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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)
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I believe I have posted the comic panel before.
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Is Paul ever planning to help out the spirit of misery that lives in Erebus, outside the gate to Tartarus? I can't find where they first met, although I know that it was during the wonder woman origin investigation. I think he promised to help her, even if it was only taken at face value.
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Thanks. I looked up the Citizenry in the story, and found what Paul says about them; he thinks it's the latter.
That was Akhlys, Greek goddess of Misery. She shows up in Episode 40: Carpe Tempus.
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Hellblazer canon is that Hell formed around the First of the Fallen when he was cast out.
Who, might I remind you, is not Lucifer.
Lucy was Fourth of the Fallen, tops.
Hellblazer # 59, pg 22-23;
Medidiction (supplementary, Renegade Option)
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27th August 2012
21:51 GMT -5
"Nice."
Mr Hall grins as Donna Troy walks towards us, a local police officer at her side. I haven't had much to do with Diana's other student, but I don't think I've given her any reason to dislike me.
…
Other than the… Obvious.
"Professional, Mister Hall. You're here in an official capacity."
He clears his throat, straightening up slightly. "Okay, but can I ask her out in an unofficial capacity?"
"In your own time, certainly, assuming that she had nothing to do with the incident we're investigating."
Miss Troy approaches to within convenient speaking distance, and I nod to the police officer and dismiss her with a wave. She's obviously curious about what's going on, but the arrangement between the federal and local authorities doesn't give her any grounds to listen in. She nods back and heads back towards her police car.
"Grayven? Ah, Agent Grayven? What is it?"
Because she has a secret identity and there's no reason for her to know me personally in her role as 'Donna Troy, college student', and we're in a public location. Which is why I didn't just boom tube to her location when I left Artemis and Kanto to see if I could find anything.
"Nothing to worry about too much, Miss Troy." I look over to where a group I assume to be her friends are clustered around the library's entrance. "Would you prefer if we moved somewhere private?"
"Do I need a lawyer?"
"You are entitled to one if you want one, but at the moment I'm not arresting you. Or investigating you for a crime. This is really more of a 'due diligence, eliminating you for my enquiries' sort of thing."
"Okay then, yeah. That's probably a good idea."
I nod and smile.
Mother Box, hush tube to that planet.
Ping.
Mr. Hall heads through first, due to a combination of machismo and a genuine concern for what might happen to his brother if he left him alone for any length of time. Genuine, but insulting concern. I head through next, because we're not escorting Miss Troy and I don't seriously think that she had anything to do with this. But 'feels like Wonder Woman' doesn't result in all that many matches.
I step aside as Donna comes through, frowning as she looks around. I'm not seeing anything on her face or in her actions which suggests any familiarity with the-.
She looks up at the sky with a frown. Ah, she's spotted that we're not on Earth.
"Where are we?"
I shut the tube down.
"You haven't been here before?"
"I've been to two alien worlds, and this isn't one of them. What's going on? Where are-? Where are the local people?"
"We don't know. There are signs of a struggle, but no organic remains. Can you account for your movements over the last three days?"
"Yeah, but, why?"
"It's not her." Artemis walks over. "She feels kind of similar, but not the same."
Donna glances at her, then returns her attention to me. "She's waiting for that explanation."
"I'm not used to using my magic senses on people who aren't Sheeda. Someone was here, and their magic feels like yours and Wonder Woman's."
Donna frowns. "There isn't anyone like me and Wonder Woman."
"Far as I can tell?" Artemis shakes her head. "Not true."
"Except-?"
I shake my head. "Not Orana. I awoke her after she ritually accepted my authority. I could probably navigate back to Earth using her. She certainly hasn't been here."
"There are other demigoddesses on Themyscira, but-. Well…"
I nod. "They're a bunch of shut-ins who wouldn't come to an alien world even if they had the opportunity."
"I wouldn't-." … "Yeah." … "I mean… Some of them might."
I nod. "But if they were inclined to covertly murder three billion people they'd have shown some sign during the last three thousand years. Amazons don't do innovation."
"They certainly don't do three billion murders. What.. happened here?"
I make an exaggerated shrugging gesture.
"We don't know! We don't know. There're signs of a struggle but no bodies. No damage relating to weapons that weren't native. No residues of any kind. Other than the fact that someone incongruous stood here we've got no idea."
Artemis nods. "I was trying to track the other Grayven, when-."
"Other Grayven?"
I nod. "I have a duplicate. I don't know where they came from, but he has a fleet and he's heading for Vega to remonstrate with me. We're… Not exactly on a direct line from his last known location to Vega, but it's not far off."
About half the distance, which… The barrels of some of the muskets were still warm. This was recent. So assuming that they're moving at a constant speed, I know roughly when we should expect them. Unless they're just going to set up a base in our area before actually attacking.
"You don't know of any others?" Donna looks at me quizzically and I shrug. "I don't know, no Amazon went on a mysterious nine month long spiritual retreat after visiting the mainland or something? Because there aren't a lot of options here."
"Plenty of Amazons from the old city of Themyscira didn't ever manage to get to the island. But they would have died thousands of years ago. The.. same with any of them who went back; their immortality is tied to staying there."
I nod. "And the demigoddesses?"
"There was.. about two thousand years where Themyscira had no contact with the mainland at all. And the thing about Themyscira is.. there aren't any men on it."
"Right, but there's magic and there's gods."
"And there's an island full of militant lesbians and it still took three thousand years for Queen Hippolyta to create Diana. If someone had children I haven't heard about it."
"Drat. Well, thank you for your time. I'll take you back-."
"No."
"I'm sorry?"
"You can't just announce something like this and expect me to carry on like nothing happened. And Diana's going to want to be involved too."
That's… I mean, I have-. No, I haven't wanted to get the League involved. This is my dog, and…
This Is Mine.
They aren't likely to appreciate how I'm building the place up, and I can't exactly shove them back out of the way once the fight's over. And while I'm reasonably confident that they won't side with someone who'd do this over me…
I'm not completely sure that they wouldn't try doing something ill-advised.
But if I'm looking at exposure anyway, it's best to make it controlled exposure.
"Then let's go and talk to her."
21:51 GMT -5
"Nice."
Mr Hall grins as Donna Troy walks towards us, a local police officer at her side. I haven't had much to do with Diana's other student, but I don't think I've given her any reason to dislike me.
…
Other than the… Obvious.
"Professional, Mister Hall. You're here in an official capacity."
He clears his throat, straightening up slightly. "Okay, but can I ask her out in an unofficial capacity?"
"In your own time, certainly, assuming that she had nothing to do with the incident we're investigating."
Miss Troy approaches to within convenient speaking distance, and I nod to the police officer and dismiss her with a wave. She's obviously curious about what's going on, but the arrangement between the federal and local authorities doesn't give her any grounds to listen in. She nods back and heads back towards her police car.
"Grayven? Ah, Agent Grayven? What is it?"
Because she has a secret identity and there's no reason for her to know me personally in her role as 'Donna Troy, college student', and we're in a public location. Which is why I didn't just boom tube to her location when I left Artemis and Kanto to see if I could find anything.
"Nothing to worry about too much, Miss Troy." I look over to where a group I assume to be her friends are clustered around the library's entrance. "Would you prefer if we moved somewhere private?"
"Do I need a lawyer?"
"You are entitled to one if you want one, but at the moment I'm not arresting you. Or investigating you for a crime. This is really more of a 'due diligence, eliminating you for my enquiries' sort of thing."
"Okay then, yeah. That's probably a good idea."
I nod and smile.
Mother Box, hush tube to that planet.
Ping.
Mr. Hall heads through first, due to a combination of machismo and a genuine concern for what might happen to his brother if he left him alone for any length of time. Genuine, but insulting concern. I head through next, because we're not escorting Miss Troy and I don't seriously think that she had anything to do with this. But 'feels like Wonder Woman' doesn't result in all that many matches.
I step aside as Donna comes through, frowning as she looks around. I'm not seeing anything on her face or in her actions which suggests any familiarity with the-.
She looks up at the sky with a frown. Ah, she's spotted that we're not on Earth.
"Where are we?"
I shut the tube down.
"You haven't been here before?"
"I've been to two alien worlds, and this isn't one of them. What's going on? Where are-? Where are the local people?"
"We don't know. There are signs of a struggle, but no organic remains. Can you account for your movements over the last three days?"
"Yeah, but, why?"
"It's not her." Artemis walks over. "She feels kind of similar, but not the same."
Donna glances at her, then returns her attention to me. "She's waiting for that explanation."
"I'm not used to using my magic senses on people who aren't Sheeda. Someone was here, and their magic feels like yours and Wonder Woman's."
Donna frowns. "There isn't anyone like me and Wonder Woman."
"Far as I can tell?" Artemis shakes her head. "Not true."
"Except-?"
I shake my head. "Not Orana. I awoke her after she ritually accepted my authority. I could probably navigate back to Earth using her. She certainly hasn't been here."
"There are other demigoddesses on Themyscira, but-. Well…"
I nod. "They're a bunch of shut-ins who wouldn't come to an alien world even if they had the opportunity."
"I wouldn't-." … "Yeah." … "I mean… Some of them might."
I nod. "But if they were inclined to covertly murder three billion people they'd have shown some sign during the last three thousand years. Amazons don't do innovation."
"They certainly don't do three billion murders. What.. happened here?"
I make an exaggerated shrugging gesture.
"We don't know! We don't know. There're signs of a struggle but no bodies. No damage relating to weapons that weren't native. No residues of any kind. Other than the fact that someone incongruous stood here we've got no idea."
Artemis nods. "I was trying to track the other Grayven, when-."
"Other Grayven?"
I nod. "I have a duplicate. I don't know where they came from, but he has a fleet and he's heading for Vega to remonstrate with me. We're… Not exactly on a direct line from his last known location to Vega, but it's not far off."
About half the distance, which… The barrels of some of the muskets were still warm. This was recent. So assuming that they're moving at a constant speed, I know roughly when we should expect them. Unless they're just going to set up a base in our area before actually attacking.
"You don't know of any others?" Donna looks at me quizzically and I shrug. "I don't know, no Amazon went on a mysterious nine month long spiritual retreat after visiting the mainland or something? Because there aren't a lot of options here."
"Plenty of Amazons from the old city of Themyscira didn't ever manage to get to the island. But they would have died thousands of years ago. The.. same with any of them who went back; their immortality is tied to staying there."
I nod. "And the demigoddesses?"
"There was.. about two thousand years where Themyscira had no contact with the mainland at all. And the thing about Themyscira is.. there aren't any men on it."
"Right, but there's magic and there's gods."
"And there's an island full of militant lesbians and it still took three thousand years for Queen Hippolyta to create Diana. If someone had children I haven't heard about it."
"Drat. Well, thank you for your time. I'll take you back-."
"No."
"I'm sorry?"
"You can't just announce something like this and expect me to carry on like nothing happened. And Diana's going to want to be involved too."
That's… I mean, I have-. No, I haven't wanted to get the League involved. This is my dog, and…
This Is Mine.
They aren't likely to appreciate how I'm building the place up, and I can't exactly shove them back out of the way once the fight's over. And while I'm reasonably confident that they won't side with someone who'd do this over me…
I'm not completely sure that they wouldn't try doing something ill-advised.
But if I'm looking at exposure anyway, it's best to make it controlled exposure.
"Then let's go and talk to her."
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Godspeech for your reading pleasure, emphasis mine.
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Remove 'the'
You being you.
'feels' or 'felt'
And she's a full New God rather than something similar like Diana or Donna.
'they'd have'
'we've got'
Yes you do, you just don't want to admit it.
If they were demigods then they may have had immortality or a longer lifespan.
Or some gods gave them immortality blessings without it being tied to a place.
'thank you'
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Woo!
It's been...ages, actually, since we had the League Involved with any of them!
The clashing of philosophies will be fun!
It's been...ages, actually, since we had the League Involved with any of them!
The clashing of philosophies will be fun!
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He's Henry Hall.
Better known as Hawk from the Hawk and Dove team.
He first appeared here.
Better known as Hawk from the Hawk and Dove team.
He first appeared here.
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Thank you, corrected.
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leagued of assassined by Darko.
Anyway...
Since Zoat isn't using the New Earth "All the Amazons are reincarnated souls in bodies fashioned from clay ala Pandora" here, I would assume that if this is Wonder Woman's aunt Astarte she's pinging the god-dar because Hippolyta is Ares' daughter, so presumably auntie Astarte would also be a demigoddess of Ares.
It took DC forever to reveal that just as in Greek myth, Ares is Hippolyta's father.
Anyway...
Since Zoat isn't using the New Earth "All the Amazons are reincarnated souls in bodies fashioned from clay ala Pandora" here, I would assume that if this is Wonder Woman's aunt Astarte she's pinging the god-dar because Hippolyta is Ares' daughter, so presumably auntie Astarte would also be a demigoddess of Ares.
It took DC forever to reveal that just as in Greek myth, Ares is Hippolyta's father.
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I'm betting on either Grail or Grail's mom, though wasn't there an Amazon who went into space and had something to do with the intergalactic slave trade? I forget the details from a half awake wiki crawl.
Anyways always glad to see more of Donna, she's pretty underutilized as a character across the board but her tangled backstory makes her unwieldy. Also always glad to see someone willing to just call Grayven out on his bullshit to his face.
Anyways always glad to see more of Donna, she's pretty underutilized as a character across the board but her tangled backstory makes her unwieldy. Also always glad to see someone willing to just call Grayven out on his bullshit to his face.
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As Darko noted, this would be the brasher of the Hall brothers. I can't believe I clean forgot that the Renegade had recruited Hawk and Dove comparatively recently. At first, I'd assumed it was a random DEA agent he'd roped into getting Donna's help...
Yes, Renegade, you are an arse.
It's gratifying to see the times when he realises he's screwed himself out of contacts because of it. Donna wasn't an active Team member in this timeline, was she?Assuming she's not into older men like so many of her incarnations, he might have a chance. Though I foresee some measure of personality clash. Even if he is one of the few men her age who could keep up with her physically, if you know what I mean...
A nine-foot-tall grey man might get people's attention, yes. I can only wonder what rumours this might spark...
And I'm sure she'd appreciate your discretion... If you hadn't arranged to have a cop collect her for you instead.
Renegades...Oh, boy. I hope they're at least read in on her powers, or this is going to set the rumour mill ablaze...
...argh, Renegade... Just lay off the cloak and dagger, for Source's sake...
Wow, even Mother Box thinks he's overcomplicating things.
If anything, it's probably a case of 'where the hell am I?' She's probably thaumically empowered enough to sense the slight difference in the local mana.
Yeah, definitely getting the feeling she's feeling the difference in atmosphere. Given her similarity to Diana, she's probably got a distinct bond to the Earth.
And now I find myself wondering which worlds. I mean, Mars would probably be one. But unless Olympus counts, I'm hard-pressed to think of the other.
Seriously, Renegade, just tell her.
Boy, I can feel her frustration at the 'New Gods' talking over her head. And not entirely unjustified. Especially when one of them's supposed to be younger than her.
...That you know of. Who's to say what secrets Hippolyta hasn't shared?
Okay, I guess New God senses do work at quite a distance, especially amongst those linked by bonds of fealty...
Hey, now. That's hardly fair. Just because some gods found their mothers irresistible...
...True on all counts, depressingly... Honestly, they kind of wasted all those years, given what some incarnations had accomplished.... Blame Modern DC, I guess.
Even the greatest detective would struggle with so few clues. Unfortunately, I don't think the renegade knows Detective Chimp...
Yes, I know, the thought of more than one of the Renegade is quite the terrific idea... There's no need to sound so horrified.
Well, at least there's some good to come out of it. He has a rough schedule for Grayven-16's progress now... Pity an entire world had to disappear to provide it.
A pity the Goddesses left such an oversight in place... But when has any member of the Greek pantheon shown good sense when the moment needed it?
Not mortal men, no...
Again, who says Hippolyta hasn't been keeping secrets? Or someone else on the island?
Yes, you should be, dragging her here like this... Piquing her curiosity and all.
And you've been doing such a great job of things thus far, haven't you?Well, you burnt your bridges, now you have to work out how to cross them, Renegade.
Finally some sense. Not too late to start building bonds to the heroes, after all.
Still uncertain as to who it'll turn out to be.: Grail, Astarte, Ganurath's suggestion of Devastation, or someone more obscure... But if it is Astarte, the familial connection (Wonder Woman's maternal aunt) could explain the similarity. But the question of 'Why?' still looms large over the situation... Something to wonder about as OL continues his little venture on Karax...
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It's Astarte.
Grail is unlikely to be used due to her coming from the n52.
Same here.
True.
Also true.
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But that will be the easy and logical thing to do.
Renegade doesn't exactly do logical.
She's still fairly young and may not have been trained in anything other than combat, so she may not be that developed.
Or she saw something that makes it clear that it isn't Earth, like a different colored sky, a different colored sun etc.
I'm now getting some vague memories of the Olympians ruling the planets in the Sol system in the pre crisis comics.
Basically creating a technologically and magically advanced society.
Even the greatest detective would struggle with so few clues. Unfortunately, I don't think the renegade knows Detective Chimp...
But paragon may if that enhanced monkey is this universes version of the Detective.
Oh you sound just as horrified.
And who can blame you or Donna.
Two version of Renegade...
...
...I don't want to think about it...
Any gods that come from time to time and any elementals that identify as male, along with who knows what other magic beings
It's like a double rainbow.
It happens, but rarely.
Grayven may have wanted a powerful minion, or a power up from defeating a powerful opponent before he goes after Renegade.
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Yes and no, when Lucifer fell Hell didn't exist, it was an empty place in the darkness that was considered to be the location furthest from heaven. But after Lucifer fell, while he was in that darkness, Hell began to form around him.Hellblazer canon is that Hell formed around the First of the Fallen when he was cast out.
Who, might I remind you, is not Lucifer.
Lucy was Fourth of the Fallen, tops.
Hellblazer # 59, pg 22-23;
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Everything I've found has said it formed around the First, that he and the Second and Third ruled Hell together for a time, then Lucifer crashed down and took over.
Even if it did, Lucifer walked away from Hell some twenty plus years ago and has likely already left Creation completely and utterly.
And even if he hasn't left yet, he barely gave a shit about Hell when he was still ruling it.
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I wonder if anyone on Grayven's Earth is reacting to the warning quakes preceding that baby technology god(dess). I can't think of anything Grayven's done that might delay or mess with said major event.
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Come on GPaul. You know better than this. What does she know at this point? That somewhere in the universe a planet get wiped out and you have an alternate?
If you don't want anybody involved: Keep your mouth shut, they know nothing.
If you don't want anybody involved: Keep your mouth shut, they know nothing.
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Heh, I have a fun idea. Probably not an original one but it's the first time I've thought of it.
I propose we change Grayven's nickname to Gaul, in a bit of a portmanteau of Grayven and Paul
I find the idea of calling an Englishman "Gaul" genuinely amusing. That and I like to play into the stereotypes of NA education every now and then.
Can't take ourselves too seriously now, can we?
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One of the reasons they were happening was that Simpson was trying to gain control of it.
I think the mythical revolution Paul helped start helped him on his quest for that, but that revolution hasn't exactly happened on renegade's Earth, so he may not know how to do it yet.
There was also the advancements that Hell was making, which don't exist in the renegade side.
Like Quinn said, it may take a decade for the tech god to be born.
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There is a wiki, but it's not all that informative and lacks a lot of details.
You can read about each episode and some of the things that happened in them on the Recap part of this stories TV Tropes page.
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