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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

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Vaermina said:
There's also the high possibility of "fuck you"'s Zeus would have arranged to screw over anyone who overthrew him.

And of course the fact that LePaul is completely ignoring the potential WMD level collateral damage to Earth from Zeus and Hephaestus fighting.

Which includes the very real possibility that if Zeus starts loosing he will go "If I'm going down I will take a billion people with me".
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Sure, and after he's done that instead of only being dethroned he'll be unmade, because earth doesn't need his unstable ass in case he goes through with it.
 
Mr Zoat said:
Technically safter than option two
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"safer"

Mr Zoat said:
I put on this ring in the knowledge that it would probably change my character
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Understatement of the century right there. Especially when you consider how different all of the Pauls are when they started from the same point before putting on the ring. I know they had different environments around them (except for SI & Renegade) but still.

Mr Zoat said:
"Because you, Orange Lantern, are the last person to go to for the voice of moderation."
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You'd be surprised! The SI's is capable of an amazingly moderate reflection on the behalf of someone else. People don't give him enough credit for his awareness of his abnormal thinking and his ability to work around it. He knows other peoples have different values and different modes of thinking and that properly advising them can only be done by taking those into account.

Mr Zoat said:
He stands up as… An owl swoops down
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Finally! It was about time someone got the Goddess of Wisdom involved.
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And I see that in her great wisdom, she has reached the correct decision. Let's do this!
 
Sojiko said:
"safer"

Understatement of the century right there. Especially when you consider how different all of the Pauls are when they started from the same point before putting on the ring. I know they had different environments around them (except for SI & Renegade) but still.

You'd be surprised! The SI's is capable of an amazingly moderate reflection on the behalf of someone else. People don't give him enough credit for his awareness of his abnormal thinking and his ability to work around it. He knows other peoples have different values and different modes of thinking and that properly advising them can only be done by taking those into account.

Finally! It was about time someone got the Goddess of Wisdom involved.
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And I see that in her great wisdom, she has reached the correct decision. Let's do this!
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Well except for all those people hitting on Paul without him noticing. He really has a notable weakness in modeling if they base their motivation on something other than desire. Such as his failure with Luthor that led to him sulking.

He is generally only really good at modeling desires. When people moderate that for reasons other than contrary desires he is a bit off.

Such as how he failed to model how reasonable Nabu could be or how suggesting the rotatiom schedule could give away the element of surprise.

Or how completely insane his current plan has been. It is being carried by Hectate and Athena.
 
FreeGod said:
I am sure that captain marvel can find some other powerful being who's name starts with a Z to parishion.
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That assumes he survives the sudden unexpected depowering.


The Froggy Ninja said:
Expand? I suppose he could withhold the Spear and training ring, but Hephaestus has last say on whether or not they do the ritual itself, and afterwards he'd be the one who decides what happens to the Titans in Tartarus. OL certainly bears a certain amount of responsibility, but not 100%.
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LePaul takes back the Spear and Ring and the deal that requires they free the Titan's is dead in the water.

LePaul is also the one who put the whole plan together in the first place. And part of that plan involved the deal that they free the Titans.

So yes, it's all on him.
 
Vaermina said:
LePaul takes back the Spear and Ring and the deal that requires they free the Titan's is dead in the water.

LePaul is also the one who put the whole plan together in the first place. And part of that plan involved the deal that they free the Titans.

So yes, it's all on him.
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It's explicitly not. A large portion of the responsibility is on him, but he's not the one deciding whether or not they follow through, or whether or not Hephaestus pays the agreed upon price. J. Robert Oppenheimer invented the nuke, but that doesn't mean President Truman holds no blame for using it. Yes, Paul could stop it, but so could Hephaestus, Hecate or any number of other people involved.
 
Mr Zoat said:
"Heph."

"Athe."
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Minor quibble, but if a Greek person shortens a name to make it more familiar, they almost ways cut away or alter the front. The ending is needed to still have it recognizably be a name (or even just a noun). So I recommend changing this to "Phaestos" ("Phaeste" when calling someone if you want to be grammatically correct) and "Thena" respectively.

In fact, while Hephaestus is not a a usual given name in Greek anymore, Athena is actually pretty common and Thena is the typical nickname given.
 
Rafin said:
Minor quibble, but if a Greek person shortens a name to make it more familiar, they almost ways cut away or alter the front. The ending is needed to still have it recognizably be a name (or even just a noun). So I recommend changing this to "Phaestos" ("Phaeste" when calling someone if you want to be grammatically correct) and "Thena" respectively.

In fact, while Hephaestus is not a a usual given name in Greek anymore, Athena is actually pretty common and Thena is the typical nickname given.
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Not only will I change that, I'll also link to your post by way of explanation.
 
jaelin910 said:
In the scenario you're engaging with, he decides to kill a billion people in response to being dethroned. That's pretty unstable.
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No, it's MAD.

And it's why you don't go around doing what LePaul does without first spending a very long time making sure the powerful being/race you're fucking over can't fuck you over in one last act of revenge.


BlueMangoAdea said:
Since Athena, Diana's patron goddess, is also part of this, Diana can't blame Paul too much. :V
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Given he promised not to kill Zeus and her metaphysics in this story embody truth?
 
Coup Data (part 21)
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    12:12 GMT +3

    Mount Olympus isn't anything special. A little under three thousand metres at its highest point, it's tall for a European mountain but doesn't even make the top hundred tallest mountains worldwide. It's snow-covered for nine months of the year, though with global warming a thing of the past that might increase a little. The lower slopes are coated in forests and scrubland with significant biodiversity while the highest portions are bare rock. There are more Christian places of worship here than Hellenist ones; Greek Orthodox churches, shrines and actual monasteries are sited at several places, while the ruins of Hellenistic shrines can really only be seen if you know where to look.

    The idea of changing that has been brought up a few times, but the monks and priests are -understandably, if with a certain degree of bias- rather against it.

    There's no divine palace sitting at the top. No Zeus sitting on a throne.

    Except.

    I hold aloft a mug filled with the Cider of Discord, take a sip-

    And as I swallow I couldn't say what it tasted like only that it left me shuddering, and I have no idea whether it's good-shuddering or bad.

    -and then pour the rest of it on the scree-covered ground. Next, I drop a pile of small sticks and kindling out of subspace and set it on fire. Ah, add some petrol? Better. Drop a pile of cow organs on top of that.

    Because while I can't do magic, I'm perfectly capable of performing rituals that existing magic will react to. I've got no idea why the Olympians tied their rituals to the burning of animal organs but I'll admit that does make things simpler. Then I hold out the cup and wait.

    The smell's interesting. I mean, it's definitely beefy, but at the same time it's clearly different from the muscle-tissue I usually eat.

    I watch the pile blacken and burn.

    We decided on this method of entry because it's respectful and… Frankly, the alternative was to swap places with the Ophidian and… While she could exist in Divine Olympus, we're not sure that Divine Olympus could survive having her exist inside it. And in

    Hard. Rough. Unyielding.

    fact, I…

    I raise my right hand, my

    Gather. Flow. Bind. Life.

    tattoos… There. Their presence apparent even through my armour. Like my arm is an arm and a

    Lever. Holding. Grasping.

    tool at the same time. Welcome to the thaumosphere, or at least the bits the Olympians have formatted for their own convenience.

    I take a moment to look around

    Growing. Flowing. Reaching. Calling.

    and try to let the concept-objects just sort of… Flow over me, interface with me. The thing and the idea of the thing. It's not… Harmful, and…

    Hunger. Hunger. Hunger.

    There's that. I can actually feel it beat in my chest not at all like a second heart actually but that's the only metaphor that's even sort of accurate. I take a moment to press my hands to my chest, getting used to the essence of my own existence.

    And then I turn my eyes upward, to the

    Power. Greatness. Grandeur.

    of the Palace of Olympus. The path up is a path and the idea of a path

    Journey. Travel. Conveyance.

    and to put one foot on it is to step off it at your destination. Interesting thing about Olympus is that unlike Valhalla there isn't an elect class of semi-divine soldiers on guard duty. Ares might favour a warrior in life but once they're dead they belong to Hades. Unless they end up in the Elysian Fields, but that's still in Erebos. To get a soldier here they'd have to experience apotheosis and then they'd be a bit above guard duty. Some way off a group of women are sitting at a scroll-covered table, pens in hand and talking animatedly to one another.

    Nice gardens. I imagine that they stay like that because-.

    "Paul."

    I smile as a familiar woman approaches. "Calliope. How have you been?"

    "Well enough. I have been spending time with my sisters, since… I gained my freedom. I trust that he-. The criminal-."

    "Will be spending the rest of his natural life in prison. After that, it's not up to mortal justice."

    She nods distractedly. "What brings you to Olympus?"

    "I'm here to talk to Lord Zeus. It might be advisable to get to a safe distance."

    "Ah?"

    "If things go badly."

    "I-. I will pass that on. Zeus holds court through-" She points into the palace. "-there. I… Believe that he may be expecting you."

    "Thank you. Be well."

    Her face falls slightly as I stride off in the direction she indicated. Thing about the palace is that it's ancient Greek palatial, designed for a people who would have to use burning torches if they had no natural light. Olympus had to be created in that mode, so even though everything is exaggerated, it's not… Overwhelming. Or all that large. For example, having gotten this far, there's only a relatively small antechamber before-

    "Ah, Lantern! Come! Come!"

    -I'm outside the throne room, pushing open the door and walking inside with the owner's

    Majesty. Power. Presence. Caged lightning. Gar.

    permission. I think that ordinarily my eyes would be drawn to the empty throne at the head of the room, but Zeus has-. So much happening, the conceptual links so strong and clear that I'm-. Ugh. Feeling more than a little off.

    "Oh? I'm mildly impressed. Lesser mortals have been struck dead from seeing me like this."

    His physical form-? It puts me in mind of Hades, for obvious reasons. The structure of the face makes the relationship obvious, though Zeus's hair is entirely white. Not grey, not mostly comprised of white hair while a few still have colour, no; the whole head of hair and neatly groomed beard are white. He's wearing a blue doric chiton under a purple himation, both accented with gold stitching. The gold theme carries on to his gold bracers and necklace, as well as the diadem on his head. And

    Wealth. Prosperity. Success. Power. Status.

    I understand why he's dressed as he is. I'm not completely clear why he's lounging on a klinē in the centre of a room next to a table upon which appears to be a light lunch. He's too conceptually unsubtle for me to have the meaning shoved into my brain. Still, there are a couple of other klinē around so perhaps he's just finished a meeting.

    I bow. "Lord Zeus. King of Olympus."

    "Come!" He gestures to the seat opposite him, not grinning exactly, but certainly smiling. "Come, sit."

    I don't know what he's up to, but there's no sense in being rude about it. I follow his directions-. And see as I get closer that he's not above pettiness. Unlike Hades, who is a little larger than most men because he can't get smaller, Zeus is about nine feet tall and without appearing to have been stretched out in the way that very tall humans sometimes do. And the furniture is sized for him, which means that it's a little too large for me to sit comfortably.

    "Thank you, my lord."

    "So I understand that I've got you waxing wroth, mortal man." He leans a short distance towards me, and it's like seeing a storm coming towards me while I'm wearing conductive clothing. "What exactly is your problem?"
     
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    • Ah, really leaning into the almost-alien weirdness that the gods have always been, under their human disguises. Looking forward to seeing how Zeus plans on getting out of this in one piece. They blended up a baby titan and had Heph do a keg stand, you can't just juice up a malcontent Olympian god and expect them not to stage a coup.
     
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