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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

Cappare (part 19) New
27th July 2013
04:29 GMT


"How many?"

"Thirty… Three in space."


Lantern Stewart clenches his right fist. "Green Lantern to Justice League. Assistance required in near-Earth space."

Humanoid robots from Daxam? Would they have had Eradicators-?

"Assume they're Eradicators until proven otherwise."

"Eradicators?"

"
Performance specifications are on your database. Pull back, don't engage." Ah. "Are there any guarding the ship?"

"No."

"
Board them, extract their database and any other records you find. Assimilate the crew if required. Find out what they're planning."

"Yes, Illustres."


Right, let's take a look at Cara Yat's desires in more… Detail. How prescient of me. The ship builders around Daxam-. Might be Eradicators or they might be Daxamites who can use the theta wave state, but Cara can definitely use it. Can the other two..? Priest yes, Ken Lee… No.

I hoik him up with a construct. "How'd you like to stop feeling like shit?"

"Uuuuughnot talking."

"If I don't know what you want, I can't decide what to do about it. As things stand I'm forced to conclude that Daxam is declaring war on Earth. And while that does restrict what I can legally do to you, it also authorises me to, for example, destroy Daxam's entire planetary defence system."

"Hhu-. Can't-. You can't."

"They're unmanned weapon systems. They're the definition of a morally acceptable target. I gain nothing from allowing Daxam to remain isolationist."

Lantern Stewart glances my way as he strides towards the zeta tube terminuses. "You got this?"

"Yes. I'll relay information to you as I get it."

"Arsenal to Oh El."

I meet Ken Lee's eyes for a moment. I can give him another ten seconds, then I'll start prodding his brain.

"Go ahead."

"Har-Zod says it matches parts of the 'Doomsday', the Kryptonian navy's old flagship. When the fleet got decommissioned it was supposed to be mothballed, but Admiral Dru-Zod programmed it to fly off into space instead."

"And parts of it ended up here?"

"Maybe it all ended up here. Maybe that's what they're here for."

Ken Lee isn't. Ken Lee wants to go home and forget this ever happened. We profoundly disturb him. He thinks this whole endeavour is a bad idea.

Okay, so… The Doomsday comes here and… Self destructs? Hits something? Gets hit by something? And if they could… Poke anywhere in the system using a boom tube, the only reason they'd have to talk to us is.. that part of it ended up on Earth. Or Mars, but they'd have spotted that.

"Advocate Ken Lee, this is extremely foolish. If you'd asked us for the ship to augment your self-defence forces then we'd probably have just given it to you. And now you're risking me counterattacking. Please, talk to me before I'm forced to use extreme measures."

"C-." He takes a pained breath. "Cure me first."

"Alright." I extend filaments into the meeting room's lighting systems, altering the wavelength. The shutters are down to seal the breach from earlier, so there's no other wavelengths coming in. Now, touch filaments to his body and… Send the lead carbonate from his lungs into subspace. "Better?"

He breathes in deeply, then out, then in deeply again. Then he nod. "Yes. Thank you." He glances down at Cara Yat as she wheezes in agony. "Could you-?"

"She gets fixed when she talks or once this is resolved. So talk."

He shakes his head. "This was never about Sodam Yat. I-. He should be returned, be amongst his people and his family. But Cara Yat-. She argued that the fact that you and that other alien were able to land on Daxam indicated that our defences were inadequate. That we needed more."

"But you're primitivists. You can't build better."

"There was.. debate. In the end, it was agreed that activating an A.I. and asking it to oversee the process would be less damaging than relearning the skills of our ancestors."

"An Eradicator A.I.? I didn't realise they were that old."

"Not an Eradicator. The Eradicator program. It was originally intended to rid us of.. foreign cultural influences. Our ancestors purified themselves and then shut it down. But it was never supposed to be deleted. It's.. endemic in all of our ancestral systems. We thought it was on our side."

"What did it do?"

"It took control. Had the old manufacturing systems create new robots for it to command. And it-. We're different from kryptonians, we all know that, but we thought it was-." He shakes his head. "The Eradicator barely acknowledges us as people. I think it was going to kill us, until-. Until Diro Yat told it that Kal-El survived."

"And the Doomsday?"

"The bridge component is on Earth… Somewhere. The Eradicator's program requires it to recover kryptonian technology."

"And what about the boom tubes?"

"I don't know." I narrow my eyes. "I don't! I'm a lawyer! I only know this much because I-. I might have needed to carry on the mission myself."

"What does the Eradicator want with Kal-El? Genetic samples?"

"No. No. It wants to correct him." He shakes his head. "Raised by aliens. It's not his fault, of course, and we-. Daxamites wouldn't have anything to do with someone from the family of Kem-El. But to the Eradicator program he's the most important person in the universe."

"Right, thank you. Arisia, you're on guard duty. Keep an eye on them." She nods stiltedly. "They shouldn't die, but you've got a purple healing ray if they start worsening."

"Yes." She nods again. "Yes."

"Call someone. I need to make sure that Kal-El's alright."

She nods as I

raise my fingers to my forehead, homing in on his genuine desire to be a good person. I

appear in Texas, just behind him.

26th July 2013
23:33 GMT -5


"Superman, we have a problem."

He turns around, his expression… Cold.

Alien.

Oh dear.

"No. We don't."
 
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Aw, crap. This is like that one story arc where Clark got subjected to a fake Kryptonian maturity cycle that turned him cold and distant towards all of humanity, but then it turned out that he actually got brainwashed.

And it was also making him wear dorky Kryptonian clothes too.
 
raise my fingers to my forehead, homing in on his genuine desire to be a good person. I

appear in Texas, just behind him.

26th July 2013
23:33 GMT -5


"Superman, we have a problem."

He turns around, his expression… Cold.

Alien

Oh dear.
Well the desire to be a good person is still there, so big blue is ostensibly buried under the reprogramming. How to get him out?
 
27th July 2013
04:29 GMT


"How many?"

"Thirty… Three in space."
Definitely either stowed aboard-ships like stacked logs, or shunted through a Boom Tube. The latter would be noticed, though... Unless Jupiter's magnetosphere is blocking emissions. Regardless, that's a bad number of Eradicator droids.

Lantern Stewart clenches his right fist. "Green Lantern to Justice League. Assistance required in near-Earth space."

Humanoid robots from Daxam? Would they have had Eradicators-?
If not active, then at least in storage, ready to activate if needed. And evidently they have been.

"Assume they're Eradicators until proven otherwise."

"Eradicators?"
Ah, right, not exactly a well-known thing these days.

"Performance specifications are on your database. Pull back, don't engage." Ah. "Are there any guarding the ship?"

"No."
While not as adaptable as a Scarab Warrior, they're almost as strong as an empowered Kryptonian, so even a two-on-one fight is dangerous for anyone but OL.

"Board them, extract their database and any other records you find. Assimilate the crew if required. Find out what they're planning."

"Yes, Illustres."
Hopefully it won't come to that and they'll surrender peacefully. But I suspect there's going to be some sore heads and lead-choked lungs aboard before she's done...

Right, let's take a look at Cara Yat's desires in more… Detail. How prescient of me. The ship builders around Daxam-. Might be Eradicators or they might be Daxamites who can use the theta wave state, but Cara can definitely use it. Can the other two..? Priest yes, Ken Lee… No.
Not surprising for the priest. It's a form of martial arts, and who better to maintain such skills than a priest?

I hoik him up with a construct. "How'd you like to stop feeling like shit?"

"Uuuuughnot talking."
I don't think you're going to have to worry too much about the others letting on that you blabbed. If you know anything at all...

"If I don't know what you want, I can't decide what to do about it. As things stand I'm forced to conclude that Daxam is declaring war on Earth. And while that does restrict what I can legally do to you, it also authorises me to, for example, destroy Daxam's entire planetary defence system."
And he's not joking, either. Hell, if you tick him off enough, he may decide to do it single-handedly... With Assimilated Daxamites.

"Hhu-. Can't-. You can't."

"They're unmanned weapon systems. They're the definition of a morally acceptable target. I gain nothing from allowing Daxam to remain isolationist."
And they're already acting as an enemy, so...

Lantern Stewart glances my way as he strides towards the zeta tube terminuses. "You got this?"

"Yes. I'll relay information to you as I get it."
Big show of trust there, even if Arisia is staying to watch the Daxamites.

"Arsenal to Oh El."

I meet Ken Lee's eyes for a moment. I can give him another ten seconds, then I'll start prodding his brain.
Think fast, lawyer, or your usefulness may fall depending on what OL hears next.

"Go ahead."

"Har-Zod says it matches parts of the 'Doomsday', the Kryptonian navy's old flagship. When the fleet got decommissioned it was supposed to be mothballed, but Admiral Dru-Zod programmed it to fly off into space instead."
...Shit. And we know from the Renegade's timeline exactly where it is...

"And parts of it ended up here?"

"Maybe it all ended up here. Maybe that's what they're here for."
So Sodam was the excuse for them to get in-system and scan.

Ken Lee isn't. Ken Lee wants to go home and forget this ever happened. We profoundly disturb him. He thinks this whole endeavour is a bad idea.

Okay, so… The Doomsday comes here and… Self destructs? Hits something? Gets hit by something? And if they could… Poke anywhere in the system using a boom tube, the only reason they'd have to talk to us is.. that part of it ended up on Earth. Or Mars, but they'd have spotted that.
If it had been anywhere else, they'd have just blown past and grabbed for it without talking. But Earth is defended, heavily. The question is why now?

"Advocate Ken Lee, this is extremely foolish. If you'd asked us for the ship to augment your self-defence forces then we'd probably have just given it to you. And now you're risking me counterattacking. Please, talk to me before I'm forced to use extreme measure."

"C-." He takes a pained breath. "Cure me first."
Smart. He aims to survive, after all. This isn't really his cause, no matter how important it is to the priest or Cara Yat.

"Alright." I extend filaments into the meeting room's lighting systems, altering the wavelength. The shutters are down to seal the breach from earlier, so there's no other wavelengths coming in. Now, touch filaments to his body and… Send the lead carbonate from his lungs into subspace. "Better?"
No re-empowering, of course, OL doesn't trust him that much. Bu he's evidently not interested in fighting as long as he gets to sit this out and go home...

He breathes in deeply, then out, then in deeply again. Then he nod. "Yes. Thank you." He glances down at Cara Yat as she wheezes in agony. "Could you-?"

"She gets fixed when she talks or once this is resolved. So talk."
And she'd probably rather die than blab.

He shakes his head. "This was never about Sodam Yat. I-. He should be returned, be amongst his people and his family. But Cara Yat-. She argued that the fact that you and that other alien to land on Daxam indicated that our defences were inadequate. That we needed more."
Which means either she's highly placed in the government, or was able to attract a big following due to the optics of 'Mother whose son was stolen by aliens.'

"But you're primitivists. You can't build better."

"There was.. debate. In the end, it was agreed that activating an A.I. and asking it to oversee the process would be less damaging that relearning the skills of our ancestors."
So instead, you repeat their mistakes. AI is a total crapshoot, especially Kryptonian ones. Those smart enough to be sophonts can easily be fanatical about their goals.

"An Eradicator A.I.? I didn't realise they were that old."

"Not an Eradicator. The Eradicator program. It was originally intended to rid us of.. foreign cultural influences. Our ancestors purified themselves and then shut it down. But it was never supposed to be deleted. It's.. endemic in all of our ancestral systems. We thought it was on our side."
...So the second you turned it back on, it took full control of every bit of old tech you had and conquered you.

"What did it do?"

"It took control. Had the old manufacturing systems create new robots for it to command. And it-. We're different from kryptonians, we all know that, but we thought it was-." He shakes his head. "The Eradicator barely acknowledges us as people. I think it was going to kill us, until-. Until Diro Yat told it that Kal-El survived."
Well, thank goodness for small mercies. The one failed visit by Superman saved the Daxamite race... Edit: Or knowledge of him. Honestly can't remember if Supes visited or not... 🤔

"And the Doomsday?"

"The bridge component is on Earth… Somewhere. The Eradicator's program requires it to recover kryptonian technology."
Which it will then use to re-establish the Great Kryptonian Empire, because of course it will.

"And what about the boom tubes?"

"I don't know." I narrow my eyes. "I don't! I'm a lawyer! I only know this much because I-. I might have needed to carry on the mission myself."
Hopefully the ships crew are slightly better informed.

"What does the Eradicator want with Kal-El? Genetic samples?"

"No. No. It wants to correct him." He shakes his head. "Raised by aliens. It's not his fault, of course, and we-. Daxamites wouldn't have anything to do with someone from the family of Kem-El. But to the Eradicator program he's the most important person in the universe."
And if it finds out about the Karas... Well, it's probably gonna be celebrating.

"Right, thank you. Arisia, you're on guard duty. Keep an eye on them." She nods stiltedly. "They shouldn't die, but you've got a purple healing ray if they start worsening."

"Yes." She nods again. "Yes."
Hoo-boy. She sounds a bit shell-shocked. Between the extreme violence she's witnessed today, the way the negotiations turned out and this whole little crisis, she's not having a good week.

"Call someone. I need to make sure that Kal-El's alright."

She nods as I
Bets she calls Team members in, including at least one Supergirl?

raise my fingers to my forehead, homing in on his genuine desire to be a good person. I

appear in Texas, just behind him.
...Shit. If he's in Texas, then...

26th July 2013
23:33 GMT -5


"Superman, we have a problem."
And Kal-El is going to be part of it, I suspect.

He turns around, his expression… Cold.

Alien
Naturally, the Eradicator got to him. A stealth unit that probably slipped in under the interdiction systems, I bet.

Oh dear.

"No. We don't."
Time to kick his ass and restrain him, OL...

Oh, boy. If the Eradicator is complex enough to have fantasies, I can just picture something like MAWS' Kryptonian invasion forces running through them. Even if it has to use 'inferior' Daxamites. And at their head, Kal-El as their general, or something like that. The excrement is in the air, and the fan is spinning up...
 
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I don't know if Zoat is using it but in the comics it was revealed that the Eradicator is not a Kryptonian artifact.

It's an alien probe that Superman's ancestor Kem-L reprogramed with his xenophobia because he was a true piece of shit.

In the comics David Conner merged with the Eradicator, he found out that he wasn't David Conner, he was the Eradicator that remembers being David Conner because as a probe it's function is to absorb and store information. So the "merging" was it absorbing the information in David's brain.

He discovered he was actually dead, that the Eradicator isn't Kryptonian, and beat down the digital avatar of Kem-L in the Eradicator's programming to free himself from Kem-L's progamming.

So this plotline might be dealt with with a digital exorcism.
 
"Advocate Ken Lee, this is extremely foolish. If you'd asked us for the ship to augment your self-defence forces then we'd probably have just given it to you. And now you're risking me counterattacking. Please, talk to me before I'm forced to use extreme measure."
'measures'
He shakes his head. "This was never about Sodam Yat. I-. He should be returned, be amongst his people and his family. But Cara Yat-. She argued that the fact that you and that other alien to land on Daxam indicated that our defences were inadequate. That we needed more."

"But you're primitivists. You can't build better."

"There was.. debate. In the end, it was agreed that activating an A.I. and asking it to oversee the process would be less damaging that relearning the skills of our ancestors."
'were able to'?
'than'
He turns around, his expression… Cold.

Alien
Missing full stop?

I can't remember, does Superman still use that environmental shield or does he have a radiation ward?

How did they get to the surface without anyone noticing? The only things I can think of are a hush tube (possible if they're receiving Apokoliptian support, which is implied by them using boom tubes), or them establishing a link with the Doomsday fragment which allowed them to activate onboard robots/manufacturing or a weird mind control ray or something, or when they boom tubed to Jupiter they dropped a few robots which flew to Earth under their own power, and weren't detected because they were small/slow/had cloaking systems?

Also, nice callback to Grayven excavating this stuff with LexCorp. It's fun when the same things have radically different repercussions in different universes because of the different conditions.
 
I just realized this means this same Eradicator is the one inside Renegade timeline Kara's head. Hopefully she can be saved once that becomes a problem.
 
'measures'
'were able to'?
'than'
Missing full stop?
Thank you, corrected.
I can't remember, does Superman still use that environmental shield or does he have a radiation ward?
First one.
Also, nice callback to Grayven excavating this stuff with LexCorp. It's fun when the same things have radically different repercussions in different universes because of the different conditions.
In Renegade, you deal with plot threads.
In main thead, plot thread deals with you.
I just realized this means this same Eradicator is the one inside Renegade timeline Kara's head. Hopefully she can be saved once that becomes a problem.
it's not 'in' Kara's head. It's just that the Eradicator Program's idea of what a 'healthy' kryptonian is includes them being goodthinkful.
 
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So the Eradicator program just brainwashes kryptonians into racism?

Didn't it get one of the Karas in the other timeline too?
 
So the Eradicator program just brainwashes kryptonians into racism?

Didn't it get one of the Karas in the other timeline too?
The Renegade used a medical machine he stole from Daxam to heal Kara, which made her more in line with what the Eradicator thinks pure Kryptonians should be like.

Seeing as the Eradicator doesn't see Daxamites as pure Kryptonians I hope before this episode is over that they have a very bad time that either keeps them from leaving their planet for the foreseeable future or forces them off of it against their will and at the mercy of the aliens they hate so much.
 
A lot was revealed, though we still don't know if any New Gods are involved or maybe Eradicator stole a Motherbox
 
Well hey Batman, time to show off those OMACs you said you were justified in creating. This is exactly the sort of over-powered invasion threat they are for, right?

Come on, chop-chop, if the Mad Hatter can use them to beat up Supergirls, you ought to be able to fight Kryptonian robots.

Oh hey, I wonder what happens if the Erdaicator meets Superwoman/Kara II/Silver Age Kara. Will it recognize her as Kryptonian? I mean, it doesn't really consider the Daxamites as such, and she's from a different universe.
 
Please. Like Batman's canonical preparations ever matter against anyone except other superheroes he needs to be 'cooler' than, or 'on the same level as' because he's popular. Prep-time can shrink miniature red suns into gauntlets for a fight against superman, but outside of making the hellbat to fight darkseid with, you know he's going to respond to Doomsday or what-have-you with the Batplane and some batarangs and maybe a little kryptonite if he's feeling spicy.

Batman may have an army of robots with Amazo-powers, but if he uses them to actually derail a plot and just solve the problem, then he'll be acting so clearly Out of Character that I fully expect the rest of the Justice League to turn on him in horror and fear.
 
EVERY indication from the fiction indicates the court is corrupt (Including two audience members of the trial saying it's weird they haven't bribed the judges. They didn't use the word fine, or bill, or charge, or penalty, or restitution, or any other synonym. They used the word bribe. These are not the same thing.). Vandal Savage makes it clear that he has bribed the judges ALREADY to get a result he wants. (said in S2 E19)

Word of Greg (Question id 15932) is that Rimbor is not just corrupt, it's "institutionally, constitutionally corrupt". It is "A world largely inhabited by criminals, smugglers, etc.", It's basically a pirate haven.

They are not asking for restitution, they're not asking for punitive fines. They're actively and explicitly using their position of power and the facade of legitimacy to extort who they can, and were going to find them guilty anyway because they had been bribed. No one on the planet cares if the Justice League did it. The ONLY reason they didn't is that the Reach's actions on earth came to light publicly in the middle of the trial.

Saying a Fine and a Bribe are the same thing is, as I said, both Pedantic and Wrong, it's like calling a fetus a parasite, and then saying that the morning after pill is the same as ivermectin because it's an anti-parasitic drug.
Okay. I accept that that is canon.

Now let me explain why I hate it and it's stupid.

Let us start by considering the phrase 'constitutionally corrupt'. What is a constituion? It is a supreme law which sets out the structure of and philosophical justification for the state. What is corruption? Bypassing the proper structure of the state. As such, 'constitutionally corrupt' is a contradiction in terms.

Consider the difference between these two situations:
1) You discover that the DA handling our case has a large debt to his drug dealer. You offer him a million dollars to undercharge you. Joe Snow-Blower gets paid, the DA doesn't get his legs broken and you get a small fine instead of prison time. Corruption.
2) You offer to plead guilty to a minor offence immediately in exchange for other charges being dropped with prejudice. The DA is up for reelection next week and wants a good headline now, so takes the deal. He is reelected. Not corruption.

Why isn't it corruption? Because nothing is being bypassed and the ultimate judge of the DA's action -the demos- is not being kept in the dark. If they decide that a fast result is better than charging in full, they can. If not, the are entirely free to vote for someone else. The fact they trusted the headline and didn't bother reading deeper is neither here nor there.

When it comes to Rimbor, there are two possibilities.
1) There is a system of justice that is similar to what we would recognise, but if you know who to talk to you can nudge things you way with money. Corruption.
2) You get the result you pay for in all circumstances, top to bottom. Not corruption.

Which is Rimbor? Well, the guy in the audience was mystified why the Justice League wasn't paying up, and the judge was openly soliciting in court. That doesn't suggest that they're hiding anything from anyone and that everyone knows that's how it works, and accepts it.

It's the system. I don't think it's a good system, but it is the system they have. And in a fictional setting that's great! I'd like to see an alternate form of dispute resolution which isn't just an American court with the serial number filed off. But not one which requires everyone involved to be a moron.

Imagine a road fitness check where you can pay one fee to get your vehicle approved, but if you give the clerk doing it a bit more you get priority and if you give them a lot more they just sign off on it without checking but they're financially liable for any accident you have so they have to judge carefully whether it's worth it or not. Or where after the League's attack the people of Rimbor totalled up the value of the damage and figured that whoever did it would have to have an empire of their own which would be adversly affected by trade restrictions so issued an advisory note about the attack in the assumption that the attacking empire would pay them off to normalise trade... And then found out that it's just seven private citizens who couldn't pay if off if they wanted to.

Instead... I mean, if the 'judge' is purely interested in how much money he can get out of it, why is he bothering with a court when he can just stick them in a cell and tell them how much they owe him to recall the wanted posters and let them out? Is he hoping that Savage will pay him more to keep things going longer? Is he on alien pay-per-view and needs to keep the audience entertained in the most boring mass murder trial ever? Why did he give up when M'gann asked him to? Heck, they have contact with Earth, why didn't he just send a message to Earth's governments saying that he can keep the trial going indefinitely, or he can end it tomorrow if they pay enough. How much do they want their heroes back? I'm pretty sure the US government would bail Superman. Lex might, if only so he can laugh about it.
 
EVERY indication from the fiction indicates the court is corrupt (Including two audience members of the trial saying it's weird they haven't bribed the judges. They didn't use the word fine, or bill, or charge, or penalty, or restitution, or any other synonym. They used the word bribe. These are not the same thing.). Vandal Savage makes it clear that he has bribed the judges ALREADY to get a result he wants. (said in S2 E19)

Word of Greg (Question id 15932) is that Rimbor is not just corrupt, it's "institutionally, constitutionally corrupt". It is "A world largely inhabited by criminals, smugglers, etc.", It's basically a pirate haven.

They are not asking for restitution, they're not asking for punitive fines. They're actively and explicitly using their position of power and the facade of legitimacy to extort who they can, and were going to find them guilty anyway because they had been bribed. No one on the planet cares if the Justice League did it. The ONLY reason they didn't is that the Reach's actions on earth came to light publicly in the middle of the trial.

Saying a Fine and a Bribe are the same thing is, as I said, both Pedantic and Wrong, it's like calling a fetus a parasite, and then saying that the morning after pill is the same as ivermectin because it's an anti-parasitic drug.

Is it as corrupt as Garnet (Jack T. Chance's homeworld), though?

Lex might, if only so he can laugh about it.

I don't know about that. The rest of The Light might take umbrage at Lex deliberately screwing with their plan to drag the League through the mud.
 
Well the desire to be a good person is still there, so big blue is ostensibly buried under the reprogramming. How to get him out?
They have access to an entire ocean full of wizards, a divine lasso of truth, an entire planet of telepaths with super powers right next door, and the desire manipulation powers of the main character. I think they will be just fine.
 
So the Eradicator program just brainwashes kryptonians into racism?

Xenophobia, not just racism, at least in the comics.

To Kem-L, the fact that Superman likes baseball, heavy metal, apple pie, and is a Methodist are all signs that the poor Kryptonian has been infected by inferior non Kryptonian, and hence, non perfect, cultures.

Kem-L in the comics used the Eradicator to isolate Krypton from the wider universe both physically and culturally. Which means, of course, that without that isolationism, the Kryptonians would not have been genocided by the destruction of Krypton.

So like I typed before, Kem-L is a real shit.
 

Just want to put my 2 cents in about an often forgotten aspect of history. Many modern institutions have simply become more legitimate as time passes. More than one noble family started out as highway robbers that were successful enough to build a fort, which became a castle, and at some point made an oath of fidelity to another successful robber family. Then groups of these became a kingdom.

Similar stories about mafia gangs that have disappeared over time. Eventually the most hot headed thug wants a better future for their family. Or their kids want to do better than their parents. Or the bad leaders are replaced with more diplomatic ones.

What has become the miracle of more modern nations is that such pasts have not been forgotten, and the better civilizations even keep trying to do better instead of just accepting the status quo. We are more aware of past mistakes, but i believe we keep improving as a species anyway.

A lot of Sci fi I read has an undercurrent of aliens just not doing that fire one reason or another. Getting stuck in thinking slavery is just part of the way things are, might makes right, once a leader surrendered their followers have as well, the only people that matter is your own species, etc, etc, etc.
 

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