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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

he got play because he didn't do his research but undoing this whole mess would eat more time and effort and OL doesn't seem motivated enough to fix this entire mess
Undoing the mess would take five minutes.

And will save him a bucket load of time and trouble in the long run because the Thanagarians are absolutely not going to just accept this.
 
Undoing the mess would take five minutes.

And will save him a bucket load of time and trouble in the long run because the Thanagarians are absolutely not going to just accept this.
Well yes. But he's bored now, so he doesn't want to. 🐍

More importantly, he knew Hyathis was going to be playing games from minute one of laying down the law and decided he didn't care. Those games came to fruition much faster than he expected, but it's a mild annoyance rather than something he needs to fix. "You've rules-lawyered me, which is annoying, but fair play."
 
So Orange Lantern is just gonna accept getting screwed over and take it up the ass.

How fun. :rolleyes:
He wanted the mass death to STOP, because people had started trying to use stars to sacrifice entire populations (to demons, even!)

Everything else is a lower priority, and he isn't generally against slave revolts - ones which manage to be bloodless plebescites that lead smoothly into having an equal educational plan are really good, even!

I suspect his problem is more or less the same as Bleez's: The non-Hyathis Thanagarians are going to be insufferable about this. But that's still less immediate a problem that 'cultists are going to sacrifice the souls of an entire solar system' and, well... They were the oppressors here anyway.

Undoing the mess would take five minutes.

And will save him a bucket load of time and trouble in the long run because the Thanagarians are absolutely not going to just accept this.
He could fix the physical and immediate bureaucratic problems, but the reputational ones of violating the spirit of the agreement immediately would be annoying; Hyathis complied with the main part of the agreement and even asked clarifying questions.

Conversely, a reputation for having red lines, but accepting a certain degree of shenanigans below that and especially respecting the letter of his treaties... Might be more good than bad for his efforts with the Reach. Won't hurt, anyway.
 
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Bleez, wide-eyed, breathes heavily through the paper bag I gave her.

I nod slowly. "So you're either going to get a promotion, or be marked for death. Um. It probably won't affect your day-to-day life all that much-"
Ah, she's feeling the inevitable panic of realising her association with OL might put her in the firing line of any revenge scheme against him? 😏 I'm sure she's not significant enough for them to bother with her.

She turns her head to stare at me.

"-now that you've living on Earth. Alternately, you could see what sort of interest there was on Havania for switching sides, which-."
Being that far from home might help keep her safe, sure.

"WE'RE ON THE WRONG SIDE!"

"I mean… Arguably, but-."

"NO NOT-! The wrong side of the Empire!"
Ah, right. Because the Empire spread on all sides, not just towards Antares.

"Have you considered moving it?"

"You…" Her face stills. "Have no idea how terrifying that question is, do you?"
...I mean, he could well be suggesting moving the whole planet, possibly even the stellar system. That's within his power while merged with the Ophidian.

"I mean, you're mostly self-sufficient, so it shouldn't disrupt vital trade-."

Jade regards me with what might be pity. "She means that the ability to move planets is terrifying."
Because simply relocating the population is probably a bit too much of a jump.

"Why? Planets move all the time. That's what an orbit is."

She keeps looking at me.

"And a day."
Ah, he's playing the fool a little to help ease Bleez's nerves, isn't he?

She averts her eyes, biting her lip.

"It is!"
Ah, the mild amusement...

Bleez lowers the bag. "Okay, that's cute, what you're doing right now, but it doesn't help with this whole-." She looks around. "This isn't even a thanagarian planet any more!"

"It's not like the thanagarians have been kicked off. The lizarkon training camps were on the continent they didn't settle because it was too hot and dry, and as you said, there's no native population."
But the winged folks are in the minority now. That's got to be a peculiar feeling.

She frowns-.

"I mean, native species, not-."

"Whatever! But they're going to be ruled by Hyathis!"
Ah, that's what this is about, eh? Dealign with the fact that the being her culture has probably been demonising might not be the monster she thought they were.



"I realise that your mother never met her, but your father did, right?"
Perhaps he told her stories...

"Actually, we're-" Wings flap above us as two members of the Swords of Alstair come in to land, and Commander Andar removes his helmet. Not that Andar, the Commander's first name is 'Fel'. This is the fellow who's supposed to be guarding Tamaran. "-going to be ruling it."
Bit of a promotion, then, in terms of duties if not in rank.

Bleez looks at him with distaste. "Ah, who are you?"

"Commander Fel Andar of the Blades of Alstair. Or I suppose that should be 'of the Antares stellar navy', now."

"Oh, you're one of… Those."
Hey, now. Rein in the disdain, honey. He's just like you, you know. Bleeds the same colour and everything.

"What, you were expecting-" He raises his right hand to gesture to his face. "-me to be green? HAH! I would have thought that you would have seen that for the lie that it is."

"I never said I was immune to propaganda! But you're a mercenary-"
Now, now. Just because he works for better money than a regular army officer... That doesn't make him a bad guy.

"Not a very-" / "Not any-." / "-good one."

"-and you're fine with an alien ruling-"

Commander Andar turns to me. "Excuse me?"
Ah, OL getting his goat, hmm?

"-you!"

"I realise that your contract with Tamaran had an emergency release contingency, but you can't be surprised that I'm annoyed that you used it."
Well, you did hire a group calling themselves 'the Blades of Hyathis', why be surprised when they respond to her call? 😏

His eyes widen. "Oh that! No, Commodore Amalak's people are replacing us as trainers, and their alliance is strong enough that we were surplus to requirements anyway."

That's… Not really my problem. I could have gotten more involved with Vega-.
Like the Renegade did? Eh, it'd mean having to deal with or head off certain mercenary instincts amongst the parties. That might mean more killing...

"And Adam Blake advised this course of action."

I flap my right hand. "Fine."
Ah, leaving it to be on Adam's head if it backfires, then.

"Queen Hyathis is already in talks to join their alliance."

I sigh. "Of course she is. So she's going to expand in that direction and not test my patience."
Presumably she plans to work out an agreeable colonisation plan for the space between her and the Crown Imperium so that they don't come to blows over desirable territory.

"Yes to the first. As to the second…" He wing-shrugs. "And as for being ruled by an alien? Yes. I am. Queen Hyathis rules many peoples even on Alstair, and she shows no favouritism between them. Likewise, she never treated us any differently… Save for when it was physiologically relevant. I know for certain that you cannot say that about Havania, much less the rest of the Empire."
...He's got a point.

"No? I knew that, but that's not a problem for us!"

He hisses dismissively. "You are so privileged that equality looks like oppression. We're not going to oppress the thanagarians or the lizarkons. We have plans for building new farms and schools-."
Unearthing an ugly side of Bleez's cultural upbringing, I see.

"Conrall has schools-"

"-for the lizarkons."
...Maybe stop talking past him, Bleez and listen.

He looks at her expectantly.

"They're being taught now."
No, they're being trained. Boot Camp is not the kind of education you want for a future civilian population, for the most part... Sure, them all having military readiness training is handy, but they will need knowledge of non-combat skills.

He smiles. "For the first time in centuries, the Antares Empire does not require more soldiers. Since their education is so poor, the adults will receive education in basic trades, but the children will receive the same comprehensive education that the thanagarian children do."
Which is probably a lot more than they'd get under Imperial rule.

Jade's clearly amused. "Why is that a problem, Bleez?"

"Because I wanted to reform the Empire and now they're going to double down! Do you think I'm going to be able to make things better for Havania's slaves now?!"
So you'll have to work harder. Is that the problem, hmm?

"What's-" Vulcan trudges out of his partially complete workshop. "-all the noise-. Paul?"

"Lord Vulcan." I bow. "Slight problem."
They must have been getting loud to draw him away from the forge, even if he was taking a break...

He smiles. "Ptchu! I'm surprised it took this long! I knew getting involved in a Discordian's schemes would be a rocky path. What happened?"

"This planet got annexed by the Thanagarian Empire's main enemy and because I didn't know that until after I witnessed the peace treaty I'm obliged to help them keep it."

"What's that to me?"
Heh. A laid-back attitude to it, I see.

"You'll be making Nth metal for someone else?"

He shrugs. "I have to cover my existing contracts, but other than that it doesn't bother me."
It's all about the challenge for him, of course. What does it matter who receives his gifted offcuts?

Commander Andar nods. "We will allow you to honour those, but moving Nth metal across the border will incur high tariffs. And we will take over the Empire's role in improving your facilities."

"Then it's no concern of mine." He turns around and heads back inside. "Take your argument to the forum. I'm trying to work in here."
That's fair. Wouldn't be the first time there's been a change of management around his workshops...

All over bar a bit of shouting, I guess. Still, OL got his media import license sorted, and there were minimal deaths, so... A decent conclusion. Could probably have been better, though I'm not sure how. Guess we'll get some consequences down the road, but for now... Time for OL and crew to go home.
 
I smile politely. "He wants me to kill you for the erotic titillation of my wife." I thrust my right arm out to the side and take an x-ionised sword out of subspace. "Die proudly, knowing that you have served a higher purpose in death than you ever did in life."
Letting you get some action tonight?
"About half my bed time stories growing up were Asimov."
You have some cool parents ngl.
Local Invincible stares at me, hovering in the air as he does so with his limbs going slack.

Eve on the other hand is frowning. "Are there.. two thousand eight hundred and thirteen more-?"

"It's the designation of this region of space, not the number of other Lanterns."
Could you imagine how productive 2814 Pauls could be?
I take a ten foot one inch pole out of subspace and wave it over the-.
Hah.
Ring… Who's awake?

Approximately two thirds of the human species.
Surprised it didn't list non-humans.
back in, appearing in… Side Beryl's house as she steps out of the bathroom wearing a towel.

We stare at each other for a moment.
Surprised that doesn't happen more often. Or have him greediport into even more compromising situations.
"Another successful trip, Yap! I'll take you for a walk-."
He really is kid at heart.
I consider offering to do that, then realise that they're probably warded, or… Written. He might have to… Speak to people by telephone like some sort of caveman.
The horror.
-even got the Invincible you've got a weird hard-on for."

Moustache Invincible raises an eyebrow. "Swearing doesn't make you cool."

"I wish I was swearing. This armour has multiphasic scanners. Human blood shows up in infrared."

All the Invincibles moue, eyes flicking briefly to Angstrom's crotch.
Ah, a hate-on.
Invincible span and jabbed twice, which Thong deflected before spinning to slam his heel down on Invincible's head.
Span?
Thong's face falls, along with the rest of the front of his body.
So he got cut in half, separating his upper and lower body?
A bullet slams into the side of my head!
He just couldn't let it slide could he.
"Sergeant Michael Phelps. Serial-."
Like the swimmer?
"Would someone who isn't a moron like to try it? I know who you are." I jab him in the face with his own paperwork. "We were leaving. You want us to leave. 'Name, rank, serial number' applies if we're at war, and I rather think you'd prefer that we weren't."
I'm not familiar with this procedure, what's the point of this?
"Thank you. Thank you." I begin replacing the construct bonds with chains of tungsten. "I will-."
Was the double 'Thank you' intentional.
I stare into the depths of my pint glass, watching the bubbles making up the foam on the head gradually burst. On the television in the corner of the room Batman is introducing the first few Global Peace Agency officers to a broadly positive reception, both from the audience and from the few people in the bar watching it.
He must be really depressed if he's drinking alcohol for once.
He nods. "Eve… You can-. Go. If you want."

Huh?

A quick glance at Eve suggests that she doesn't know where this has come from either.
Not a terrible thing for him to offer, but she probably won't accept.
The pink beam of energy hits him right in the face!
Yep.
"I dunno? I guess because we look like them. I mean, if you could get a.. fish pregnant, would you want to?"
Trust me, there's people that would.
"It doesn't even stick around for long enough for you to see it. I used to think that a fight between me and him would be a coin toss." I shake my head. "No. I thrash him in raw power, but it would not matter. And that trick Priest has of charging without a personal lantern, I can do that now."
Because he'll win a battle of attrition? Wonder if their skill levels are equal too.
On an unrelated note, is Krono in the Capital Wasteland?

Good thing he can restore the head or fizz as much as he likes using his Ring if he felt like it.
Does the fizz taste that good?
 
Everything else is a lower priority, and he isn't generally against slave revolts - ones which manage to be bloodless plebescites that lead smoothly into having an equal educational plan are really good, even!

I suspect his problem is more or less the same as Bleez's: The non-Hyathis Thanagarians are going to be insufferable about this. But that's still less immediate a problem that 'cultists are going to sacrifice the souls of an entire solar system' and, well... They were the oppressors here anyway.
Not that much less immediate considering "being insufferable about this" translates to "are almost certainly going to start collaborating with the same cultists instead of paying the tariffs"
 
Not that much less immediate considering "being insufferable about this" translates to "are almost certainly going to start collaborating with the same cultists instead of paying the tariffs"
Yeah... People really seem to be forgetting this...

And truth be told, I can't blame the Thanagarians at this point given they're being fucked over by everyone else.
 
So Orange Lantern is just gonna accept getting screwed over and take it up the ass.

How fun. :rolleyes:
Yes. That's what happens when you make a diplomatic treaty; you abide by it.

If you get a reputation as the kind of person who just goes back on their treaties because you've arbitrarily decided that you don't like the treaty anymore, then people stop making treaties with you because nobody wants to make treaties with people who cannot be trusted to uphold those treaties.

Ripping up a treaty the moment you decide you don't like it anymore is how you become an unreliable, treacherous tyrant that everyone wants to get rid of because you can't be trusted.


Incidentally, this is also why proper treaties typically require weeks if not months of negotiation by professionals who carefully write everything down in clear and incontrovertible terms so that everyone knows exactly what the treaty is and is not.

But OL decided to rush things, and as usual when you rush things it caused some problems.
 
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You have some cool parents ngl.
Dad lost some cool points for throwing way his old books when I'd happily have taken every single one.
He really is kid at heart.
All of him's a kid. Just a very intelligent one.
I don't think 'spunned' is correct.
So he got cut in half, separating his upper and lower body?
No, his front half went one way and his back half went the other.
I'm not familiar with this procedure, what's the point of this?
'Name, rank and serial number' are the details a soldier is obliged to provide to their captor under the Geneva Conventions. Like all aspects of the Conventions, it only apply to wars between countries.
Was the double 'Thank you' intentional.
Probably. It's been a while.
How long have you been on Tumblr?
Not intentionally.
Also, nice shoelaces.
[Looks down]

Thank you? They're the same design I've been wearing since I started this story. I heartily recommend them to anyone who finds that they're going through their soles too quickly.
 
Undoing the mess would take five minutes.

And will save him a bucket load of time and trouble in the long run because the Thanagarians are absolutely not going to just accept this.
In order for them to win this they'll have to fight a guy that can manipulate stars to a massive scale, a magical woman that can basically control all plant life on a planet, and a guy that can make Nth metal.

Their options aren't great.

They could try the Onymar route, but he'll screw them over, and Paul may not want to fight him, but he can win that fight, so even that's not that much of an option.
 
Vaermina doesn't actually have a set of standards or preferences that he's adhering to; he's a professional troll that's gotten banned from a bunch of threads on SV/SB. Don't expect general consistency; instead, expect a reasonable amount of consistency in him hating one of the Pauls - Renegade or Paragon, at least. He seems to be enjoying himself, given that he's kept it up for years, but he will occasionally react to events that just… blatantly didn't happen in story, or he'll react to events as if they were in a completely different context. I genuinely have no idea if he has an alternate WTR running in his head with a lore bible, just for kicks; he's an author himself. (He can also make up complete nonsense, like going to Exalted threads and claiming Malfeas is really tiny, and that people who enter it are shrunken down so it looks more impressive. Which just… isn't in anything.)
 
So Orange Lantern is just gonna accept getting screwed over and take it up the ass.

How fun. :rolleyes:

I'm not seeing where the screwing is coming in? I mean, there was an argument for it when the thought was that Hyathis was the one to drop a ton of colonists on this planet, and then have them overwhelm the resident Thanagarians in an instant vote to have the planet defect to her, but since we now know that what actually happened was Thanagar scooping up tons of Lizarkons from across the empire and concentrating them into training camps to be turned into "auxiliaries" for the war they were planning... The fact that the Thanagarians rewrote the demographics of one of their own worlds such that a clear majority preferred rule by Hyathis does not translate to Hyathis screwing over Paul surely?
 
"There are a couple of projects you could help me with."

"Oh?"

"Last year I talked one of Earth's more isolationist communities into sending a theatre troupe outside their country on a tour. Aside from an unfortunate event during their first performance, it went rather well. I'd quite like to do an exhibition on Tamaranean culture and history, give the people of Earth a look at what's going on off their world. I'm afraid that it probably won't lead to any new trading opportunities; the distance is just too great."

"I'm sure that we can put something together. Do you benefit in some way from such an exhibit?"

"I own a company which is making a role play game based on recent Vega history. A group of aliens visiting would be an amazing piece of advertising."


Considering we went through all that shit just now for thanagarian media, I'm curious if this will come up again
 
So Orange Lantern is just gonna accept getting screwed over and take it up the ass.

How fun. :rolleyes:
And you're aaaaaalllwwaaaayyys so angry that everything goes OL's way.

Edit:the real problem will be the peace inevitably going tits up. Hyathis has the Thanagarians over a barrel and they're prideful enough to be dumb and get help from a bigger stick.
 
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Vaermina doesn't actually have a set of standards or preferences that he's adhering to; he's a professional troll that's gotten banned from a bunch of threads on SV/SB. Don't expect general consistency; instead, expect a reasonable amount of consistency in him hating one of the Pauls - Renegade or Paragon, at least. He seems to be enjoying himself, given that he's kept it up for years, but he will occasionally react to events that just… blatantly didn't happen in story, or he'll react to events as if they were in a completely different context. I genuinely have no idea if he has an alternate WTR running in his head with a lore bible, just for kicks; he's an author himself. (He can also make up complete nonsense, like going to Exalted threads and claiming Malfeas is really tiny, and that people who enter it are shrunken down so it looks more impressive. Which just… isn't in anything.)
If you want to do this feel free to take it to Rants, otherwise this is the wrong thread for it.
 

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