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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

Meanwhile on Earth 534834 New
30th September 1995
18:39 GMT -5


Peter gestures back towards the counter of the Chinese restaurant we're in with his left thumb. "You sure you don't want anything? We're coming up on rush hour."

"No, thank you." We head over to a side table to wait for his order. "We usually eat together as a team, personal schedules permitting. But if this place has your recommendation then I'll definitely bring Anne-Marie here sometime."

He looks around, and… "I'm not sure it's really a date kinda place."

I follow his gaze, and suppress the desire to clean and repair the place. And the desire to check the kitchens. "Is the food good?"

He shrugs. "It's cheap."

Ah, right. The few Spiderman-related comics I read took place long after he stopped being an part-time photographer for the Daily Bugle, but here that's still his sole source of income. If I try asking for good restaurants he could probably tell me what the Bugle's restaurant critic likes, but I've seen critic-food, and… No.

"You know, you really didn't have to come. I'd have been fine getting home by myself."

I shake my head. "No no. New York has a truly impressive crime rate, you're under the weather and… There's that web-slinging menace to society to consider."

That gets a wry smile.

"Can I ask you a personal question?"

"I guess? I might not wanna answer…"

"Have you ever..? Have you ever thought about how.. what you've learned about your own genetics..? Does it affect your decisions about..? Dating, or having children yourself?"

"Huh." He sits back in his chair. "That is pretty personal. And heavy." He glances at where my right hand rests on the table top. "Are you and your wife having.. problems?"

"Anne-Marie's power drains the life out of anyone she touches."

"So-." He blinks as he immediately realises the significance of that statement. "Oh. So..?"

"Mutant powers don't work on genetic relatives… Some of the time. As far as we can tell, she should be able to carry a child to term as long as they're a mutant too."

"And what happens if they're not?"

"Ah… Rough guess, the fertilized egg would be drained the moment it touched the uterine lining. In the normal run of things we wouldn't even know that she'd been pregnant."

He frowns slightly, looking down. "I guess that's… Better than…"

"Draining them continuously while they tried to grow? Or giving birth and not being able to touch them? Maybe. But we can easily do I.V.F. and make sure that they're a mutant… Except there's a good chance they'll get an ability similar to hers and that's not exactly a lot of fun either."

"Does it happen like that every time?"

"Have you heard of Magneto?"

"Everyone's heard of Magneto."

"He's got three children, and one of them inherited his exact power. The other two have powers that are completely different. Cyclops and his brother both fire energy beams, but from different parts of their bodies."

He half-grins. "Do I wanna know?"

I roll my eyes. "His hands. Though in theory there could be a mutant out there who fires beams from other places."

He nods. "So… You wanna know if I've thought about it? Passing on… What I have to my kids?"

"Yes."

"Not really. Mostly I just try and work out how to get to the end of the week. But now you've made me think about it… It's not like they'd need to put on a mask."

"Your thing happened a few years ago. Things might be different if someone had it from birth. And I doubt that a child would know to keep quiet about it."

"I guess not. And that's not even thinking about all the ways it could go wrong." He sighs. "I don't think this was covered in health class."

"You'd think it would be by now, given the increase in the number of people born like that. Though I suppose it doesn't usually become an issue until adolescence."

"But you decided to go ahead anyway?"

I nod. "Anne-Marie and I. I'm pretty sure that the popularity of the Friends of Humanity is a short term panic response, so I was going to wait until things were a little calmer. She-." How to put it? "I have a lot of respect for Professor Xavier, but sometimes…" I shake my head. "I read an article once where the author demeaned a charitable foundation set up by a famous actor. The actor in question was paralysed after falling off a horse, and the charity was for people with spinal injuries. The author said that campaigning for something that will improve your own life isn't really charitable, and went on to compare that to an actor he admired who spent time and money working with a charity he supported which didn't do anything relating to him or his life."

"Okay? So you don't think he'd have done anything about mutant rights if he wasn't one?"

"He talks-. No, to be fair, talked, about x-gene mutants like they're a different species. He doesn't do it so much since I pointed it out…"

"Really?"

"You've got to remember that him and Magneto used to be good friends. They don't really disagree on the situation, just the best solution."

"What's Magneto's deal, anyway? I don't see how going around destroying things is supposed to make people like mutants more."

"He grew up in a Nazi concentration camp." I shrug as Peter's eyes widen. "He thinks a race war is inevitable, because he lived through one, and this time he wants to be on the winning side. If you ever see someone from the Friends of Humanity, just imagine the armband has a swastika on it and your family name is 'Goldstein'."

"Okay… But has someone pointed out to him who he sounds like when he calls mutants 'the superior-'."

"Yes." I nod. "Yes, I did. Do you want to guess what his response was?"

"Ah…" He raises his eyebrows. "'But I'm right'?"

I smile broadly. "You heard it before!"

He bows his head for a moment. "So what was that about Professor Xavier?"

"He still fairly clearly regards x-gene mutants as a natural… Group, separate from people without the x-gene. And as if talking to someone from the same time and place as you is the same as.. international relations between two potentially hostile countries."

"That's… Pretty weird. I haven't thought of myself as… Part of a different culture since I-" He looks around, but no one's paying us any attention. "-got mine."

"Right. I mean, I joke about being the team's token baseline human, but you don't see him inviting anyone with powers who doesn't have the x-gene coming to study how their powers work, and that's after me prodding him about it for years."

He smiles for a moment, and then takes on a more serious expression. "I guess… Kids… It's something I should look into before… Before something else bad happens. I have to work out how to stabilise myself at least."

I nod. "It's a sensible thing to do, and I'll pick the Professor's brain to see if there's anything he can do to help once he gets back."
 
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This is nice. Peter desperately needs someone he can relate to and talk to about this kinda stuff instead of constantly being isolated.

Looking forward to him and marvel Paul just being bros. Maybe looking into doing something to support and reform people that gain super powers in ways other than being born with them.

The X-men cause is mutants. Other people that get powers could use a group to help them out as well.

Maybe the fantastic four could get involved as that happened to them and they have resources they can throw at it.

...and Stark could make a foundation for the tech heros. Why not.
 
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30th September 1995
18:39 GMT -5


Peter gestures back towards the counter of the Chinese restaurant we're in with his left thumb. "You sure you don't want anything? We're coming up on rush hour."

"No, thank you." We head over to a side table to wait for his order. "We usually eat together as a team, personal schedules permitting. But if this place has your recommendation then I'll definitely bring Anne-Marie here sometime."
Meeting in civvies this time, I see. Petey isn't worried that Paul knows his face, or did he realise that the Ring could casually map what he looks like under the mask with minimal difficulty? Wouldn't take much more than that to realise no secret identity is secret with Paul around.

He looks around, and… "I'm not sure it's really a date kinda place."

I follow his gaze, and suppress the desire to clean and repair the place. And the desire to check the kitchens. "Is the food good?"
God, the number of Kitchen Nightmares episodes I've seen with terrible hygiene behind the front-of-shop areas...

He shrugs. "It's cheap."

Ah, right. The few Spiderman-related comics I read took place long after he stopped being an part-time photographer for the Daily Bugle, but here that's still his sole source of income. If I try asking for good restaurants be could probably tell me what the Bugle's restaurant critic likes, but I've seen critic-food, and… No.
Ah, yes, the 'tiny portion good' logic. Or they see the critic coming and get him the good stuff.

"You know, you really didn't have to come. I'd have been fine getting home by myself."

I shake my head. "No no. New York has a truly impressive crime rate, you're under the weather and… There's that web-slinging menace to society to consider."
Some nice, casual poking. You know, Paul could probably use some non-X-men friends. And Pete could use, well, any friends.

That gets a wry smile.

"Can I ask you a personal question?"

"I guess? I might not wanna answer…"
Especially if it hits his trauma buttons.

"Have you ever..? Have you ever thought about how.. what you've learned about your own genetics..? Does it affect your decisions about..? Dating, or having children yourself?"

"Huh." He sits back in his chair. "That is pretty personal. And heavy." He glances at where my right hand rests on the table top. "Are you and your wife having.. problems?"
Ah, the inevitable thought of Spider-children. Especially when you consider who he might have them with. Gwen Stacy never appeared in this series, Nor did Betty Brant. I guess the creators felt Mary Jane was enough romantic options.

"Anne-Marie's power drains the life out of anyone she touches."

"So-." He blinks as he immediately realises the significance of that statement. "Oh. So..?"
Yeah, you can see the obvious issue. Smart guy indeed.

"Mutant powers don't work on genetic relatives… Some of the time. As far as we can tell, she should be able to carry a child to term as long as they're a mutant too."

"And what happens if they're not?"
There's also the option of external artificial wombs. A discreet poke-around at the Shi'ar might help. Or maybe Reed Richards can gimmick something up

"Ah… Rough guess, the fertilized egg would be drained the moment it touched the uterine lining. In the normal run of things we wouldn't even know that she'd been pregnant."

He frowns slightly, looking down. "I guess that's… Better than…"
Yes, that can go so many ways worse...

"Draining them continuously while they tried to grow? Or giving birth and not being able to touch them? Maybe. But we can easily do I.V.F. and make sure that they're a mutant… Except there's a good chance they'll get an ability similar to hers and that's not exactly a lot of fun either."
And to some degree, Mutant powers do have a sadistic streak sometimes.

"Does it happen like that every time?"

"Have you heard of Magneto?"

"Everyone's heard of Magneto."
He is a bit of a problem. The whole mutant supremacy thing honestly set his cause back so far over the years. Still surprised no other heroes ever showed up during his little outbursts. Such was the compartmentalised nature of the Marvel animated series at the time.

"He's got three children, and one of them inherited his exact power. The other two have powers that are completely different. Cyclops and his brother both fire energy beams, but from different parts of their bodies."

He half-grins. "Do I wanna know?"
Think clean thoughts, chum.

I roll my eyes. "His hands. Though in theory there could be a mutant out there who fires beams from other places."

He nods. "So… You wanna know if I've thought about it? Passing on… What I have to my kids?"
Tobey Macguire Spidey was lucky his organic webspinners grew in his wrists.

"Yes."

"Not really. Mostly I just try and work out how to get to the end of the week. But now you've made me think about it… It's not like they'd need to put on a mask."
More importantly, would you let them? If they know you're Spidey, they'd feel the need to be heroic too.

"Your thing happened a few years ago. Things might be different if someone had it from birth. And I doubt that a child would know to keep quiet about it."

"I guess not. And that's not even thinking about all the ways it could go wrong." He sighs. "I don't think this was covered in health class."
And I thought Swarm was a crazy idea...

"You'd think it would be by now, given the increase in the number of people born like that. Though I suppose it doesn't usually become an issue until adolescence."

"But you decided to go ahead anyway?"
Worst case, he could get in touch with the Xavier Institute when the kids start showing powers...

I nod. "Anne-Marie and I. I'm pretty sure that the popularity of the Friends of Humanity is a short term panic response, so I was going to wait until things were a little calmer. She-." How to put it? "I have a lot of respect for Professor Xavier, but sometimes…" I shake my head. "I read an article once where the author demeaned a charitable foundation set up by a famous actor. The actor in question was paralysed after falling off a horse, and the charity was for people with spinal injuries. The author said that campaigning for something that will improve your own life isn't really charitable, and went on to compare that to an actor he admired who spent time and money working with a charity he supported which didn't do anything relating to him or his life."
That's a ridiculous idea. Charity shouldn't be governed or judged by 'how useful is this to the person promoting it?' 😒 Man, sometimes my faith in humanity is sorely tested...

"Okay? So you don't think he'd have done anything about mutant rights if he wasn't one?"

"He talks-. No, to be fair, talked, about x-gene mutants like they're a different species. He doesn't do it so much since I pointed it out…"
Probably a leftover of a teenage sense of "I'm different.' Charles did not have a fun childhood, after all.

"Really?"

"You've got to remember that him and Magneto used to be good friends. They don't really disagree on the situation, just the best solution."

"What's Magneto's deal, anyway? I don't see how going around destroying things is supposed to make people like mutants more."
Sadly, in his case, it's not about being liked, it's about being feared. As if being too scary to consider attacking is somehow protection from idiots.

"He grew up in a Nazi concentration camp." I shrug as Peter's eyes widen. "He thinks a race war is inevitable, because he lived through one, and this time he wants to be on the winning side. If you ever see someone from the Friends of Humanity, just imagine the armband has a swastika on it and your family name is 'Goldstein'."
And I suspect that's a big part of why J. Jonah dislikes them so much. He's (usually) old enough to remember the last time.

"Okay… But has someone pointed out to him who he sounds like when he calls mutants 'the superior-'."

"Yes." I nod. "Yes, I did. Do you want to guess what his response was?"
Oh, I bet he really dislikes Paul for undermining his whole 'next step of human evolution' philosophy.

"Ah…" He raises his eyebrows. "'But I'm right'?"

I smile broadly. "You heard it before!"
Not in the same context, but I would expect so.

He bows his head for a moment. "So what was that about Professor Xavier?"

"He still fairly clearly regards x-gene mutants as a natural… Group, separate from people without the x-gene. And as if talking to someone from the same time and place as you is the same as.. international relations between two potentially hostile countries."
It's foolish, to instil that false separation so early in their existence.

"That's… Pretty weird. I haven't thought of myself as… Part of a different culture since I-" He looks around, but no one's paying us any attention. "-got mine."

"Right. I mean, I joke about being the team's token baseline human, but you don't see him inviting anyone with powers who doesn't have the x-gene coming to study how their powers work, and that's after me prodding him about it for years."
And at this point, I don't think there are any second-generation superhumans to be concerned with, are there? Franklin Richards, probably the most famous child of super-heroes in Marvel, is likely a few years off yet.

He smiles for a moment, and then takes on a more serious expression. "I guess… Kids… It's something I should look into before… Before something else bad happens. I have to work out how to stabilise myself at least."

I nod. "It's a sensible thing to do, and I'll pick the Professor's brain to see if there's anything he can do to help once he gets back."
And make sure things like your bodily fluids are safe for other people. Yes, that was a stupid storyline, but it might happen.

Perhaps someday, we'll get a snippet from this story of the future, and see a team of second-generation heroes, along the lines of the MC2. It'd be fascinating to see how it all spins out. But for now, they have to worry about Pete living long enough to think of kids, and Paul finding a solution for Rogue's complicated situation. Oh, and all the usual X-men and Spiderman stuff in their future.
 
Mr Zoat, minor question: Did you decide to stop numbering the parts of Meanwhile on Earth 534834 in this run? If not and it was just not having the information to hand, they would be parts 12-17, I believe. As far as I can tell, the last one prior was part 11 in Episode 132: Fleet Traction.
 
I was under the impression that when mutated humans have children that inherit powers, said children turn out to be mutants or at least considered mutants, no? Franklin Richards, for example.
 
Thank you, corrected.
Especially when you consider who he might have them with. Gwen Stacy never appeared in this series, Nor did Betty Brant. I guess the creators felt Mary Jane was enough romantic options.
They offered him supersoldier formula enhanced Felecia Hardy. He has no grounds for complaint on that score.
That's a ridiculous idea. Charity shouldn't be governed or judged by 'how useful is this to the person promoting it?' 😒 Man, sometimes my faith in humanity is sorely tested...
I'm reminded of Skyrim: you receive the blessing 'gift of charity' when you give money to a beggar, making it neither a gift nor charity. How is it charity if you're only doing it to serve your interests?
I was expecting that to be a link to the dude from my hero academia. With the navel laser.
I don't really know MHA.
Mr Zoat, minor question: Did you decide to stop numbering the parts of Meanwhile on Earth 534834 in this run? If not and it was just not having the information to hand, they would be parts 12-17, I believe. As far as I can tell, the last one prior was part 11 in Episode 132: Fleet Traction.
A quick look at the contents page suggests that I generally don't number the ones from this continuety.
I was under the impression that when mutated humans have children that inherit powers, said children turn out to be mutants or at least considered mutants, no? Franklin Richards, for example.
Does he have an x-gene? Would Magneto consider him a mutant?
 
Does he have an x-gene? Would Magneto consider him a mutant?

Actually, yes. Franklin was one of those known Omega Level Mutants for forever. But I think recently it got retconned to not be so anymore, if memory serves; probably something about not wanting rights to the character to be mixed up, which ends up being a moot point considering it all ended up belonging to Disney anyway.
 
Mr Zoat, minor question: Did you decide to stop numbering the parts of Meanwhile on Earth 534834 in this run? If not and it was just not having the information to hand, they would be parts 12-17, I believe. As far as I can tell, the last one prior was part 11 in Episode 132: Fleet Traction.
A quick look at the contents page suggests that I generally don't number the ones from this continuety.
Perhaps we're looking at different things. The first 11 parts of this continuity are numbered, at least in the threadmarks and in this post https://forum.questionablequesting....-justice-si-thread-fourteen.8938/post-2401948 which contains the list of parts for the previous round of entries in this continuity that I could find (all in Episode 132: Fleet Traction). That is why I asked if you'd meant to stop numbering them in this round (meaning the recent ones in Episode 154: Supnautica (part 2)) and not this part (i.e.: part 17).
 

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