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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

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Hey it worked on Black Adam. But I guess space magic could trump divine magic when it comes to life extension. Besides, we saw this trope played straight with Alan Scott.

edit: also, we're on page 1000! Are there any prizes?
 
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Agent Orange said:
Hey it worked on Black Adam. But I guess space magic could trump divine magic when it comes to life extension. Besides, we saw this trope played straight with Alan Scott.

edit: also, we're on page 1000! Are there any prizes?
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Teth in this fic does appear as a middle aged man when he transforms into an ordinary human.

Alan also isn't your standard mortal Lantern anymore, but he's more like an elemental, so he's a bit different.
 
Agent Orange said:
And Paul is a freak of nature/abomination who was never a 'standard mortal Lantern', what's your point? Should we take Paul as standard for Orange Lantern's abilities?
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No, but other Lanterns are more like the standard for your average ring user, so they should be able to live after losing their rings, even if they used them to extend their lives.
 
Darko said:
so they should be able to live after losing their rings, even if they used them to extend their lives.
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But who/what are you basing this conclusion on? Paul - a soulless abomination (conjured Ex nihilo by Mr Zoat at the start of the story) turned Orange Elemental trapped in flesh? Larfleese an insane gremlin overwhelmed by Orange light on top of belonging to a naturally stupidly long lived species? There were no other Orange Lanterns before Paul did his thing and they haven't been Lanterns long enough for aging to matter so any conclusions you draw are based on... what? One or two data points?
 
Agent Orange said:
But who/what are you basing this conclusion on? Paul - a soulless abomination (conjured Ex nihilo by Mr Zoat at the start of the story) turned Orange Elemental trapped in flesh? Larfleese an insane gremlin overwhelmed by Orange light on top of belonging to a naturally stupidly long lived species? There were no other Orange Lanterns before Paul did his thing and they haven't been Lanterns long enough for aging to matter so any conclusions you draw are based on... what? One or two data points?
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I just have a strong suspicion that they're not immediately going to age until they're dust when they take off their rings.

I'm pretty sure that I'm right.

Paul doesn't revert to look like he did before he came to Earth 16 when he takes his ring off, and Jade didn't revert to her previous self, when she didn't have a lot of empathy, when she took the ring off, so it's not that difficult to imagine that they won't suddenly age to dust when they take the ring off if they used it to extend their life.
 
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While there are certain life-extension spells that have a 'snap back' effect, biologically rebuilding your body doesn't.
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Is that because it doesn't repair DNA or because of soul shenanigans? And don't most people want to stay at peak functionality, which is effectively wanting immortality with extra steps? Like, I can't imagine most lanterns want to get old and decrepit even if they don't have any strong feelings relating to long-term lifespan.
 
Darko said:
Melmoth kinda gave an answer as to why they don't just leave with a spaceship.

They don't want to.

He said that they were sadistic and evil and they engage in Harrowings since it allows them to get resources and still lets them stay evil.

They could have just went to an era that did have space travel, like the 31st century, and taken a ship from there and then go to another planet, but they didn't since then they would have to change and stop being evil, which they don''t want to do.
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Which Melmoth doesn't want to do. We can't necessarily assume that the Sheeda are Always Chaotic Evil to the last man. Er, elf. Er, Sheeda. Anyway - based soley on his words.

Maybe all the ones at the top are, maybe most of them overall are, but there's bound to be at least one Drizz't amonst them somewhere.
 
Prince Charon said:
Oh, yeah. Grayven healed her after a (power-related) car accident, right?
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Yep.

BR549 said:
Which Melmoth doesn't want to do. We can't necessarily assume that the Sheeda are Always Chaotic Evil to the last man. Er, elf. Er, Sheeda. Anyway - based soley on his words.

Maybe all the ones at the top are, maybe most of them overall are, but there's bound to be at least one Drizz't amonst them somewhere.
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Unless they're literary born evil due to say something like a genetic memory.

Even if there are some non evil Sheeda they're most likely a very small minority.

There have been purely evil races shown in this story, like the Psions and Citadelians.

The Froggy Ninja said:
Is that because it doesn't repair DNA or because of soul shenanigans? And don't most people want to stay at peak functionality, which is effectively wanting immortality with extra steps? Like, I can't imagine most lanterns want to get old and decrepit even if they don't have any strong feelings relating to long-term lifespan.
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Different people want different things, so maybe some of the Lanterns may actually want to get old, due to say their culture respecting old age, or they may find immortality to not be something they want.

They may make themselves not experience any decrepit pains of old age, there are old people that can lead strong and exciting lives, but that's it.
 
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What period of Iron Man are you referring to?
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The first movie, specifically, although if incompetence from other countries is something you're looking for, the second has more of that...

but you can sub in many of the movies sponsored by US military as far as similar patriotic hype goes.
 
Senevri said:
The first movie, specifically, although if incompetence from other countries is something you're looking for, the second has more of that...

but you can sub in many of the movies sponsored by US military as far as similar patriotic hype goes.
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The US military hired Justine Hammer.
 
I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that the Harrowings are just as much a distraction from how shitty the Sheeda leadership is as they are a means for acquiring resources.

That "normal" Sheeda would basically revolt if they weren't being pointed at non-Sheeda to go fuck up.

Granted, even if they did go to another world they could all still be malicious assholes.
 
ForeverShogo said:
I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that the Harrowings are just as much a distraction from how shitty the Sheeda leadership is as they are a means for acquiring resources.

That "normal" Sheeda would basically revolt if they weren't being pointed at non-Sheeda to go fuck up.

Granted, even if they did go to another world they could all still be malicious assholes.
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*Sheeda Harrowing the latest civilizations.*
Melmoth: "Are you not entertained?!"
 
Eponymic said:
Is that a James Bond reference?
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No, it's a British history reference, and James Bond is (nominally) British. Britain overhauled its currency in... I think 1971? And it became something of a meme to have to convert back and forth between "old money" and "new money" to get an intuitive feel for how much something was actually worth. People don't have to do that anymore because it's been like 50 years since then, but the slang has stuck around as a snarky reference to other similar conversions between old-fashioned and current measurements -- in this case between Fahrenheit and Celsius.
 
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I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that the Harrowings are just as much a distraction from how shitty the Sheeda leadership is as they are a means for acquiring resources.

That "normal" Sheeda would basically revolt if they weren't being pointed at non-Sheeda to go fuck up.

Granted, even if they did go to another world they could all still be malicious assholes.
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Well the Roman leaders used bread and circuses, which involved gladiatorial fights to the death between slaves, to entertain their subjects and make the empire seem powerful even when it was struggling, so you may have a point that the Sheeda leadership are also using such monstrous methods to stay in power.
 
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Well the Roman leaders used bread and circuses, which involved gladiatorial fights to the death between slaves, to entertain their subjects and make the empire seem powerful even when it was struggling, so you may have a point that the Sheeda leadership are also using such monstrous methods to stay in power.
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The poor also got to eat the meat from the Animals that were killed in the arenas from what I understand.
 
Mr Zoat said:
Thank you, corrected.

In canon, they demonstrably didn't. Even in reality, if Japan chose not to allow foreign companies to do business on the far side... What happens? Reciprocal tariffs? Embargoes on Japanese goods? That hurts, but the impression I got is that the Japanese could put up with that until they get large enough markets on the far side of the gate to replace them. In canon they refused to accede to the US's demands until they used blackmail, so that's not going to work. Using agents embedded in Japanese companies might work, but other than accurate intelligence reports they're still not going to get a fat lot out of it.
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Leaving canon idiocy aside, the following instruments are available:
1) Foreign debt of Japan. Bug it out, call it in, crash the economy
2) Import sanctions. Japan is not self sufficient in terms of vital resources, such as oil. Or food. Or materials needed for its industries.
3) Personal sanctions against the government members.

It also wouldn't be about foreign companies doing business on the other side. It would, from the start and till near the end, be about national and global security. Markets won't factor into the situation for a long time. Because this is a new phenomenon. One that makes MAD obsolete and also introduces a sh*tton of new security issues.

The moment gate appears, the whole area will be taken over by the joint forces of the U.N. Security Council and friends (basically everyone important).
 
Yog said:
Leaving canon idiocy aside, the following instruments are available:
1) Foreign debt of Japan. Bug it out, call it in, crash the economy
2) Import sanctions. Japan is not self sufficient in terms of vital resources, such as oil. Or food. Or materials needed for its industries.
3) Personal sanctions against the government members.
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Those options are available, but how quickly would they realistically happen?

And food wouldn't be a problem. That's one thing they can import through the gate relatively quickly and cheaply.
It also wouldn't be about foreign companies doing business on the other side. It would, from the start and till near the end, be about national and global security. Markets won't factor into the situation for a long time. Because this is a new phenomenon. One that makes MAD obsolete and also introduces a sh*tton of new security issues.

The moment gate appears, the whole area will be taken over by the joint forces of the U.N. Security Council and friends (basically everyone important).
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I doubt that very much. Not with China and the US both having vetoes.
 
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