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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

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BartlettMagic said:
question (and apologies if this has already been addressed):

i've read in various places, including this story i think, that there are certain multi-universal constants, Darkseid being one of them, Highfather, etc... meaning that if Grayven's universe's Darkseid would somehow be killed, he's not really dead because he still exists in other universes and what really got killed was maybe like the equivalent of getting his pinky finger cut off. please correct me if i'm wrong on that, because it's what leads me to my question-

is Grayven the same? because our Renegade Grayven is really, originally, OL who then merged with the Renegade Universe Grayven in a big cosmic mind meld. OL and Grayven are now functionally the same person, their memories are combined, OL now has OG Grayven's insights into Apokolips' politics. is Grayven also a multi-universal constant (which i would think he is, since conquest is pretty ubiquitous), and if so, does that then mean that the Renegade OL is now part of the Paragon OL's Grayven? Renegade OL would be a drop in the bucket of multi-universal Grayven, but that drop would diffuse throughout the multiverse and now be part of the greater multi-universal concept that is Grayven, no?

i hope that makes sense.
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Well, in canon, Final Crisis essentially says that the answer is yes, but in this story, who knows? Everything's been nerfed, so I don't know if that applies here or not.
 
BartlettMagic said:
question (and apologies if this has already been addressed):

i've read in various places, including this story i think, that there are certain multi-universal constants, Darkseid being one of them, Highfather, etc... meaning that if Grayven's universe's Darkseid would somehow be killed, he's not really dead because he still exists in other universes and what really got killed was maybe like the equivalent of getting his pinky finger cut off. please correct me if i'm wrong on that, because it's what leads me to my question-

is Grayven the same? because our Renegade Grayven is really, originally, OL who then merged with the Renegade Universe Grayven in a big cosmic mind meld. OL and Grayven are now functionally the same person, their memories are combined, OL now has OG Grayven's insights into Apokolips' politics. is Grayven also a multi-universal constant (which i would think he is, since conquest is pretty ubiquitous), and if so, does that then mean that the Renegade OL is now part of the Paragon OL's Grayven? Renegade OL would be a drop in the bucket of multi-universal Grayven, but that drop would diffuse throughout the multiverse and now be part of the greater multi-universal concept that is Grayven, no?

i hope that makes sense.
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Nope.

New Gods in this story are just powerful demigods, not avatars for some higher self.
 
BartlettMagic said:
question (and apologies if this has already been addressed):

i've read in various places, including this story i think, that there are certain multi-universal constants, Darkseid being one of them, Highfather, etc... meaning that if Grayven's universe's Darkseid would somehow be killed, he's not really dead because he still exists in other universes and what really got killed was maybe like the equivalent of getting his pinky finger cut off. please correct me if i'm wrong on that, because it's what leads me to my question-
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That's post flashpoint continuity.

As a rule (This story has used bits and pieces, like Kon meaning abomination in Kryptonese), we have no truck with post flashpoint continuity here.
 
BartlettMagic said:
question (and apologies if this has already been addressed):

i've read in various places, including this story i think, that there are certain multi-universal constants, Darkseid being one of them, Highfather, etc... meaning that if Grayven's universe's Darkseid would somehow be killed, he's not really dead because he still exists in other universes and what really got killed was maybe like the equivalent of getting his pinky finger cut off. please correct me if i'm wrong on that, because it's what leads me to my question-

is Grayven the same? because our Renegade Grayven is really, originally, OL who then merged with the Renegade Universe Grayven in a big cosmic mind meld. OL and Grayven are now functionally the same person, their memories are combined, OL now has OG Grayven's insights into Apokolips' politics. is Grayven also a multi-universal constant (which i would think he is, since conquest is pretty ubiquitous), and if so, does that then mean that the Renegade OL is now part of the Paragon OL's Grayven? Renegade OL would be a drop in the bucket of multi-universal Grayven, but that drop would diffuse throughout the multiverse and now be part of the greater multi-universal concept that is Grayven, no?

i hope that makes sense.
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Did they steal that from Transformers?

Basically, none of that in canon here. As far as I'm concerned, each instance of Darkseid or whoever is only linked to other versions of that character in the same way that all other characters are. With the possible exception of Psycho Pirate.
 
hkim said:
Sewers. Moron.
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Ah, the Dalek Sludge. Yes, they were very poo-like. No, I didn't make the connection. I don't feel that name-calling is necessary; it's been over a decade since that came out, and I certainly haven't rewatched it. (Though I liked some of what they did with Missy before her inevitable return to being the Master, that was later than Clara).
 
boo600 said:
Ah, the Dalek Sludge. Yes, they were very poo-like. No, I didn't make the connection. I don't feel that name-calling is necessary; it's been over a decade since that came out, and I certainly haven't rewatched it. (Though I liked some of what they did with Missy before her inevitable return to being the Master, that was later than Clara).
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Don't worry -

At "one", the city begins shaking; Davros wonders what's happening. The Doctor has two words for him "Moron" and "Sewers". Missy begins laughing. The Doctor has used Davros' own plan against him...
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- it's not you being called a name there. ;)
 
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