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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

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TheMidnightRook said:
Okay, fair enough. However, those numbers are derived from an analysis done on Earth Bet as it is in canon. If LP actually sticks around, his presence would likely mitigate the damage done by the threats Number Man listed.

His brutality here can still fit into that mindset. The strength of a yellow lantern's constructs is influenced by fear, by casually massacring some of the more powerful capes in the city with a lot of flash and spectacle, he ensures that others in the future will be more afraid of him than they otherwise would be.


Fixing those sorts of things would be more of a long-term project. Dealing with the crime problem is a fairly long-term project too, but he only really needs to deal with some of the bigger players, the ones like Lung who local law enforcement struggles to deal with. Take care of enough of them, and the police and PRT can get a grip on the rest. He could then use the publicity from this to increase his profile and leverage that to help him in endeavours like providing drinking water and revitalizing the economy.
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The stuff number man listed wasn't a single threat you could deal with, it was an assessment that the parahuman community was a powderkeg waiting to explode. To reasonably mitigate them, he would have to be night omnipresent.

Casual murder doesn't inspire much fear. Doing it slower and more deliberate, showing off that the capes had no way to fight back, that would actually inspire fear on a level that he could use. He is just killing people without even making sure he has an audience. That doesn't led itself well to generating widespread fear except in possibly the undersiders and skitter.

Dealing with the endbringers, if he could, is a relatively simple thing. Ziz is just hanging out in orbit. If he actually cared about them and was capable of dealing with them, he could just pot shot her as he entered and be done with the most serious threat that earth bet knows about. As it stands, he appears to not know about the endbringers and it is questionable if he could kill any of the endbringers, even just the three that currently exist.

Or if he cared about dealing with the things he could just check off, he could go after the slaughterhouse nine, sleeper, the blasphemies, or any actual widespread threat. As is, he just killed some random parahumans, one of which wasn't even functioning as a supervillain. He isn't checking seems to think he can just make some rounds and fix the problem.


Generating fear? no
Dealing with serious threats? no
Dealing with long term threats? no
Dealing with what is in his immediate vicinity, without giving more than two seconds of thought as to any of it? yes.

So yeah, he is either being evil or incompetent.

He isn't operating with metaknowledge or seemingly any knowledge beyond asking the ring about his immediate environment. If he is supposed to be the vetinari of the pauls, why hasn't he started out by at least taking an hour or two to research the world? He appears to have just popped in and decided to start murdering criminals. Though at the end of the day, this is all because zoat hasn't taken even an hour to read up on worm or asked anyone questions about the setting before writing about it.
 
Darko said:
His battle record and skill in wielding his ring, plus his wins against powerful opponents proves that he is highly competent.
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Again, that's skill, not competence.

The closest we have to a Paul with actual competence is Peter Wynn, and well, even he's a bit questionable at times.
 
Mr Zoat said:
"In the short term it wanted dreams to feed on. Or.. possibly watch or experience.
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Given this, is there any particular reason Paul hasn't/won't request further information on the Starros from Dream? Or his archive, as the case may be. Sure, he probably won't get a response, but it might give further information on them, and I'm having difficulty seeing how the attempt would hurt.
 
Information era said:
Casual murder doesn't inspire much fear. Doing it slower and more deliberate, showing off that the capes had no way to fight back,that would actually inspire fear on a level that he could use. He is just killing people without even making sure he has an audience.
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Doint it quickly does show that they had no way to fight back. Doing it slowly would make it look like he was torturing them for fun, making fewer people want to actually cooperate with him. And he was able to provide Armsmaster with a recording, there's no reason he couldn't distribute that recording further.


Information era said:
Dealing with the endbringers, if he could, is a relatively simple thing. Ziz is just hanging out in orbit. If he actually cared about them and was capable of dealing with them, he could just pot shot her as he entered and be done with the most serious threat that earth bet knows about.
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Unless he decided to put off engaging the Endbringers until he had more information about their capabilities. With enemies as powerful as they are, proceeding with caution is only prudent. Considering that you go on to criticise him not doing more research:
Information era said:
why hasn't he started out by at least taking an hour or two to research the world?
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Your claim that he should have immediately picked a fight with the most dangerous beings in the world seems... counterintuitive.
 
PDV said:
Many, however, have repeatedly escaped being sentenced to the Birdcage. Sometimes multiple times, like Hookwolf.
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Yeah. Hookwolf is also a particularly nasty case, as he's an unrepentant murderer who apparently joined the Nazi gang to have someone to help him break out of transports to the Birdcage, and he once wounded Vista (who was about eleven or twelve at the time) badly enough to need stitches. Unlike Canary, who had an accident with her power (on its own) attacking her stalker ex, Hookwolf deserves the Birdcage at best. Somehow, he doesn't have a kill order, despite being a multiple-murderer who keeps escaping from Birdcage transports. It's apparently really hard to get a kill order, if you're not a bio-tinker.

MadMarx420 said:
Blue Lanterns

so glad Alan's ring doesn't have the dumb willpower dependence that the corps in post-crisis and so on has.
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True. Kalmin would have considered that a silly idea, and I think Ganthet and Sayd built it in so that the other Guardians would be less offended by the existence of the Blue Lanterns.
 
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Anyone else think True Polymorph would be a apropriate punishment for species or individuals who's biology and instinctual imperatives make them too dangerous to let live?

Are you a species that needs to eat human brains(ex:Ilthid)? Get a permament transformation so you don't have to.
 
Sooo...

The Lord Protector.

At the point in time where he ended up on Earth Bet, Mumm-Ra is double-dead and Thundera is stable and reasonably prosperous. They have two big population centers and dozens of smaller ones, a food surplus and are industrialising. Their government is in theory a parliamentary republic, but the travel distances and poor infrastructure means that parliament doesn't meet all that often and Prime Minister Khoah runs things. The Lord Protector has a mostly symbolic role. Emergency law is a thing of the past, though they kept some farms for convict labour.

Shortly before those segments Mumm-Rana (who the Lord Protector likes to keep occupied because otherwise she throws dog biscuits at the locals) located a cache of non-native technology. A tracing spell led them to Earth Bet, as it looks like someone with planeshifting technology was using Thundera as a bolthole. They don't know who.

The Lord Protector's current stance on supervillains appearing at Endbringer fights is that it's like paying danegeld: probably better than not paying, but being strong enough not to need to pay is better still. Everything he knows about running a state (which at this point is quite a lot) says that a unified and stable state is better able to fight than a mess of gangs. He may well be wrong for Earth Bet, but his conclusion is not an irrational one.
 
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It's kinda sad to see Paul just shrug and say it's better not to know so that he can have a "clean ending" on something that bothers him..... is this what happened to the big heads on Oa....
 
Bolo said:
It's kinda sad to see Paul just shrug and say it's better not to know so that he can have a "clean ending" on something that bothers him..... is this what happened to the big heads on Oa....
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I'm afraid that you've got that sideways. A 'clean ending' would be him knowing exactly why the Star Hunters did what they did. In his mind getting that would require a great deal of time and effort for little practical gain.
 
It's the side effect of updating daily and writing about a story taking place in a setting you don't know much about. You're bound to make mistakes and do things that may in theory sound legit but don't make sense in setting.

Could LP Paul have done better? Sure.

Does he know about Cauldron/Scions true nature and the true nature on how parahuman powers work? No.

So LP Paul doing what he's doing now when you take all that into consideration especially with his history, him doing what he's well doing makes sense. It's still a bit too trigger happy but that's more to do with writing about a setting you know very little about then Paul himself.

Truth betold there's wanking on both sides, for worm and DC and I won't deny that I was a part of that but that's the inherent problem with dealing with out of context situations and trying to get too wildly different settings working together.

On the topic of this chapter. I'm liking it so far. Blue lantern wholesomeness is always a good thing imo.
 
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Yes! I much prefer Starfire with a Blue Lantern ring.

I really hope Kalmin or Alan can create one for her. Her personality fits it much better, and I can see her rapidly applying the skills she learned as an Orange Lantern towards the color that suits her better.

She might be an even faster flyer than Paul now :)

And I know she would love to fly around bringing hope to people, and healing those in need. It perfectly fits her to a T.
 
Mr Zoat said:
someone with planshifting technology
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While 'plan-shifting' tech would be remarkably useful, I suspect you meant 'plane'.

I do like this explanation!

A couple of provisos, though. If the one with the tech has a shard (i.e. is a cape) then they are either dead or haven't used the plane-shift themselves. Maybe they used robots (or non-cape minions) to set things up in their bolthole?

One way to read the Worm setting is that capes depend on their shard-link (some certainly do) or the shard gets nasty if the link breaks. The brain damage is generally fatal. A related issue is that powers shut-down beyond about Lunar orbit distance from Earth - can't let the experimental rats out of their cage, you know. Going to other dimensions (inside the Entity fence) is OK (Cauldron have a base on another Earth), probably still an issue if you then go beyond Lunar orbit. This power-loss isn't instant death, maybe, whereas going firmly outside shard range may well be. Worm canon is inconsistently consistent. :)

The little detail of capes not having powers which are 'portable' (allow them outside shard dimensional link range) is often overlooked by fanfic authors. Did your Taylor Hebert (aka Skitter aka Weaver aka Khepri...) who is now in the DC Universe bring the other-dimensional Earth which has her shard, Queen Administrator, resident on it (probably at least a continent-size of it) along for the ride?

Kori getting hopeful was fun!
 
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Ace Dreamer said:
While 'plan-shifting' tech would be remarkably useful, I suspect you meant 'plane'.
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Thank you, corrected.
I do like this explanation!

A couple of provisos, though. If the one with the tech has a shard (i.e. is a cape) then they are either dead or haven't used the plane-shift themselves. Maybe they used robots (or non-cape minions) to set things up in their bolthole?

One way to read the Worm setting is that capes depend on their shard-link (some certainly do) or the shard gets nasty if the link breaks. The brain damage is generally fatal. A related issue is that powers shut-down beyond about Lunar orbit distance from Earth - can't let the experimental rats out of their cage, you know. Going to other dimensions (inside the Entity fence) is OK (Cauldron have a base on another Earth), probably still an issue if you then go beyond Lunar orbit. This power-loss isn't instant death, maybe, whereas going firmly outside shard range may well be. Worm canon is inconsistently consistent. :)

The little detail of capes not having powers which are 'portable' (allow them outside shard dimensional link range) is often overlooked by fanfic authors. Did your Taylor Hebert (aka Skitter aka Weaver aka Khepri...) who is now in the DC Universe bring the other-dimensional Earth which has her shard, Queen Administrator, resident on it (probably at least a continent-size of it) along for the ride?

Kori getting hopeful was fun!
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How do you know that Thundera isn't on an alternate Earth?
 
Mr Zoat said:
Thank you, corrected.

How do you know that Thundera isn't on an alternate Earth?
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A quick look at the wiki shows that there's a "third/first earth", which probably means that Thundera isn't Earth or an alternate. Now I won't pretend that I know a lot about Thundera but if the world looks nothing like Earth, has different continents and the people are genetically different from humans, then it's less "alternate Earth" and more different planet in a different solar system.
 
MadMarx420 said:
A quick look at the wiki shows that there's a "third/first earth", which probably means that Thundera isn't Earth or an alternate. Now I won't pretend that I know a lot about Thundera but if the world looks nothing like Earth, has different continents and the people are genetically different from humans, then it's less "alternate Earth" and more different planet in a different solar system.
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It may be the same planet in the same solar system, but no humans evolved on it, the flora and fauna evolved differently, the continents shifted differently etc.
 
Darko said:
It may be the same planet in the same solar system, but no humans evolved on it, the flora and fauna evolved differently, the continents shifted differently etc.
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That's a possibility that I considered but again as someone who doesn't know anything about the setting according to the wiki theres a world called "Third Earth" which in the past was called "First Earth". So unless I'm wrong this is pretty much confirmation that "Third Earth" is Earth. If this is the case then Thundera cannot be an alternate Earth.
 
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