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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

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... Did people miss what kori said last chapter about how she "wants to be someone who tries" to solve problems without resorting to genocide?

He's not scanning it because he cares, but because he wants to make Alan proud and provide a good example for his junior.

In his place I'd have gone for the kill-shot immediately, and I think he's endangering his friends and the whole human race by fucking around with this thing, but I respect the attempt.
 
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iamnuff said:
... Did people miss what kori said last chapter about how she "wants to be someone who tries" to solve problems without resorting to genocide?

He's not scanning it because he cares, but because we wants to make Alan proud and provide a good example for his junior.
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He actually made very clear in the previous update that he 100% still agrees with his prior actions, made no mention of reconsidering them based on Kori's words or Alan, and instead suggested Kori is a poor match for the lantern colour he embodies because of her attitudes to such things. Basically that he's fine as he is, but she's the one in need of change.

So... No. Not only is what you're suggesting not in the text, the text in fact says the exact opposite.

Darko said:
You do realise that people may sometimes lack a consistent mindset?
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Great. Maybe Zoat should actually convey some of his mindset, what feelings are determining his actions so people can at least make an attempt to understand the character.
 
iamnuff said:
... Did people miss what kori said last chapter about how she "wants to be someone who tries" to solve problems without resorting to genocide?

He's not scanning it because he cares, but because we wants to make Alan proud and provide a good example for his junior.

In his place I'd have gone for the kill-shot immediately, and I think he's endangering his friends and the whole human race by fucking around with this thing, but I respect the attempt.
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That's an interesting guess, but I'm pretty sure it has more to do with his altered mindset that may compel him to actually see what other people want, even when it would be illogical to do that.
 
Mr Zoat said:
Ring, play it relaxing music.

Compliance.
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I recommend Smooth Jazz.



Vaermina said:
No, but this was one of the few things left that could have given Paul a real fight for us to enjoy that wouldn't be, one way or another, a boring curb stomp.

But instead we get just another in a long line of author created Dues Ex Machina.
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Funny. If a story was that disappointing, I would've stopped reading years ago. I wouldn't stick around and be That Guy.

Also, DXMs magically solve a problem. We're not even sure what the problem is, or even if there is a problem. If anything, this is creating a greater problem and risk.
 
Flux Casey said:
He actually made very clear in the previous update that he 100% still agrees with his prior actions, made no mention of reconsidering them based on Kori's words or Alan, and instead suggested Kori is a poor match for the lantern colour he embodies because of her attitudes to such things. Basically that he's fine as he is, but she's the one in need of change.

So... No. Not only is what you're suggesting not in the text, the text in fact says the exact opposite.



Great. Maybe Zoat should actually convey some of his mindset, what feelings are determining his actions so people can at least make an attempt to understand the character.
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He does say that, then in this chapter he thinks about killing it and then says "kori and Alan are right there" and then visibly reigns in his more aggressive first response in favour of diplomacy.

So yeah, he probably does think that killing the starros is the right option, but he's trying to do it peacefully anyway, just so Kori knows that he tried.
 
Man everyone is complaining about Paul trying to not act as just a righteous face puncher, but things like this are my favorite part. He is legit trying to connect and understand the mind of a species that by all accounts has been universally hostile to see if there is any possibility for a genuine cooperation so genocide isn't necessary. Further unlike the Citadelians or Psions there isn't the same level of knowledge and study on the species to justify writing them completely off. I think that Paul is doing the most both the most ethical as well as most interesting thing by having a confrontation with the mother star and super hope that it works and cooperation becomes feasible whether or not it joins the Orange Lantern Corps.
 
theaceoffire said:
I've been told that is not gay in a three-way.

In fact? It's okay in a three-way.

Hang on I got a song about it here somewhere...
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You mean this song:



Wonder how Jade feels about Paul and his interest in giant space monsters?

First the Ophidian, then the Spider Queen and now a Mother Star.
 
Vaermina said:
No, but this was one of the few things left that could have given Paul a real fight for us to enjoy that wouldn't be, one way or another, a boring curb stomp.

But instead we get just another in a long line of author created Dues Ex Machina.
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Okay, listen. I understand that some of your grievances with the fic are valid and should get fixed, but for the last little while I've only seen you whine and whine and bitch and moan and complain and you get the picture. If you're no longer enjoying the content you're consuming, why are you consuming it? Find another fic that sparks your interest and go read that.
 
Vaermina said:
Dues Ex Machina
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I'm guessing you meant to say 'Deus Ex Machina'...

What I want to know, is why do you never have a goddess in a chair lowered down on a rope to 'fix' the end of the play? (I think that's what the Greeks supposedly did.)

Would that be a 'Dea Ex Machina'?

(I think 'dea' is Greek for 'goddess', in this context.)
 
Mother stars eat dreams.

Planet dreams? Or ALL the dreams?
 
Vaermina said:
No, but this was one of the few things left that could have given Paul a real fight for us to enjoy that wouldn't be, one way or another, a boring curb stomp.

But instead we get just another in a long line of author created Dues Ex Machina.
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So why the hell would he be so irrationally stupid as to try violence first?
 
Mr Zoat said:
Gosh
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Well Dreams lovers have been highly varied over the years.

Dear god, don't tell me the Star Conquerors became as they are because he screwed them over when the relationship went sour.

It would make some sick amount of sense, he did take away the ability to dream from an entire race because one person of said race cheated on him, banished another one to Hell etc., so we know he has a habit of treating his lovers as shit.
 
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doug89 said:
First we got Orange Lantern Mother of Mercy. Now are we going to get Orange Lantern Mother Star?
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fictionfan said:
I doubt it. The Guardians actually tend to be happy when they can in good conscious declare things not their problem.
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Dox on the other hand.

"How did you...no never mind it doesn't matter how you did it since you always do these things."

"Well it's a long story and..."

"No don't bother, I sent the cluster corp fleet to keep you occupied and hoped you could stay out of trouble.
Obviously I underestimate your ability to find it"
 
Vaermina said:
Mind you, Zoat made it magically die on it's own, so there's no real point in doing anything.
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This sounds like it's meant to be insulting to Zoat, but remember that the Mother Star has been in stasis for half a million years, that's about the time when the GLC killed the Starros, so it is fully possible for the system keeping her alive to malfunction.
 
Darko said:
This sounds like it's meant to be insulting to Zoat, but remember that the Mother Star has been in stasis for half a million years, that's about the time when the GLC killed the Starros, so it is fully possible for the system keeping her alive to malfunction.
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While technically true, it didn't have that problem in the original story Zoat's borrowing this from.

Which means it's something Zoat added.

And while that sort of thing isn't bad per say, it's becoming a rather alarming trend in Zoat's writing of "nerf a thing that might be a threat to Paul". Which can rather easily evolve into a Skysaber/Lionheart level problem where the SI just dances around the setting and the universe literally bends to make things work out for them.
 
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While technically true, it didn't have that problem in the original story Zoat's borrowing this from.

Which means it's something Zoat added.

And while that sort of thing isn't bad per say, it's becoming a rather alarming trend in Zoat's writing of "nerf a thing that might be a threat to Paul". Which can rather easily evolve into a Skysaber/Lionheart level problem.
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This wouldn't be the first time Zoat has altered something to give it a bit more realism.

In the pony episodes there was a pegasus that was sent to prison for her crimes, while in the TV show she didn't go to prison.

Zoat added things like that because it makes sense for a civilization to have things like that, as otherwise it may not work as a civilization.

The stasis of the Mother Star failing after around 500.000 years makes a whole lot of sense, even if it didn't happen in the comic books.
 
Darko said:
This wouldn't be the first time Zoat has altered something to give it a bit more realism.

In the pony episodes there was a pegasus that was sent to prison for her crimes, while in the TV show she didn't go to prison.

Zoat added things like that because it makes sense for a civilization to have things like that, as otherwise it may not work as a civilization.

The stasis of the Mother Star failing after around 500.000 years makes a whole lot of sense, even if it didn't happen in the comic books.
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That "realism" was added by removing canon "realism" that already existed.

Or to be glib, Zoat rejected the existing realism and substituted his own. And he did so in a way that, instead of being logical, once again, just made things easy for his SI.

See, the canon "realism" was that Starro "stasis" was just freezing them in ice. Because, their biology was such, that they suffer no negative effects from being frozen. So really, "magic stasis field" is less "real" then what already existed.
 
Vaermina said:
That "realism" was added by removing canon "realism" that already existed.

Or to be glib, Zoat rejected the existing realism and substituted his own. And he did so in a way that, instead of being logical, once again, just made things easy for his SI.

See, the canon "realism" was that Starro "stasis" was just freezing them in ice. Because, their biology was such, that they suffer no negative effects from being frozen. So really, "magic stasis field" is less "real" then what already existed.
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Being trapped in ice for hundreds of thousands of years would damage a lot of things.

Even if their biology allowed them to somehow survive that, it has been a long time since they went in there so a LOT of things could have gone wrong.

Things going wrong after spending half a million years on ice is far, far more realistic than nothing going wrong.
 
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Darko said:
Being trapped in ice for hundreds of thousands of years would damage a lot of things.

Even if their biology allowed them to somehow survive that, it has been along time since they went in there so a LOT of things could have gone wrong.

Things going wrong after spending half a million years on ice is far, far more realistic than nothing going wrong.
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Something going wrong, would require outside action damaging the frozen Starro in the ice.

The catch 22 with that however, is that anything energetic enough to damage the Starro through the ice, would break the ice waking up the Starro.
 
Vaermina said:
Something going wrong, would require outside action damaging the frozen Starro in the ice.

The catch 22 with that however, is that anything energetic enough to damage the Starro through the ice, would break the ice waking up the Starro.
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Not... really.

Things can break down without any outside interference, they do so many times, plus the process may not have been perfectly executed when it was frozen.

And if something did want to kill the Starro it wouldn't necessarily break the ice.

There may be a lot of exotic weapons that can kill it without damaging the ice.

A weapon meant to only target organic things, without doing harm to non organics, would be able to harm the Starro without damaging the ice.
 
Darko said:
Not... really.

Things can break down without any outside interference, plus the process may not have been perfectly executed when it was frozen.

And if something did want to kill the Starro it wouldn't necessarily break the ice.

There may be a lot of exotic weapons that can kill it without damaging the ice.

A weapon meant to only target organic things, without doing harm to non organics, would be able to harm the Starro without damaging the ice.
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Again, in canon it wasn't "magic stasis that might break down" or "a process that might only partially work", it was binary yes or no sort of thing.

As to exotic weapons, there amusingly isn't, miles of ice make an insanely good shield against things like radiation that would normally pass right through matter.


Mr Zoat said:
Well...

I've written it.

See how it goes tomorrow.
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That's certainly ominous. :D
 
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