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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

"Y'all really gaht…" She looks incredulous. "Lords, bein' part of the gover'ment?"
This from someone in the US? At least those lords aren't bought and sold on the open market.

Speaking of has that version of the IS not done any asteroid mining? Pretty sure he could outbid anyone and everyone in the US to shape the laws more sanely. Or at least less insanely.
 
What's Gambit doing? Is he still with the X-Men now that Rouge and Paul are married or did he storm off to have solo adventures since he "lost his girl"?
 
Law Lords, really? Sound so epic, I now can't help imaging epic battle of Law Lord and Chief Justice vs, IDK, Prime Judge. All saying "I am the law!"
The chief usher of parliament in Commonwealth countries has the title Black Rod. They carry a mace in parliament in case King Charles tries to break in again.
 
Supnautica (part 43) New
7th May 2013
13:55 GMT -2


"Ah." Ahri'ahn looks up for a moment, then scribbles something on a document held by an aide and then dismisses them. The aide bows and leaves, then Ahri'ahn walks towards me. "Orange Lantern."

I… Find myself sighing.

Ahri'ahn frowns. "Is something amiss?"

"Yeah." I shake my head. "I'm probably doing something stupid, but…" Huh. "I realise that you've been busy, but have you read up on recent surface world history?"

"I've only had a rough overview. My work in Atlantis has taken priority. That's one of the reasons why I've taken Kaldur'ahm as my student; his experience should help me interact with foreign nations."

"Ah… That wasn't really the focus of his studies."

"I am aware. And I accept that there are better advisors in Atlantis. I just make use of his knowledge for a 'first reading'. But if you think that there is something that I should know, I don't understand why you think that you are being foolish. I am not so prideful that I refuse to hear advice contrary to my own thoughts."

"Before my coterie and I fought Nabu, I offered him several compromises. A thaumically active golem to replace his host-slave, my own service in finding a rotating circle of hosts… Or he could go back on a shelf. We fought when his arrogance led him to refuse, and as much as I still hate him, I do.. see it as a loss that he didn't accept. And then-. There's a man called Leonard Snart. Brilliant man. He created a weapon that can reduce the temperature of anything it hits to absolute zero. On a scale where the freezing point of water is zero and the boiling point of water is one hundred, the target hits minus two hundred and seventy. He used it for petty theft, and then he met me, and now his technology repairs glaciers and reduces refrigeration costs in a way that's making him a pretty decent income legally."

"That does not sound foolish either. You gave an enemy a chance to honourably yield and made a criminal into an honest man."

"It's-. I like making the world a better place for everyone. Ideally. And I… I get wrong-footed when I see a fight coming… There's this.. merchant prince called Lex Luthor, and I'm pretty sure that I'm eventually going to have to kill him and it's so pointless because we don't disagree about anything."

"I'm…" He gathers his thoughts for a moment. "Orange Lantern, you appear to be egotising. I don't understand what you want. And I am rather busy."

"I've been to Kor with its founder. We triggered that ambush. And we ran into Brainwave in Nanauve, and we went to the cavern where Queen Gamemnae was ritually sacrificed. We know there are more clay zombies making… Giant runic stones with the rune for 'joy' written on them." His face is quite still. "I don't know what's going on. I don't know why it's going on. I don't know if you're actually Ahri'ahn, or Gamemnae, or… Someone else entirely."

I sigh again, and this time I have his full attention.

"And it doesn't-. Doesn't matter. Please. Tell me what you're doing. Tell me why. It-. It-. I probably won't care. I might help, because that's easier than just letting you carry on in a way that causes a tonne of collateral damage."

"I.. don't know-."

I tilt my head back. "Please don't. Because you don't have time to dither. Manitou Raven was on sentry duty. He's up and about and while he's probably not as skilled as an Atlantean archmage he's back in touch with his old friends Teth Adom, Rama Khan, Prince Khufu and Princess Chay-Ara."

His eyes narrow slightly. "It sounds like Kaldur has neglected to explain certain things to me."

"Hey, don't blame him. If you didn't explain what you actually needed, it's hardly his fault that he didn't tell you about it."

"How are they still alive?"

"The Prince and Princess reincarnated a lot and regained their memories, Rama Khan was kept alive by Jarhanpur and Teth Adom took the body of someone who broke into his tomb to steal his powers. Manitou Raven put himself into some sort of suspended animat-."

"I don't-" A slight aspect of contempt enters his expression. "-care about the charm-peddler."

"I think someone willing to step out of time for five thousand years deserves a little respect, if only for their tenacity. So I am talking to former queen Gamemnae, then?"

"You are talking to Lord Ahri'ahn."

"Right, but Ged could talk, too. Were you reanimated by-?"

"Of all the attempts you could have made to rally people against-."

"That's not what this is! I'm trying to help!"

"No one would help the ruler of a foreign nation increase their power. I'm sure that as an educated man you have read 'The Prince'."

"My homeland once ruled about a quarter of the planet, and now it's just got a few islands. My adopted homeland would have happily pretended that the rest of the world didn't exist as they had for three thousand years if it wasn't for me, and they're still not that interested in it. You want Atlantis to be the new world hegemon?" I shrug and pull a face of exaggerated disinterest. "Good for you. Go right ahead. As long as you're not excessively brutal to its inhabitants it's not my concern. You want to replace technology with magic as the dominant paradigm? Good for you. Go right ahead. It doesn't matter to me. Am I getting through?"

His face slides back into neutral. "And if I simply command you to leave?"

"Oh, I'll go. But between what's happening and the disappearance of King Orin, if you're lucky then the Justice League will get here before the Ancients do. They liked Anointed One."

He half-turns away, waving his right hand in dismissal. "I am not in the habit of explaining myself to ignorant foreigners."

"Then de-ignorant me. What are the stones for?"

"The-." He turns back to me. "The rune isn't 'joy'. It's 'Delight'."

"Okay?"

"Did you think I was using Dream? I am aware of its master's return, and I know how vengeful he can be. The power of Delight will bind Atlantis together and raise it up-."

"I'm-I'm sorry. 'Delight', capital 'D', of the Endless?"

"Yes. I realise that Desire could have worked, but in my experience utilising the power of Desire results in short-sighted selfishness."

"Ah… Oh… No."

"What? You can't possibly comprehend the spellcraft involved."

"Not entirely. I've got a rough idea-. The problem is that you somehow missed Delight's… Change."

"What change? They're the Endless."

"And yet they can die. Something… I don't know what, happened to Delight. And she's not Delight any more."

"Then what is she?"

"Delirium."

"D-?" An expression of growing horror appears on his face. "What?"

"W-? What have you done?"
 
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Oh. OH HO! This is fun! I didn't see this coming in the slightest - excellent twist there Zoat! And in hindsight, clever foreshadowing with Dream too.

"My homeland once ruled about a quarter of the planet, and now it's just got a few islands. My adopted homeland would have happily pretended that the rest of the world didn't exist as they had for three thousand years if it wasn't for me, and they're still not that interested in it. You want Atlantis to be the new world hegemon?" I shrug and pull a face of exaggerated disinterest. "Good for you. Go right ahead. As long as you're not excessively brutal to its inhabitants it's not my concern. You want to replace technology with magic as the dominant paradigm? Good for you. Go right ahead. It doesn't matter to me. Am I getting through?"
Seems that Paul is regretfully at the end of his patience.

He half-turns away, waving his right hand in dismissal. "I am not in the habit of explaining myself to ignorant foreigners."

"Then de-ignorant me. What are the stones for?"

"The-." He turns back to me. "The rune isn't 'joy'. It's 'Delight'."
"Did you think I was using Dream? I am aware of its master's return, and I know how vengeful he can be. The power of Delight will bind Atlantis together and raise it up-."

"I'm-I'm sorry. 'Delight', capital 'D', of the Endless?"

"Yes. I realise that Desire could have worked, but in my experience utilising the power of Desire results in short-sighted selfishness."

"Ah… Oh… No."

"What? You can't possibly comprehend the spellcraft involved."
It's nice to see someone competent fucking up due to circumstances outside of their control. And I'm glad he's not evil-evil. Semi-justifiably arrogant and outdated at worst!

I'm curious if there's more than one Major Plot Thread going on at the moment - Delirium and the clay zombies both being triggered by Atlantis's rise in different ways, getting the wires between each Machiavellian scheme crossed something fierce.
 
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Ah, somebody forgot to double check that his assumptions about certain key variables were correct. A classic and very common error.

And this is why when you're doing something important you verify all your assumptions even if you have no reason to believe they are wrong.
 
I get the urgency, but outside of meta knowledge, how is the SI going to explain knowing about any of that? He's interacted with Desire and Dream a few times and terrified Hinon with his knowledge, but that's about it?
 
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To be fair, I can see why he wouldn't ever expect a pillar of creation like Delight to have... changed.
Even if she died and was reborn/replaced, Delight would still be Delight, like Dream is still Dream and Death will always be Death.

'Taking the time to check that Delight was still around' would be like 'bothering to check that water is still wet' or that the sun still does what you think it does.
Why would it ever occur to him that it could change?
 
7th May 2013
13:55 GMT -2


"Ah." Ahri'ahn looks up for a moment, then scribbles something on a document held by an aide and then dismisses them. The aide bows and leaves, then Ahri'ahn walks towards me. "Orange Lantern."

I… Find myself sighing.
And no doubt Ahri'ahn is expecting trouble of some kind. If he's been paying attention, he knows OL and his allies has been poking around. Which would make this the inevitable face-to-face confrontation between 'hero' and 'villain'. Which of them is which would depend on who you ask.

Ahri'ahn frowns. "Is something amiss?"

"Yeah." I shake my head. "I'm probably doing something stupid, but…" Huh. "I realise that you've been busy, but have you read up on recent surface world history?"
Wait, he's actually going to flatout ask Ahri'ahn what he's doing? Evidently his temper is worn thin.

"I'm only had a rough overview. My work in Atlantis has taken priority. That's one of the reasons why I've taken Kaldur'ahm as my student; his experience should help me interact with foreign nations."

"Ah… That wasn't really the focus of his studies."
And really, he should have been more diligent about getting up to date. A lot of his conflicts with the surface world might have been mitigated by a better understanding of them.

"I am aware. And I accept that there are better advisors in Atlantis. I just make use of his knowledge for a 'first reading'. But if you think that there is something that I should know, I don't understand why you think that you are being foolish. I am not so prideful that I refuse to hear advice contrary to my own thoughts."
Because there are things you seem to be overlooking, blondie.

"Before my coterie and I fought Nabu, I offered him several compromises. A thaumically active golem to replace his host-slave, my own service in finding a rotating circle of hosts… Or he could go back on a shelf. We fought when his arrogance led him to refuse, and as much as I still hate him, I do.. see it as a loss that he didn't accept. And then-. There's a man called Leonard Snart. Brilliant man. He created a weapon that can reduce the temperature of anything it hits to absolute zero. On a scale where the freezing point of water is zero and the boiling point of water is one hundred, the target hits minus two hundred and seventy. He used it for petty theft, and then he met me, and now his technology repairs glaciers and reduces refrigeration costs in a way that's making him a pretty decent income legally."
Good to know he's doing well for himself. Licensing his cold-ray tech is paying off, then.

"That does not sound foolish either. You gave an enemy a chance to honourably yield and made a criminal into an honest man."

"It's-. I like making the world a better place for everyone. Ideally. And I… I get wrong-footed when I see a fight coming… There's this.. merchant prince called Lex Luthor, and I'm pretty sure that I'm eventually going to have to kill him and it's so pointless because we don't disagree about anything."
I suppose that's the best way to frame Lex to someone like Ahri'ahn. Given that the old wizard probably hasn't heard of capitalism as a modern philosophy before.

"I'm…" He gathers his thoughts for a moment. "Orange Lantern, you appear to be egotising. I don't understand what you want. And I am rather busy."

"I've been to Kor with its founder. We triggered that ambush. And we ran into Brainwave in Nanauve, and we went to the cavern where Queen Gamemnae was ritually sacrificed. We know there are more clay zombies making… Giant runic stones with the rune for 'joy' written on them." His face is quite still. "I don't know what's going on. I don't know why it's going on. I don't know if you're actually Ahri'ahn, or Gamemnae, or… Someone else entirely."
Ah, it is indeed the confrontation part of the tale. And it seems OL's scored a hit or two there...

I sigh again, and this time I have his full attention.

"And it doesn't-. Doesn't matter. Please. Tell me what you're doing. Tell me why. It-. It-. I probably won't care. I might help, because that's easier than just letting you carry on in a way that causes a tonne of collateral damage."
Come on, you know you want to monologue about your brilliant plan.

"I.. don't know-."

I tilt my head back. "Please don't. Because you don't have time to dither. Manitou Raven was on sentry duty. He's up and about and while he's probably not as skilled as an Atlantean archmage he's back in touch with his old friends Teth Adom, Rama Khan, Prince Khufu and Princess Chay-Ara."
And if he's Gamemnae in disguise, that is a whale-sized red flag. She would know they're going to take exception to her, after all.

His eyes narrow slightly. "It sounds like Kaldur has neglected to explain certain things to me."

"Hey, don't blame him. If you didn't explain what you actually needed, it's hardly his fault that he didn't tell you about it."
Yeah, you don't ask, you don't find out. To be fair, though, why would he ever have needed to ask about things like that? And I doubt he gets kaldur to speak about his personal adventures, which is where some of those details would come up...

"How are they still alive?"

"The Princes and Princess reincarnated a lot and regained their memories, Rama Khan was kept alive by Jarhanpur and Teth Adom took the body of someone who broke into his tomb to steal his powers. Manitou Raven put himself into some sort of suspended animat-."
A whole variety of methods to effectively endure the ages, or sidestep them. The effectiveness of each is somewhat variable, though.

"I don't-" A slight aspect of contempt enters his expression. "-care about the charm-peddler."

"I think someone willing to step out of time for five thousand years deserves a little respect, if only for their tenacity. So I am talking to former queen Gamemnae, then?"
Well, someone has a low opinion of Raven.

"You are talking to Lord Ahri'ahn."

"Right, but Ged could talk, too. Were you reanimated by-?"
Should OL be poking him to see if he's made of clay now, or shall we wait until he throws the first blow?

"Of all the attempts you could have made to rally people against-."

"That's not what this is! I'm trying to help!"

"No one would help the ruler of a foreign nation increase their power. I'm sure that as an educated man you have read 'The Prince'."
Got to admit, he's right. At least from the typically selfish point of view of a mastermind. But some people take altruism to extremes.

"My homeland once ruled about a quarter of the planet, and now it's just got a few islands. My adopted homeland would have happily pretended that the rest of the world didn't exist as they had for three thousand years if it wasn't for me, and they're still not that interested in it. You want Atlantis to be the new world hegemon?" I shrug and pull a face of exaggerated disinterest. "Good for you. Go right ahead. As long as you're not excessively brutal to its inhabitants it's not my concern. You want to replace technology with magic as the dominant paradigm? Good for you. Go right ahead. It doesn't matter to me. Am I getting through?"
Man, OL has really been pushed to his limits, hasn't he? I get the feeling he wants all this Atlantis stuff over with as much as some of us readers. That may just be arc fatigue talking, though.

His face slides back into neutral. "And if I simply command you to leave?"

"Oh, I'll go. But between what's happening and the disappearance of King Orin, if you're lucky then the Justice League will get here before the Ancients do. They liked Anointed One."
From what I remember of the Obsidian Age story, he was a nice guy, once you got past the classical Heroic attitude about bloodshed.

He half-turns away, waving his right hand in dismissal. "I am not in the habit of explaining myself to ignorant foreigners."

"Then de-ignorant me. What are the stones for?"
Come on, yo must be itching to blab it all, 'Arry. Greatest piece of spellwork in Atlantis' history, and no-one knows about it?

"The-." He turns back to me. "The rune isn't 'joy'. It's 'Delight'."

"Okay?"
...Wait, as in...

"Did you think I was using Dream? I am aware of its master's return, and I know how vengeful he can be. The power of Delight will bind Atlantis together and raise it up-."

"I'm-I'm sorry. 'Delight', capital 'D', of the Endless?"
<sucks breath through teeth.> Oooh, big problem there...

"Yes. I realise that Desire could have worked, but in my experience utilising the power of Desire results in short-sighted selfishness."

"Ah… Oh… No."
It's funny how well that lines up with the Emotional Spectrum. Wonder if there's any other correlations...

"What? You can't possibly comprehend the spellcraft involved."

"Not entirely. I've got a rough idea-. The problem is that you somehow missed Delight's… Change."
It was that recent? I always got the impression her change happened eons ago...

"What change? They're the Endless."

"And yet they can die. Something… I don't know what, happened to Delight. And she's not Delight any more."
And that is a thing. For instance, the current Despair is not the original. It's actually implied she was the murderer of her predecessor.

"Then what is she?"

"Delirium."
Which may have some crossover with delight, but ultimately has a more chaotic aspect.

"D-?" An expression of growing horror appears on his face. "What?"

"W-? What have you done?"
You dun goofed. I guess even millennia-old super-wizards can have moments of stupid...

...Well, that was unexpected. At the start of the chapter, I assumed OL was trying to force a confrontation that would end with Ahri'ahn or Gamemnae or whoever it was would attack him, giving him a clear target. But no, while he may have been trying that, it turns out that Ahri'ahn overlooked some critical information in his grand plan. :sneaky: Now we get to see him flop-sweat as he realises how fucked he might be.
 
I can imagine it now, the people of Atlantis, or whatever's left of them, all condemning the man who both helped make them what they are and almost destroy them completely: "Arhi'ahn, the Ignorant One". If he's lucky, Delirium will simply drive him insane.
 
Delirium nice I don't think we've seen her since the FRUITCAKE. If I remember correctly she was given a slice and no one realized it was her. Who would have noticed her in New York City, I think I only remember it because fish ballon.
 
Delirium nice I don't think we've seen her since the FRUITCAKE. If I remember correctly she was given a slice and no one realized it was her. Who would have noticed her in New York City, I think I only remember it because fish ballon.
That was Shivering Jemmy. Delirium is far more powerful and far less sane.
 

"I've only"

"The-." He turns back to me. "The rune isn't 'joy'. It's 'Delight

So he's planning on using Endless power.

The power of Delight will bind Atlantis together and raise it up-."

"I'm-I'm sorry. 'Delight', capital 'D', of the Endless?"

Yep.

Not entirely. I've got a rough idea-. The problem is that you somehow missed Delight's… Change."

"What change? They're the Endless."

"And yet they can die

Yeah, Hinon mentioned that there was a previous Despair.

And while that may be true, the current one is still despair.

Then what is she?"

"Delirium."

"D-?" An expression of growing horror appears on his face. "What?"

"W-? What have you done

So the mond controlling aspect that the Atlanteans suffered from may not have been intentional.
 
Well, someone has a low opinion of Raven

If this is Gamemnae then she may have considered how Manitou's people live to be barbaric compared to her own people.

Rama may have been acceptable because his kingdom and hers are fairly similar, or she just wanted to learn some spells.
 
It seems like using Delight as Ahri'ahn intended would count as utilizing the power of a god it jumped-up elemental. I can also understand them being exceptions.

Hmm. I wonder if this could involuntarily turn Ahri'ahn into a Lord of Chaos. Funneling a bunch of primordial delirium into himself in order to shield his city-state, perhaps. I'm not sure how delirium differs from DC's typical portrayal of chaos.
 
I get the urgency, but outside of meta knowledge, how is the SI going to explain knowing about any of that? He's interacted with Desire and Dream a few times and terrified Hinon with his knowledge, but that's about it?
Didn't that happen a while ago? Maybe every mage that didn't skip centuries and is of high enough level to worry about the Endless knows Delight changed into Delirium for some reason.
 
"Hello, Paldak. I mean you-. No, you're gone again."

Serifan looks at Dreamer. "Can you speed this up any?"

Paldak's eyes open again, and make contact with Ub'x's. "What do you want with us, weird mould-covered alien?
Ub'x looks a little uncomfortable as Paldak scurries up to him and pushes her face into his.
"Can you tell if Paldak is still alive?"
But I'm already unfocusing, staring beyond the world. The desires of soldiers in combat are much the same from place to place, slanted by the fact that we're obviously not receiving damage or fighting back. Beyond that, I look for images of Ub'x or Paldak, anything they've done or anywhere they've been.
I was rereading and found that although this character's name started out spelled this way, moving forward it was always spelled as 'Peldak'.
 

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