Onslaught (part 14)
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25th August 2012
00:49 GMT
Orange strands shimmer as Lantern Threllian goes to work on the two cores I was able to recover.
"So that you are aware, the ships used by my people don't have central servers."
"Noted."
"That's interesting." Thaddeus has the laboratory's computer bring up a full genetic workup of the captured and currently paralysed juluuni officers. "Not brilliant, but I suppose I can credit them with being rigorous in their simplicity."
"Any idiot can make something more complicated, Thaddeus." I walk over to him to get a better-. Yeah, I've got no idea what I'm looking at. "The Reach were trying to achieve a particular social aim, not learn more about biology."
"Why?"
I take a moment to stare at him.
He frowns. "What?"
"I'm sorry, for a moment there it sounded like you had a moral objection."
"You remember what you said to Father about 'alternate moral paths'?"
I wince inwardly, but keep smiling. "That… Was a small part of a larger discussion about moral systems w-."
"Yeah, but that bit made sense. I'd kill a few people because I needed something which they had or because I could learn something from doing it. I would not do it simply because they were there. That feels… Wrong." He looks introspective for a moment. "Am I having a moral intuition?"
"Um. Maybe. I don't think that you or Georgia have your father's inability to understand morals or social organisation, so it's possible. But in reference to the moral paths I was talking about, that might just mean that you are far less moral than most people and it takes more to arouse your distaste."
"How would I know?"
I look over to the data cores Threllian is analysing. "How would you feel about me destroying those?"
He looks at them for a moment, then shrugs. "I do not care. The technology is not particularly advanced. I could easily create something better."
"If you're not offended by the fact that I could be destroying unique information, then it's probably not an alternate moral system. If you were actually following a moral code of wissenschaft über alles, it would offend you."
He frowns. "So your conclusion is that I'm not so much dedicated to knowledge as I am monstrously jaded?"
"It's a tentative conclusion based on insufficient evidence, but it does sound like it."
His frown deepens. "I do not like that. I do not like that at all."
Over to our right, Lantern Natu squeezes her eyes closed for a moment before turning to face him.
"You're not supposed to like being a monster."
Thaddeus folds his arms across his chest. "What do you know about it?"
"Thaal Sinestro used to rule my homeworld. He wasn't.. terrible to begin with, but as time went on he became more and more anal retentive. Littering became an arrestable offence with gaol time. He shut down off-world travel because he said it encouraged disorder."
Thaddeus nods. "Yes, contact with out-of-context ideas generally does encourage disorder."
"It paralysed our entire civilisation. Nothing that he didn't approve of was allowed to happen and he-. He genuinely believed that it was for our good. He liked doing things that he thought were for our good."
"I do not see what any of that has to do with me. He doesn't sound like a monster, just an inefficient sovereign. Unless it did actually improve your civilisation, then I suppose that he would be farsighted instead."
"Far-?"
"Yes? Educators frequently compel people to do things that they do not want to in order to teach them. I would never do anything like that. Which I suppose means that Paul is correct about my morality."
"Fascinating as I find moral philosophy, could I please return your attention to the juluuni..?"
Thaddeus nods, apparently dismissing the aggrieved Lantern Natu from his awareness.
"It is custom work, only vaguely similar to the phages they have used before. Humanoid species might resemble one another, but chemically they're all very different. In some places I can tell what they've changed by comparing it to other creatures, but in others I can only… Guess."
"Can they be changed back?"
"These juluuni haven't ever been anything else. These were almost certainly grown in a tank. See here?" He presses a button and calls up a wire frame hologram. "Multiple feed tube scars and no abdominal attachment point. If it were me, I would do the initial work on adults and then work out how to code the alterations into their germline, but I am far better at it than whoever did this."
"So is that a no?"
"I can use other examples from their ecosystem and reconstruct a lot of it. Or just make something new. I have a program which I use for subverting automatons which can learn function from form, and I think I could probably adapt it to genetic programming and biological specimens. But it would not be the same." He brightens up slightly. "It would probably be better. But not the same." He shrugs. "If that matters to you."
Threllian glares at him. "It matters to me."
"They won't even have done the same thing to your species. And you have records good enough to undo what they've done."
"If they're growing extinct species in tanks, that would mean that they have records of their original genetic structure somewhere, wouldn't it?"
Lantern Natu nods. "It should. They can't have known what all of their modifications would do until the… Their slaves grew to maturity."
"Good to know. Sorry, Thaddeus, it looks like we won't need your program."
"How about these ones?"
I look over the juluuni currently on the examination beds. What to do with people the Reach have mind controlled is an issue that the Controllers have had to deal with for the entire war. Not every N.E.M.O. member has the same solution. Most will allow reversions to be performed where the technique for undoing the mental alterations is known. Just about all are fine with summary executions where that isn't possible, though the more technically savvy ones prefer live specimens. Earth standard prisoner of war rules aren't followed by anyone… Or perhaps I should say Earth's official prisoner of war rules. I don't think I'd have to look all that hard into the war with the Sheeda -or any other war- to find examples of prisoners being killed out of hand because it wasn't practical to do anything else.
But I don't think we're quite there-.
I glance at Thaddeus.
But I don't think I'm quite there yet.
"Put them in suspended animation and prepare for the next batch. We can study them more once we're out of hostile territory."
Lantern Natu nods.
"Illustres, I've found something curious." Lantern Threllian creates a construct image of a ship. "The fleet has purged records of its point of origin, but they were visited by this. They were in the process of installing something when you destroyed them."
I frown.
"That's the Free Lancers' ship. What were they doing here?"
00:49 GMT
Orange strands shimmer as Lantern Threllian goes to work on the two cores I was able to recover.
"So that you are aware, the ships used by my people don't have central servers."
"Noted."
"That's interesting." Thaddeus has the laboratory's computer bring up a full genetic workup of the captured and currently paralysed juluuni officers. "Not brilliant, but I suppose I can credit them with being rigorous in their simplicity."
"Any idiot can make something more complicated, Thaddeus." I walk over to him to get a better-. Yeah, I've got no idea what I'm looking at. "The Reach were trying to achieve a particular social aim, not learn more about biology."
"Why?"
I take a moment to stare at him.
He frowns. "What?"
"I'm sorry, for a moment there it sounded like you had a moral objection."
"You remember what you said to Father about 'alternate moral paths'?"
I wince inwardly, but keep smiling. "That… Was a small part of a larger discussion about moral systems w-."
"Yeah, but that bit made sense. I'd kill a few people because I needed something which they had or because I could learn something from doing it. I would not do it simply because they were there. That feels… Wrong." He looks introspective for a moment. "Am I having a moral intuition?"
"Um. Maybe. I don't think that you or Georgia have your father's inability to understand morals or social organisation, so it's possible. But in reference to the moral paths I was talking about, that might just mean that you are far less moral than most people and it takes more to arouse your distaste."
"How would I know?"
I look over to the data cores Threllian is analysing. "How would you feel about me destroying those?"
He looks at them for a moment, then shrugs. "I do not care. The technology is not particularly advanced. I could easily create something better."
"If you're not offended by the fact that I could be destroying unique information, then it's probably not an alternate moral system. If you were actually following a moral code of wissenschaft über alles, it would offend you."
He frowns. "So your conclusion is that I'm not so much dedicated to knowledge as I am monstrously jaded?"
"It's a tentative conclusion based on insufficient evidence, but it does sound like it."
His frown deepens. "I do not like that. I do not like that at all."
Over to our right, Lantern Natu squeezes her eyes closed for a moment before turning to face him.
"You're not supposed to like being a monster."
Thaddeus folds his arms across his chest. "What do you know about it?"
"Thaal Sinestro used to rule my homeworld. He wasn't.. terrible to begin with, but as time went on he became more and more anal retentive. Littering became an arrestable offence with gaol time. He shut down off-world travel because he said it encouraged disorder."
Thaddeus nods. "Yes, contact with out-of-context ideas generally does encourage disorder."
"It paralysed our entire civilisation. Nothing that he didn't approve of was allowed to happen and he-. He genuinely believed that it was for our good. He liked doing things that he thought were for our good."
"I do not see what any of that has to do with me. He doesn't sound like a monster, just an inefficient sovereign. Unless it did actually improve your civilisation, then I suppose that he would be farsighted instead."
"Far-?"
"Yes? Educators frequently compel people to do things that they do not want to in order to teach them. I would never do anything like that. Which I suppose means that Paul is correct about my morality."
"Fascinating as I find moral philosophy, could I please return your attention to the juluuni..?"
Thaddeus nods, apparently dismissing the aggrieved Lantern Natu from his awareness.
"It is custom work, only vaguely similar to the phages they have used before. Humanoid species might resemble one another, but chemically they're all very different. In some places I can tell what they've changed by comparing it to other creatures, but in others I can only… Guess."
"Can they be changed back?"
"These juluuni haven't ever been anything else. These were almost certainly grown in a tank. See here?" He presses a button and calls up a wire frame hologram. "Multiple feed tube scars and no abdominal attachment point. If it were me, I would do the initial work on adults and then work out how to code the alterations into their germline, but I am far better at it than whoever did this."
"So is that a no?"
"I can use other examples from their ecosystem and reconstruct a lot of it. Or just make something new. I have a program which I use for subverting automatons which can learn function from form, and I think I could probably adapt it to genetic programming and biological specimens. But it would not be the same." He brightens up slightly. "It would probably be better. But not the same." He shrugs. "If that matters to you."
Threllian glares at him. "It matters to me."
"They won't even have done the same thing to your species. And you have records good enough to undo what they've done."
"If they're growing extinct species in tanks, that would mean that they have records of their original genetic structure somewhere, wouldn't it?"
Lantern Natu nods. "It should. They can't have known what all of their modifications would do until the… Their slaves grew to maturity."
"Good to know. Sorry, Thaddeus, it looks like we won't need your program."
"How about these ones?"
I look over the juluuni currently on the examination beds. What to do with people the Reach have mind controlled is an issue that the Controllers have had to deal with for the entire war. Not every N.E.M.O. member has the same solution. Most will allow reversions to be performed where the technique for undoing the mental alterations is known. Just about all are fine with summary executions where that isn't possible, though the more technically savvy ones prefer live specimens. Earth standard prisoner of war rules aren't followed by anyone… Or perhaps I should say Earth's official prisoner of war rules. I don't think I'd have to look all that hard into the war with the Sheeda -or any other war- to find examples of prisoners being killed out of hand because it wasn't practical to do anything else.
But I don't think we're quite there-.
I glance at Thaddeus.
But I don't think I'm quite there yet.
"Put them in suspended animation and prepare for the next batch. We can study them more once we're out of hostile territory."
Lantern Natu nods.
"Illustres, I've found something curious." Lantern Threllian creates a construct image of a ship. "The fleet has purged records of its point of origin, but they were visited by this. They were in the process of installing something when you destroyed them."
I frown.
"That's the Free Lancers' ship. What were they doing here?"
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