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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)
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Vaermina
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What makes more sense?
That everyone's an idiot?
Or that they knew something in universe that makes their actions make sense?
Hint... It's the second...
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Everyone is an idiot because they are characters in a children show being written that way by idiots for children. The writers never considered that, so their characters didnt either.
It is a bit odd for this argument to be happening now, since it has been a core theme of the story since damn near chapter 1.
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Nah when you watch MLP you can clearly see that the first option make wayyyyy more sense even Twilight screw up half the time and she is supposed to be a prodigy in magic, also nothing changed with the fact that the only magic Dash know is weather manipulation and she is far from being a genius in it : t's like saying that because you know some notion in electrical work you can see a motherboard and understand everything on what it do and why with only a glance, both are related yet vastly different even if the base logic behind it is the same.
I won't bother answering more then that, it's not the first time you throw one of your hissy fit in this thread since it seem you are only here to complain and ignore everyone counter argument, if you want to keep making a show of yourself please do keep going, i believe that at this point you are one of the main attractions here.
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Yeah, that reminds me of an MLP/Dresden Files x-over where Twilight's brain breaks over the idea that a Pegasus can be a Wizard because Pegasi have Pegasus and as the Alicorn of magic she is THE authority on magic, never mind that FLUTTERSHY (who all but flunked being a Pegasus) knows more about Pegasus magic than Twilight. Also, Twilight's idea of "peer review" is sending a letter to Celestia.
Then there was her attempt to understand the how of Pinkie Pie.
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"Hey, guys. What do you use this for?"
"We use it to control the sun."
"And by what right do you control the sun?"
"It's ours. The sun is our property."
"And how can you claim to own the sun?"
"We made it."
"You made it?"
"Yes. When we first got here, there was no sun. Wilson is a rogue planet hurtling endlessly through the infinite nothing. We're so far away from any galaxy that we can't detect anything. Just black in every direction forever. We built this machine and used it to make the sun. It's ours. There's some other ones around here for the moon and stars."
"And what happens if the machine is destroyed?"
"The sun can't be sent any new orders regarding movement, luminance, reflectivity, apparent mass, or other properties, and tries to return to its last programmed position relative to Wilson in a way that pathfinds safely around the planet, which is why Celestia now has to raise it every day."
"Well. That... seems fairly conclusive. I'll... have to talk to Celestia."
"We use it to control the sun."
"And by what right do you control the sun?"
"It's ours. The sun is our property."
"And how can you claim to own the sun?"
"We made it."
"You made it?"
"Yes. When we first got here, there was no sun. Wilson is a rogue planet hurtling endlessly through the infinite nothing. We're so far away from any galaxy that we can't detect anything. Just black in every direction forever. We built this machine and used it to make the sun. It's ours. There's some other ones around here for the moon and stars."
"And what happens if the machine is destroyed?"
"The sun can't be sent any new orders regarding movement, luminance, reflectivity, apparent mass, or other properties, and tries to return to its last programmed position relative to Wilson in a way that pathfinds safely around the planet, which is why Celestia now has to raise it every day."
"Well. That... seems fairly conclusive. I'll... have to talk to Celestia."
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27th September 2012
05:59 GMT -7
"Good morning, fellow equines!"
The closest villagers freeze up for a moment, then relax into guarded caution as I smile warmly. Some further away don't even bother looking around at all, perhaps due to the lack of alarm calls. Flapping along beside me, the uncharacteristically sombre Rainbow Dash is drawing almost as much attention as I am, which is… Surprising.
Unless…
The first alicorns came into being post-migration. Given our location… Do they think I'm just a big mutant pony? Certainly aren't any unicorn ponies or other pegasus ponies around.
Miss Dash lands and trots over to the least afraid looking local.
"Ah, hi. I'm Rainbow Dash."
The young stallion who appears to be fletching darts blinks at her. "Pialli?"
"Hey, Pialli. Look, we need to talk to your chief or whatever. I'm… I kinda…"
"Miss Dash, they don't speak Modern Equestrian. Here."
A thick orange rope attaches me to Miss Dash, and an orange environmental shield envelops her.
But they also don't speak Ancient Equish. And I'm hoping that we're not about to hear everything in a ridiculous Scottish accent again, because that sort of lack of linguistic drift would make no sense at all.
Miss Dash holds up her right forehoof and pokes her glowing aura. "Is this on?"
The fletcher opposite her looks at her curiously. "Is what on?"
"Great! I can understand you! Okay, look, you know that fort thing that got destroyed a little while ago?"
"The Fortress of Talacon, the greatest of the monuments left by our forebears and the old seat of our king?"
"Ah. Yesssss. That one."
"My elder brother nearly died there. He was trapped under the rubble for four days."
Rainbow Dash winces, because of course they just galloped off without checking on the ponies they just entombed.
"I'm… Sorry about that. See… I'm… Kinda the one who brought it down."
The fletcher blinks.
"You did?"
"Yeah. See, Ahuizotl was going on about how it was going to usher in 'eight hundred years of unrelenting heat', and that sounded like something we needed to stop."
"How?"
"The… 'Rings of Scorchero'?"
The fletcher looks surprised. "They actually worked? I thought that was just a story."
"Well, we sort of… Don't know if they work, 'cause we destroyed them before Ahuizotl could use them."
"Okay, but why did you destroy the Fortress?"
"It just fell down once the rings got removed! I didn't know that was gunna happen!"
The fletcher nods. "That was probably the seepage."
"What seepage?"
"Didn't you see the water in the lower levels?"
"I… Saw the piranha pool?"
"The bottom of the Tenochtitlan Basin is below sea level. The water's been collecting inside the Fortress of Talacon every since it was built, and it's been eroding the stones and the mortar between the stones. And probably the ground underneath as well."
Miss Dash turns to me.
"Ah, Grayven?"
"We haven't dug far enough down, yet. The g-trolls are trying to preserve the quality of the original stone as much as possible."
"So you don't know if it was destroying the rings that made it collapse?"
I shrug. "I'm not the Alicorn of Structural Engineering, Miss Dash. The genomorphs will work out what the problem was eventually." I take a step towards the fletcher. "Hello there. My name's Grayven, this is Rainbow Dash."
"Blow Pipe."
And I'm sure that he wasn't bullied at school at all.
"Right. So…" Rainbow Dash hesitates, then realises that it isn't helping. "We need to talk to whoever's in charge here. We wanna find out what was supposed to be happening in the Fortress of Talacone, and you seem like the guys to ask about that. So… Yeah. Can we do that?"
"Ah…" Blow Pipe looks around, finally noticing that most of the other villagers have backed off. "I don't know."
"They can talk to me, Blow Pipe."
A muscular stallion with a sizeable headdress marches towards us, two similarly buff stallions following just behind him. None look happy. And looking a little closer, I can see where their pelt nearly conceals the discoloured skin patches where they've been rather badly bruised recently.
"Chief Grain Store, this is Rainbow Dash and Grayven."
"Heeeey." Miss Dash's eyes narrow. "I remember you."
"And we remember you. Why are you here? Do you wish to destroy our homes as well as the homes of our ancestors?"
My right forehoof is already in motion as Miss Dash takes an angry step towards him.
"If you-!"
She walks into my outstretched hoof. She stops and looks down to identify the impediment. Then she closes her eyes and takes a deep breath.
I like this pony. She understands.
"Ahuizotl tried to feed Daring Do to the piranha and told us that the Rings of Scorchero would make eight hundred years of unrelenting heat. I don't let anything turn my friends into fish food, and I don't let anything set the county on fire with the sun."
"Daring Do is a bandit, who has spent years stealing our history from our holy places. Being fed to piranha is the least of what she deserves."
"Stealing your-? You mean like the relics she takes out of tombs and stuff?"
"Our tombs. Our relics. Our history. How would you feel if I broke into your home and stole your property?"
"Oh."
"Well? How would you feel?"
"Ba-ad?"
I nod. "I'll notify Luna. We can have the Guard start tracking down all the things she stole, and put a warrant out for her arrest."
Miss Dash makes a sort of moaning noise for a moment, then reluctantly nods.
"And you might want to retain the services of a lawyer yourself."
"Huh? Why would-?" She spots the three beefy stallions glaring at her. "Oh. Right."
"I think you'd be acquitted, due to the limited information available to you and Ahuizotl's statements, but it would be best to make certain. Gentlemen, might it be possible to speak with Ahuizotl?"
05:59 GMT -7
"Good morning, fellow equines!"
The closest villagers freeze up for a moment, then relax into guarded caution as I smile warmly. Some further away don't even bother looking around at all, perhaps due to the lack of alarm calls. Flapping along beside me, the uncharacteristically sombre Rainbow Dash is drawing almost as much attention as I am, which is… Surprising.
Unless…
The first alicorns came into being post-migration. Given our location… Do they think I'm just a big mutant pony? Certainly aren't any unicorn ponies or other pegasus ponies around.
Miss Dash lands and trots over to the least afraid looking local.
"Ah, hi. I'm Rainbow Dash."
The young stallion who appears to be fletching darts blinks at her. "Pialli?"
"Hey, Pialli. Look, we need to talk to your chief or whatever. I'm… I kinda…"
"Miss Dash, they don't speak Modern Equestrian. Here."
A thick orange rope attaches me to Miss Dash, and an orange environmental shield envelops her.
But they also don't speak Ancient Equish. And I'm hoping that we're not about to hear everything in a ridiculous Scottish accent again, because that sort of lack of linguistic drift would make no sense at all.
Miss Dash holds up her right forehoof and pokes her glowing aura. "Is this on?"
The fletcher opposite her looks at her curiously. "Is what on?"
"Great! I can understand you! Okay, look, you know that fort thing that got destroyed a little while ago?"
"The Fortress of Talacon, the greatest of the monuments left by our forebears and the old seat of our king?"
"Ah. Yesssss. That one."
"My elder brother nearly died there. He was trapped under the rubble for four days."
Rainbow Dash winces, because of course they just galloped off without checking on the ponies they just entombed.
"I'm… Sorry about that. See… I'm… Kinda the one who brought it down."
The fletcher blinks.
"You did?"
"Yeah. See, Ahuizotl was going on about how it was going to usher in 'eight hundred years of unrelenting heat', and that sounded like something we needed to stop."
"How?"
"The… 'Rings of Scorchero'?"
The fletcher looks surprised. "They actually worked? I thought that was just a story."
"Well, we sort of… Don't know if they work, 'cause we destroyed them before Ahuizotl could use them."
"Okay, but why did you destroy the Fortress?"
"It just fell down once the rings got removed! I didn't know that was gunna happen!"
The fletcher nods. "That was probably the seepage."
"What seepage?"
"Didn't you see the water in the lower levels?"
"I… Saw the piranha pool?"
"The bottom of the Tenochtitlan Basin is below sea level. The water's been collecting inside the Fortress of Talacon every since it was built, and it's been eroding the stones and the mortar between the stones. And probably the ground underneath as well."
Miss Dash turns to me.
"Ah, Grayven?"
"We haven't dug far enough down, yet. The g-trolls are trying to preserve the quality of the original stone as much as possible."
"So you don't know if it was destroying the rings that made it collapse?"
I shrug. "I'm not the Alicorn of Structural Engineering, Miss Dash. The genomorphs will work out what the problem was eventually." I take a step towards the fletcher. "Hello there. My name's Grayven, this is Rainbow Dash."
"Blow Pipe."
And I'm sure that he wasn't bullied at school at all.
"Right. So…" Rainbow Dash hesitates, then realises that it isn't helping. "We need to talk to whoever's in charge here. We wanna find out what was supposed to be happening in the Fortress of Talacone, and you seem like the guys to ask about that. So… Yeah. Can we do that?"
"Ah…" Blow Pipe looks around, finally noticing that most of the other villagers have backed off. "I don't know."
"They can talk to me, Blow Pipe."
A muscular stallion with a sizeable headdress marches towards us, two similarly buff stallions following just behind him. None look happy. And looking a little closer, I can see where their pelt nearly conceals the discoloured skin patches where they've been rather badly bruised recently.
"Chief Grain Store, this is Rainbow Dash and Grayven."
"Heeeey." Miss Dash's eyes narrow. "I remember you."
"And we remember you. Why are you here? Do you wish to destroy our homes as well as the homes of our ancestors?"
My right forehoof is already in motion as Miss Dash takes an angry step towards him.
"If you-!"
She walks into my outstretched hoof. She stops and looks down to identify the impediment. Then she closes her eyes and takes a deep breath.
I like this pony. She understands.
"Ahuizotl tried to feed Daring Do to the piranha and told us that the Rings of Scorchero would make eight hundred years of unrelenting heat. I don't let anything turn my friends into fish food, and I don't let anything set the county on fire with the sun."
"Daring Do is a bandit, who has spent years stealing our history from our holy places. Being fed to piranha is the least of what she deserves."
"Stealing your-? You mean like the relics she takes out of tombs and stuff?"
"Our tombs. Our relics. Our history. How would you feel if I broke into your home and stole your property?"
"Oh."
"Well? How would you feel?"
"Ba-ad?"
I nod. "I'll notify Luna. We can have the Guard start tracking down all the things she stole, and put a warrant out for her arrest."
Miss Dash makes a sort of moaning noise for a moment, then reluctantly nods.
"And you might want to retain the services of a lawyer yourself."
"Huh? Why would-?" She spots the three beefy stallions glaring at her. "Oh. Right."
"I think you'd be acquitted, due to the limited information available to you and Ahuizotl's statements, but it would be best to make certain. Gentlemen, might it be possible to speak with Ahuizotl?"
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Zoat, on a Paragon sidenote, how did things end with the Nazis and Overman and the slow recovery of the former Demon Earth and the minorities on the Nazi Earth trapped with no way out like the Earth 10 version of Doctor Mist? And Overman's silent disillusionment with the National Socialist system and the fact the Nazis have paralell world tunneling technology. You seemed to have ended that episode with Michael Holt getting a Green power ring and then Paul is back on Sixteen getting ready for a break from work with Jade.
A lot of dangling end points. This regular MLP Grayven stuff...eh.
A lot of dangling end points. This regular MLP Grayven stuff...eh.
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I can only imagine the diplomatic problems based on trying to get the Elk-in Marbles returned from the Canterlot Museum
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Paul handed it off to the only local even remotely fit to handle the problem and went back to what he was doing before demon/Nazi earths started fighting over who's worse. I imagine we'll eventually get in interlude from the SI in Nazi world and it's possible the demon world has an SI that noped out quick enough we might hear from.
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'Certainly there aren't'
'attaches'
Hey, as far as you know, Blow Pipe could be the coolest name they have.
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Honesty while is canon it felt like a betrayal that the writers did this. If they didn't want to do Daring Do anymore they could just have relegated her to the comics or something not do this. Is stuff like this why I could never finish watching the show.
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Thank you, corrected.
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Greece: Sure, you can take some stuff from the site.
Elgin: Thanks.
Greece: Not that thing!
Their situation is largely unchanged, though we will be returning to the issue.
No, that's fine.
Thank you, corrected.
Equestrian imperialism was a thing since they stole land from the buffalo.
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[Futurama]"hahahaha. Oh, wait. You're serious. Let me laugh even harder. HAHAHAHAHAHA.[/Futurama]
Reality disagrees. Your statement is like Vaermina levels of wrong.
For example, how about [redacted by rule 8]?
Also, can I state that the whole 'Celestia doesn't own the sun' part of the argument is bad writing on your part and hypocritical BS when put in Grayven's mouth?
Grayven has already established that he thinks if you can take and hold territory, it belongs to you.
If he thinks it is fine for him to have his forces go conquering and asserting authority over weaker systems in the Vega system, why is he bitching about Celestia taking control over and asserting authority over the local sun. If the other nations had successfully opposed her, then she would be a thief and deserved a thief's punishment. But they didn't, so she isn't. Just like he doesn't expect to turn himself in and hung as a common highwayman for trying to claim the lands of other nations.
That seem to be how his (and yours from other posts you have made) actual thought on imperialism seem to work.
I mean the 'don't smash stuff when you don't know what your doing and haven't put any thought into the ramifications' line of leading dialectic is sound, but there is no reason for the 'Celestia isn't the rightful owner of the sun' line to be part of that. Since he doesn't seem to actually care about rightful owners at all.
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Well, what would you do when some giant pony with wings and a horn shows up out of nowhere? Especially if you've never seen either things on a pony before? Admittedly, if they're familiar with Ahuizotl, it's probably not the strangest thing they've seen...
Yeah, looking at the gallery from that episode, there's only Earth Ponies. Heck, these guys may have been part of a previous migratory group to those who formed Equestria...
Not any less bizarre seeming to them, I suspect.
...Dash, I don't think he groks your language... About the only attention you'll get from him is probably 'Oh my gosh, the weird mare is talking to me?'
Wonder how that feels to her aerokinesthetic senses? Or whatever she uses to feel the air currents, rather.
Edit: Scratch that, since the logical counterpart accent would be Mexican. Because the Aztecs were, you know, based in what is now Mexico. And their language is still spoken today...
The things you learn, as nick012000 showed us......Can the environment field help prevent her putting a hoof in her mouth?
Because I get the feeling she may need that benefit in a moment...I suspect a few of them recognise you, so no point denying any involvement in that.
...Awkward. And yet entirely typical of the Mane Six. "Oh, there's bad guy mooks buried? Not our problem, our friends are all safe!" Hooray for kid's shows!
...And the temperature of the village just dropped a degree or two...
...Maybe the rings are simply the world's AC control? And he felt it was a little chilly?
And boy, was that a weak pun, in a show full of puns...
...Now, about that story? Care to tell us how it went?
Well, every good dungeon collapses when you beat the boss. It's adventuring tradition, don'cha know?
...Wait, the pirahna pool wasn't part of the original blueprints?
...Which was probably against code anyway. Dang after-market renovations.
A moment of 'Ha! See, it wasn't my fault!', I see.
Well, I hope they're built for underwater work.
The best superpower: delegation.
...Would that be the local equivalent of being named something like 'Glock' or 'Beretta' for us these days?
...Mispronouncing the place's name isn't going to help much, Dash. ...Assuming she is...
...Yes, I can see just why they're not happy. I bet more than a few of those bruises happen to be shaped just like Rainbow Dash's hooves.
...Suuupaaaa Awkward...
Towards your head, or towards her? Because either would be an understandable reaction...
Yeah, this is not the time for belligerence. They've had enough of that from you last time you were here...
Loyal to a fault, as you'd expect... Pity that's not a helpful thing here.
Ah... So she's a bit more Lara Croft than she is Indiana Jones... Not that he was much better sometimes.
Yeah, kind of troublesome to think your idol's been doing just that...
Hey, when'd you turn into a sheep?
...That might put a kibosh on the old writing career.
...I know it would be kind of weird timing, but it would have been comedically perfect if one of them had spat out a tooth right then...
And that should an interesting meeting. Hopefully we'll see it.
Yeah, no-one ever thinks of that bit when you see or read stories about 'heroic' archaeologists... On the other hand, most of the local tribes Indy or Lara run into are rarely in a position to press charges. On the other hand... Or hoof, in this case... Many of the artefacts they end up 'discovering' tend to be destructively powerful weapons, dangerous if removed from the local region or flat out divinely protected... In which case, getting out alive is the best outcome they can get.
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Because renegade is a hypocritical bastard that will mock and criticize people for things they do when he also does those things, just because he dislikes the person he's criticizing.
I think it's a quality a lot of the Pauls share, but we mostly see it shown with the Renegade.
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that sort of lack lingustic drift -> that sort of lack of lingustic drift
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I was thinking more Aztec, given the general look the place had.
Though I don't think there's anything like a stereotypical Aztec accent.
Can the environment field help prevent her putting a hoof in her mouth?
I doubt it.
If it was possible then renegade would have used it on himself a long time ago.
Granted it's possible that he just doesn't want to use it.
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To be fair, adventurer archaeologists like Indy or Lara tend to be fighting to stay ahead of much worse people like Nazi's or outright treasure hunters who wouldn't put the artefacts in a museum where at least they will be studied, preserved and maybe even returned eventually.
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Yup, it's honestly a minor miracle that people haven't started calling them on it yet.
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I was always kinda disappointed that Daring Do turned out to be real, and looked exactly as Dash imagined her. I always headcanoned that she looked like a color-swapped Dash because Dash was self-inserting herself into the story, it being her first real book that she was into and all.
So I actually really liked the ending of her adventures where it turned out Ahuizotl was trying to stop Daring Do and she realized her mistakes.
So I actually really liked the ending of her adventures where it turned out Ahuizotl was trying to stop Daring Do and she realized her mistakes.
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So, Lara Croft?
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I mean, if the local tribe let guys like Ahuizotl and Calabron or whatever that other stallion was called get access to artefacts like the rings I'd argue Daring Do and Dash were absolutely justified.
Imagine if someone put a nuke on a podest somewhere and then complained when Indiana Jones stopped some criminal from getting access to it because of "culture"
Imagine if someone put a nuke on a podest somewhere and then complained when Indiana Jones stopped some criminal from getting access to it because of "culture"
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Legal supremacy. States generally don't legislate for actions that take place entirely beyond their borders. This doesn't mean that they don't try to influence those things (with varying degrees of thuggishness) just that they don't do it by passing statute law.
If you must.
He doesn't think it's 'fine'. He just thinks that it's what happen.
Within a single state there is a system of government with laws. Citizens of that state acting within that state may reasonably expect those laws to be enforced upon them. Citizens of another state acting entirely outside of that state may reasonably expect for those laws not to be enforced upon them. That doesn't mean that they won't be shot if those two states go to war, or that their action won't be treated as a casus belli by the other state.
Given the state of Wilsonian technology, I consider it plausible that other nations don't know that Celestia controls the sun, or have heard it and think it's some sort of pony religious thing. Even if they do know about it, after a thousand years of reliable service there's no real reason for them to dispute her control. But if that stops being the case, they would need to work out how to control it themselves. They wouldn't be able to respect any property claims she might make.
Thank you, corrected.
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yeah, you just have to replace 'someone' by 'the historical heirs', 'somewhere' by 'in a historical site', 'Indiana Jones' by 'someone who felt entitled to it' and so on... Propaganda cuts both ways.
It could ALSO be a case where you have the magic equivalent of "little boy" safely stored under wards in a museum and a moron comes along to steal it because the local savages can obviously not own something when proper people want it. Or somewhere in the middle. Personally, I like the idea that Ahuizotl is feeling his age and just wanted to raise the temp by 2 degrees... without understanding that doing so on a planetary scale would have consequences.
Perhaps he did do that, sure. But here? He seems to feels that being both critical to the survival of others and having no apparent plan to even prepare for being unavailable is unconscionable. So he made his own preparations, even while being somewhat less fundamentally necessary.
BartlettMagic
peekaboo, you fucks you!
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well that just got a whole lot more interesting
fappingtoyourpost
Not too sore, are you?
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The Wilsonian equivalent of "greetings fellow humans" from a guy with a fake nose and a suspiciously large hat. Not sure if renegade's playing up the badly undercover alien tropes on purpose, but it's good comic relief.