With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

[PJCG]

I think I have to agree with what's most of the people in the thread are saying. There are multiple ways to solve this problem but not in the way the heros want it solved.

Obviously there's mind control, magic, and super technology all these things could bring the world to a semblance of order or back to normality. But it would go against the normal ethics a superhero would follow. And if they were to ask any super genius on how to solve this, they would probably tell you total control or just letting it play out normally is the way to go.

Because, the way I see it, this might be just a natural transition when society itself collapses. Zoat called it 'Year zero' and I kind of agree with him. Throughout history societies and empires have all followed this same path.

 

[RichardWhereat]

A Global Totalitarian Regime led by superheroes sounds crazy,

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It is not. Not if you study history.

Kings ruled because they had the biggest gang. Governments are in control because they have a monopoly on power.

Superheroes that are unable to be killed by the tools of the government are only not in charge due to apathy. Here, Batman isn't apathetic, and has reason to rule. He now has the monopoly of power.

All hail King Batman.

 

[Vaermina]

All of the alien humanitarian aid that OL knows is busy fighting against The Reach and healing the worlds that the Reach ravaged, remember? Not to mention that Alt. Universe Lex Luthor is also busy doing his own thing elsewhere, and he would most likely come to the same conclusion as Orange Lantern and Batman anyway.

As for the kryptonian robots idea, I don't think it's been established if Superman has robot duplicates of himself or an army of drones in the fortress like he does in some other continuities, but either way, that wouldn't fix rhe issue either, because then you're just adding robots to bolster Batman's army.

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Those are all assumptions because OL hasn't actually tried asking.

The Silver City and Asian Gods obviously couldn't give less of a damn, otherwise they would have already gotten involved. In fact, that goes for basically every other divine pantheon too, because considering how worldwide the anti-life broadcast was, there's no way that the gods didn't notice what was happening to their worshippers. And if they couldn't be bothered to actually step in and make a difference, of course OL isn't going to trust them.

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The Silver City was specifically cut off during the Anti-Life, hence "Knock on their Door" which we know Paul can do because he's done it before.

 

[Ardy]

Those are all assumptions because OL hasn't actually tried asking.


The Silver City was specifically cut off during the Anti-Life, hence "Knock on their Door" which we know Paul can do because he's done it before.

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It literally wasn't, Zauriel flat out said they were just refusing to send more support.

 

[Darko]

Those are all assumptions because OL hasn't actually tried asking.

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He really shouldn't have to ask.

The other characters also have intelligence, so they can do those things by themselves.

The Silver City was specifically cut off during the Anti-Life, hence "Knock on their Door" which we know Paul can do because he's done it before.

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Anti-Life is gone.

If they're not doing anything now then that probably means that they don't care.

And if what you're implying is that they're still cut off then how is Paul supposed to get a hold of them?

He's only been to Heaven twice, and only one of those times was of his own free will.

If Heaven is cut off as you're suggesting then that gateway in Iran wouldn't work, so I'll ask again, how is he supposed to get a hold of them?

 

[Vaermina]

He really shouldn't have to ask.

The other characters also have intelligence, so they can do those things by themselves.

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Sure, if they're omniscient.

But Orange Lantern hasn't even told most of the people who could potentially help about the issues he's having. And even of those he has who didn't offer to help without prodding could potentially be convinced to help if the right offer was made to them.

But he hasn't done any of that, even to the point of us getting a sentence of "for various reasons everyone I went to for help refused and I was completely unable to change their minds."

 

[Darko]

Sure, if they're omniscient

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No, if they just have basic intelligence.

But Orange Lantern hasn't even told most of the people who could potentially help about the issues he's having

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There are very few people who could meaningfully help.

Dox is busy with the war with the Reach and he may honestly think that Batman's approach is the best.

Georgia Sivana may be a genius sociologist, but she's also a supervillain, so dictatorship may be something she approves of.

Captain Comet did help Vega but the governments there already existed and just needed prodding to become less awful. And in one of their previous conversations, Comet didn't seem all that against the idea of him potentially becoming overlord of Earth in the past.

And even of those he has who didn't offer to help without prodding could potentially be convinced to help if the right offer was made to them.

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And what could he honestly offer them?

If he seeks any help from divinities then what they would want is obvious; they want worship.

He really shouldn't have to explain that if they showed up and blessed a field to suddenly grow crops then a lot of people will start worshipping them.

If he has to explain that to any of them then they're honestly probably too stupid or incompetent to be relied on.

Any other person or group either has everything they need, or wants things that the SI can't get them.

 

[Steelplaza]

Gods do not actually have a lot of power in the material world, by the way. They can do some stuff, Zeus can toss a lightning bolt, but I'm not sure what you're expecting here. If a god shows up in the material world instead of the thaumosphere, Superman can probably win a fist fight with them, and it might not even be that hard. It would basically be just like adding some more superhumans to the effort. Useful but not world-altering.

As for the Silver City, well, I'm not even sure they'd see "the problem" that they're being called to help with. Like in a literal sense they'd go, "Well okay there's some government instability and people have issues organizing themselves, what else is new my man? Seems like you mortals have got a handle on things what with the GPI and all. You're looking a lot better than during the bronze age collapse, trust us."

 

[CrazyNoVa]

Those are all assumptions because OL hasn't actually tried asking.

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No, they aren't. It was established earlier in the story that L.E.G.I.O.N., the Orange Lantern Corps and the rest of OL's space buddies couldn't assist OL with anti-life or the rebuilding of Earth, remember? Dox even told him so too.

The Silver City was specifically cut off during the Anti-Life, hence "Knock on their Door" which we know Paul can do because he's done it before.

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They still wouldn't give a damn. Did they lift a finger to help during the Sheeda or Demonic invasions that we saw earlier in the story? No they didn't. Did they lift a finger to help during Klarion's split-world stunt? No they didn't. Did they lift a finger to help their worshippers who might have been endangered during Oceanus's rampage? No they didn't.

They only show up when it's convenient for them to do so, and apart from that, they don't give a damn about Earth, or even their own worshippers. In other words, THE SILVER CITY ARE ASSHOLES.