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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

Plus given this universe version of Superboy is a girl who knows what other changes are possible and the sort of character interactions could happen. Like we know Diana his main squeeze in the future but maybe in the build up he winds up seducing/corrupting other heroines/villainesses as well. Depending on well Mia is getting on with being more than just a clone/weapon of Superman I can see her and TangPaul hanging out or going on dates where she figures out what she likes to do aside from being a hero. Maybe desperate characters like Holly end up being taken advantage by TangPaul, maybe robotic characters like Red Inferno or Red Torpedo depending on which is female get rebuilt as advance gynoids with secret subroutines to serve his interests, or his list of possible magical artifacts include objects with subtle mind/perception effects.

That's cute, the word you're looking for is mind rape.
 
Can we please go back to forgetting about this version, if I want to deal with psychopaths pretending to care I can read about politics. Chapters about this version are very much a chore to read.
There's an easy solution to this problem, you know - simply don't read chapters about this version. They are marked on the front and everything.
 
There's an easy solution to this problem, you know - simply don't read chapters about this version. They are marked on the front and everything.

I, at least, can find a villain well written, hateable, and deserving of death all at the same time. In fact a villain pulling off that reaction is a sign they're doing their job. None of the nonsensical sob-story leading into hackneyed instant redemption tripe. About the only two ways this guy ends would be someone finally taking him down, or the fabled reset to original personality.
 
A Small Child's Supervillainy Record (part 1)
20th October 2017
16:21 GMT


It's still a little surprising, just how normal supervillains can be. Even when they're dressed up, if you know how to approach them, you can start a conversation about American football or baseball or the weather and get a pretty normal answer back. I suspect it's something to do with how secure they feel in their position, and the position of the organisation in general. But outside of that…

Skud smiles as her son George haphazardly shares his blocks with his half-sister Atalanta, the lights from her cortical implant visibly shimmering under her skin. I'm not sure if parental responsibility is what caused their parents to cut down their intake of intoxicants or their ardent desire not to forget to use protection ever again, but it's made them all more effective operatives so I'm not going to complain.

And it's not just my former wards who've taken advantage of the relative security of the Syndicate's oligarchic rule of most of Africa to… If not settle down, to at least pair off and have children. Supervillainesses… Less so than the menfolk, as it's much easier for them to find someone they're willing to have bear their children than it is for a villainess to find someone she wants to sire her children and then take a year out to actually gestate and wean them. I've been taking notes that I'm going to use to write a sociology essay on the subject, though it will probably have to be published decades from now. The extra children added to our population, most of whom have superpowers, mean that I actually got to build the first ever supervillain nursery school, complete with robotic security staff able to intervene if their powers flare up during tantrums.

My own eldest daughter is… Trying to interest Pavor Scott in letter blocks, but it doesn't seem to be holding his attention. She actually sighs as he toddles off to grab a soft ball to throw around. She's approached just about every other child in our social circle, but… The children her age don't have the attention span, and the older children aren't interested in someone that much younger than them.

As she's aged, it's… Become increasingly obvious that she's retained at least some of her past life memories. I'm not sure if she has any specifics, but she's so much more mature than her peers that it's obviously causing difficulties in her socialisation.

"Hey." Zorina comes up behind me and leans into my left side, our son Zane sleeping against her chest. "Is she still having problems?"

"Mm." I nod. "I don't think we can put if off any more. If we don't know what she remembers, we can't help her."

She considers that for a moment, then nods in response. "You're right. Should I call Dad to take the others while we-"

"No, no."

"-talk it over with her?"

"No, I don't want to put her under even more pressure if all she's got is a few schematic patterns. I'll offer to play draughts with her, and just try bringing it up gradually. If she starts getting worried, I'll back off and let her know that she can talk to either of us whenever she wants."

"It's funny how she's so obedient. I'd have thought that the one who remembered being in command of her life would be more trouble than…"

I nod, tilting my head to the left so that my cheek presses against the top of her head. Oh, all of our children have given us sleepless nights, but Zita's younger sister Zoë has a habit of screaming at every little thing that she's showing no sign of growing out of. Zita on the other hand acts more like a miniature adult half the time and the only thing that distresses her are her own lapses into childishness.

Even a mature mind can't completely rise above the requirements of the body.

I turn my head and kiss Zorina's brow before walking-. Stopping as a small swarm of children race across the floor on painted wooden foot-driven lorries. Zita briefly watches them… It doesn't look like she want to join them exactly, and she swiftly turns away and goes back to-. She got a newspaper from somewhere, and she's reading it.

Yes, I've put this off for entirely too long. I walk across the floor, skirting the detritus that has spread out from the toy chests, and approach her. She comes to her feet when she spots me, paper poorly hidden behind her legs as she comes to parade rest.

"Father."

"Zita." I crouch down in front of her, smiling warmly. "What have I told you about calling me 'father'?"

Her eyes move away for a moment, and I see Pavor glance over with a bemused frown on his chubby face. "You told me to only use it if you had done something foolish."

I raise my eyebrows as she goes back to looking at my face.

"Dad."

"You see? That wasn't so hard." I keep smiling. "Are you busy?"

She glances down at the edge of her paper, then tries kicking it further backwards.

"No."

"How about a game of draughts with your Dad?"

For a moment she doesn't move, then she jerks her head towards the closest group of children. They pay her absolutely no attention.

"I-. Yes. Alright."

"Would you rather play something else?"

"No, ch-. Draughts is fine."

I look around-. Then I pick her up with both hands and head over to the nearest free table. I put her down feet first onto the bare metal chair on one side and sit on the opposite side myself, leaving our faces close to level with one another. Then I take a board out of subspace and lay it out before us.

"You shouldn't waste power like that. It's dangerous."

"I think it's more dangerous not to use it." I'm more than a little embarrassed about how long it took me to realise that her linguistic skills were far more advanced than anyone else her age. It wasn't until I compared her development to Zoë's that I started kicking myself. Actual five year olds don't sound like that. "Using it demonstrates that I could use it for other things. If people don't see me using it then they might do something stupid like decide that I don't have it any more."

She reaches across the table, picking up a black piece and a white piece. She tries to shuffle them behind her back, but it looks like she's having a little trouble holding them. And when she puts them out in front of her, her hands aren't quite big enough to cover them.

"You choose." She returns the black piece to its place in her front rank, and holds the white piece out to me. "Thank you."

I put my piece back in its place, and consider the best way to start.

"Zita, I've been meaning to ask for a little while. Now, this isn't anything to worry about, but-" She looks up at me with a sceptical expression on her face. "-do you ever..? Do you ever dream of places you don't remember visiting?"

"I think that most people dream of places they couldn't have visited." She slides a piece forwards. "I don't think my dreams are different to the dreams of other people."

"Alright, not a dream." I move one of my edge-most pieces towards the side. "Remembering something that you don't remember seeing."

She stops moving, hands floating above the board while her eyes are pointed at the pieces. "What do you mean, F-? Dad?"

"When you were very young, your mum took you to see some of her relatives, and they seemed to think that you might be able to… Remember certain things. Sometimes… People are born with someone else's memories already in their heads. Usually, they only have a few memories, and they don't really think much about them unless they see something in those memories in real life. But, sometimes, they remember more."

She hasn't moved.

"Now, I'm sure that you've noticed that you're a lot more mature than a lot of children your age-."

Is she..? Shaking?

I stand, reaching across the table and picking her up under her arms before holding her against my chest.

"Zita, you've done nothing wrong, you aren't in trouble."

"S-. Stupid child-body, can't control its emotions-."

Ah.

"That answers my next question. You remember a good deal, don't you?"

I feel her nod as the damp from her tears seeps through my t-shirt.

"Your mother and I are just worried that we're raising you wrong, given how developed you are. This isn't a situation that comes up in parenting classes. Are you alright to talk about it?"

"I don't like losing control, especially in front of people. Can we please go somewhere private?"

"Of course we can." I turn around, make eye contact with Zorina and nod towards the door to the meeting rooms. She nods. "Then you can tell me all about it."
 
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Ah, my favorite Alt! And we finally have development on his SI daughter! Poor girl must be freaking out being surrounded by supervillains; wonder if she remembers the setting, DC or is completely lost.

By the way, this Paul really didn't lose time. 3 kids already? Who was the instigator for that, Zorina and her family values?

Skud smiles as her son George haphazardly shares his blocks with his half-sister Atalanta

Who is Skud, again?

And Capo Al Scott named his kid Pavor? Too on the nose, no? Or is that someone else's kid?
 
By the way, this Paul really didn't lose time. 3 kids already? Who was the instigator for that, Zorina and her family values?

Considering that her family is Catholic I'm betting even money on Zorina being the instigator on that. Hell she even mentioned that she was expected to basically be a house wife to show she's a woman and it threw Paul for a loop.
 
20th October 2017
16:21 GMT


It's still a little surprising, just now normal supervillains can be. Even when they're dressed up, if you know how to approach them, you can start a conversation about American football or baseball or the weather and get a pretty normal answer back. I suspect it's something to do with how secure they feel in their position, and the position of the organisation in general. But outside of that…
Meanwhile, on Earth Minus Fourteen... I see Baul has been busy. Making the hellhole that is a Negative-Morality universe a little better place for everyone. And it's been a while since Our last glimpse, too. A good three or four years, in fact...

Skud smiles as her son George haphazardly shares his blocks with his half-sister Atalanta, the lights from her cortical implant visibly shimmering under her skin. I'm not sure if parental responsibility is what caused their parents to cut down their intake of intoxicants or their ardent desire not to forget to use protection ever again, but it's made them all more effective operatives so I'm not going to complain.
It's not like some of the criminals of the Injustice Gang might want to be better people than their parents were, surely... :p

And it's not just my former wards who've taken advantage of the relative security of the Syndicate's oligarchic rule of most of Africa to… If not settle down, to at least pair off and have children. Supervillainesses… Less so than the menfolk, as it's much easier for them to find someone they're willing to have bear their children than it is for a villainess to find someone she want to sire her children and then take a year out to actually gestate and wean them. I've been taking notes that I'm going to use to write a sociology essay on the subject, though it will probably have to be published decades from now. The total extra children added to our population, most of whom have superpowers, mean that I actually got to build the first ever supervillain nursery school, complete with robotic security staff able to intervene if their powers flare up during tantrums.
Goodness. Super-powered toddlers. There's a nightmarish image. Especially if they have some of the stronger kinds of magical abilities.

My own eldest daughter is… Trying to interest Pavor Scott in letter blocks, but it doesn't seem to be holding his attention. She actually sighs as he toddles off to grab a soft ball to throw around. She's approached just about every other child in our social circle, but… The children her age don't have the attention span, and the older children aren't interested in some that much younger than them.

As she's aged, it's… Become increasingly obvious that she's retained at least some of her past life memories. I'm not sure if she has any specifics, but she's so much more mature than her peers that it's obviously causing difficulties in her socialisation.
Ah, the joy of being smarter than your peers, but not mature enough to reach for older peer groups...

"Hey." Zorina comes up behind me and leans into my left side, our son Zane sleeping against her chest. "Is she still having problems?"

"Mm." I nod. "I don't think we can put if off any more. If we don't know what she remembers, we can't help her."
Well, I see Zorina's being quite fruitful. I suppose having lots of kids is a tradition in her family, given the sort of magical assassinations that might take place.

She considers that for a moment, then nods in response. "You're right. Should I call Dad to take the others while we-"

"No, no."
Let's not destroy what's left of the poor girl's childhood just yet.

"-talk it over with her?"

"No, I don't want to put her under even more pressure if all she's got is a few schematic patterns. I'll offer to play draughts with her, and just try bringing it up gradually. If she starts getting worried, I'll back off and let her know that she can talk to either of us whenever she wants."
...You know little kids never work like that. Especially ones with more adult outlooks...

"It's funny how she's so obedient. I'd have thought that the one who remembered being in command of her life would be more trouble than…"

I nod, tilting my head to the left so that my cheek presses against the top of her head. Oh, all of our children have given us sleepless nights, but Zita's younger sister Zoë has a habit of screaming at every little thing that she's showing no sign of growing out of. Zita on the other hand acts more like a miniature adult half the time and the only thing that distresses her are her own lapses into childishness.
As long as Zoe isn't literally screaming things into dust (Which is a possibility, given her family line...)

Even a mature mind can't completely rise above the requirements of the body.

I turn my head and kiss Zorina's brow before walking-. Stopping as a small swarm of children race across the floor on painted wooden foot-driven lorries. Zita briefly watches them… It doesn't look like she want to join them exactly, and she swiftly turns away and goes back to-. She got a newspaper from somewhere, and she's reading it.
Trying too hard to be grown-up. Girl needs to cut loose and play. As it was said: "When I am grown up, I put away childish things... Including the fear of being seen as childish.'

Yes, I've put this off for entirely too long. I walk across the floor, skirting the detritus that has spread out from the toy chests, and approach her. She comes to her feet when she spots me, paper poorly hidden behind her legs as she comes to parade rest.

"Father."
Relax, girl. It's not like this is a military camp.

"Zita." I crouch down in front of her, smiling warmly. "What have I told you about calling me 'father'?"

Her eyes move away for a moment, and I see Pavor glance over with a bemused frown on his chubby face. "You told me to only use it if you had done something foolish."
...Oh, my. Has Alan's child inherited a little of his father's talent with Yellow Light?

I raise my eyebrows as she goes back to looking at my face.

"Dad."
<internally eyerolling>, no doubt.

"You see? That wasn't so hard." I keep smiling. "Are you busy?"

She glances down at the edge of her paper, then tries kicking it further backwards.
Face it, kiddo, he knows what you were doing with it. And it wasn't origami. :D

"No."

"How about a game of draughts with your Dad?"
Simple enough that the other kids won't question it, eh?

For a moment she doesn't move, then she jerks her head towards the closest group of children. They pay her absolutely no attention.

"I-. Yes. Alright."
Not quite open ostracisation, but I can't imagine they like her.

"Would you rather play something else?"

"No, ch-. Draughts is fine."
I don't doubt that she knows how to play chess. x3 Unless she was about to say 'checkers'.

I look around-. Then I pick her up with both hands and head over to the nearest free table. I put her down feet first onto the bare metal chair on one side and sit on the opposite side myself, leaving our faces close to level with one another. Then I take a board out of subspace and lay it out before us.

"You shouldn't waste power like that. It's dangerous."
No doubt some of the kids have a measure of superstrength, if the furniture is made of metal...

"I think it's more dangerous not to use it." I'm more than a little embarrassed about how long it took me to realise that her linguistic skills were far more advanced than anyone else her age. It wasn't until I compared her development to Zoë's that I started kicking myself. Actual five year olds don't sound like that. "Using it demonstrates that I could use it for other things. If people don't see me using it then they might do something stupid like decide that I don't have it any more."
And even if he has to conserve his charge, this world not having much hope to recharge from, sometimes it's easier to subspace something than go looking for an undamaged checkers set.

She reaches across the table, picking up a black piece and a white piece. She tries to shuffle them behind her back, but it looks like she's having a little trouble holding them. And when you puts them out in front of her, her hands aren't quite big enough to cover them.

"You choose." She returns the black piece to its place in her front rank, and holds the white piece out to me. "Thank you."
x3 Adorable. Though no doubt she'd be mortified if you pointed that out.

I put my piece back in its place, and consider the best way to start.

"Zita, I've been meaning to ask for a little while. Now, this isn't anything to worry about, but-" She looks up at me with a sceptical expression on her face. "-do you ever..? Do you ever dream of places you don't remember visiting?"
I have no doubt she knows full well what Reincarnation is...

"I think that most people dream of places they couldn't have visited." She slides a piece forwards. "I don't think my dreams are different to the dreams of other people."

"Alright, not a dream." I move one of my edge-most pieces towards the side. "Remembering something that you don't remember seeing."
Deja Vu, as most people call it. Quite the disconcerting experience when it hits you...

She stops moving, hands floating above the board while her eyes are pointed at the pieces. "What do you mean, F-? Dad?"

"When you were very young, your mum took you to see some of her relatives, and they seemed to think that you might be able to… Remember certain things. Sometimes… People are born with someone else's memories already in their heads. Usually, they only have a few memories, and they don't really think much about them unless they see something in those memories in real life. But, sometimes, they remember more."
And she's immediately worried, huh? Thinking if she's something bad without realising it...

She hasn't moved.

"Now, I'm sure that you've noticed that you're a lot more mature than a lot of children your age-."
No urges to tinker yet, though, I assume, that'd be fairly noticeable.

Is she..? Shaking?

I stand, reaching across the table and picking her up under her arms before holding her against my chest.
Ah, one of the things that makes any child's panic better: A hug from daddy.

"Zita, you've done nothing wrong, you aren't in trouble."

"S-. Stupid child-body, can't control it's emotions-."
Hey, now. Don't be in such a rush to grow up.

Ah.

"That answers my next question. You remember a good deal, don't you?"
I wonder just how much? Because having a near-adult mind in a child's body would be hellishly frustrating.

I feel her nod as the damp from her tears seeps through my t-shirt.

"Your mother and I are just worried that we're raising you wrong, given how developed you are. This isn't a situation that comes up in parenting classes. Are you alright to talk about it?"
And it's always hardest with the first child, too. They end up being the one you make all the mistakes on...

"I don't like losing control, especially in front of people. Can we please go somewhere private?"

"Of course we can." I turn around, make eye contact with Zorina and nod towards the door to the meeting rooms. She nods. "Then you can tell me all about it."
I think she'll need some comfort, after being so... public with her emotions, especially around her fellow children.

Well, they knew it coudl happen. I don't remember who she's supposed to be a reincarnation of, but I take it they were someone notable in the magical circles the Zatara family moves in. Still, I hope she doesn't rush into pushing aside her childhood. It goes by so fast, she'll regret it later. After all, being an adult is a lot tougher than being a kid. More stress, more responsibilities, and I suspect she'd take that seriously.
 
"That's not clear. Her last incarnation was a powerful mage, but the one before that wasn't at all. We'll just have to keep an eye on her. Depending on how things go she might regain her second life's magic rather than showing Zatara family magic."

"Did they have any advice for us?"

"Avoid trains, explosions and… Communists, for some reason?"

I frown, then shrug. A hidden coven of witches are the last people who are going to give clear answers. "Alright. I think we can manage that?"
Just reread the previous Baul chapter, and realized that it most likely is Tanya. Mr Zoat, did you read/watch that story before starting this one? If yes, would Baul remember it?
 
Rocket's doppelganger, named after the scud missile.

I want to think she might be a cyborg here, but that might not be true and I might be thinking that because of the Syndicate's love for do it yourself augmentation.
She was experimented on using the technology found in the ship that carried Icon's counterpart. The experiments had an adverse effect on her brain.
 
Poor girl must be freaking out being surrounded by supervillains; wonder if she remembers the setting, DC or is completely lost.
I don't think that a Japanese person of her generation would know much about DC outside of Superman and Batman. Maybe not even that.
By the way, this Paul really didn't lose time. 3 kids already? Who was the instigator for that, Zorina and her family values?
Yes. Zatara family tradition is that only those with the family magic can inherit. As such, you're supposed to keep having children until at least one demonstrates it. Also, Catholicism.
Raquel Ervin, Rocket.
And Capo Al Scott named his kid Pavor? Too on the nose, no?
Olympia picked it.
Just reread the previous Baul chapter, and realized that it most likely is Tanya. Mr Zoat, did you read/watch that story before starting this one?
I don't think I did, no. I'm treating it as if he has no idea.
I want to think she might be a cyborg here, but that might not be true and I might be thinking that because of the Syndicate's love for do it yourself augmentation.
Owlman's experiments with Terminian technology left Raquel brain damaged, but after seeing how worried she was about her capacity to function as a mother Jackie Quick started asking around to see if anyone knew how to fix brains. Reliably. And it turned out that the answer was 'yesish', thus her new implant.
some -> someone
you -> she
Thank you, corrected.
 
I don't think that a Japanese person of her generation would know much about DC outside of Superman and Batman. Maybe not even that.

Who knows, I don't follow the series where the character's from, but many isekai characters seem to be Geeks or versed enough in pop-culture and DC and Marvel have even Manga, so the settings are known enough in Japan by Otakus or whatever. Then again, if this is that individual's second reincarnation, they might have already forgotten most of their original life.


So is Al and Olympia's kid? Damn, future Fear Demigod, then.

Hopefully most of these kids get influenced by Blue Lantern's smart thinking in the same way that he's steering their parents in more constructive methods. The planet needs it when we can't even trust all the heroes, at the moment, to strive for peace.
 
Who knows, I don't follow the series where the character's from, but many isekai characters seem to be Geeks or versed enough in pop-culture and DC and Marvel have even Manga, so the settings are known enough in Japan by Otakus or whatever. Then again, if this is that individual's second reincarnation, they might have already forgotten most of their original life.



So is Al and Olympia's kid? Damn, future Fear Demigod, then.

Hopefully most of these kids get influenced by Blue Lantern's smart thinking in the same way that he's steering their parents in more constructive methods. The planet needs it when we can't even trust all the heroes, at the moment, to strive for peace.
The series is about an otaku salaryman getting reincarnated as a not!German girl in magic World War 1 and becoming essentially the Red Baron as an 11 year old. She was an atheist in her past life, but I don't think it's ever been said she was particularly an otaku. Her salaryman past life got murdered in 2013 and the novel generally avoids talking about her past life or hobbies. She might or might not be an otaku, but she was definitely physically strong and not the general image of an isekai protagonist. She doesn't act particularly chuuni at any point either.
 
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Considering that her family is Catholic I'm betting even money on Zorina being the instigator on that. Hell she even mentioned that she was expected to basically be a house wife to show she's a woman and it threw Paul for a loop.
Or a minor curse that prevents modern birth control from surviving in her house. How hard would it be to lay a curse of entropy over condoms using similarity principles?
 
That's cute, the word you're looking for is mind rape.
It was more like mind-murder, if Tangseid was correct. The original person is just gone, not still in the backs of their head, screaming.

... of course, if Tangseid was wrong about that, it may have actual consequences for him later.
 
It's still a little surprising, just now normal supervillains can be. Even when they're dressed up, if you know how to approach them, you can start a conversation about American football or baseball or the weather and get a pretty normal answer back.
'just how'
Less so than the menfolk, as it's much easier for them to find someone they're willing to have bear their children than it is for a villainess to find someone she want to sire her children and then take a year out to actually gestate and wean them.
'she wants to'
The total extra children added to our population, most of whom have superpowers, mean that I actually got to build the first ever supervillain nursery school, complete with robotic security staff able to intervene if their powers flare up during tantrums.
Extraneous 'total'?

I wondered when we'd be seeing this universe again.

The series is about an otaku salaryman getting reincarnated as a not!German girl in magic World War 1 and becoming essentially the Red Baron as an 11 year old. She was an atheist in her past life, but I don't think it's ever been said she was particularly an otaku. Her salaryman past life got murdered in 2013 and the novel generally avoids talking about her past life or hobbies. She might or might not be an otaku, but she was definitely physically strong and not the general image of an isekai protagonist. She doesn't act particularly chuuni at any point either.
At the beginning of the novel version, he gets berated by Being X for, among other things, enjoying violent FPS games. As far as I'm aware that's as close to 'otaku' as he got. He seems to have tried to act like an upstanding citizen, so he probably wouldn't want to do anything too 'weird'.
 
I nod, tilting my head to the left so that my cheek presses against the top of her head. Oh, all of our children have given us sleepless nights, but Zita's younger sister Zoë has a habit of screaming at every little thing that she's showing no sign of growing out of. Zita on the other hand acts more like a miniature adult half the time and the only thing that distresses her are her own lapses into childishness.
Wait, do all his kids are actual isekai reincarnators?
 
"Now, I'm sure that you've noticed that you're a lot more mature than a lot of children your age-."

Is she..? Shaking?
One of the things I still can't tell is whether she's misunderstood and thinks that b-paul is a terrifying supervillain.

Certainly she seems to react with fear relatively often in this conversation, though we haven't really seen enough of their relationship to be able to draw firm conclusions.
 

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