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Yeah, poor Barry. First, he had to deal with The Sheeda and PTSD, and then the Anti-Life back-to-back. He definitely didn't catch a break.
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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)
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Yeah, poor Barry. First, he had to deal with The Sheeda and PTSD, and then the Anti-Life back-to-back. He definitely didn't catch a break.
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Maybe Batman found a very subtle form of mind control that worked on orange lantern. It would seem in character for Batman to work on something to pacify orange lantern because he's the kind of person who would notice and question something like this.
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I would like if this prompted the SI to take a more direct role and stop worrying about society becoming dependent on him if he introduces technology or help directly too much. The other option is apparently societal collapse.
I imagine it won't though.
But if this is a 'Earth Societies have to change / evolve and can't return to the status quo', might as well go for a good overhaul.
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20th July 2013
18:51 GMT -5
I sit on the steps of the Hall of Justice, frantically reviewing the data and comparing it to… Literally any source I can beg, borrow or steal.
Oh dear.
Oh dear.
I remember joking that… Governments aren't as essential as they like to think they are, after… The Netherlands, was it? Went without one for over a year. And the Northern Ireland Assembly has shut down for longer than that without the I.R.A. arming up again. But… I… Suppose that only works because governments in Europe aren't responsible for everything. If the board of Tesco is incapacitated, then Sainsbury's or Asda will happily take the initiative, capitalism working reasonably well as long as the market participants are actively competing with one another
But in an autocratic state-. No, not 'autocratic'. Adom is doing fine; Batman's only concern there is that his expansion might be outpacing the capacities of his civil service. Totalising, that's the word. I remember listening to an interview given by a British civil servant who's escorted a soon-to-be ex-Soviet delegation around London just prior to Russian market deregulation. They'd asked him who was responsible for ensuring that London was supplied with bread, and he'd thought about it for a bit and then said 'well, no one, really'.
If hundreds of bakeries are buying wheat from hundreds of farms, then it doesn't matter if people lose faith in one farm or one bakery. Bread will still get baked and sold. But if you focus things though one authority and it turns out that someone there was up to no good… There's nowhere else to go.
And things under pressure tend to explode.
In America, we've mostly dealt with that by de facto replacing the dollar with the medallion, the government's monopoly on currency provision being an active impediment to economic recovery. I knew that the American and European economies had major underlying issues, that was why I used to have that issue with destroying currency whenever I touched it. But with that taken care of, it really doesn't matter if the government collapses so long as communications and currency are preserved. People can organise themselves if the basic tools exist, and they can recreate a government if they want to.
What I didn't appreciate was… How it was working in other places. Take Chong-Mai for example. Lovely place. As far as I can tell it's where the people who on Earth Prime would have been North Korea's communist leadership ended up while the militarists took 'North Rhelasia'. I got the impression that the Russians thought that the local communist cadre was pretty useless and so backed a military coup that would ally with them whereas the Chinese backed the ideologically pure communists… Doesn't matter.
The point is that they ended up combining the worst aspects of centralisation with the worst parts of the free market. If you're connected, you can do no wrong. If you're not, you can do no right. So they've got towns made of bricks made of sand and spit held together with dreams and I'm not sure if it's corruption, resource availability, incompetence, or… I don't know. And because all of the production centres belong to 'the people', there's no way to get anything else and I'm not sure that the expertise to make good bricks actually exists there. The collapse of buildings was getting blamed on 'enemies of the people', but now…
I mean, I don't think anyone believed it, but with the deaths in the security services and government during the Anti-Life period, the whole place is regressing. The government that's left can't be made to work. They're looking at a famine as well as deaths due to freezing weather once we reach winter because, oh yes, the people responsible for the electricity and gas supply aren't any more capable than the brick makers and they could cover that up when they were in total control…
And now they can't. Batman wasn't putting faceless Peace Agents in charge because he was making a political point. He did it because he will need to take over the country before too long and it can't look like a foreign occupation. And if that's a sign of the situation in the area more generally…
We can't stop China collapsing if the situation is similar there. As in, literally can't. And they've got the same control structure, only larger.
And the only reason that Russia is doing better is that the mafia were already effectively a second layer of organisation anyway.
I raise my head, looking out across the plaza…
It's all so brittle.
Calculations provided match behaviour of stellar polities with 93% regularity.
Which doesn't mean that it will happen, just that about 19 times out of 20 it observably did.
And our efforts to fix things aren't helping the stability that's left, because that's coming from the fact that the people there are accustomed to an apparently omniscient state, and we're actively undermining that belief.
Every part of South America that Hugo doesn't control was heading in a totalist direction in response to the threat he posed. In the case of Brazil it was necessary… Well, coming to terms with Hugo would have been better, but that's an unrealistic idea. Everywhere else…
On the plus side, the cartels in Mexico are doing ever worse than the government, so…
So Peace Operatives are already dealing what's left of them, and then we can sort of roll it into the United States effort…
Because even if my concerns about Batman are valid… It's like Lex Luthor. And the reason why I haven't even tried to detect Vandal Savage, who's almost certainly regenerated by now. He wouldn't want to conquer a collapsed world. Even if he imposed a harsh police state… That's what they had, and at least his would be functional.
And yes, we're bypassing governments, but-. We're not stopping people re-establishing them.
I don't like this. I don't-.
The only good thing I learned is that it doesn't look like Batman is establishing order through fear in a Sinestro-approved manner. And it doesn't look like he's aiming this at me in particular. He said too many things that Diana would have reacted to if he was lying. He's carrying on not because he's not concerned about Tetch but because… He's rolled the dice, betting on the best chance we've got to avoid seeing half the world Year Zero itself.
And the Peace Agents are going to de facto take over governments. And if I could come up with a better idea, I'd have said it, but I can't.
In the long run… This might be good for the species. But-. Yeah, we are going to take over the world.
We are actually going to take over the world.
The avalanche is already in motion. It is too late for the pebbles to vote.
"It's a lot, isn't it?"
Alan sits down next to me, and I… Nod.
"Yes."
"I gotta say, I didn't think it would hit you quite so hard as it did me."
"How long have you known?"
"Few hours. So?"
"So?"
Alan shrugs. "I couldn't check his math."
"It checks out."
"Well." He nods sombrely. "With any luck, it won't be for all that long. And he did agree to take his ring off for a while, just in case."
"Yes, and that assuages one of my big worries. I guess-. I guess it.. comes back to housekeeping. If you let bad governments fester, eventually a limb will drop off. I knew… In theory, that things could get this far, but I didn't think it would actually happen."
He nods companionably. "If we're lucky, we can still pick up the pieces."
I snort. "How lucky do you feel right now?"
18:51 GMT -5
I sit on the steps of the Hall of Justice, frantically reviewing the data and comparing it to… Literally any source I can beg, borrow or steal.
Oh dear.
Oh dear.
I remember joking that… Governments aren't as essential as they like to think they are, after… The Netherlands, was it? Went without one for over a year. And the Northern Ireland Assembly has shut down for longer than that without the I.R.A. arming up again. But… I… Suppose that only works because governments in Europe aren't responsible for everything. If the board of Tesco is incapacitated, then Sainsbury's or Asda will happily take the initiative, capitalism working reasonably well as long as the market participants are actively competing with one another
But in an autocratic state-. No, not 'autocratic'. Adom is doing fine; Batman's only concern there is that his expansion might be outpacing the capacities of his civil service. Totalising, that's the word. I remember listening to an interview given by a British civil servant who's escorted a soon-to-be ex-Soviet delegation around London just prior to Russian market deregulation. They'd asked him who was responsible for ensuring that London was supplied with bread, and he'd thought about it for a bit and then said 'well, no one, really'.
If hundreds of bakeries are buying wheat from hundreds of farms, then it doesn't matter if people lose faith in one farm or one bakery. Bread will still get baked and sold. But if you focus things though one authority and it turns out that someone there was up to no good… There's nowhere else to go.
And things under pressure tend to explode.
In America, we've mostly dealt with that by de facto replacing the dollar with the medallion, the government's monopoly on currency provision being an active impediment to economic recovery. I knew that the American and European economies had major underlying issues, that was why I used to have that issue with destroying currency whenever I touched it. But with that taken care of, it really doesn't matter if the government collapses so long as communications and currency are preserved. People can organise themselves if the basic tools exist, and they can recreate a government if they want to.
What I didn't appreciate was… How it was working in other places. Take Chong-Mai for example. Lovely place. As far as I can tell it's where the people who on Earth Prime would have been North Korea's communist leadership ended up while the militarists took 'North Rhelasia'. I got the impression that the Russians thought that the local communist cadre was pretty useless and so backed a military coup that would ally with them whereas the Chinese backed the ideologically pure communists… Doesn't matter.
The point is that they ended up combining the worst aspects of centralisation with the worst parts of the free market. If you're connected, you can do no wrong. If you're not, you can do no right. So they've got towns made of bricks made of sand and spit held together with dreams and I'm not sure if it's corruption, resource availability, incompetence, or… I don't know. And because all of the production centres belong to 'the people', there's no way to get anything else and I'm not sure that the expertise to make good bricks actually exists there. The collapse of buildings was getting blamed on 'enemies of the people', but now…
I mean, I don't think anyone believed it, but with the deaths in the security services and government during the Anti-Life period, the whole place is regressing. The government that's left can't be made to work. They're looking at a famine as well as deaths due to freezing weather once we reach winter because, oh yes, the people responsible for the electricity and gas supply aren't any more capable than the brick makers and they could cover that up when they were in total control…
And now they can't. Batman wasn't putting faceless Peace Agents in charge because he was making a political point. He did it because he will need to take over the country before too long and it can't look like a foreign occupation. And if that's a sign of the situation in the area more generally…
We can't stop China collapsing if the situation is similar there. As in, literally can't. And they've got the same control structure, only larger.
And the only reason that Russia is doing better is that the mafia were already effectively a second layer of organisation anyway.
I raise my head, looking out across the plaza…
It's all so brittle.
Calculations provided match behaviour of stellar polities with 93% regularity.
Which doesn't mean that it will happen, just that about 19 times out of 20 it observably did.
And our efforts to fix things aren't helping the stability that's left, because that's coming from the fact that the people there are accustomed to an apparently omniscient state, and we're actively undermining that belief.
Every part of South America that Hugo doesn't control was heading in a totalist direction in response to the threat he posed. In the case of Brazil it was necessary… Well, coming to terms with Hugo would have been better, but that's an unrealistic idea. Everywhere else…
On the plus side, the cartels in Mexico are doing ever worse than the government, so…
So Peace Operatives are already dealing what's left of them, and then we can sort of roll it into the United States effort…
Because even if my concerns about Batman are valid… It's like Lex Luthor. And the reason why I haven't even tried to detect Vandal Savage, who's almost certainly regenerated by now. He wouldn't want to conquer a collapsed world. Even if he imposed a harsh police state… That's what they had, and at least his would be functional.
And yes, we're bypassing governments, but-. We're not stopping people re-establishing them.
I don't like this. I don't-.
The only good thing I learned is that it doesn't look like Batman is establishing order through fear in a Sinestro-approved manner. And it doesn't look like he's aiming this at me in particular. He said too many things that Diana would have reacted to if he was lying. He's carrying on not because he's not concerned about Tetch but because… He's rolled the dice, betting on the best chance we've got to avoid seeing half the world Year Zero itself.
And the Peace Agents are going to de facto take over governments. And if I could come up with a better idea, I'd have said it, but I can't.
In the long run… This might be good for the species. But-. Yeah, we are going to take over the world.
We are actually going to take over the world.
The avalanche is already in motion. It is too late for the pebbles to vote.
"It's a lot, isn't it?"
Alan sits down next to me, and I… Nod.
"Yes."
"I gotta say, I didn't think it would hit you quite so hard as it did me."
"How long have you known?"
"Few hours. So?"
"So?"
Alan shrugs. "I couldn't check his math."
"It checks out."
"Well." He nods sombrely. "With any luck, it won't be for all that long. And he did agree to take his ring off for a while, just in case."
"Yes, and that assuages one of my big worries. I guess-. I guess it.. comes back to housekeeping. If you let bad governments fester, eventually a limb will drop off. I knew… In theory, that things could get this far, but I didn't think it would actually happen."
He nods companionably. "If we're lucky, we can still pick up the pieces."
I snort. "How lucky do you feel right now?"
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I think that this chapter really reflects how in a perfect comic book world, somehow the world just instantly bounces back from every existential crisis with the snap of a finger. In a world slightly more bound to reality, that's not what happens.
Personally I don't have a problem with Batman taking over the world. To me it's honestly felt weird how the heroes don't take control after such a crisis considering most space stage species in comic series practiced monarchies, ruling council or some form of mixture of the the strongest and most intelligent people ran the world (Warrior King type), especially when many of the heroes fight said beings and makes such world spanning decisions daily, then hand the reins back to the UN or some other government or group. I think the only presidency I can think of for a space faring empire was the Legion's time of Earth and the United Planets.
But back to the point, most of the species that Paul interacts with follow the Warrior King model, that it's weird how hung up he is on maintaining the status quo than trying to change the system into something better by reshaping things after this crisis.
Personally I don't have a problem with Batman taking over the world. To me it's honestly felt weird how the heroes don't take control after such a crisis considering most space stage species in comic series practiced monarchies, ruling council or some form of mixture of the the strongest and most intelligent people ran the world (Warrior King type), especially when many of the heroes fight said beings and makes such world spanning decisions daily, then hand the reins back to the UN or some other government or group. I think the only presidency I can think of for a space faring empire was the Legion's time of Earth and the United Planets.
But back to the point, most of the species that Paul interacts with follow the Warrior King model, that it's weird how hung up he is on maintaining the status quo than trying to change the system into something better by reshaping things after this crisis.
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That Batman made such a thorough analysis and study justifying his approach might make it an easier pill for someone like Anarky to swallow. He seems like a fairly data driven boy, and if he comes around having another super-genius (especially one coming from a place of skepticism) in the room with Batman to keep an eye on things couldn't hurt. I'm less confident about Question, though. Even if given the data from OL, it still might be a bit too insane for him. A Global Totalitarian Regime led by superheroes sounds crazy, but if Batman says it's not, Orange Lantern says it's not, and Superman says its not, is it really?