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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)
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Have we considered "global SEP field spell" as a reason why no one's worried?
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I think that was addressed in a discussion with Harleen at some point, something about being able to do a genetic reset but choosing not to because it would be too much like murder?
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I hope it's just OMAC, imagine what could happen if someone botched using/adding Reach Beetle Tech in them.
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Thankfully, the only sample of such technology on Earth is still inert.
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A few comments.
First, Tetch doesn't seem all that remorseful over the things he did as the Hatter, much less hijacking people now. He might saner, but he still doesn't respect anyone's personal autonomy.
Second, remember a few updates ago when Canis looked at a picture of Tetch in the Mad Hatter costume and was like, "Huh, looks like pretty normal Apocalyptian clothing to me."? That was nice foreshadowing!
I too am invested in Tetch now. Awakening as a New God certainly puts him up a tier as a threat, but also gives him a lot more potential. I kind of hope that the SI is able to recruit him to some kind of non-villain occupation after this. OL is employing people a lot worse than Tetch in the war against the Reach.
One dog that isn't barking— where exactly is Batman in all of this? Yes, he declined OL's call, but has his partner Mr. Atom really not noticed that some Peace Agents have gone rogue? It's been minutes now; plenty of time for Batman to be alerted and deploy what with his power ring and hush tube and all that. I guess it's possible Batman is in the middle of something so delicate and important that he can't be disturbed for anything less than "immediate world-threatening crisis," of which this admittedly doesn't qualify.
First, Tetch doesn't seem all that remorseful over the things he did as the Hatter, much less hijacking people now. He might saner, but he still doesn't respect anyone's personal autonomy.
Second, remember a few updates ago when Canis looked at a picture of Tetch in the Mad Hatter costume and was like, "Huh, looks like pretty normal Apocalyptian clothing to me."? That was nice foreshadowing!
I too am invested in Tetch now. Awakening as a New God certainly puts him up a tier as a threat, but also gives him a lot more potential. I kind of hope that the SI is able to recruit him to some kind of non-villain occupation after this. OL is employing people a lot worse than Tetch in the war against the Reach.
One dog that isn't barking— where exactly is Batman in all of this? Yes, he declined OL's call, but has his partner Mr. Atom really not noticed that some Peace Agents have gone rogue? It's been minutes now; plenty of time for Batman to be alerted and deploy what with his power ring and hush tube and all that. I guess it's possible Batman is in the middle of something so delicate and important that he can't be disturbed for anything less than "immediate world-threatening crisis," of which this admittedly doesn't qualify.
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I'm not talking genetic. I mean repairing his brain damage without changing his genetic structure. We know Lanterns can do it, because it's happened before in the story. Remember Mister Huang?
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Do we know if Kord still has the scarab during the insanity of the Anti-Life It could have been stolen.
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It's really too bad Orange Lantern ignored all the Brother Eye warning signs...
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It seems like Mr. Zoat (and the SI) just kind of despise the Joker as a character, to be honest. If OL went to the effort could he figure out how to "fix" the Joker? You know, I bet he probably could; he's done some incredible things when he's set his mind to it, like toppling Zeus. Does he particularly want to? (No, I am not doing that thing of putting "want" in orange; I will leave that to the story.) No, I don't think he particularly wants to. Helping any other random person with severe problems who hasn't murdered a lot of people seems like a better use of his time if he's mustering up the desire to go do some healing.
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I understand that Zoat/Paul dislikes The Joker and wouldn't want to heal him, and that's perfectly fine. There's nothing wrong with not wanting to heal the psychotic mass murderering clown.
But what I'm really asking here is about all the other lanterns who don't hate The Joker, or at least don't want to kill him as much as Zoat/Paul does, like Alan or Ghia'ta. Hell, even Batman might want to use his yellow ring to directly change the Joker's brain to make him more compliant and less chaotic. Paul doesn't want to heal The Joker because he hates him, but what's their reason for not changing or healing The Joker?
And before you say anything, I also want to point out that it wouldn't be out-of-character for a blue lantern or a Star Sapphire to want to heal even someone as evil as The Joker, because their whole thing is to believe in love and hope or whatnot, which includes rehabilitation or second chances. That goes double for Alan and Bruce, since Alan actually lives in Gotham and has probably seen first-hand how sick and disturbed the Joker is, and would definitely hope for his recovery and rehabilitation, while the currently crazy Batman would probably jump at the chance to finally get rid of his nemesis once and for all without killing him, even if it means using Fear to rearrange his mind to make him more docile like in the Justice Lords universe.
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End of that reminds me of a scene from HPMOR, where Snape makes a point about making sure you and the person your talking to are actually having the same conversation. LOL
We're All Mad Here (part 23)
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18th July 2013
14:17 GMT -5
"-do you mean?"
And some sort of red… Dot appears on their foreheads as their faces are covered, red lines of the sort I've come to associate with New God technology growing out from that point-.
Yes, okay, those are clearly O.M.A.C.s. In the comics, they were killer sleeper agents controlled by Brother Eye, an A.I. Batman built at his most paranoid to keep track of superhumans worldwide. I don't remember exactly what made it go rogue, and I definitely don't remember any kind of 'Global Peace Agency'. O.M.A.C.s in the comics were super strong, tough, can fly and project energy beams from their 'eye', as well as coming with a built-in hostage.
"Subjecting people who've already gone through two rounds of mind control to a worse form of mind control is not improving the situation."
"You knew, didn't you? I can see that you recognise them."
"They're outwardly similar to some drones from a parallel universe that attacked LexCorp a couple of years ago. I suspect that they share internal design elements as well. May I ask what you intend to do with them?"
"I'm going to use them to destroy the rest of his army."
"The rest of the Global Peace-."
"Don't call it that."
The O.M.A.C.s around me go from doubled over to standing at alert and as still as statues as the change takes effect. Their desire networks go from 'weak' to 'completely unreadable'.
"The rest of Batman's army is probably in the dark about their condition. Certainly, the rest of the Justice League are as well. We can go and talk to them about this-."
"As if they'll do anything! Do you know how many times the Justice League has offered to intervene in one issue or another and been turned down? They're probably thrilled to have the authority and force to do what they want!"
"Not that often, and they have ways of bypassing their restrictions."
"Oh really."
"The charter restrictions only apply to actual Justice League members, not sidekicks and affiliates. And there's no restriction on sharing 'essential information', so they can just get whatever intelligence the relevant nations provide and give it to someone who can do something about it. No one else wanted this."
"You did."
"Excuse me?"
"I saw your interview. Where you went on about how democracy didn't work when people were fundamentally unequal and how superhuman-ruled states endured the Anti-Life better."
"I… Did say that, and as far as I can tell it's true, but I don't see how you get from there to here."
"You..? Want this."
"You're the one who did it."
"Don't contradict me!" Oh dear. "Yes… Yes. A secret army for the Justice League in case anyone tries to resist you as you cement your control."
"But we don't need an army for that. They're just giving it to us. And I wish they weren't!"
"I don't believe you! You're all the same… All the same." "Kill him."
Fives heads turn-
"Go!"
-and glowing red lances of something exotic slam into my hastily-raised construct armour! I'm knocked back through the wall, construct armour cracking-
The far wall explodes as Kara Two bashes through it, slams into one of the O.M.A.C.s and then careens on through the room before smashing a second hole next to me!
"I got this one!"
-as I raise a construct shield. Okay, I should be able to jam their-.
"Keep fighting."
My construct jammer fails, sparking like it's an actual device rather than a construct.
"Attack!"
In the corner of my eye I see Dr. Tetch start.. fiddling with the globe using some sort of New God tool. One of the O.M.A.C.s interrupts my striding forwards, its beam's attack still racing against my ability to restore my construct armour in an attempt to actually hit me. Neither my plasma field not kinetic barrier appear to be doing anything to it, which either means that they have an inherent ability to disrupt them or the type of energy hitting me isn't technically either.
I don't know how tough they are and I can't just hit them as hard as I can because of the built-in hostage situation. Can't jam their link to what is almost certainly Brother Eye and can't mess with their heat exchange system for.. some reason.
The O.M.A.C. walking towards me stop firing, the eye on its forehead building in intensity for a moment before-. Flashing, glowing red dots appearing on each of its hands which it thrusts forwards-. Effortlessly piercing my construct barrier and-.
Construct pneumatic ram.
BOOF!
The O.M.A.C. is knocked flying!
Literally. It travels about three metres before stabilising itself in the air, and the other three precisely target the gap-
Gh-h!
-in my chest which is now not covered by construct armour. Evade!
Transition fails, but construct rockets fling me across the room and out of the path of the beams.
"In your own time, Canis!"
Two thin red beams punch through the ceiling, hitting one of the O.M.A.C. units in the eyepiece. Its beam cuts out and its epidermis undulates for a moment before snapping back. It and one of the others redirect their eye beams upwards, giving me just enough time to switch to my heavier armour. And knit my chest back together and re-establish-.
One of the O.M.A.C.s shooting at Kara One deactivates its eye beam and leaps, punching though the roof and presumably flying after her. The two still focusing on me also deactivate their eyebeams, instead moving to surround me with their hands glowing.
Activate crumbler gauntlets.
A punch from my left creates a thin rent in my construct armour. My counter-slap blackens the outer armour covering my attacker's forearm and shuts down the red light on its hand. Construct rockets then send me body slamming into it and knocking it back before I'm forced to spin on the spot to stop the second one attacking me from behind.
I need to get through the armour and rip the New God technology off them. Or-.
I fire an energy pulse at Dr. Tetch, but to his amusement it just sort of peters out before it can hit him. A second pulse at the globe does the same thing, then I'm forced to dance as the two O.M.A.C.s begin taking turns to swing at me, perfectly timing things to keep me from focusing on either of them. I'm reduced to repeatedly evading, and the outer surface of my armour is getting fairly beaten up from their brief penetrations.
Let's take this outside and find out how fast they are.
14:17 GMT -5
"-do you mean?"
And some sort of red… Dot appears on their foreheads as their faces are covered, red lines of the sort I've come to associate with New God technology growing out from that point-.
Yes, okay, those are clearly O.M.A.C.s. In the comics, they were killer sleeper agents controlled by Brother Eye, an A.I. Batman built at his most paranoid to keep track of superhumans worldwide. I don't remember exactly what made it go rogue, and I definitely don't remember any kind of 'Global Peace Agency'. O.M.A.C.s in the comics were super strong, tough, can fly and project energy beams from their 'eye', as well as coming with a built-in hostage.
"Subjecting people who've already gone through two rounds of mind control to a worse form of mind control is not improving the situation."
"You knew, didn't you? I can see that you recognise them."
"They're outwardly similar to some drones from a parallel universe that attacked LexCorp a couple of years ago. I suspect that they share internal design elements as well. May I ask what you intend to do with them?"
"I'm going to use them to destroy the rest of his army."
"The rest of the Global Peace-."
"Don't call it that."
The O.M.A.C.s around me go from doubled over to standing at alert and as still as statues as the change takes effect. Their desire networks go from 'weak' to 'completely unreadable'.
"The rest of Batman's army is probably in the dark about their condition. Certainly, the rest of the Justice League are as well. We can go and talk to them about this-."
"As if they'll do anything! Do you know how many times the Justice League has offered to intervene in one issue or another and been turned down? They're probably thrilled to have the authority and force to do what they want!"
"Not that often, and they have ways of bypassing their restrictions."
"Oh really."
"The charter restrictions only apply to actual Justice League members, not sidekicks and affiliates. And there's no restriction on sharing 'essential information', so they can just get whatever intelligence the relevant nations provide and give it to someone who can do something about it. No one else wanted this."
"You did."
"Excuse me?"
"I saw your interview. Where you went on about how democracy didn't work when people were fundamentally unequal and how superhuman-ruled states endured the Anti-Life better."
"I… Did say that, and as far as I can tell it's true, but I don't see how you get from there to here."
"You..? Want this."
"You're the one who did it."
"Don't contradict me!" Oh dear. "Yes… Yes. A secret army for the Justice League in case anyone tries to resist you as you cement your control."
"But we don't need an army for that. They're just giving it to us. And I wish they weren't!"
"I don't believe you! You're all the same… All the same." "Kill him."
Fives heads turn-
"Go!"
-and glowing red lances of something exotic slam into my hastily-raised construct armour! I'm knocked back through the wall, construct armour cracking-
The far wall explodes as Kara Two bashes through it, slams into one of the O.M.A.C.s and then careens on through the room before smashing a second hole next to me!
"I got this one!"
-as I raise a construct shield. Okay, I should be able to jam their-.
"Keep fighting."
My construct jammer fails, sparking like it's an actual device rather than a construct.
"Attack!"
In the corner of my eye I see Dr. Tetch start.. fiddling with the globe using some sort of New God tool. One of the O.M.A.C.s interrupts my striding forwards, its beam's attack still racing against my ability to restore my construct armour in an attempt to actually hit me. Neither my plasma field not kinetic barrier appear to be doing anything to it, which either means that they have an inherent ability to disrupt them or the type of energy hitting me isn't technically either.
I don't know how tough they are and I can't just hit them as hard as I can because of the built-in hostage situation. Can't jam their link to what is almost certainly Brother Eye and can't mess with their heat exchange system for.. some reason.
The O.M.A.C. walking towards me stop firing, the eye on its forehead building in intensity for a moment before-. Flashing, glowing red dots appearing on each of its hands which it thrusts forwards-. Effortlessly piercing my construct barrier and-.
Construct pneumatic ram.
BOOF!
The O.M.A.C. is knocked flying!
Literally. It travels about three metres before stabilising itself in the air, and the other three precisely target the gap-
Gh-h!
-in my chest which is now not covered by construct armour. Evade!
Transition fails, but construct rockets fling me across the room and out of the path of the beams.
"In your own time, Canis!"
Two thin red beams punch through the ceiling, hitting one of the O.M.A.C. units in the eyepiece. Its beam cuts out and its epidermis undulates for a moment before snapping back. It and one of the others redirect their eye beams upwards, giving me just enough time to switch to my heavier armour. And knit my chest back together and re-establish-.
One of the O.M.A.C.s shooting at Kara One deactivates its eye beam and leaps, punching though the roof and presumably flying after her. The two still focusing on me also deactivate their eyebeams, instead moving to surround me with their hands glowing.
Activate crumbler gauntlets.
A punch from my left creates a thin rent in my construct armour. My counter-slap blackens the outer armour covering my attacker's forearm and shuts down the red light on its hand. Construct rockets then send me body slamming into it and knocking it back before I'm forced to spin on the spot to stop the second one attacking me from behind.
I need to get through the armour and rip the New God technology off them. Or-.
I fire an energy pulse at Dr. Tetch, but to his amusement it just sort of peters out before it can hit him. A second pulse at the globe does the same thing, then I'm forced to dance as the two O.M.A.C.s begin taking turns to swing at me, perfectly timing things to keep me from focusing on either of them. I'm reduced to repeatedly evading, and the outer surface of my armour is getting fairly beaten up from their brief penetrations.
Let's take this outside and find out how fast they are.
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So, if I understand correctly, Jervis thinks that the JLA has become tyrants and that they're trying to take over the world with an army of pseudo-justifiers, so he's trying to stop them with his own army of O.M.A.C.S.?
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Yes. He clearly hasn't thought about what would happen afterwards if he succeeded because he's still crazy, just a different kind from his usual crazy.
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Wow, talk about thick headed.
Like... Even Guy Gardner would get it...
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Yeah, at this point, we shouldn't be surprised that Paul doesn't get how what he says on TV can have long-term consequences. Remember the interview he gave after he stole the fruit of knowledge from the Garden of Eden?
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Sadly, not much of a weak point, since anything strong enough to damage the shell will hurt the person inside. This is going to be tricky to overcome without killing the agents.
Ah, the fun of lacking access to our world's wiki sites. Those OMACs were quite the troublesome threat with their full capabilities, and we can but hope these ones aren't that broken.
Ooh, shit. He's not a full mind-reader, is he? I guess the lack of panic reaction showed on OL's face.
5 rogue OMACs versus thousand, possibly hundreds of thousands. I see Tetch's planning ability hasn't improved.
Even if he can gain control of more, there's still far more loyal than there are rogues, and he is still presumably a squishy human until he demonstrates otherwise.
Somehow, the spiritual change worries me more than the rest. That's not a normal mental adjustment, even if it's only blocking empathic vision...
OL should know, he was part of Batman's solution to that issue... and boy, has Tetch really misread the league.
Sadly, they also don't care enough to fight it, so here you are.
Oh, joy. Taking statements out of context to support his point. It's like a suspect internet commentator clickbaiting headlines.
Ugh. He's still living in delusions, but it's now modern delusions.
If he starts screaming about being 'repilled' about something, OL may as well knock him out.He's completely in the photoboard-with-red-strings tier of conspiracy theories, now.
And of course when his world view is challenged, he turns angry. OL is basically agreeing with him, and he's taking every statement as... Gloating about it.
Aw, spit. Time to roll for initiative!
Hooray for superspeed and supersenses giving colossal initiative bonuses.
And now Tetch is sticking his oar in using godspeech...
Let's hope that's not a recurring pattern for this fight.
I bet Tetch is trying to expand his ability to control the OMACs, take over more loyalists and subvert them into blue meanies.
Reallocating energy to a power replication, I bet, mimicking some energy projector guy.
Well, at least they're not breaking constructs on all contacts.
...Just direct attacks. I'm betting it's either a crumbler-like effect or otherwise disrupting the Spectrum energies. and so much for knocking them about, because they can fly quite well.
Hey, go easy, it's not like he has Kryptonian superspeed. And Brut still has to either go around or break through walls in his way...
Local Kara doing the smart thing and keeping her distance.
One less to worry about down here, anyway.
And he can restore any harm to the human host short of total death, so that's not a worry.
Damn, he's got some sort of shielding up to protect himself. Hopefully you guys can beat them before he finishes what he's doing.
Probably fast enough to make collateral damage a concern from missed shots...
So, Tetch is definitely trying to subvert the control systems for the rest of the GPA guys, isn't he? Give him control of them the way he has control of these ones. At which point he becomes a major League-tier threat, and they send in everyone. A pity he's too short-sighted to realise that he's heading for a face-punching...
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Yikes. Tetch isn't just fooling around with leftover technology. Whatever form his god-powers have taken, he appears to be a new god technologist. He has some understanding of what he's doing.
Now I'm not blaming OL for reassembling the globe. It wasn't even a choice; it just sort of happened when he was probing the thing, trying to investigate it. But the sequence of events here seems to be:
1. During the Anti-Life, Tetch fused his brain together to try to resist it, but it left him worse off.
2, Manheim found Tetch and stuck him in a globe to try to use his obsessions as a tool for reality manipulation. Not even a "main plan" that Manheim was really counting on, I think. Just a side experiment that might pay off.
3. When the White Light hit, Tetch escaped and the globe shattered around him as he was released.
4. Tetch couldn't put the globe back together again and probably didn't want to try, given he left it on the ground. Instead he wandered off.
5. As a side effect of Manheim's experiments, Tetch had been awakened as a New God. He didn't even need to consciously hide from ring scans; his new Source-magic nature did the job on its own.
6. Tetch has spent the past six months exploring his new abilities, doing a little light kidnapping and human experimentation in the process.
7. Tetch became very concerned at Batman's new brainwashed army and was able to tap into the GPA network to see what it was really programmed to do, but he had a problem. He could really only control those Peace Agents who were former Justifiers since they were already primed for mind control.
8. Then OL reassembled the globe, which Tetch sensed due to his connection to it. Tetch realized the globe would be the solution to his "problem" of not being able to mind control all the OMACs.
9. Tetch gathered everything he had been able to subvert in the GPA and rushed to seize the globe before Orange Lantern could stop him.
Do I have the sequence of events correct?
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Kind of funny that the only person that really agrees with him on how things look with these Peace Agents is a Batman villain. That should probably have told him something.
But hey, he found a vulnerability in the system. A New God can subvert those Agents who were especially vulnerable to getting Justified
But hey, he found a vulnerability in the system. A New God can subvert those Agents who were especially vulnerable to getting Justified
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Well, no. An army of their own O.M.A.C.s.
Not crazy, just not all that good at making stressful decisions.
Pretty much.
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Oh, joy. Taking statements out of context to support his point. It's like a suspect internet commentator clickbaiting headlines.
Ugh. He's still living in delusions, but it's now modern delusions.
He's completely in the photoboard-with-red-strings tier of conspiracy theories, now.
So...basically Mad Hatter here has taken pages from The Batman's Riddler?
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Honestly this is just about what I expected Anarky/Lonnie to do if he was set up as a short-term adversary rather than a recurring one. He thinks he's the hero, after all.
Poor Hatter though- fighting two kryptonians?! Dang, that's worse than Batman.
Kryptonians aren't really safe from nanobots though. And we know the Blue-verse OMACs had nanobots. Logically this "final" version would also have them. If Brother Eye is actually Mister Atom, then subverting two kryptonians would be worth a failure in this whole scheme. We know Atom is helping direct the work of the Global Peace Agents. We know yellow!Batman would look for a kryptonite solution to Mister Atom, even though old-Batman was broken from the scheming to prepare execution plots for all the Justice League.
So again. Nanobots in Kara One and Two. Mister Atom would use those to their full potential, if he was following Batman's orders or suborned by Brother Eye. They just need to construct a red sunlight device inside them to begin more advanced work. Here we go, Cyborg Supergirl: OMAC Edition! I've found the path, huzzah!
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So where does The Question come into play during all of this?
Did The Question also experience a New God Ascension? I could definitely see that as pinging anomolously against the GPA systems.
Did The Question also experience a New God Ascension? I could definitely see that as pinging anomolously against the GPA systems.