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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

DBZ gods aren't very godly. They're basically mid-tier fighters in their own universe.
Gods in dragonball have ranks. At the bottom are planetary guardians overseeing their respective planets, and their power strongly depends on the inhabitants of their worlds(since they replace* themselves via said inhabitants). Low ranking kais like King Kai are weaker then Nappa, with their immediate superior, Grand Kai, is far stronger, comparable to base form Cell Saga Goku. And Shin, the remaining Supreme Kai for Universe 7, is stronger still, being around a Cell Games Super Saiyan level(the one's Kid Buu killed were all stronger, especially Grand Supreme Kai and South Supreme Kai).

What's really impressive there though, is that fighting power is not a kaioshin's main role or requirement. A Kaioshin's job is creation, besides watching over their respective universe(DB has a multiverse, the DB universe is actually called Universe 7), a Kaioshin's job is to create stars and planets, and populate said planets with lifeforms(it is in fact against the rules for them to interfere with the mortal universe outside of creation).

Fighting, and from it Destruction, is the job of the Hakaishin, the God of Destruction(and they have more then enough strength to do so, enough raw power to blow up a universe in one-shot plus access to something called the Energy of Destruction which lets them basically delete anything in existence(though sufficient amounts of regular ki or God ki(the ki of gods, higher quality giving it more "bang" for it's buck then regular mortal ki and is also impossible to sense unless you are either sufficiently strong or have god ki yourself) can resist the deletion effect). It's the Hakaishin's job to be the Shiva to the Kaioshins Brahma/Vishnu. Destroying threats to the rest of the universe and underperforming planets bringing down the universe's overall ranking. While Kaioshin aren't actually supposed to interfere in the mortal realm, hakaishin have total freedom to do so. There is also a life-link between the two, if all Kaioshin were to die, their pared Hakaishin would also die and vice versa.

Now at this point you have to be wondering, if it's the Hakaishin's(in U7's case Beerus) job to be killing threats to the universe, then what's with shit like Majin Buu, Frieza and the planet trade? And then answer is that Beerus is as bad at doing his job as Shin is at being a Kaioshin, sleeping for decades at a time and destroying random shit for arbitrary reasons. There's a reason why Universe 7 is considered the second worst universe in the multiverse and that's because of how bad a job it's "management" are doing(dude slept during the mess with Majin Buu, both messes, and that's despite the fact that Buu came scary close to killing all the kaioshins and thus killing him via the life link. He's also the one that turned Old Kai into a sword just because Old Kai pissed him off during the annual Kaioshin/Hakaishin meeting).

In a properly run Universe, Hakaishin's only destroy what needs to be destroyed, often with a lot of research before hand and working closely with their partnered Kaioshin. These universes are virtual paradises compared to Universe 7, with a quality of life and "universe ranking" so high that the local Hakaishin's haven't needed to destroy anything in centuries.

Now, Hakaishin's are attended to by their own personal Angel(who are actually stronger then the Hakaishin's as keeping their Hakaishin from destroying to much is part of their job). And above the Angels and Hakaishin is the Grand Minister, one of the Top 5 strongest fighters in the multiverse and close adviser to the Omni-King(now Omni-Kings thanks to Goku and Bulma's time machine). And finally you have the Omni-King(s), Lord Zeno(s). Two beings with a child-like mentality and the absolutely terrifying ability to erase anything in an instant, even the entire DB multiverse if they wanted to.

*Funny enough, Hakaishin's are like Planetary Guardians, they used to be mortals before gaining their current position in the universal hierarchy.
 
I take five pulse carbines out of subspace and thrust them in to the dazed taus' chests.
Welp, that means every Necron this side of the local cluster knows his exact location.

Oh. So that's what daemonettes look like. I… Knew intellectually that most of their appeal was magical, but I can't help but feel... Underwhelmed. Which I suppose is my shield against their blandishments?
No... That is not what Daemonette's look like...

This is. https://www.belloflostsouls.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/daemonettes-current.jpg

Beams of orange light connect me to each daemonettes, and-. They don't slow or trip but rather sort of shudder, like a tape that skips or… A glitch in the matrix, shimmering back and forth between two points.

Identity theft in progress. No resistance detected.

The daemonettes reappear, their bodies now comprised of orange light. They're no longer charging, and… If anything, they look a little confused. I direct three back into the pit to kill any surviving cult leaders and direct the others away from the attacking humans while I drift towards them.

"We should talk."
And this is where the Chaos God's would focus their attention on him and his head would explode.

Because he just did the one thing in all of existence that has historically gotten the Chaos Gods to immediately drop their contests and work together to actively destroy a thing. He showed he can actually destroy a Daemon.

In fact, the last time something even close to that happened, the Chaos Gods together reached through time, space, and the most powerful wardings in existence to get their claws into the Primarchs and scatter them to the four winds.
 
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He showed he can actually destroy a Daemon.
Maybe they don't count as destroyed?
Or, would the SI being soulless make him a blind spot, perhaps?

I'm not up on 40k fan wank, but my understanding is that in a SpaceBattle, they're top tier, partially due to sheer numbers, partially how the warp interacts with things.
 
It's not every day you see a flying, glowing human, especially one who isn't raving about dark gods...

Well there are those Living Saints thing, and they tend to rave and rant about a glowy god.

Ha! Bet that'll put a scare into She Who Thirsts, feeling a tiny bit of himself being permanently erased. May want to avoid doing that too often, just in case of warp contamination, though...

Given how she/he/it/xie acts they may honestly enjoy it a bit.
 
They're designed to give the target a disabling but not usually fatal electric shock, sort of like how 2nd Edition power mauls were Strength 5 but were treated as not killing things. Against frenzied mutant mobs protected by daemonic aura I doubt that they'd do much.
Wait, don't the various Pauls forget prior knowledge of the settings they're in when they get there?
 
Wait, don't the various Pauls forget prior knowledge of the settings they're in when they get there?

I don't remember if this Paul ended up in the 2nd edition, but if he didn't then he should remember it.

The various Paul's forget only the specific setting they are in, but not the franchise.

Lord Protector remembered the original Thundercats show, but didn't know about the version of Thundercats he ended up in.

Paragon and renegade still remember about the DC universe, but don't remember about Young Justice.
 
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I dont know if it has been mentioned before, but if WHPaul is like OGPaul,and doesnt have a soul, does it make him a Pariah and so inmune to Chaos?
Sadly, no. Pariah's have necrontyr genetic engineering which causes them to disrupt the bond between the material universe and the warp. The SI just happens to not have a soul. On the other hand, he lacks the aura of revulsion that Pariah have.
Zoat, has he considered visiting Ultramar to see if his Ring can fix Guilliman? Rowbot seems rather reasonable and might be open to an Imperial/Tau alliance.
Briefly. He decided that there was next to no chance of the Ultramarines letting some random lunatic fiddle around with the systems keeping their primarch alive, that he didn't honestly know if he'd be able to manage it, and that he wasn't sure that he'd like the results if he did.
And I'm picturing the larger Hammerhead Railguns, not the smaller Broadside Rail Rifles. Comparable effect in-game, but the latter can fire explosive rounds too.
Originally, they were. But then GW realised that no one used Hammerheads, so they downgraded the Battlesuit version.
Multilasers, eh? That's about what they are, too - multiple high-powered laser rifles operating as a rotary cannon. Ever seen Astartes? That's the heavy weapon in Part Three that shreds several squads of their fellow rebels, and minimal cosmetic damage to the Astartes Sergeant.
No, this was a cobbled together thing.
Ha! Bet that'll put a scare into She Who Thirsts, feeling a tiny bit of himself being permanently erased. May want to avoid doing that too often, just in case of warp contamination, though...
Wouldn't be the first time someone ate Slaanesh's daemons.
 
So, If that is Jurgen, and the Immaterium is connected to/substituting for the Emotional spectrum, does that mean that he'd be connected to the Black Light (being a Blank and all)?

Just a thought.
 
I tend to forget just how ugly most daemonettes actually are. Sometimes you might find official art that makes them almost okay to look at, if you squint hard enough, but most of the time the sexy time demons look like they fell out of the ugly tree and hit every branch on the way down.

Also, has 40K Paul been relying on his ring to tell him if he's looking at male or female Tau? Or is there some sexual dimorphism among the Tau I don't know about?

I think official art has them basically looking identical, but it'd be kind of funny if he was dealing with the degeneracy of big tiddy Tau waifus.
 
I'm already drawing fire, but lasguns are essentially a non-issue for me and they'd have a devil of a time getting hold of anything heavier.
Fairly impressive shield for such an inexperienced Paul. They might get called 'flashlights' but that is a matter of comparative effectiveness, with the benchmark being rapid-fire armour-piercing rocket-propelled grenades.

Orange energy pulses
Guess in 40K there are plenty of things he would hate enough to Want destroyed.
 
Fairly impressive shield for such an inexperienced Paul. They might get called 'flashlights' but that is a matter of comparative effectiveness, with the benchmark being rapid-fire armour-piercing rocket-propelled grenades.

This Paul may have been in the 40k universe for several months, or even a few years now, so I wouldn't call him inexperienced.
 
This Paul may have been in the 40k universe for several months, or even a few years now, so I wouldn't call him inexperienced.
The dates we have are:
0 086 936.M41
6 013 937.M41
6 232 937.M41
6 233 937.M41

What that actually equates to is… debatable but I guess around 15 months.
However the phrase "it isn't the age, it's the mileage" applies. This Paul has mostly been doing paperwork and such as the Tau bureaucracy try to decide what to do with him. As opposed to the near daily combat and specialised training that SI and Renegade got.
 
The dates we have are:
0 086 936.M41
6 013 937.M41
6 232 937.M41
6 233 937.M41

What that actually equates to is… debatable but I guess around 15 months.
However the phrase "it isn't the age, it's the mileage" applies. This Paul has mostly been doing paperwork and such as the Tau bureaucracy try to decide what to do with him. As opposed to the near daily combat and specialised training that SI and Renegade got.

He has also most likely been practicing with his ring and he spent several days fighting with his rings before he met the Tau, so he's far from inexperienced.

Also he probably went on several missions with the Tau and fought some of the threats in the galaxy, but they still don't exactly know what to classify him as.

His actions so far show that he is competent and skilled in what he does, so chances are high he's had combat experience.
 
*Reads about the character*
Err, aren't Keepers of Secrets daemons of Tzeench?
Or have I gotten them mixed up?
Greater Daemons of Tzeentch are lords of Change.
Also, has 40K Paul been relying on his ring to tell him if he's looking at male or female Tau? Or is there some sexual dimorphism among the Tau I don't know about?

I think official art has them basically looking identical, but it'd be kind of funny if he was dealing with the degeneracy of big tiddy Tau waifus.
I'm not going quite that far, but there are physical differences and the SI has learned to recognise them. Sex differences are smaller than caste differences, of course.
Fairly impressive shield for such an inexperienced Paul. They might get called 'flashlights' but that is a matter of comparative effectiveness, with the benchmark being rapid-fire armour-piercing rocket-propelled grenades.
S3 is modern automatic rifle. A lasgun can manage more shots before reloading and is less difficult to maintain, but getting shot is roughly as dangerous.
 
S3 is modern automatic rifle.
S3 is also a baseline human with a sword. And a borderline human deathworlder with a sword. And a human with a power sword that will cut through any mundane material like butter.
S4 is things like the aforementioned armour-piercing rocket-propelled grenades, monomolecular-edge cutting discs and exotic disintegration. Or… a modern machine-gun.

With how insufficiently granular 40K mechanics are S3 is a broad range with very fuzzy edges rather than a definitive standard.
 
S3 is also a baseline human with a sword. And a borderline human deathworlder with a sword.
A baseline human could be S2.
And a human with a power sword that will cut through any mundane material like butter.
As I said, I'm a 2nd Edition man. A power sword user could strike at their own base strength if they wanted to, but they'd probably use the sword's S5.
S4 is things like the aforementioned armour-piercing rocket-propelled grenades, monomolecular-edge cutting discs and exotic disintegration. Or… a modern machine-gun.

With how insufficiently granular 40K mechanics are S3 is a broad range with very fuzzy edges rather than a definitive standard.
Their precise performance profile varies, but they all do roughly the same damage.
 
Maybe they don't count as destroyed?
Or, would the SI being soulless make him a blind spot, perhaps?

I'm not up on 40k fan wank, but my understanding is that in a SpaceBattle, they're top tier, partially due to sheer numbers, partially how the warp interacts with things.
Orange Rings very specifically kill a being and make an orange light copy of them when a user assimilates a creature.

Hence why Larfleeze got so hosed come blackest night when the black rings brought back the souls of those he assimilated.



Which is an exerpt from someone's personal TTRPG game...

IE Fanfiction...
 
You forget something. I started in 2nd Ed, when the Imperium used the completely safe but slow charging Mark 2 plasma guns. The only ones who used the leaky Mark 1 plasma guns were the Traitor DIFFERENTLY LOYAL Legions .

Sadly by the time of 3rd the toaster lovers broke your beloved Mk 2, and everyone joined Chaos on the pain train. Hydra Dominatus

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Kaising the Joint (part 4)
6 234 937.M41

The tall man straightens slightly-. He's at least a head taller than me. Engineered or a minor mutation, I wonder? Unless he's confirmed as 'hostile' it would be a bit off to scan him.

"I'm afraid that my soul is spoken for."

Of course, if he is a cultist, I can have a go at trying to convert him. The tau… I don't think they understand human psychology well enough to do that.

"Oh? Who's the lucky deity?"

There's a flicker of something on his face. Obviously, if he thinks that I'm a daemon then that wouldn't be the expected response. Do I look that much like a daemon? I'd have thought that the inorganic nature of my constructs combined with the obvious symmetry would clue him in, but I suppose there isn't much else he could compare me to.

"The God-Emperor of Mankind, in whose righteous-" The fellow with the meltagun is trying to creep closer. "-name we will smite you back to the nether hell from which you crawled!"

An imperial loyalist. Wonderful. Nice that he was prepared to stop his work as an agent provocateur for long enough to focus on the daemon cult, but still not someone I want on-planet. Not sure what to do next, but I should probably clear up the demon thing.

"To be clear? I'm not a daemon. This-" I extend my right hand and wave at myself. "-is an archeotech force field generator. It's not even warp-based, as far as I can tell."

His eyes dart to meltagun man, who stops behind a blast shield out of my line of sight. A meltagun isn't a completely reliable anti-daemon weapon. Most daemons have roughly a 1 in 3 chance of completely disregarding a hit from a mundane weapon, but that still leaves a 2 in 3 chance of the anti-tank gun hitting me. That would kill most daemons.

"So you've betrayed mankind to the tau rather than the dark gods?"

"I'm happy to talk about my philosophical convictions at length if you like, but I imagine that you'd rather I didn't. One moment, if you please?"

Internal only.

"Orange Lantern to Kais. Tactical overview?"

"Reinforcements in theatre. Remaining mutants are being destroyed."

"Good show. Whereabouts are you?"

"Working through the tunnels. We can take them from behind shortly."

"Hold position. They're imperialists, so I'm going to offer them terms."

"This world is part of the Tau Empire. They're not here as part of an official embassy."

"No, but they were fighting daemon cultists. We both know that the Tau Empire isn't as effective at fighting those as it needs to be."

"That decision should be referred to Aun'la Bo'ohk."

"And I will refer it to him. But in the absence of a direct order, we should not escalate against people not demonstrated to be hostile."



"We're holding position."

"Thank you."

External.

"So here's what I'm going to suggest. While I'm probably supposed to apprehend you, I'm jolly glad that you fought these daemon-worshippers and as such I'm prepared to offer you parole."

"Just as long as we bow down to your alien overlords first."

"Your choice. I can either take you to a human-controlled world in Tau Empire territory-" One of the 'in compliance' ones, obviously. "-or to the closest Imperial world or naval patrol."

"And what do you want in return?"

"No, nothing. It's a 'thank you' for fighting these cultists. It's nice to meet someone with his priorities in order. Though I really do suggest that you consider the Empire. The Imperium can get a bit 'summary executiony' with people who've been this close to a daemonic incursion, and I'd feel that I'd wasted my time here if that happened to you and yours."

"Fighting against the cultists of the dark gods is not grounds for summary execution. I truly pity humans like you who are raised by the tau to believe such lies." But he lowers his laspistol, and the others appear to take it as a general sign that they're standing down. "Still, I was here for the cult, and the cult is dead. My men and I will accept passage to an Imperial world."

"Good show." I don't dismiss my armour, but I do shrink it a little. "I'm afraid that the last rogue trader vessel left several weeks ago-"

Which clearly explains how they got here. Someone is going to find that their Warrant of Trade suddenly has a more limited remit.

"-but you can travel with the next Water Caste convoy, or I can…"

Three fingers on his right hand are cybernetic. He's about two metres tall. And the chap with the meltagun looks… Pretty normal, actually? But it might just be his pariah abilities that make people think he's messy in the novels.

Ring, access files on Gravalax. Confirm his appearance.

Confirmed.

"Do I have the pleasure of addressing Commissar Ciaphas Cain?"

He doesn't raise his pistol, but his hand definitely twitches.

"You do indeed."

I float towards him, my armour strengthening.

"You're the reason why I had to spend eight months chasing down genestealer cultists." People around us… I don't know whether they're Valhallans in disguise or local imperialists. They fan out, guns at the ready. "So now you get a lecture on why what you did was really stupid. And then you can go home and repeat it to Ms Vail."

"Tyranid fleets-" He said it as 'Tie-ran-id'! Victory! "-are drawn towards the cults. I'm sure that you'd rather they preyed upon Imperial worlds than tau worlds. Why would you expect me to care about the reverse?"

"Because you clearly don't understand how far that beacon extends."

I hold up my right hand and generate a map of the region, with the locations of local hive fleets highlighted.

"These fleets have turned slightly towards the areas where the cults were operating. Mission achieved? No." I pull out a considerable distance, still marking the region's hive fleets. "Because these tyranids are now altering course just a little to fly a little more this way than they were before. And quite a few of those are going to hit Imperial worlds." I pull out again. "And so are these-" And out further, showing the tyranid fleets still approaching the galaxy. "-and so are these, and they're coming just a little bit faster, because they got a slightly stronger broadcast. Extra-galactic hive fleets are coming to this galaxy just a little bit faster… Because of what you did. And while that's bad for the Tau Empire… The Tau Empire only covers a little bit of the galaxy. Humans are everywhere. So the fleets over here-" I point. "-and over here and over here and over here, are flying into Imperium space, they're going to attack Imperial worlds, and they're not going to come anywhere near the tau because there aren't any tau over there, and because of what you did they're going to come just a little bit quicker. Do you understand… Why that's a bad thing?"

He regards my image with disquiet. "I'll… Take it under advisement."

"Then take this under advisement too. Tyranids are drawn to psychic beacons. Like living worlds. Tau have minimal warp presence so tend not to draw them as much as humans, and far less than eldar. But do you know what the biggest psychic beacon in this galaxy is? I'll give you a clue: it's the one your ship's navigator used to guide the ship which brought you here."

His face whitens.

"So I'll give you that lift home now, and you can pass this on to Ms Vail, and I don't want anything like that to ever happen again. Do you understand?"

He nods.

"Good show. Now let's be off."
 
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