EternitynChaos
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Okay.EternitynChaos said:
My advice, after reading the White Treatise, is that they are more powerful as Exalted Sorcery. DxD Magic can cause more damage, but they have more different effects that what DxD make possible (such as impossible to dodge, impossible to block and ignoring armor). They just cost less as an Exalted Sorcery.Thunder Wolf's Howl
Cost: 10m
Target: An area 20 yards across , within 100 yards of the sorcerer.
The Titan's Icy Breath
Cost:10m
Target:Area
Unstoppable Fountain of the Depths
Cost:20m
Target:Area
megris, have you read the series? Or what was said in the conversation?megrisvernin said:I'm guessing that Azazel spoke to Sirzechs-sama on the phone. Their conversation did sound more like that of two peers in retrospect. It's interesting to recall in the conversation that he said ""So, can you do something about it? If you authorize it everything should be fine, right?"
BFldyq said:megris, have you read the series? Or what was said in the conversation?
1) The Devils don't particularly like the Heavenly Dragons, but not to that extent.
2) That "valuable concession" was advise to help beat a video game level.
3) What? My brain breaks trying to follow your logic.
4) The Gremory's are less concerned about their standing, as they are concerned about going extinct as one of the 72 Pillar's.
From what I gather, they don't like them, but it's not really a big deal unless the current wielder(s) are opposing them. Otherwise, they'll just ignore them, or make them an ally.megrisvernin said:Your first point is your best one. I don't know how the Devil Factions perceive the Heavenly Dragons.
That makes sense, but your post made it seem like you believed that Sirzech wrung out a proper concession out of Azazel.megrisvernin said:What's important is not what Rias's brother actually got something from the exchange, but the perception he did. All that has to happen is for the Elder Devils & conservative faction(informally of course) to learn is that he granted Azazel a minor boon in return for a something.
Like I said, they're worried about going extinct, or losing their status as one of the 72 Pillars. The requirement of remaining part of the 72 Pillars being they must still be pureblood Devils, or at least the main household.megrisvernin said:I think you're right about Rias & & her brother about them being less concerned with standing. I'm less convinced her parents weren't a bit worried. There really isn't any good reason I've heard for her parents to have insisted on her marriage to Raiser unless they were concerned on some level she would have difficulty eventually wielding her family's authority.
That's actually brought up in the series itself.megrisvernin said:Also its entirely possible to be pro-immigrant, but be concerned about cultural loss. Worried that newcomers won't adopt the cultural attitudes you value.
Is that last part referring to her peerage? Because having a peerage formed entirely out of non-Devils isn't exactly uncommon.megrisvernin said:After all, even if they agree with her all it takes is enough of her peers who think her attitude is wrong to cause problems. Rias was pretty overt in her opinions, leaving the Devil Realm to go to the human realm has exclusively only those not originally devils.
BFldyq said:From what I gather, they don't like them, but it's not really a big deal unless the current wielder(s) are opposing them. Otherwise, they'll just ignore them, or make them an ally.
BFldyq said:That makes sense, but your post made it seem like you believed that Sirzech wrung out a proper concession out of Azazel.
BFldyq said:Oh no. Again I think he was the person Azazel was speaking too.
Like I said, they're worried about going extinct, or losing their status as one of the 72 Pillars. The requirement of remaining part of the 72 Pillars being they must still be pureblood Devils, or at least the main household.
This is one part a cultural status thing, one part Devil nature, and one part paranoia. The highest classes of Devils are dominated by purebloods, you see, and there's a significant assumption that mixed, lower and reincarnated Devils are "inferior" to them. If there's no more pure-blood heirs for Gremory, the House loses it's status. However, while Sirzech gave up the Gremory name, his son is still considered a member, as will any future children. And as Sirzech's wife is pureblooded, that means they have 2 sources of future heirs(the current head, and Sirzech).
This is where the second part comes in. Devils are by nature greedy, and that's what's got the best of Rias's father. He already has 1 "spare", and more is easily possible, but his instincts are crying out "MORE!" when it comes to anything valuable. As heirs are valuable, he, on a level, wants as many as possible. Or put another way, he wants lots of grandkids. This isn't helped by the fact that the Phenex clan is rich and influential, so his hindbrain is just going "MINE!" and making him try and get it.
And the last part, paranoia, is due to having lived through the Great War. Having seen the number of Devils drop so drastically, and so many Houses become extinct, he's naturally uncomfortable with how small the Gremory's have become. Including his parents, his wife, his daughter(Rias) and grandsom(Millicas), the Gremory's only have 6 actual members. And while it's peace time, there's even skirmishes and accident(genuine or otherwise), he's on edge of having so few members.
That's actually brought up in the series itself.
BFldyq said:Is that last part referring to her peerage? Because having a peerage formed entirely out of non-Devils isn't exactly uncommon.
megrisvernin said:
Alexander said:Okay.
Brandark, before you asked me an opinion about converting those Sorcery Spells to DxD system:My advice, after reading the White Treatise, is that they are more powerful as Exalted Sorcery. DxD Magic can cause more damage, but they have more different effects that what DxD make possible (such as impossible to dodge, impossible to block and ignoring armor). They just cost less as an Exalted Sorcery.
EternitynChaos said:its actually fairly common, its one of the main reasons the Evil Piece system was created after all.
And Rias and Raiser were engaged a while ago I believe, she just wants nothing to do with him, or the engagement.
Brandark said:I am impressed with the amount of thought and time you've put into this. But while you raised some good questions, I don't agree with a few things you've said. I will address them here.
1)The training he arranged with Azazel has more than a few reasons behind it. First, let's talk about how the underworld perceives the Sekiryuutei. A lot of hatred is there, but eclipsing the hatred is their fear.They are scared shitless of the Two Heavenly Dragon, and with good reason. In canon, this fear was diluted a lot because of how Issei acted, his relatively weak power level at the beginning, and his lowly and controllable status as a pawn.
By assigning us to train with Azazel, he is assessing our power,behaviour etc. to get a solid understanding of us and what our pact with the Gremory means for the underworld. This may also help him to figure where to factor us in his plans for Raiser and Rias.
2) As BFldyq said , the valuable concession was help with a video game level. In reality, he is promoting good will between the factions. We can consider this as a glimpse of the efforts of various leaders of the Three Factions that led to peace in the conference. It's not like they decided to have peace on a whim. Thousands of small and big things like this lead to the peace decision.
3)I think you are putting too much emphasis on the devil society's perception of Rias. The only people who would care about her actions would be the Gremory and Phenex clan. Rias is the Gremory heir, true, but she is quite young and her parents are capable enough to lead their house for quite a while yet. And since the Maou title is not inherited, the relatives of a Maou do not gain any boosted social standing officially. Add to that the fact that Maou's have to renounce their family after their ascension. And lastly , neither Sirzechs nor Rias care much about strictly adhering to customs and rules.
4)I don't think Sirzechs' line of thought would be so cold. What he is trying to do is give Rias more credibility in both the Gremory and Phenex clans' eyes by giving her tasks by accomplishing which Rias can show of her achievements. He is trying to give her more ground to argue against the marriage. And if Raiser manages to look like an ass for trying to force the issue, so much the better. The last thing he needs is champion for Rias' cause in case Raiser drags things to a challenge or a fight. Hence our involvement. He is testing us to see whether we suit this purpose and have the necessary strength to accomplish it.
If you think Exalted Sorcery is better for these, sure, let's go with that. I just thought that these spells looked impressive and wanted an expert opinion on how they will suit Issei best with the different systems. Thanks for clarifying.
Depends. Is she happy, and the partner strong? Would probably accept, but be sad at the lost opportunity. Is she happy, and the partner weak? Probably have it arranged for him to be kept as a partner "on the side", as it were.*megrisvernin said:Hmm interesting. So would Rias's father care so much so much about Rias's partner blood status? If let's say Rias had started a relationship with Issei before the engagement with Riaser was set(I realize it may have occured before Issei became a devil but I'm asking hypothetically someone with Issei's characteristics) & it looked like children were likely would he have objected?
You didn't. This is both telling her about them and fixing a date to introduce them.megrisvernin said:On a side note when did we mention Yang & Ruby to Rias? I don't remember in story when we did it.
There was that bit a while ago where our example of training really hard has been egging on Rias's peerage into trying to keep up with us. Koneko is investigating formal martial arts training, Akeno is branching out to cover all the queen's strengths rather than just the magical ones, and Kiba is using Unlimited Blade Works as inspiration for new tricks. Most noteworthy among those changes is that Koneko seemed to consider trying to tap her senjutsu before she settled on martial arts.megrisvernin said:So I have a question. Outside of Issei are there any noticeable changes in characters behavior versus their canon selves? Is Asia more outgoing having not been murdered? Is Aika a bit more adjusted having a friend with benefits? What about the two other members of the idiot trio? Were they as insisting on Issei to help give them dates as this point?
Are there any characters off-screen who you think are doing better but we don't see?
megrisvernin said:So I have a question. Outside of Issei are there any noticeable changes in characters behavior versus their canon selves? Is Asia more outgoing having not been murdered? Is Aika a bit more adjusted having a friend with benefits? What about the two other members of the idiot trio? Were they as insisting on Issei to help give them dates as this point?
Are there any characters off-screen who you think are doing better but we don't see?
I am waiting until there is a noticeable increase. One of the next updates will cover that.Smuthunter said:There was that bit a while ago where our example of training really hard has been egging on Rias's peerage into trying to keep up with us. Koneko is investigating formal martial arts training, Akeno is branching out to cover all the queen's strengths rather than just the magical ones, and Kiba is using Unlimited Blade Works as inspiration for new tricks. Most noteworthy among those changes is that Koneko seemed to consider trying to tap her senjutsu before she settled on martial arts.
Speaking of which... Alex, how is the training with the rest of the harem proceeding? We haven't seen any stat boosts for Ruby or Mittelt or anyone since we set up the training schedule.
Remember, this doesn't necessarily need to end in a fight. The mooks we fought before were acting against their boss's orders, so let's wait and see if he's a reasonable sort before we charge in guns blazing. The "noble yakuza" character isn't just a thing in the movies.Mu-Sensei said:[X] Have Eiko investigate first.
- [X] From the air, no one suspects the birds.
-- [X] Once you have their position, gather your own gang and show them who's the boss!
Because there's no kill like overkill, and who knows, Rias can even get a couple more talented pawns.
Tomorrow. I have an assignment to do now.EternitynChaos said:as an aside, next part later today, or tomorrow? *figure It couldn't hurt to ask, rather then spend the next 6 hours refreshing in empty hope only to fall asleep in my chair... again.
Smuthunter said:
I've never heard of whatever series this guy is from, so I know about as much about him as Issei does.EternitynChaos said:Coolies, I, and I'm sure everyone else will be looking forward to it.
And good luck with your assignment.
Also, Berserker, Aka Snake, Not fight... right, and Happosai will become a chaste monk preaching chastity and temperance while Tendo Akane starts a Free Love movement in between teaching anger management classes.
Berserker is from History's Strongest Disciple of Kenichi. He's a street fighter to the core, and pretty high level without any formal training. He becomes a friendly rival of sort with the MC later, with emphasis on the rival part. As you can probably guess, with an epithet like Berserker, this man is not an advocate of non-violence and world peace.Smuthunter said:I've never heard of whatever series this guy is from, so I know about as much about him as Issei does.