With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

Lord Ernest · Dec 10, 2024

Ngamer11 said:
The fact that Zeus can't access his powers shouldn't affect Paragon, so he'll probably need to be dealt with once he reveals his villainous intentions.

Wait, is that how Zeus has his power bound? Because I was under the impression that Hepheastean essentially did to Zeus what had happened to Klarion, disconnected him from his greater self, and so Zeus' power is bound in Olympus or in the Dreaming or something similar.

I didn't think that he had the equivalent to a divine limiter. Because that sounds like something that could be eventually worked around or removed.

Mr Zoat · Dec 10, 2024

Darko said:
"Hephaestaean"
"It's more"

Thank you, corrected.

I'm guessing that with all of the genocides the Axis were committing, the American auto industry couldn't have things manufactured in foreign countries because everyone there was dead.

Plus with racism being encouraged, having their products made by people they consider to be lesser could be frowned upon if not outright illegal.

"The genocides the National Socialists were committing. Can you imagine the Italians organising a genocide? People would die waiting."

Signaller said:
I'm surprised Cochin hasn't tried remote calling the ring yet.

He knows that his powers don't work with technology, and that knowing something isn't the same as grokking it.

Chojin Patriarch said:
Where do you want me?"

Thank you, corrected.

Wary of him getting near other powers, eh?

No. The SI doesn't know about that ability, having only seen him in one comic. If he was wearing his power retention suit then he might recognise him, but it wouldn't be a certainty.

Lord Ernest said:
Wait, is that how Zeus has his power bound? Because I was under the impression that Hepheastean essentially did to Zeus what had happened to Klarion, disconnected him from his greater self, and so Zeus' power is bound in Olympus or in the Dreaming or something similar.

I didn't think that he had the equivalent to a divine limiter. Because that sounds like something that could be eventually worked around or removed.

The SI feels no particular need to be honest with LexCorp employees on peripheral matters.

WereDragon · Dec 10, 2024

Mr Zoat said:
He takes a moment to absorb that. "That superhero in Massachusetts-. That's Zeus-Zeus."

I am honestly impressed, assuming Zeus is actually acting as a hero rather than just pretending so he can get laid.

Signaller said:
I'm surprised Cochin hasn't tried remote calling the ring yet.

He is currently enlightened enough to rationally consider the costs, risks and benefits of so blatantly making an enemy of the Orange Lantern corps and Justice League, rather than just blithely assuming his obvious superiority will let him get away with it.

Cuchulin · Dec 10, 2024

WereDragon said:
I am honestly impressed, assuming Zeus is actually acting as a hero rather than just pretending so he can get laid.

It's likely a mix of both those things and him trying to attract believers as part of a plan to eventually reclaim his position as King of the Greek Gods.

BartlettMagic · Dec 10, 2024

i know nothing about this Paragon character, aside from what i read in the DC wiki. is he one of those types where he would lose the enlightenment once he's outside of a certain range of OL? like the way to depower him is to stay away from him? or is he now permanently Orange Enlightened?

Bud-E · Dec 10, 2024

Does Paragon keep knowledge once he absorbs it? I see in the wiki that he has a few Nobel prizes. Does he have scientists locked in a basement somewhere, or does he always have access to knowledge while powers fade?

Ngamer11 · Dec 10, 2024

BartlettMagic said:
i know nothing about this Paragon character, aside from what i read in the DC wiki. is he one of those types where he would lose the enlightenment once he's outside of a certain range of OL? like the way to depower him is to stay away from him? or is he now permanently Orange Enlightened?

Based on his appearance in the Renegade timeline, he loses anything he gains once the person whom he's copying leaves his area of effect.

Mquz · Dec 10, 2024

Interesting… I'm imagining Detroit is still a major manufacturing center because manufacturing didn't get exported overseas. Possibly due to a desire for white supremacy. In which case, what did the Nazis do with India? Presumably China is part of Japan?

Ngamer11 · Dec 10, 2024

Mquz said:
Interesting… I'm imagining Detroit is still a major manufacturing center because manufacturing didn't get exported overseas. Possibly due to a desire for white supremacy. In which case, what did the Nazis do with India? Presumably China is part of Japan?

Don't know about China or Japan, but I remember something about depopulation bombs being dropped in India, basically rendering Hindu a dead religion.

Mr Zoat · Dec 10, 2024

BartlettMagic said:
i know nothing about this Paragon character, aside from what i read in the DC wiki. is he one of those types where he would lose the enlightenment once he's outside of a certain range of OL? like the way to depower him is to stay away from him? or is he now permanently Orange Enlightened?

He will lose it, but having experienced it once it might be easier for him to regain.

Bud-E said:
Does Paragon keep knowledge once he absorbs it? I see in the wiki that he has a few Nobel prizes. Does he have scientists locked in a basement somewhere, or does he always have access to knowledge while powers fade?

Fades. In the comics he built a suit that let him keep them for longer.

Locking them in a basement isn't necessary. He can just walk into any research institution and get their genius without anyone knowing.

Mquz said:
Interesting… I'm imagining Detroit is still a major manufacturing center because manufacturing didn't get exported overseas. Possibly due to a desire for white supremacy. In which case, what did the Nazis do with India? Presumably China is part of Japan?

Accidentally used an engineered disease which killed everyone. It's slowly being lebensraumed.

Darko · Dec 10, 2024

Ngamer11 said:
Don't know about China or Japan, but I remember something about depopulation bombs being dropped in India, basically rendering Hindu a dead religion.

Mr Zoat said:
Accidentally used an engineered disease which killed everyone. It's slowly being lebensraumed

If I remember correctly, Karl told Paul that they deployed a genetic weapon against the Chinese, but the various genetic markers the weapon targeted were also present in a large portion of the Indian population.

DAT_NOOB · Dec 10, 2024

Mr Zoat said:
He takes a moment to absorb that. "That superhero in Massachusetts-. That's Zeus-Zeus."

When did he decide to be a superhero?

BlackCoat13 · Dec 10, 2024

Mr Zoat said:
No. The SI doesn't know about that ability, having only seen him in one comic. If he was wearing his power retention suit then he might recognise him, but it wouldn't be a certainty.

Seems a bit odd that the MC doesn't notice him being enlightened. You'd think he'd comment on it, due to the relative rarity of meeting Enlightened individuals. I recall that Red / Rage Enlightened English... cop? from way back who the MC notices had reached Enlightenment all on his own purely through focusing his rage on the things he could actually affect. In addition to more magically inclined types like Siskins (Yellow), Dr. Life (White), and Orange (That other Orange Lantern the MC trained up into Enlightenment to prove it could be done). It's not like Paul doesn't notice other Enlightened individuals, he can see their slightly aberrant nature.

Ryumancer · Dec 10, 2024

BlackCoat13 said:
Seems a bit odd that the MC doesn't notice him being enlightened. You'd think he'd comment on it, due to the relative rarity of meeting Enlightened individuals. I recall that Red / Rage Enlightened English... cop? from way back who the MC notices had reached Enlightenment all on his own purely through focusing his rage on the things he could actually affect. In addition to more magically inclined types like Siskins (Yellow), Dr. Life (White), and Orange (That other Orange Lantern the MC trained up into Enlightenment to prove it could be done). It's not like Paul doesn't notice other Enlightened individuals, he can see their slightly aberrant nature.

Mr Zoat said:
That's a little irritating. If I'd realised that someone on Mr. Luthor's staff was enlightened then I'd have tried recruiting them. Or at least hired them to help me with training. As it is, someone working in something called 'Special Projects' has probably been involved in enough dodgy things that would make me cautious to employ him; nothing about being enlightened requires you to be a good person.

He actually does comment on it!

BlackCoat13 · Dec 10, 2024

Ah. My bad.

ShadowScion626 · Dec 11, 2024

When everyone was talking about Paragon needing to get taken down, I was so confused because I'm used to talking about Paragon and Renegade in terms of which Paul it is. I was wondering when the thread decided Paragon Paul needed to die and what the hell happened that I missed which made them decide that.

Mr Zoat · Dec 11, 2024

1st May 2013
18:13 GMT

The guard opens the door for me, opens his mouth to announce me, then sees who he'd be announcing me to and stops, his mouth hanging open.

I walk up behind him and slide him out of the way with my right foreleg before proceeding into the room.

"Close your mouth, turn around, walk out." Above Your Pay Grade

"Yessir."

I smile at the assembled royalty: Celestia sitting on a love seat with King Sombra, Egyptian Celestia and Luna on settees that have been carried in from somewhere and don't quite fit in with everything else.

"Thank you all for agreeing to meet with me."

Celestia smiles. "Luna said that you have a matter of great importance to discuss with us."

"Yes. I want to take a closer look at your brain."

Celestia's head tilts slightly to the side, and her mouth hanging open a little. "A-h..?"

"Your brain. It's the organ inside your skull that lets you think."

"I… Thought that you were going to ask something else."

I blink. "What?"

King Sombra smiles. "She thought that you were going to tell us that you were getting married to your Princess Luna."

"Oh. Ah, no." I sigh. "Man, I wish. Unfortunately, my father hasn't tripped down the stairs and broken his neck, so our marriage plans are on indefinite hold."

Egyptian Luna frowns. "Is that how your people usually do things?"

Luna's voice with modern diction. I'm glad that it's that easy to tell them apart.

"No. But my father is a total monster and I don't have a reliable way to prevent him… Can you imagine something that the opposite of the Elements of Harmony? Where you get a group of living misery broadcasters together and hollow out all of the target's capacity for joy and hope and kindness and… So on?"

"Perhaps…"

"That's what my father does just by standing there. He's really good at it, and I'm pretty sure that me marrying Luna would set him off. So, your brai-."

Egyptian Celestia looks puzzled. "Are you hiding from him?"

"No, he knows where I am, which is Earth. He-. I think he's leaving me alone because he's curious how I escaped the first time and wants to see what I'm going to do. And probably to wind up my brother Kalibak. But the moment I make it clear that I'm not taking him into account with my actions, I'm pretty confident that he'll escalate. Last time he did… It wasn't pleasant. That was at least part of the reason I came here the first time."

"Does he know about Equestria?" / "Does he know about Equestria?"

Both Celestia's ask at the same time, and I smile. "I don't.. think so, but that's more an assumption based on the fact that he hasn't tried ruining Equestria than any knowledge I've derived from actual evidence. Any assistance you're able to provide in killing him would be greatly appreciated, but if we could return to the subject of why I'm here..?"

The local Celestia nods. "Our brains. The organs which we use to think."

"I'm worried about them."

She smiles faintly. "I hope you don't want us to give them to you for safe keeping."

"I'm worried that the equine brain isn't designed to cope with the sort of span an alicorn can live. I'm worried that you can't retain a thousand plus years of memories, and that that might cause… Problems."

The Celestia who knows me better takes a deep breath. "I wasn't aware that you were so worried about me."

I frown. "If you weren't aware, why were you planning on abdicating in favour of Twilight? I sort of assumed that you were worried too, and that was why."

Egyptian Celestia jerks her head around to stare at her doppelgänger. "You're abdicating?"

Celestia smiles, reaching out to Sombra with her left forehoof. He takes it with both of his in what is probably a romantic gesture but just looks awkward without hands. "Yes. I originally planned to travel the world with Luna and reconnect after our separation, but with Grayven and Sombra our plans changed."

I give her a stern looks. "Your plans changed. Please don't assume that you can plan for Luna without talking to her first."

Egyptian Luna snorts. "Does your Celestia still do that? I finally broke mine of the habit nine hundred years ago."

Celestia looks at Egyptian curiously, while her alter ego awkwardly ducks under her head. "You had to bring that up."

"I was complimenting you. It only took you a hundred and twenty years, but eventually you remembered that we were supposed to plan things together." Then she ducks her head too. "Though I have nothing but regret for the things we planned together, it was nice to be included."

Oh yeah, she was evil, wasn't she? By default, not as the result of a psychotic break. But we're getting off topic.

"I don't really know what a brain looks like when it can't keep up with the data it's been fed. Usually, very long lived species like mine have their own mechanisms for coping with it. But there are a few people who extend their own lives a long time, and not being able to remember large parts of their own lives is fairly common."

I thought that the momentary flashes Vandal Savage gave me was a problem with my own ability to retain his memories. But as far as the interstellar records I've been able to access suggest, that was how he remembered his own life. He'd just go to a place he didn't remember visiting and things would start to come back to him in headache-inducing flashes.

Celestia looks at me dubiously. "And you think that you can improve our memories by changing our brains?"

"Sort of. Firstly, I'd like to check that it's actually happening, which would involve getting a few experts together to study your thought processes. My first idea was to give you quantum wafer memory expansion implants, but those are really only designed for holding data, not for being part of your normal thought processes."

"I don't have any problem like that." King Sombra shrugs. "I don't exactly have a brain."

"Huh?"

"I'm a manifested umbrum. My true form is a sort of magic construct, a spectral elemental body. I look a little like a changeling made of blown glass." He frowns thoughtfully. "I hadn't really thought about it before, but I suppose that my memories must be stored as a matrix of magic energy rather than… However brains normally store them."

I grin. "I thought something like that could work! This is ever better! If we can teach these three to do the same thing, then-."

Something-. Jerks, like-. Like the world goes sideways for a moment. Despite Luna's nudges I've only learned a little of pony magic, and my horns, wings and hooves are tingling. The Egyptian duo look similarly out of sorts, and just as puzzled by it as I feel.

Celestia on the other hand smiles. "Oh."

I frown. "What was that?"

"An ascension."

I frown deeper. "It wasn't like that when Sunset did it."

"Sunset is a mistress of thaumaturgy. That felt more like it was with Cadance and Twilight." She stands from her chair, Sombra following suit. "Shall we go and see who it is?"

1st May 2013
18:18 GMT

Rarity, Applejack, and Scootaloo's parents glare at me.

I try to look innocent.

"I swear, this wasn't me."

"Cutie Mark Crusaders Alicorn Princesses, yay!"

NightmareWarden · Dec 11, 2024

Twilight. The palace guards cannot be trusted with ANYthing. As Celestia's heir, please recognize that their existence is one of her top ten worst mistakes.

Rebu · Dec 11, 2024

Are Egyptian Luna and Celestia original characters for this story?

And if so I assume they're from an alternate universe?

Darko · Dec 11, 2024

Mr Zoat said:
Oh. Ah, no." I sigh. "Man, I wish. Unfortunately, my father hasn't tripped down the stairs and broken his neck, so our marriage plans are on indefinite hold."

Egyptian Luna frowns. "Is that how your people usually do things?"

Probably.

Mr Zoat said:
"No. But my father is a total monster and I don't have a reliable way to prevent him

Crashing your wedding.

I'm reminded of that time a Trigon possessed Raven attacked Dick and Kori's wedding.

Mr Zoat said:
leaving me along

"leaving me alone"

Mr Zoat said:
an spectral elemental

"a spectral"

Mr Zoat said:
"I swear, this wasn't me

Everyone: Bullshit, it was you!

Renegade: And how do you figure that?

Everyone: Because it's always you!

Renegade: And it will always be me!!!

Breadnaught · Dec 11, 2024

Mr Zoat said:
I thought that the momentary flashes Vandal Savage gave me was a problem with my own ability to retain his memories. But as far as the interstellar records I've been able to access suggest, that was how he remembered his own life. He'd just go to a place he didn't remember visiting and things would start to come back to him in headache-inducing flashes.

Ah, Highlander style memory flashbacks.

Turns out they're not just an exposition tool for the audience, they're how a normal human meat-brain deals with immortal memories!

Neruz · Dec 11, 2024

NightmareWarden said:
Twilight. The palace guards cannot be trusted with ANYthing. As Celestia's heir, please recognize that their existence is one of her top ten worst mistakes.

They can be trusted to look good and make everything seem appropriately official, ensuring that the common pony can feel confident and assured that everything is well in hand and under control by ponies who know what they are doing.

ForeverShogo · Dec 11, 2024

Egyptian Celestia and Luna are from a comicbook storyline. One involving a mirror universe where they were villains and Sombra was a good king trying to protect Mirror Equestria from their tyranny.

For whatever reason, the evil versions of Celestia and Luna had an Egyptian aesthetic. They even had a pyramid, and their guards had the Egyptian look too.

They became good because the good version of Sombra basically absorbed their evil at the cost of becoming evil, but fled into the wilderness before he fully changed in the hope he wouldn't cause problems for anyone.

In this story, Grayven fixed him in a way that negates any "need" for anyone to be an evil villain. Celestia is happy about this because normal Celestia and the good version of Sombra were lovers.

Though in the comic she couldn't really visit him much because apparently abusing the mirror to travel between the two realities destabilized them in a way that threatened to destroy them both. In this story I'm sure she gets to use boom tubes or something to get around that.

Chojin Patriarch · Dec 11, 2024

Mr Zoat said:
1st May 2013
18:13 GMT

The guard opens the door for me, opens his mouth to announce me, then sees who he'd be announcing me to and stops, his mouth hanging open.

I walk up behind him and slide him out of the way with my right foreleg before proceeding into the room.

For a second, I half expected Celestia to be in a rather embarrassing position with someone. Certainly, if she could get that sort of time with her beau, she almost certainly would indulge if she could. It's good to be the ~~King~~ Princess, after all.

"Close your mouth, turn around, walk out." Above Your Pay Grade.

"Yessir."

I suspect once he's out of their sight, he'll be offering a few prayers of thanks toward the Renegade for dodging a very awkward situation.

I smile at the assembled royalty: Celestia sitting on a love seat with King Sombra, Egyptian Celestia and Luna on settees that have been carried in from somewhere and don't quite fit in with everything else.

"Thank you all for agreeing to meet with me."

I wouldn't be surprised to find they brought them along with them, just to ensure they had the comfiest seats possible.

Celestia smiles. "Luna said that you have a matter of great importance to discuss with is."

"Yes. I want to take a closer look at your brain."

Celestia's head tilts slightly to the side, and her mouth hanging open a little. "A-h..?"

If she reacts like that to more things, I'd find a quick examination a must-do right fast.

"Your brain. It's the organ inside your skull that lets you think."

"I… Thought that you were going to ask something else."

What, like asking for Luna's hoof in marriage? That's hers to give away, so any 'request' on that front would be a courtesy call.

I blink. "What?"

King Sombra smiles. "She thought that you were going to tell us that you were getting married to your Princess Luna."

To be fair, I half suspect the Renegade and Luna would simply elope to avoid the economy-depressing cost of a royal wedding.

"Oh. Ah, no." I sigh. "Man, I wish. Unfortunately, my father hasn't tripped down the stairs and broken his neck, so our marriage plans are on indefinite hold."

Egyptian Luna frowns. "Is that how your people usually do things?"

It is when said father is the literal New God of Tyranny, and takes great delight in crushing happiness in others.

Luna's voice with modern diction. I'm glad that it's that easy to tell them apart.

"No. But my father is a total monster and I don't have a reliable way to prevent him… Can you imagine something that the opposite of the Elements of Harmony? Where you get a group of living misery broadcasters together and hollow out all of the target's capacity for joy and hope and kindness and… So on?"

Good to know there won't be any sort of twin confusion plots going on there. I expect Renegade could also tell them apart by the shape of their souls, if he poked.

"Perhaps…"

"That's what my father does just by standing there. He's really good at it, and I'm pretty sure that me marrying Luna would set him off. So, your brai-."

Egyptian Celestia looks puzzled. "Are you hiding from him?"

He also likes to utterly ruin people's comfy couches by permanently moulding them to the shape of His ass when He stops by.

But that's kind of minor in comparison to total universal spiritual domination.

"No, he knows where I am, which is Earth. He-. I think he's leaving me along because he's curious how I escaped the first time and wants to see what I'm going to do. And probably to wind up my brother Kalibak. But the moment I make it clear that I'm not taking him into account with my actions, I'm pretty confident that he'll escalate. Last time he did… It wasn't pleasant. That was at least part of the reason I came here the first time."

Near-comatose for several days, and emotionally off-kilter for weeks afterwards.

Yes, not something you want a repeat of.

"Does he know about Equestria?" / "Does he know about Equestria?"

Both Celestia's ask at the same time, and I smile. "I don't.. think so, but that's more an assumption based on the fact that he hasn't tried ruining Equestria than any knowledge I've derived from actual evidence. Any assistance you're able to provide in killing him would be greatly appreciated, but if we could return to the subject of why I'm here..?"

Or He's simply biding His time until He can crush them utterly with minimal effort. It might take a century or two, but eventually...

The local Celestia nods. "Our brains. The organs which we use to think."

"I'm worried about them."

She smiles faintly. "I hope you don't want us to give them to you for safe keeping."

I'd crack a joke about you not using it sometimes, but that's only a few moments across multiple years chronicled on-screen.

"I'm worried that the equine brain isn't designed to cope with the sort of span an alicorn can live. I'm worried that you can't retain a thousand plus years of memories, and that that might cause… Problems."

The Celestia who knows me better takes a deep breath. "I wasn't aware that you were so worried about me."

It's a proprietorial thing. Once he can marry Luna, you'll be part of his family. Of course he's going to make sure you're healthy and hale.

I frown. "If you weren't aware, why were you planning on abdicating in favour of Twilight? I sort of assumed that you were worried too, and that was why."

Egyptian Celestia jerks her head around to stare at her doppelgänger. "You're abdicating?"

Probably unthinkable to her, being a dictator-for-life and eternal god-queen...

Celestia smiles, reaching out to Sombra with her left forehoof. He takes it with both of his in what is probably a romantic gesture but just looks awkward without hands. "Yes. I originally planned to travel the world with Luna and reconnect after our separation, but with Grayven and Sombra our plans changed."

Always odd to see such human body language on pastel-coloured horses. Still, it's likely to allow the young viewers at home to 'get' the context of the interaction.

I give her a stern looks. "Your plans changed. Please don't assume that you can plan for Luna without talking to her first."

Egyptian Luna snorts. "Does your Celestia still do that? I finally broke mine of the habit nine hundred years ago."

To be fair, you've been around for all of that thousand years. You've proved yourself an equal and capable co-ruler.

Celestia looks at Egyptian curiously, while her alter ego awkwardly ducks under her head. "You had to bring that up."

"I was complimenting you. It only took you a hundred and twenty years, but eventually you remembered that we were supposed to plan things together." Then she ducks her head too. "Though I have nothing but regret for the things we planned together, it was nice to be included."

Ah, they got a dose of Harmony that sorted out any moral conflicts they might have had with the rest of the world? <Spots @ForeverShogo's post> Right, that works too.

Oh yeah, she was evil, wasn't she? By default, not as the result of a psychotic break. But we're getting off topic.

"I don't really know what a brain looks like when it can't keep up with the data it's been fed. Usually, very long lived species like mine have their own mechanisms for coping with it. But there are a few people who extend their own lives a long time, and not being able to remember large parts of their own lives is fairly common."

Human nature, of course. Even after half a century, things can start to get confused and fuzzy at the least for some people...

I thought that the momentary flashes Vandal Savage gave me was a problem with my own ability to retain his memories. But as far as the interstellar records I've been able to access suggest, that was how he remembered his own life. He'd just go to a place he didn't remember visiting and things would start to come back to him in headache-inducing flashes.

Doesn't excuse his overall thuggery, but constantly getting annoying flashbacks to previous visits to a place probably do explain his grumpier moments.

Celestia looks at me dubiously. "And you think that you can improve our memories by changing our brains?"

"Sort of. Firstly, I'd like to check that it's actually happening, which would involve getting a few experts together to study your thought processes. My first idea was to give you quantum wafer memory expansion implants, but those are really only designed for holding data, not for being part of your normal thought processes."

And thus probably not great at the emotional context of such things. More akin to a first-person video recording than actual memories?

"I don't have any problem like that." King Sombra shrugs. "I don't exactly have a brain."

"Huh?"

Ah, right. Giant cloud of shadow-magic that sometimes chooses to look like a scary horse.

"I'm a manifested Umbrum. My true form is a sort of magic construct, an spectral elemental body. I look a little like a changeling made of blown glass." He frowns thoughtfully. "I hadn't really thought about it before, but I suppose that my memories must be stored as a matrix of magic energy rather than… However brains normally store them."

So much like how the Renegade is doing things, and how Apokaliptians and New Genisisians do it, I guess?

I grin. "I thought something like that could work! This is ever better! If we can teach these three to do the same thing, then-."

Something-. Jerks, like-. Like the world goes sideways for a moment. Despite Luna's nudges I've only learned a little of pony magic, and my horns, wings and hooves are tingling. The Egyptian duo look similarly out of sorts, and just as puzzled by it as I feel.

I see he's Alicorn enough to feel things like an Alicorn.

Also, what the fricking hell was that?

Celestia on the other hand smiles. "Oh."

I frown. "What was that?"

Oooh, that's a surprising burst of Hope from Celestia.

"An ascension."

I frown deeper. "It wasn't like that when Sunset did it."

"Sunset is a mistress of thaumaturgy. That felt more like it was with Cadance and Twilight." She stands from her chair, Sombra following suit. "Shall we go and see who it is?"

So someone spontaneously managed to surpass their mortal limits and... Oh. Oh, noooo...

1st May 2013
18:18 GMT

Rarity, Applejack, and Scootaloo's parents glare at me.

...Good grief. You brought this on yourself, Renegade by hinting to Scootaloo it was possible.

I try to look innocent.

"I swear, this wasn't me."

"Cutie Mark Crusaders Alicorn Princesses, yay!"

And this would be a great moment for the Renegade to simply start thumping his head against the nearest sturdy wall.

Well, that's a way to end a segment.

I shudder to imagine how they managed this, since I doubt Sweetie Belle was good enough at thaumaturgy to perform the necessary spells. Or did they just go out looking for some ancient magical power source and keep poking it until... Well. And I find myself wondering if they managed to get Cutie Marks or not out of this...

Mr Zoat · Dec 11, 2024

Darko said:
"leaving me alone"
"a spectral"

Rebu said:
Thank you, corrected.
Are Egyptian Luna and Celestia original characters for this story?

And if so I assume they're from an alternate universe?

They're from the comics.

Azure Mirage · Dec 11, 2024

Mr Zoat said:
"Cutie Mark Crusaders Alicorn Princesses, yay!"

My, oh my. I know Lauren Faust wanted all the Mane 6 to become Alicorns; but this, whew, the populace likely is going to be filled with alicorns in the future now that ol' Grayven is mucking about with Sunset in the field of ascension.

WereDragon · Dec 11, 2024

Mr Zoat said:
"Cutie Mark Crusaders Alicorn Princesses, yay!"

Children with the power of gods. Another thing Grayven will need to dedicate time to babysitting.

Wonder what artefact they got their hooves on to power it.

Mr Zoat · Dec 11, 2024

Azure Mirage said:
My, oh my. I know Lauren Faust wanted all the Mane 6 to become Alicorns; but this, whew, the populace likely is going to be filled with alicorns in the future now that ol' Grayven is mucking about with Sunset in the field of ascension.

I thought she considered Celestia and Luna to be unique and that ascension wasn't a thing.

I quick Google only finds the 'Twilight won't outlive her friends' comment, which... Isn't as uplifting as you might at first assume.

Neruz · Dec 11, 2024

Mr Zoat said:
I thought she considered Celestia and Luna to be unique and that ascension wasn't a thing.

There's evidence that she basically went back and forth; the first drawing of Princess Twilight was as an alicorn, but Lauren later said on Twitter that she did not plan to have Twilight become an Alicorn and that Celestia and Luna were both born as alicorns.

Most likely she considered many possibilities and ultimately discarded some of them, but others had their own opinions on the subject.

Wivk · Dec 11, 2024

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