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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

Supnautica (part 10) New
6th May 2013
23:58 GMT


So while the Fish-Eaters are busy doing reconnaissance, I've got other work do to.

The Atlanteans all want to go home. Several sounded less than enthusiastic about staying there permanently, but they all prefer returning to permanent exile. To buy a little time I dropped them off with Ted in New York, and from there they can return home once US-Atlantis relations have stabilised.

Which leaves us out of magicians.

"Um."

Next to me, Lantern Hieronymous looks down nervously on his homeworld. His skin is an unusual shade of pale blue, quite close to that of the grundymen, actually. He has fat silver hoops through each of his earlobes, a thin moustache and long brown hair which he wears combed back and hanging loose. For clothing he's picked an odd combination of Orange Lantern Corps formal robes and something an 18th century French aristocrat might wear on a formal occasion. I'm assuming that it's something rich people from his homeworld might wear, and even though it costs effectively nothing to a Lantern, he still considers it important.

"If you've got any outstanding warrants, now is the time to tell me."

"No! No. No, I never did anything important enough to get-. I mean! Of course not." He grins awkwardly and unconvincingly. "Whatever gave you that idea?"

"Your terrible acting. Look, Lantern Ragnar literally murdered a dozen or so people before joining up. Zartok lead a war of conquest which killed thousands at the very least. From the sounds of things you haven't done anything on that level."

"Well not objectively, no."

"'Objectively' is fairly important."

"I always wanted to do something important, it just never seemed to… Shake out. I thought being the most powerful wizard in the Orange Lantern Corps would be that thing, and then it turned out that all of those Atlanteans knew more than me. And now they're gone, and I'm back here to get some replacements."

"Did you take the opportunity to borrow the Atlanteans' manuals while they were here?"

He looks pained. "I was… Busy."

"Did you copy it onto your ring?"

"Some parts."

"Have you considered researching your species neural physiology and increasing your motivation manually?"

He blinks. "I can do that?"

"You can do anything you want. But if that's a bit much, one of my species' goddesses of intellect recently got freed from her prison and would probably be prepared to make a pact with you."

"And what does she want in return?"

"Animal livers, apparently. She might want more for a major blessing."

"But your homeworld is a long way away-. Hukh!"

I blink in surprise. He… Just got so demotivated that his environmental shield glitched. And now he's bent over in space, trying to get his breath back.

I know that magic users are rare on a galactic scale, but was this really the best we could do?

"Let's get you into the atmosphere, shall we?"

I fly downwards, careful to avoid looking too hard at anything magical-looking. We're coming here as petitioners and not as equals, after all. Ahri'ahn burning my eyes to ash is something I could take him to task on. If Queen Artemis does it, I've just got to grin and bear it.

"What can you tell me about the queen?"

"She's blonde? Mostly. Blonde and purple. I always assumed that she dyes it, but she's really good at magic so it might be an illusion or she might have altered her follicles."

"Anything pertinent?"

"She has no sense of humour. At all."

"Ah. Now, do you mean that she didn't laugh when you made a joke, or-."

"No! I mean, she wouldn't have, but when would I ever meet the Queen? She did the graduation speech at my university, but she left well before my diploma was awarded. It's just not a thing that she has."

We're through the clouds now, the strangely primitive capital city spread out below us. It looks medieval, but it's a lot cleaner and has a lot more stonework and glass than an actual medieval city would have had. We-.

Oh, that felt weird. I breached some sort of ward, and-. And by 'breached' I mean I think it failed when I passed through it. People in armour are mustering around the palace and four wyvern riders just mounted up and started flying our way.

I stop in the air and wait for them to arrive. Far more sensible than continuing an approach when they're braced for hostilities. In fact… I create a seat for myself and sit on it.

"Should I do that?"

"If you want to, yes. If you don't, no."

"But should I?"

"I fear that you have failed to understand my previous answer."

One of the wyvern-rider approaches to within shouting distance. "Ho, strangers! State your business!"

"I am the Illustres of the Orange Lantern Corps. I seek an audience with Queen Artemis to negotiate the hiring of a large number of your people's wizards."

A helmet that looks like its made of steel plate turns towards Hieronymous. "And you?"

"I live here."

The helmeted head stares at him for a moment.

"Why are you blue?"

Hieronymous seems mildly offended. "That's.. a.. fairly personal question to ask someone, don't you think?"

"Do you actually need to know?"

"Do you know?"

"I assumed that's what people on this planet look like."

He reaches up and pulls off his helmet… And he's got skin that's basically the same colour as mine. Honestly, if I didn't know this wasn't Earth I'd mistake him for human.

"We don't. I just want to make sure that he's not a lich before I take you to the palace."

"Since I'm not a magician myself I can't really check, but as far as I can tell all his organs are working as if he were alive."

"Alright then." He gives Hieronymous a suspicious look, and Hieronymous tries to avoid looking like a reanimated corpse. "Please follow me down, and someone will inform the queen that you're here."
 
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Whatever gave you that idea?"

The series of words you previously uttered.

"Your terrible acting. Look, Lantern Ragnar literally murdered a dozen or so people before joining up.

Technically that was completely legal from where he's from.

Zartok lead a war of conquest which killed thousands at the very least. From the sounds of things you haven't done anything on that level."

Yeah, but you're not bringing him to the worlds of the people he killed.

"You can do anything you want. But if that's a bit much, one of my species' goddesses of intellect recently got freed from her prison and would probably be prepared to make a pact with you."

"And what does she want in return?"

"Animal livers, apparently

Well when you've been trapped and didn't have anything to eat, food becomes very important.

"Anything pertinent?"

"She has no sense of humour. At all."

Or she just doesn't find you funny.

it's a lot cleaner and has a lot more stonework and glass that an actual

"than an actual"


"reaches"
 
OK, now I'm wondering when Hieronymous got introduced. Of course, the name is unusual enough that if I look it up, I probably won't get too many false positive... I hope.
You won't. He first appeared when OL needed a thorough med exam after recreating his body from what I think was qwa-matter or something similar, and didn't get all of his soul. After getting his soul back, he was examined by Hieronymous, Soranik Natu, and Nax.
 
That's not necessarily true.

The spirits could have just been non-daemonic Warp beings, but with Chaos making its moves against them, plus the fact that they became daemons after they were attacked, could point to them being corrupted either by Chaos or by the negative emotions of the Thousand Sons.
No, the Tutelaries were very explicitly Daemons of Tzeentch playing a long con.

To us with all our knowledge about Chaos, this is really fucking obvious because this is what Tutelaries looked like:

Tutelary.jpg

Yeah. That's literally just a Screamer. The Thousand Sons were using Screamers as familiar spirits and the Emperor didn't realize this because his knowledge of Chaos was limited and he simply did not know what Screamers were, and\or they were able to disguise their true nature from him.


Remember; the Emperor did not have the Warhammer rulebooks to read through and tell him all the lore about the Chaos Gods, he had to figure everything out himself, and the Chaos Gods very explicitly actively prevent true knowledge about their forms and capabilities from spreading. They invest quite a lot of power into making sure that any information about them is either destroyed or corrupted, and stunts like what Tzeentch pulled with the Tutelaries explains why they do this; surprise is one of their greatest tools.
 
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6th May 2013
23:58 GMT


So while the Fish-Eaters are busy doing reconnaissance, I've got other work do to.

The Atlanteans all want to go home. Several sounded less than enthusiastic about staying there permanently, but they all prefer returning to permanent exile. To buy a little time I dropped them off with Ted in New York, and from there they can return home once US-Atlantis relations have stabilised.
And if the situation changes suddenly before then, well, a quick return trip should see them right. And given OL is involved, sudden changes tend to be the norm. Often with explosions or people flying around punching each other...

Which leaves us out of magicians.

"Um."
Well, one guy left. But I get the feeling he is woefully under-equipped for the task.

Next to me, Lantern Hieronymous looks down nervously on his homeworld. His skin is an unusual shade of pale blue, quite close to that of the grundymen, actually. He has fat silver hoops through each of his earlobes, a thin moustache and long brown hair which he wears combed back and hanging loose. For clothing he's picked an odd combination of Orange Lantern Corps formal robes and something an 18th century French aristocrat might wear on a formal occasion. I'm assuming that it's something rich people from his homeworld might wear, and even though it costs effectively nothing to a Lantern, he still considers it important.
After all, hard to impose a standardised uniform on people who are powered by their own desires, including the desire to look fabulous.

"If you've got any outstanding warrants, now is the time to tell me."

"No! No. No, I never did anything important enough to get-. I mean! Of course not." He grins awkwardly and unconvincingly. "Whatever gave you that idea?"
Well, I can guess his motivations for joining: Fame, power and presumably riches. That's what you expect from someone known in the comics as 'Hieronymous the Under-Achiever.'

"Your terrible acting. Look, Lantern Ragnar literally murdered a dozen or so people before joining up. Zartok lead a war of conquest which killed thousands at the very least. From the sounds of things you haven't done anything on that level."

"Well not objectively, no."
Then again, such accomplishments aren't always legal in some places. The Corps has never been picky on that front, mind.

"'Objectively' is fairly important."

"I always wanted to do something important, it just never seemed to… Shake out. I thought being the most powerful wizard in the Orange Lantern Corps would be that thing, and then it turned out that all of those Atlanteans knew more than me. And now they're gone, and I'm back here to get some replacements."
Not a fun time for him, then.

"Did you take the opportunity to borrow the Atlanteans' manuals while they were here?"

He looks pained. "I was… Busy."
Your own fault, then. Seriously, most advanced tool in the universe, you could make a few OCR scans of the texts?

"Did you copy it onto your ring?"

"Some parts."
Ah, good. Presumably the parts easiest to perform without effort, I bet.

"Have you considered researching your species neural physiology and increasing your motivation manually?"

He blinks. "I can do that?"
Like, via biochemical adjustments? Best to make a detailed scan of the pre-procedure brain and have someone else with a copy just in case.

"You can do anything you want. But if that's a bit much, one of my species' goddesses of intellect recently got freed from her prison and would probably be prepared to make a pact with you."

"And what does she want in return?"
Metis might be a little embarrassed to have one such as him as a worshipper. 😏 He seems the sort to bring down the whole tone of her cult.

"Animal livers, apparently. She might want more for a major blessing."

"But your homeworld is a long way away-. Hukh!"
😨 ...Did he just get so depressed he lost all desire for a second?

I blink in surprise. He… Just got so demotivated that his environmental shield glitched. And how he's bent over in space, trying to get his breath back.

I know that magic users are rare on a galactic scale, but was this really the best we could do?
Man may want to take to wearing auxiliary survival gear, fashion or no fashion. And sadly, not every world can have a magic tradition as strong as, say, the Planet of the Sorcerors.

"Let's get you into the atmosphere, shall we?"

I fly downwards, careful to avoid looking too hard at anything magical-looking. We're coming here as petitioners and not as equals, after all. Ahri'ahn burning my eyes to ash is something I could take him to task on. If Queen Artemis does it, I've just got to grin and bare it.
Though I would hope their countermeasures aren't quite so lethal on first offence.

"What can you tell me about the queen?"

"She's blonde? Mostly. Blonde and purple. I always assumed that she dyes it, but she's really good at magic so it might be an illusion or she might have altered her follicles."
Or, in true comic book fashion, she just has multicoloured hair...

"Anything pertinent?"

"She has no sense of humour. At all."
I get the feeling his perspective may be a little skewed by personal experiences...

"Ah. Now, do you mean that she didn't laugh when you made a joke, or-."

"No! I mean, she wouldn't have, but when would I ever meet the Queen? She did the graduation speech at my university, but she left well before my diploma was awarded. It's just not a thing that she has."
Okay, so it's common knowledge. Hopefully she's generally even-minded, then, and not full-on 'Queen of Hearts' turn-on-a-dime moods.

We're through the clouds now, the strangely primitive capital city spread out below us. It looks medieval, but it's a lot cleaner and has a lot more stonework and glass that an actual medieval city would have had. We-.

Oh, that felt weird. I breached some sort of ward, and-. And by 'breached' I mean I think it failed when I passed through it. People in armour are mustering around the palace and four wyvern riders just mounted up and started flying our way.
'Failed' because it was some kind of alert sensor, or failed because of a quirk of his unusual spiritual make-up? 🤔 I could see a standing detection spell not being able to cope with his concealment tattoos...

I stop in the air and wait for them to arrive. Far more sensible that continuing an approach when they're braced for hostilities. In fact… I create a seat for myself and sit on it.

"Should I do that?"

"If you want to, yes. If you don't, no."
And when he says 'want', he means it. What with the whole desire-based power source and all. :p

"But should I?"

"I fear that you have failed to understand my previous answer."
That seems to be a running theme with Hieronymous the Under-Achiever.

One of the wyvern-rider approaches to within shouting distance. "Ho, strangers! State your business!"

"I am the Illustres of the Orange Lantern Corps. I seek an audience with Queen Artemis to negotiate the hiring of a large number of your people's wizards."
Since this is one of the few magic-using cultures he has easy contact with. I doubt the aforementioned Sorceror's World would return his calls.

A helmet that looks like its made of steel plate turns towards Hieronymous. "And you?"

"I live here."
Now we get to see if he has any outstanding warrants or not...

The helmeted head stares at him for a moment.

"Why are you blue?"
...I was not expecting that response.

Hieronymous seems mildly offended. "That's.. a.. fairly personal question to ask someone, don't you think?"

"Do you actually need to know?"
I'm guessing some manner of magical accident in his youth, or, much like 'Wicked's Elphaba, a random mutation.

"Do you know?"

"I assumed that's what people on this planet look like."
I guess Hieronymous here is atypical of his species, then.

He reach up and pulls off his helmet… And he's got skin that's basically the same colour as mine. Honestly, if I didn't know this wasn't Earth I'd mistake him for human.

"We don't. I just want to make sure that he's not a lich before I take you to the palace."
That's a reasonable precaution. As for the colouring, I suppose we have the writers of those issues of the late-noughties 'Booster Gold' series to thank for yet another near-human alien species in the DC Universe.

"Since I'm not a magician myself I can't really check, but as far as I can tell all his organs are working as if he were alive."

"Alright them." He gives Hieronymous a suspicious look, and Hieronymous tries to avoid looking like a reanimated corpse. "Please follow me down, and someone will inform the queen that you're here."
Well, minor diplomatic peril averted... For now.

I've got to love Mr Zoat's talent for finding such obscure characters and making good use of them. Hieronymous is so incidental in the story he appears in, he doesn't even have a DC Wiki entry. Still, at least he's finally getting a chance to be significant here, even if it's as a particularly underwhelming example of an Orange Lantern. 😅

And how he's bent over in space, trying to get his breath back.
And now he's bent over in space, trying to get his breath back.
If Queen Artemis does it, I've just got to grin and bare it.
If Queen Artemis does it, I've just got to grin and bear it.
Far more sensible that continuing an approach...
Far more sensible than continuing an approach...
 
Ahh, Hieronymous turned himself blue to attract another member of the Corps or one of the Darkstars, that's respectable. Or that's my theory, anyway. Not too confident much Orange was in that decision though, could have been fear of dying alone, fear of rejection due to his appearance, some green will about establishing an identity for himself that is better than his previous one…
 
I've got to love Mr Zoat's talent for finding such obscure characters and making good use of them. Hieronymous is so incidental in the story he appears in, he doesn't even have a DC Wiki entry. Still, at least he's finally getting a chance to be significant here, even if it's as a particularly underwhelming example of an Orange Lantern.
Ahh, Hieronymous turned himself blue to attract another member of the Corps or one of the Darkstars, that's respectable. Or that's my theory, anyway. Not too confident much Orange was in that decision though, could have been fear of dying alone, fear of rejection due to his appearance, some green will about establishing an identity for himself that is better than his previous one…
You can find him in Comic Vine. He was blue in the comics, so maybe he was born that way for some reason. Or maybe a spell backfired and he never bothered changing his skin color back.
 
There are plenty of other non-imperium minor factions, and of course there's the Votann now as well, and while the lore for them remains sparse there's no indication that their big ole ancestor computer thingies are unable to defend themselves from Chaotic influence.
The Votann have the same tech base as they Imperium.

I have no idea what you mean by this, there is nothing in 40k lore called 'the Faith system'
Faith Powers have been a thing since Dark Heresy.


I think they're talking about faith affecting reality.

Which I think is only for recent additions concerning the Tech-Priests.
Nope, it's been a codified thing since Dark Heresy. Prior to that it was mostly "certain things have weird effects and sisters of battle have unknown superpowers."


I'd like to point out that a lot of the above comes from the Horus Heresy novel series, which I disregard.
If you're just going to disregard 80% or more of the setting what's the point of using it at all? Just write "Paul sits on the golden throne in a pimp hat and wins forever."
 
6th May 2013
23:58 GMT
…have we seen or heard about any of these guys before? None of this is ringing any bells.

I know that magic users are rare on a galactic scale, but was this really the best we could do?
Always the option of using one of several dimensional/planar/universal/whatever transportation devices and looking for some on other Earths. They can't all have been hit by disasters recently.

And how he's bent over in space
Now
 
After all, hard to impose a standardised uniform on people who are powered by their own desires, including the desire to look fabulous.

Plus given the fact that it's multi-species, the OLC may find it difficult to make a standard uniform that can fit every body shape.

Assuming the Lanterns even have bodies.

That's what you expect from someone known in the comics as 'Hieronymous the Under-Achiever.'

Or that he'd want to be left alone so that he's not pressured to perform.

Metis might be a little embarrassed to have one such as him as a worshipper. 😏 He seems the sort to bring down the whole tone of her cult.

She probably hasn't had one in probably millenia, so she may not be picky.

Plus, while he isn't bright, he is powerful.

And less intelligent people seeking intelligence may honestly be what she would like.

Since this is one of the few magic-using cultures he has easy contact with. I doubt the aforementioned Sorceror's World would return his calls.

Unless he tells them how to kill a Lord of Chaos.
 

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