… Capable of learning, and not completely incurious about the world."

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Best not mention the fact they're homonormative, or the fact you've aided some in having children. Wonder how they're doing, anyway. Probably precocious little toddlers with lots of doting aunties.

"Heh. If you want to take your princess back to your people, go ahead. I will stay her to liaise with the local authorities, then return to Wewelsburg. Good journey, Orange Lantern."

I nod to him, then fly out towards where the owlwing has landed.

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Well, he's going to be busy for the next while, I think.

What's the bet Herr Fledermaus insist on someone accompanying him to Themyscira? Partly to keep an eye on him, partly to investigate the Amazons. In which case, it'd be a matter of who would go. Someone female, I would expect... Of course, that presumes he'll even be able to get there. The gods of this Earth have no knowledge of him, nor any good reason to give him passage without some very fast talking OL's part...

 

[Ngamer11]

Gee, a pity they've had no contact with Mars. Though I suspect the Martians would likely avoid them anyway.

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Overgirl mentioned that there is only one Martian on Earth 10 as all of the others died due to a disease that I think is called H'ronmeer's Curse.

 

[Darko]

Gee, a pity they've had no contact with Mars. Though I suspect the Martians would likely avoid them anyway.

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Actually, Angelika mentioned that the Martians were wiped out by some disease when the people from Earth 10 came there.

A White Martian did survive and is a member of the Reichsmen.

A young priest and an old priest? But seriously, good luck finding that in the modern Germany

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Not sure why that'd be a problem.

I don't think the Nazis had anything against Christianity.

At least in general.

Heh. I doubt they care much about what's been happening out here. Probably just makes the few people they take even more entertaining.

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The Fae may care since if Demon Earth manages to get through then they're also most likely screwed.

Well, that's something a little more difficult for modern Nazis to manage, I suspect. Sure, some might be believers, but I bet the Abrahamic faiths have declined... Besides for the obvious reasons.

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Judaism is probably dead, though some may worship in secret.

Islam may have also declined.

Some forms of Christianity might be gone or at least illegal, but they may still have forms.

Huh. Not as bad a person as we thought he was, it seems

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Just because someone isn't as bad as you thought they were that doesn't make them okay.

Of course, you seem to be assuming it's in the same place in this world, OL. The actual location of Themyscira or Paradise Island, depending on the continuity, has varied considerably over the years

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Yeah, I think in some comics it was located in the Bermuda Triangle.

Wow, the history books didn't even bother to record her name? Cold

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Or the Nazis never knew her actual name so they couldn't record it.

And if the Allies did know it then they may have potentially destroyed any documents or materials they thought the Nazis could use when they saw which way the war was heading, and documents concerning Wonder Woman were among them.

Or the documents were destroyed during a Nazi attack.

 

[Mr Zoat]

though -> thought
is -> his
thing -> things
Missing a line break.
Is the "you" after the name superfluous?

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'understanding'
'prisoners'
'through his'

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'stay here'

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Thank you, corrected.

 

[Xmaster3000]

out drop-off point

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I think it's "our drop-off point".

a extremely devout priest

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And I think it's "an extremely devout priest".

 

[Doccer]

A young priest and an old priest? But seriously, good luck finding that in the modern Germany.

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I've missed the joke?

 

[Mr Zoat]

I think it's "our drop-off point".
And I think it's "an extremely devout priest".

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Thank you, corrected.

I've missed the joke?

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I'm assuming that it's a Repossessed reference.

 

[Sorrow]

Are we sure that this is the Local version of Diana? Why would the local version be helping Demonologists? How would they have captured her and brain washed/controlled her? Or is that what the helmet was? A magical mind control device?

 

[Darko]

Are we sure that this is the Local version of Diana? Why would the local version be helping Demonologists? How would they have captured her and brain washed/controlled her? Or is that what the helmet was? A magical mind control device?

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This isn't the local version of Diana, this is the one from Hell Earth.

Diana from Earth 10 died in WWII.

They most likely captured her due her being outnumbered by corrupted metas, and the helmet was used to control her.

 

[Cuchulin]

I'm assuming that it's a Repossessed reference.

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I think it's more of an Exorcist reference or a generic exorcism reference.

 

[Stsword]

Second the Amazons had to flee the main land because they were getting destroyed in battle and the handful of demi goddess they had weren't capable of making a difference.

Of course then centuries later Hercules went and raped a lot of them and that drastically increased the number of demi goddesses in their ranks, but by that point they were too scared to do anything with the outside world and were too afraid of dying without the blessings of their island.


They would have to drastically change culturally to decide to leave their little island and if they had tried to come out they would have eventually gotten flattened by someone.

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Zoat's amazons are canon for Zoat's story, not for the DCAU and related media. Why does this need to be explained to you? In that setting Hippolyta was ordered by Zeus to have the Gates of Tartarus guarded, take a wild guess where those gates are located.

So if anyone has an actual argument for why superpowered Amazons who can recruit up to 51% of the population as the DCAU Amazons apparently can

have the knowledge of magic to grant these superpowers

And have access to "forbidden lore" super technology as Aresia and her biotoxins and mind control devices show

Couldn't dominate physically , magically, and technologically inferior nations, please share.

 

[Dur'id the Druid]

IIRC the Diana of this earth is still alive but very mentally scarred from when Leatherwing captured her for a time. She escaped thanks to the local superman, but is weakened. She has the body of an old woman, even as she has the powers of Wonder Woman, she isn't as healthy as she was before. Also really hates this Superman, even as she respects him as a warrior.

Also doesn't the USA have a force of low powered green lanterns? I am interested in them meeting with John here, it would be an interesting experience for all.

 

[Darko]

IIRC the Diana of this earth is still alive but very mentally scarred from when Leatherwing captured her for a time. She escaped thanks to the local superman, but is weakened. She has the body of an old woman, even as she has the powers of Wonder Woman, she isn't as healthy as she was before. Also really hates this Superman, even as she respects him as a warrior.

Also doesn't the USA have a force of low powered green lanterns? I am interested in them meeting with John here, it would be an interesting experience for all.

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What you just described is the Red Son universe, where Superman is a communist.

This is the Earth where he's a Nazi, or well, former Nazi.

The only thing they have in common was that it was claimed that Superman is really a man from the future.

In Red Son that was shown to us.

In this story that was just propaganda by Hitler, with Overman really being an alien.

 

[Bramble Thorn]

Zoat's amazons are canon for Zoat's story, not for the DCAU and related media. Why does this need to be explained to you?

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Maybe he's trying to win a coveted [Vaermina Award] for making authoritative statements that have nothing to do with the actual events that happened the the story this thread covers, and then doubling down on the crazy statements when anyone points out what they are saying is BS?

 

[Chaoswind]

Maybe he's trying to win a coveted [Vaermina Award] for making authoritative statements that have nothing to do with the actual events that happened the the story this thread covers, and then doubling down on the crazy statements when anyone points out what they are saying is BS?

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No, I clearly stated DCAU bends over backwards to make governments as irrelevant and ineffective as possible as to glorify and make hero/vigilante plots "work", thus why I don't really regard anything from the comics medium very highly because the "too many cooks in the Kitchen" problem has made them too convoluted to bother to follow.

The rest is a misunderstanding of his argument about Pax Amazon ruling over the world because a writer made their entire civilization a Mary sue and how they have been stealing from the Greek mythology to cover for their own deficiencies as writers and this has ended up hyping the Greek mythology and their gods.

The Greek mythology isn't even the most overpowered mythology we have around just the most well known one. If the Amazons had decided to go out to conquer the earth then by all rights they should have gotten destroyed by the Indu armies, their pantheon and their demigods.


Then again I don't see what even the point of the tangent was, if Stsword wasn't talking about the Amazons as per this fic then he was derailing for absolutely no reason.

 

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Now it's time to see if Zoat remembers he had the purple healing ray Nazi woman shack up on Themiscara.

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Wasn't that after they lost the war? why would she be there if she had won?