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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

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Ngamer11 said:
Hopefully his successor will be less idiotic in his decision making.
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They won't; its a narrative requirement in superhero stories for the government to be corrupt and ineffectual as if the government is competent then people start asking unfortunate questions like "what exactly is so bad about the idea of superheroes having some degree of government oversight?"
 
Dammit Cecil all you had to do was not take your dick out for 5 fucking minutes and the problem would have went away. They had no reason to come back to this earth Jesus christ dude. Now they have all the justification needed to come back if they wanted to as you just shot the royal vizer(not that he knows this yet).
 
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... So invincible killed Cecil before they shot Paul. That justified the shot.

Damn it Mark! Stop making me hate you more than Cecil!
Chaoswind said:
Did Cecil TP there to brag?
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or he could have done this and gotten killed.

Good! Time to talk to canon invincible and eve. You now have an excuse!
 
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Maybe they would find reverse gender universe and make kids be
Vitellio said:
Or, you know, he flew in, killed Cecil while OL was interrogating the soldiers, and flew out.
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Either way. It's a bad look. Let's hope Cecil tried to use X Ionized stuff against mark and didn't think OL remembered to train/equip him against it.
 
Mr Zoat said:
No, he outfitted the Teen Team. But they all dislike Cecil.

Yes. He destroyed the teleportation system first to prevent a repeat of what happened with Omni-Man, but that's what happened.
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That's still going to be a problem with the Guardians, or at least with the Immortal. At least Matthew won't have to deal with them.
 
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Kencord said:
Oh, please. Clone. Maulers are a thing, totally a body double, heavy on 'body'
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Doubtful.

The Maulers are both dead and the GDA either doesn't have access to their tech or doesn't know how it works.

If they had the tech then they wouldn't need to keep Conquest alive.

They could have just cloned a random human and then transferred Conquest's memories into it while leaving Conquest to die or having a super strong person finish what Mark did.
 
Ngamer11 said:
Hopefully his successor will be less idiotic in his decision making.
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Depends
It Could be either Donald or Robot that gets called up for that job.


WereDragon said:
What problem? They are leaving and unless someone local also has inter-planar portal capability there is nothing the Guardians or whoever can do to follow.
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Show invincible then maybe robot could whip up a portal eventually
Comic Invincible just give Doc Nobel a call he's got one or two collecting dust somewhere.
 
Now, I know almost nothing about Invincible, but cecil seems like the worst fusion of Waller and Fury out there.
 
Azzy Rael said:
Now, I know almost nothing about Invincible, but cecil seems like the worst fusion of Waller and Fury out there.
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He's honestly better than them but the problem is that the valiant universe is a harder reality than dc and marvel so the heroes are constantly underpowerd with none of heavy hitters of the above two. So whenever a problem comes up he tends to overreact because that's the right response 9/10. It's the 1/10 times that fucks him and the gda. The issue of course being that the 1/10 is usually apocalyptic in scale with all that entails.
 
Mr Zoat said:
But he just tried to kill me after I repeatedly helped him, damn it! If it was him, he's got this coming.
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Should this really be in orange instead of red? He sounds more angry and frustrated than not, and he just had someone try to kill him after he tried helping them. And as far as we know, he's not enlightened either. Are we sure this isn't a rage moment?

Mr Zoat said:
I once tried using my abilities to inspire fear. I was.. trying to get some protestors to pack it in before Invincible arrived. And my ring stopped working for a moment and they decided that made it a good idea to hit me with a crowbar. It's not just feeling fear that disrupts my connection to the orange light. Deliberately seeking to provoke it has the same effect.

So beyond my desire to contain the people trying to kill me, I try to avoid feeling anything else. I try not to feel anger, though I think under the circumstances that would be quite justified. I'm used to preventing myself feeling fear, but I try to avoid deliberately inspiring it too. Hope, love, compassion? Hardly relevant. Taking a moment to centre myself with willpower? Forget about it.
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Wait, what? How does that even make sense? We've seen other orange Pauls try to either inflict or feel those emotions, and they were fine. Why is this specific Paul having this problem?

Cuchulin said:
Cecil was the type of guy who try shooting a Grizzley Bear with normal hunting rifle while he still had a good chance to escape before it noticed him. all because he thought he had a better chance of killing it than escaping. That is a good way to get killed even if you manage to mortally wound the bear.
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Azzy Rael said:
Now, I know almost nothing about Invincible, but cecil seems like the worst fusion of Waller and Fury out there.
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Yeah, Superman's enemies tend to be the same. Especially the military villains.

Razorfloss said:
He's honestly better than them but the problem is that the valiant universe is a harder reality than dc and marvel so the heroes are constantly underpowerd with none of heavy hitters of the above two. So whenever a problem comes up he tends to overreact because that's the right response 9/10. It's the 1/10 times that fucks him and the gda. The issue of course being that the 1/10 is usually apocalyptic in scale with all that entails.
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Honestly, the Marvel and DC multiverses might be worse than Valiant/Image in that department. Sure, Valiant/Image tends to be bloodier and gorier than Marvel and DC, but the worlds of Marvel and DC might be even more dangerous to live in, especially if you're a civilian or a C-lister. Remember: They're both places where crisis crossover events that usually involve cosmic threats great enough to leave the world, if not the entire universe or multiverse, fundamentally changed afterwards (and not always for the better, or even out of necessity) are also really common, and since they tend to affect the entire world, you can't really escape them.

Don't even get me started on all the Lovecraftian abominations that constantly plague both. I'm not just talking about the Gods and New Gods, but genuine, Chtulhu-esque Eldritch horrors from beyond the veil. In fact, they're so common that TV Tropes even has lists of these for both universes (an INCOMPLETE list too, just to put it into perspective):

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New Gods, Emotional Entities, 5D imps, Elemental Parliaments, Lords of Order and Chaos... the DCU is full of Eldritch Abominations and here are some examples. 52: Lady Styx is a megalomaniacal insectoid creature and Godhood Seeker created from a …
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Eldritch Abominations in the Marvel Universe. Doctor Strange tends to fight these: Dormammu, the ruler of the Dark Dimension, and the most-powerful of the Faltine — a species of mystical entites manifested from magic; Nebulos, who can …
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CrazyNoVa said:
Yeah, but there were other un-enlightened Pauls who could feel other emotions and still use their rings just fine, like the Renegade.
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No he couldn't. If you mean when he felt or inflicted fear, he relied on his yellow power ring. When he feels strong emotion, he does lose access to his power rings. It's just that he could fall back on his New God abilities & or tech so it wasn't a big deal except during big fights. All Lanterns need to keep to their power ring's emotion or else it will stop functioning. Enlightenment is the only way to fix that.
 
I love getting osmosised with all these works I've never read lol. MLP and She-Ra especially, I think this fic is a better recommendation than the people that tried to get me into the series.
 
Ngamer11 said:
No he couldn't. If you mean when he felt or inflicted fear, he relied on his yellow power ring. When he feels strong emotion, he does lose access to his power rings. It's just that he could fall back on his New God abilities & or tech so it wasn't a big deal except during big fights. All Lanterns need to keep to their power ring's emotion or else it will stop functioning. Enlightenment is the only way to fix that.
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No, I meant that he could use his rings immediately after feeling a different emotion, because he could either feel one emotion after the other, or both at the same time.

Hell, even outside of this story, Canon has shown that you can use a ring just fine when you're feeling a different emotion, as long as you're also feeling your ring's emotion at the same time.

Furthermore, what about Sinestro? When he went full dictator, he was using a green ring at the start to oppress his homeworld and terrify his people into obeying him, yet his ring obviously never malfunctionned whenever he tried to instill fear instead of will, and it didn't stop functionning when he felt rage and betrayal at having Hal and the rest of his corps turn on him either.

And then, there's also the times when we see one person use more than one ring color at the same time (like the time when Hal became a Green/Blue lantern, or when Guy became a Green/Red or Violet/Red lantern on two separate occasions), which obviously proves that you can feel two emotions at the same time when using a ring, otherwise this feat obviously wouldn't be possible, because the emotions would cancel each other out. And then, there's what Razer did in the later seasons of canon Young Justice...
 
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No, I meant that he could use his rings immediately after feeling a different emotion, because he could either feel one emotion after the other, or both at the same time.

Hell, even outside of this story, Canon has shown that you can use a ring just fine when you're feeling a different emotion, as long as you're also feeling your ring's emotion at the same time.

Furthermore, what about Sinestro? When he went full dictator, he was using a green ring at the start to oppress his homeworld and terrify his people into obeying him, yet his ring obviously never malfunctionned whenever he tried to instill fear instead of will, and it didn't stop functionning when he felt rage and betrayal at having Hal and the rest of his corps turn on him either.

And then, there's also the times when we see one person use more than one ring color at the same time (like the time when Hal became a Green/Blue lantern, or when Guy became a Green/Red or Violet/Red lantern on two separate occasions), which obviously proves that you can feel two emotions at the same time when using a ring, otherwise this feat obviously wouldn't be possible, because the emotions would cancel each other out. And then, there's what Razer did in the later seasons of canon Young Justice...
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We're going by the canon of this story, not the canon in comics or other adaptations.
 
Like the thing with Atom Eve there are people in power doing horrible experiments and the Chief Director either doesn't know or didn't want to know what's happening. I'd say do a deeper dive on all that Dark information and give it to the hero's before leaving.
 
Ngamer11 said:
We're going by the canon of this story, not the canon in comics or other adaptations.
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You do realize that the canon of this story is based on the lore from the comics, right?

Also, what about when Renegade used both an orange and yellow ring at the same time? The Sinestro ring has showed that it could leave him at any time it wants, yet it didn't try to do so until Renegade encountered his version of Terror-thing, even when Renegade also had an orange ring.
 
CrazyNoVa said:
Wait, what? How does that even make sense? We've seen other orange Pauls try to either inflict or feel those emotions, and they were fine. Why is this specific Paul having this problem?
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Those other versions had time to practice and generally were in a healthier emotional environment.

This Paul may be too afraid of the Viltrumites to practice getting stronger and his mental state isn't that stable.

Ngamer11 said:
Paul did that sort of stuff after becoming Enlightened, which fixed that problem for him.
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Yep.

CrazyNoVa said:
You do realize that the canon of this story is based on the lore from the comics, right?
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Yeah, but this wouldn't be the first time Zoat has added his own twist.

CrazyNoVa said:
Also, what about when Renegade used both an orange and yellow ring at the same time? The Sinestro ring has showed that it could leave him at any time it wants, yet it didn't try to do so until Renegade encountered his version of Terror-thing, even when Renegade also had an orange ring
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I think he just wears them.

I don't think we've seen him use them both at once.

Maybe using one then stopping and using the other one, but that's it.
 
CrazyNoVa said:
You do realize that the canon of this story is based on the lore from the comics, right?

Also, what about when Renegade used both an orange and yellow ring at the same time? The Sinestro ring has showed that it could leave him at any time it wants, yet it didn't try to do so until Renegade encountered his version of Terror-thing, even when Renegade also had an orange ring.
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This is the hilarious part where we say "What FAQ?"
 
I just realized that when Paul got hit/hurt his Invincible didn't run to check on him but to kill the person he thought was responsible, then went to Paul. Hopefully Paul brings that up.
 
Bolo said:
I just realized that when Paul got hit/hurt his Invincible didn't run to check on him but to kill the person he thought was responsible, then went to Paul. Hopefully Paul brings that up.
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Rex Splode notwithstanding, when that much blood spurts out of someone's head, you may reasonably conclude that they're dead.
 
Darko said:
Those other versions had time to practice and generally were in a healthier emotional environment.

This Paul may be too afraid of the Viltrumites to practice getting stronger and his mental state isn't that stable.
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Seems like a far more plausible explanation, honestly.

Darko said:
I think he just wears them.

I don't think we've seen him use them both at once.

Maybe using one then stopping and using the other one, but that's it.
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Ardy said:
This is the hilarious part where we say "What FAQ?"
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You're both missing the point. The fact of the matter is that Sinestro-ring has proven that it can leave Grayven whenever it wants, yet it still chooses to stay with him even when he uses his orange ring instead. And yes, he was using both of them at the exact same time at some point, because both of these rings had their basic manual functions (like the scans or the environmental force field shield) fully available and active at all times when Grayven was wearing them, which requires their respective emotions to be used at minimum. Ergo, Grayven was using both fear and avarice at the same time.

Also, there's still the matter of the white light. The white light requires all colors to be used and an ecstatic desire to live, so if one person needs to use a white lantern ring, they would have to somehow be able to channel all emotions at once while also feeling incredibly ecstatic at the prospect of life itself (which Zoat himself has described as being incredibly rare). This also wouldn't be possible either if the colors/emotions weren't compatible with each other.
 
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