With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

[iamnuff]

It was pretty obvious to a lot of us exactly what the starro's were trying to do several minutes before the mother-star emerged.

I hope it's revealed that something was tampering with his threat-assessment telepathically, otherwise it does kinda feel like he dropped the ball.
Even after he worked out that it was a mother-star, he told Kori first and asked about her telepathic resistance, instead of warning everyone through comms and asking for backup.
As though mental resistance training is going to even slow down something that size.

He's right about getting her a blue ring though, the orange one does her a disservice.

 

[Mr Zoat]

Also, here are a few more corrections for Tamaranean:

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Corrected.

 

[Ace Dreamer]

Clearly the thing to do is create a new sort of ring, the Kelvin Ring. These are blue-white, and have a distressing tendency for liquid air to drip from them. The motto of the KL Corps will be:

"Freeze first, ask questions later."

You understand, they're into the preservation of life. At absolute zero.

(Another characteristic of them is to use the forehead in hand-to-hand fights; Kelvin.)

((I hereby give permission for anyone to use the Kelvin Lantern Corps in their own works of non-profit fiction.))

 

[Kalem_Lee]

Oh F$!k buckets.

SPACE BATTLE ROYAL! FIGHT TO SURVIVE.

 

[Darko]

Clearly the thing to do is create a new sort of ring, the Kelvin Ring. These are blue-white, and have a distressing tendency for liquid air to drip from them. The motto of the KL Corps will be:

"Freeze first, ask questions later."

You understand, they're into the preservation of life. At absolute zero.

(Another characteristic of them is to use the forehead in hand-to-hand fights; Kelvin.)

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New 52 Mr Freeze would fit right in, what with his desire to preserve life by freezing things.

Come to think of it, this stories version of Freeze may also fit into something like that.

Think Zoat said that this stories version of him was never married and may have become a supervillain for...reasons, probably some supervillain bullshit.

Here's a video that shows why a supervillains motivations for their actions and beliefs can be utter bullshit:

Spoiler: This doesn't track

 

[Ace Dreamer]

Here's a video that shows why a supervillains motivations for their actions and beliefs can be utter bullshit:

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I think most super-vil motivations can be summed-up as, "It seemed like a good idea at the time, and then things snowballed...".

(May be particularly appropriate for Mr Freeze. )

 

[Darko]

I think most super-vil motivations can be summed-up as, "It seemed like a good idea at the time, and then things snowballed...".

(May be particularly appropriate for Mr Freeze. )

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Those were probably the thoughts Lex had when he joined the Light.

Also here's a little tribute to that Psycho video:

Lex: And so, after losing my hair in a laboratory accident I decided to become a corrupt corporate CEO that despises anyone that isn't a human, or as brilliant as myself, which no one is, and my greatest desire is to rule the universe as its absolute god and have everyone worship me whenever I so much as take a shit.

Everyone that has any sanity: I'm not sure that tracks.

 

[Siskulous]

To think that Pluto is really a Star Conqueror is a very big jump, especially since they only knew there were Star Conquerors on the Ship for less than half an hour.

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I disagree entirely. They only KNEW that there were Star Conquerors on the ship for half an hour, but they SUSPECTED before they even found the ship. And, as I said before, anyone with a functioning brain and any knowledge about them who took 10 seconds to ask themselves why the Star Hunters were shooting Pluto with a mining laser would have come up with a very short list of possible answers, with "there's a big Star Conqueror trapped down there" being right at the top of the list.

I hope it's revealed that something was tampering with his threat-assessment telepathically, otherwise it does kinda feel like he dropped the ball.

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That's a possibility that hadn't occurred to me. Paul's telepathic defenses are pretty good, but not infallible. And it would neatly explain the planet sized idiot ball everyone's been carrying around for the last few updates.

 

[Ace Dreamer]

That's a possibility that hadn't occurred to me. Paul's telepathic defenses are pretty good, but not infallible. And it would neatly explain the planet sized idiot ball everyone's been carrying around for the last few updates.

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The problem that an author has in writing first-person PoV stories is that if the viewpoint character becomes an 'unreliable narrator', for some reason, then there isn't another PoV to point this out from.

So, if OL starts seeing illusions, or becomes an 'idiot ball handler', then it may take quite a while for readers to figure-out what's up. (Doc )

((Totally OT, I liked the idea that Buggy Bunny was an extension into 3d reality of a Cthuloid Old One, that was just having a bit of fun...
Sort of like a human reading the 'funny pages' of a newspaper (see 20th century history). ))

 

[hkim]

Alright, look, y'all.

There's lots of reasons to fire a mining laser at a planet in the DC-verse. It's fairly common from what we can tell. Further, as far as we know, that reason has never been "to release the monster hiding inside it". Yes, we know what it is because we're immersed in comics meta-theory every day and can check the wikis, but I think everyone's vastly overstating how obvious this is. It's not suspicious that Paul barely remembered in time, it's arguably suspicious in-universe that he thought of it at all.

 

[Darko]

Alright, look, y'all.

There's lots of reasons to fire a mining laser at a planet in the DC-verse. It's fairly common from what we can tell. Further, as far as we know, that reason has never been "to release the monster hiding inside it". Yes, we know what it is because we're immersed in comics meta-theory every day and can check the wikis, but I think everyone's vastly overstating how obvious this is. It's not suspicious that Paul barely remembered in time, it's arguably suspicious in-universe that he thought of it at all.

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Paul also doesn't have access to the DC wiki and is only going on what he remembers.

He may have been a comic enthusiast before coming to Earth 16, but he probably didn't read every single comic that came out.

 

[cereal_lurker]

Yes, we know what it is because we're immersed in comics meta-theory every day and can check the wikis, but I think everyone's vastly overstating how obvious this is. It's not suspicious that Paul barely remembered in time, it's arguably suspicious in-universe that he thought of it at all.

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I generally agree with the overall odds approach to this thinking. However, the last time Starro were seen (most immediate memory) was when the mid-size, non-magic Starro chose to kill itself to help the magic Starro escape and hide. This time we see the magic Starro having stolen a space ship, traveled to the outer edge of the system (and not farther, if it was attempting to flee somewhere), then stop to shoot a laser at Pluto, then stay and fight to the death even after the ship has been breached. Considering the utilitarian goal-oriented actions that Starro have taken so far including self-sacrifice, not considering what sorts of goals were being pursued is a failure of some note.

But on the other side, we've also seen the SI make mistakes when he's focused on the wrong thing.

EDIT: We've also seen from the interlude where Miss Martian transformed into a Starro that they can handle multiple activities simultaneously. Entirely possible that when this magic Starro beat the SI's magic wards, it mind-whammied him into distraction so he would miss the obvious.

 

[Darko]

EDIT: We've also seen from the interlude where Miss Martian transformed into a Starro that they can handle multiple activities simultaneously. Entirely possible that when this magic Starro beat the SI's magic wards, it mind-whammied him into distraction so he would miss the obvious.

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There was a scene where Alan pulls Paul away from the Conquerors when he seems to be affected mentally.

**Will not stop us. Can not stop us.**

The wards around the room-. No, the entire ClusterShip fail, and I see the trapped desires of the people the Star Conquerors are puppetting twisting and writhing, unable to express themselves-.

Alan shakes me, and I blink as I see that we've pulled back into the cargo area. He backs off slightly as I come to my senses.

"You feeling yourself again?"

I nod. Clever starfish.

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[Vaermina]

"Most people can learn to use any power ring to at least some degree. Ideally, people would be matched to those they suit best. I'm a good match for orange, and so is your sister. You… Clearly you can use it… But I've never been entirely convinced that it's… You. And I want to give you the opportunity to be the most you you can be."

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Called it.

"Orange Lantern Illustres to everyone, I think that Pluto is a Mother Star containment unit. Strongly suggest advising the Green Lantern Corps."

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Called this too.

It would still be a big jump to think that Pluto is really a continent sized Star Conqueror.

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But... I did...

 

[iamnuff]

Alright, look, y'all.

There's lots of reasons to fire a mining laser at a planet in the DC-verse. It's fairly common from what we can tell. Further, as far as we know, that reason has never been "to release the monster hiding inside it". Yes, we know what it is because we're immersed in comics meta-theory every day and can check the wikis, but I think everyone's vastly overstating how obvious this is. It's not suspicious that Paul barely remembered in time, it's arguably suspicious in-universe that he thought of it at all.

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It's really not.
The Starros have had basically one motivation thus far. To propagate their race and claim more slaves.
Their individual lives don't seem to really matter to them, but the previous 'normal' star conquerors seemed determined to protect the red chaos one.
Because magic is a new evolution that will be incredibly valuable to their entire species if they can get a Red Starro off-world and allow it to propagate.

Paul even pointed out that they might call for a Mother-Star in their first appearance. When he had to convince the green lanterns that Star Conquers were even real.
He also described it as a potentially apocalyptic threat. More on this later.

Now, in this arc, if they'd taken the clustership and fucked off into deep space, then maybe they were planning to flee earth where they are a recognised threat to go find some planet inhabited by helpless primitives or pre-sapient animals where they can build up their numbers and evolve some bigger forms to try to take on the galaxy again.
But they didn't.
They stopped at Pluto, even though they must have expected pursuit, given how the Earth-lifeforms have been combating them so far. Then they fired a giant laser at the planet.

This means that the Starros consider it worth the risk to their lives and the potential loss of the unique advantage that these new forms provide to the entire species, to fire upon whatever is hidden on pluto.
So either it's something that desperately needs to be destroyed (something even Starros are afraid of) or it's something that won't be harmed and will be 'acquired' instead by being fired upon.

And then the planet started moving. Sure, tectonic shifts due to the mass eruptions, whatever.
Except the eruptions stopped and the movement continued.
And then the planet started showing up on empathic vision.

This should have been a BIG FUCKING RED FLAG. Because it means that either Paul somehow managed to break his soul vision to the point where it's showing him things that aren't there, or there's something alive on Pluto that is shielded from him, moving, big enough to move significant chunks of a planet's mass and valuable enough to star conquerors to risk dying and losing their handful of only magical star-hunters.
There's one answer. Only one thing could possibly be so valuable.
It's a big fucking Starro, and they're trying to free it to either conquer the earth for them, or atleast to cover their escape.

And he ignored it.
And he continued to ignore it as the ship started to move towards the planet (or the planet towards the ship, he never bothered to check) while casually musing about how maybe they're moving because of 'invisible scry-warded thrusters' pushing them towards the planet, but he never bothered to check or do anything to course-correct the ship.

And he continued to ignore it as the soul-vision flash happened again, and then when he'd worked out what it was, he played around with a Star-Mother construct and asked Kori about her mental barriers, instead of screaming into his comms about the emerging star-mother to the Orange and Green Corps, to get as much backup as they can provide before this thing eats his entire planet and enslaves his species.

So yeah, Paul's threat assessment in this arc is way more lax than it was when Starros first showed up, when he explained to Guy that they were a civilisation ending threat that enslaved multiple entire species, and that the Green Lantern Corps had to throw into suns to dispose of.

Given that a star-hunter is so telepathically powerful that Miss Manhunter takes that form for a power-boost, and those are IIRC "fifteen meters from tip to tip" then something roughly the size of pluto (2370000 meters across) is almost certainly going to have the power to just shut down every brain within a couple of thousand miles.

It's posturing for now, flexing it's muscles and yelling 'I awaken' but I fully expect the opening of tomorrow's chapter to be it brainfucking everyone in the vicinity hard enough that they lose consciousness.
Good thing Paul wears a spacesuit under his ring-generated forcefield, otherwise he'd probably just instantly die when his ring shut off.
Assuming everyone effected doesn't just have their liquidifed brains pour out of their ears, I mean.

I don't think Mr Zoat is actually going to reduce a bunch of the cast (including the main character) to vegetables so suddenly, but that's how I expect a planet-sized telepath would fight. Just outright crushing the puny ant-sized minds of those around it into dust with zero effort.
Now, "planet sized" is a bit deceptive. It's not earth-sized. Pluto itself is only two-thirds the size of the moon.
But "moon sized" is still pretty respectable, given that the only other thing of comparable scale that scale I can think of is The Death Star.

Atom might be ok, since he has no organic brain, but it could still likely rip him to itty bitty shreds with telekinesis at this range.
Lantern Manga Khan might be good, since both his brain and his body are... like a weird cloud thing?
I'm not really sure what they can do to that.

I expect everyone else to be defeated by the first paragraph of the next chapter.

Edit: i'm not using wikis or any meta-knowledge beyond what Paul has access to.
It's obvious what they're doing, going by nothing more than their apparent motivations in their previous arcs, and the fact that they stopped fleeing to try to blow up pluto, for seemingly no reason, and Paul's orange-vision picking up a flicker on pluto, directly after having had his orange-vision blocked on the cluster-ship.

There's something alive on pluto. Magic-using starros can block his empathic vision.
The living thing on Pluto is big enough to survive getting hit with a giant planet-cracking laser.
And most damningly, the Starros thought it was worth risking being captured or killed to shoot at.

It's a starro, it was always going to be a starro.
I knew what this was a chapter ago, and I heavily suspected two chapters back.
Paul is usually more on-the-ball than this.

I suspect either a big telepathic field set to make people ignore the weirdness about the planet, or a spell cast on the ship.

 

[hkim]

I generate a construct of Pluto, with the denser mass as a more solid orange inside it.

"This is what's down there. And while I'm not sure what that is… If it were a Mother Star…"

I add definition and it fits… Horribly well.

"Orange Lantern Illustres to everyone, I think that Pluto is a Mother Star containment unit. Strongly suggest advising the Green Lantern Corps."

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It seems like he wants to be sure before hitting the PANIC button, which is sensible I guess? He definitely doesn't seem to be taking whatever's going on very seriously though.

E: What I want to know is why they took the Russian ships too. The ClusterShip(tm) has the mining laser they needed, but all the Russian spaceships had were.. well, Russians. Handy to have around in general, sure, but not so handy that it would be worth the increased exposure.

Did the Star Conquerers want to make sure they had cocktails for the trip?

 

[Birdsie]

Hahaha, oh boy.

Paul, I think it's about prime time for you to go Ophidian, because I somehow fail to see a success in this situation even if all of the Leagers attack it all at once. This is one of those situations where only an epic, explosive event can do anything to stop the monster.

 

[Darko]

But... I did...

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Yes and you had the ability to check the DC wiki, while all Paul has is his memory.

The fact that he probably hasn't read every single comic in existence can make things difficult.

It seems like he wants to be sure before hitting the PANIC button, which is sensible I guess? He definitely doesn't seem to be taking whatever's going on very seriously though.

E: What I want to know is why they took the Russian ships too. The ClusterShip(tm) has the mining laser they needed, but all the Russian spaceships had were.. well, Russians. Handy to have around in general, sure, but not so handy that it would be worth the increased exposure.

Did the Star Conquerers want to make sure they had cocktails for the trip?

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I think he is taking this seriously, but he's not panicking because that wouldn't help anyone.

As for why they took the Russian ships, well that could be explained as the Russian ships simply being too close to where they took the ClusterShip.

 

[Xmaster3000]

Yes and you had the ability to check the DC wiki, while all Paul has is his memory.

The fact that he probably hasn't read every single comic in existence can make things difficult.



I think he is taking this seriously, but he's not panicking because that wouldn't help anyone.

As for why they took the Russian ships, well that could be explained as the Russian ships simply being too close to where they took the ClusterShip.

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Pretty sure the Russian ships where how they got to the ClusterShip.

 

[ChiChi]

I'm sorry, I can't work out what you're correcting here.

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The image changes to shoe the Burner.
I'm sure shoe here should have been show right?

 

[Siskulous]

Alright, look, y'all.

There's lots of reasons to fire a mining laser at a planet in the DC-verse. It's fairly common from what we can tell. Further, as far as we know, that reason has never been "to release the monster hiding inside it". Yes, we know what it is because we're immersed in comics meta-theory every day and can check the wikis, but I think everyone's vastly overstating how obvious this is. It's not suspicious that Paul barely remembered in time, it's arguably suspicious in-universe that he thought of it at all.

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I think you're forgetting that Paul is a comics nerd from our world, so he should have the same meta-theory knowledge that we do.

There's lots of reasons to fire a mining laser at a planet in the DC-verse.

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If we were talking about a populated planet, sure. Or even one with lots of useful minerals. But Pluto is, as I said before, basically a dirty snowball. There's nothing to be gained from mining the planet itself except water, and if you're already in the Oort Cloud there are abundant and MUCH easier water sources to tap.

Yes and you had the ability to check the DC wiki, while all Paul has is his memory.

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Literally everything I know about star conquerors comes from this story. I don't remember ever seeing them in a comic back when I actually read the comics (and...well let's put it this way: last time I read comics regularly Superman was an energy being). So Paul's knowledge of them should be somewhat greater than mine. And "they must be trying to release a bigger one" was my first thought when they started shooting a mining laser at Pluto.

Nah, no matter how you slice it, Paul's holding an idiot ball here. Common Sense Paul would have had all the space-capable Justice Legauers, whatever fledgling space force he's managed to get put together, and as many lanterns of all colors as he could get already on sight to fight the thing.

 

[Vaermina]

Yes and you had the ability to check the DC wiki, while all Paul has is his memory.

The fact that he probably hasn't read every single comic in existence can make things difficult.

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Amusingly that bit about the Star Conqueror ship being Pluto was solely from memory.

Also the logic outlined by "Iamnuff" was pretty sturdy.

 

[Darko]

I think you're forgetting that Paul is a comics nerd from our world, so he should have the same meta-theory knowledge that we do.



If we were talking about a populated planet, sure. Or even one with lots of useful minerals. But Pluto is, as I said before, basically a dirty snowball. There's nothing to be gained from mining the planet itself except water, and if you're already in the Oort Cloud there are abundant and MUCH easier water sources to tap.



Literally everything I know about star conquerors comes from this story. I don't remember ever seeing them in a comic back when I actually read the comics (and...well let's put it this way: last time I read comics regularly Superman was an energy being). So Paul's knowledge of them should be somewhat greater than mine. And "they must be trying to release a bigger one" was my first thought when they started shooting a mining laser at Pluto.

Nah, no matter how you slice it, Paul's holding an idiot ball here. Common Sense Paul would have had all the space-capable Justice Legauers, whatever fledgling space force he's managed to get put together, and as many lanterns of all colors as he could get already on sight to fight the thing.

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Why do you assume that Paul has meta knowledge about this particular Starro?

Yes he is a nerd that enjoyed reading comics when he was on his version of Earth, but that doesn't mean that he's read every single comic ever published.

He may just know that the Starros exist and that they like to mind control people, he may not know about any particular story-line featuring them, either because he hasn't red said storyline, or has just forgotten about it.

His knowledge of them is greater than yours, but it's not perfect or complete.

Lots of the meta knowledge he may have from the comics is unreliable in Earth 16 since the facts on Earth 16 contradict what he red in the comics.

In the comics Blackfire betrayed her people to the Citadel. Here she and her sister were taken because their brother joined a resistance group.

In the comics Captain Nazi was a product of science and his brother was a scientist. Here his brother, who technically isn't even his brother, was a magician and he was a product of magic.

In the comics Dr Sivana cheated on his wife and had Georgia and Junior with the woman he cheated on Venus with. Here he had all his children with Venus.

In the comics Alan Scott's ring was made from the magic the Guardians took from the universe. Here it's a damaged green ring that belonged to a traitor.

In the comics Grayven was sired by Darkseid with some random woman in the universe. Here he was sired with Mortalla.

In the comics Mortalla was evil. Here she's a meek woman that's afraid of her own shadow.

In the comics Nabu was a billion year old god. Here he's just a 7000 year old Lord of Order.

In the comics the Amazons would kill any man that steps foot on their island and even when they didn't do that they were still hostile. Here they're pretty reasonable.

In the comics Zatanna was an adult. Here she's a teenager.

In the comics the Chief was a manipulative bastard. Here he's just a metahuman psychologist.

In the comics the color yellow can beat a green ring. Here I'm pretty sure that only the yellow light, or some exotic energy that's yellow, can do that and not a bucket of yellow paint.

In the comics every criminal in Gotham was locked up in Arkham. Here the only ones locked up in there are those that are insane and not those that may just have some emotional problems at worst, like the Penguin.

In the comics Mr Freeze was trying to save his wife. In this story he is a bachelor.

Paul does have a lot of meta knowledge, but is isn't complete or completely reliable.

Another reason for them shooting a laser at Pluto could have been to get some rare resource, one that isn't a Mother Star, that can only be found there and nowhere else.

There are planets in the DC universe where some materials can only be found in one place and nowhere else, like Thanagar and Nth metal.

Amusingly that bit about the Star Conqueror ship being Pluto was solely from memory.

Also the logic outlined by "Iamnuff" was pretty sturdy.

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Wow you managed to remember a tidbit that the SI wasn't able to, and yet you somehow seem to forget some of the things that the SI and Zoat have said and done multiple times.

You do realize that he probably hasn't red every single comic in existence, right?

 

[iamnuff]

It seems like he wants to be sure before hitting the PANIC button, which is sensible I guess? He definitely doesn't seem to be taking whatever's going on very seriously though.

E: What I want to know is why they took the Russian ships too. The ClusterShip(tm) has the mining laser they needed, but all the Russian spaceships had were.. well, Russians. Handy to have around in general, sure, but not so handy that it would be worth the increased exposure.

Did the Star Conquerers want to make sure they had cocktails for the trip?

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I think they grabbed the Russian ships to get into space, then used that to get to the Cluster-corp ship, which had the capability to actually get to pluto.

It's not super clear what the Russians were doing when they vanished.
Flying into space to meet a Clustercorp ship in orbit, presumably.

Why do you assume that Paul has meta knowledge about this particular Starro?

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You don't need meta-knowledge, except to know that Mother Stars exist.

The starros stole a ship and left earth>The starros stopped fleeing at Pluto, so there must be something they want here> The starros started digging for something in the planet's mantle with a giant laser>The planet is showing flashes of emotion on Soul Vision>

It's a mother-star. You don't need a wiki to work that out.
The green arrow is when you should start guessing at what the worst case senario could be, just so you aren't caught off-guard.
The yellow arrow is when you'd have to start seriously considering the possibility that they are infact trying to dig out a mother-star, and the red one is total confirmation and time to call in back-up immediately.
You don't need a wiki, and you don't need to have read a comic book in which there was a mother-star contained within the Sol system.
All you need is the merest sliver of genre-savvy, and enough intelligence to actually question what their motivations might actually be.

Paul waited out all three and then stood around chatting for several minutes until the world actually cracked open and the starro jumped out.

 

[Siskulous]

Why do you assume that Paul has meta knowledge about this particular Starro?

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I think you've missed the point of what I was trying to say by focusing on what I meant as a tertiary detail. That could perhaps be a fault of how I presented it. Even if we discount that he's a comics nerd and assume he never heard of Star Conquerors before waking up in orbit, he's encountered Starros before in this story.

He doesn't have to know anything at all about this particular one. He knows enough about Starros that guessing at their motives should be easy. Their psychology is very simple after all. Their only motivation is conquest. It governs everything they do.

It's not about anything specific in DC's canon, it's about looking at what the Star Hunters have done in this story, what he knows from previous encounters with them in this story, and applying critical thinking to what they're doing now. He saw Star Hunters pointing a mining laser at Pluto. There are very, very few reasons that they could want to do that. Paul is PLENTY smart enough to connect those dots. The fact that he didn't, and didn't even bother looking into the context clues is odd to me. Telepathic

 

[Mr Zoat]

The image changes to shoe the Burner.
I'm sure shoe here should have been show right?

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Ah, yes. Thank you, corrected.

 

[LazySloth13]

One reason why I think Paul is so blaise about the situation is the fact that they're in the middle of space with hardly any chance of civilian casualties or collateral damage; he or any of the other lanterns can teleport or taxi the ship crews, Manga Khan has his ship insured though no luck for the Russians.

Plus it's not like the possibility of death should scare Paul much given the fact that he's been to heaven, hell, and hades and while he's unlikely to end up in the first he has created allies in the latter. He would be more worried about getting Starfire/Koriandor killed since it would sour his relation to Tameran and would look bad on him since he asked her to come to Earth with him, he's both her senior officer and trainer.

Who knows Paul could just transmute a ridiculous amount of neutronium then toss it into the planet blow it and the Starmother to smithereens.

 

[SaltyWaffles]

**I…**
A new eruption of rock and ice clears an area the size of India, hurling the material which previously covered it past the ClusterShip.
**Aaaaaaahhhh…**
A planet blinks at me.
**Awaken.**

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You've got to do it properly, DAT_NOOB . Use the "Insert Media" function instead of just "Insert Link".

 

[DAT_NOOB]

You've got to do it properly, DAT_NOOB . Use the "Insert Media" function instead of just "Insert Link".

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I'll try and remember that

 

[SaltyWaffles]

Yeah, the real problem was that even after he figured out that they were dealing with a Mother Star, he was awfully lackadaisical about it. Instead, he should have told Koriand'r to get everyone the hell out of there and then messaged the GLC that they had a motherfucking Mother Star waking up in Sol. And then called on Ophidian.

This is not a situation in which you waste time asking questions. It's a situation where literally every second is precious and you need things to happen NOW.

Hell, even when he detected avarice and something alive down on Pluto, he just downplayed it instead of treating it with the utmost seriousness that Star Conquerors deserve. Which is totally out of character for the same guy who went way out of his way to prepare tons of contingencies for all sorts of crazy scenarios (including finding out about Bane's biological father, no less).