With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

Darko · Dec 16, 2020

Ngamer11 said:
Assuming they start recruiting people who are actually compassionate instead of people who have none at all.

Well Kyle Rayner, and I think John Stewart, were recruited to join them, so it may happen here.

Agent Orange · Dec 16, 2020

Soul Shocker said:
Hmm, Anti-Red ring?

Ok, how did you get the 'anti-' part from that sentence?

Soul Shocker said:
How would that work?

Not very well. Anti-Red rings can detect any angry person within sector-sized volume and ring blasts calm them down by default. You have to do a lot of mental gymnastics to actually use them since it has a very low anger threshold and automatically blasts the user when they cross it. They... weren't very popular to say the least.

Darko said:
Well Kyle Rayner, and I think John Stewart, were recruited to join them, so it may happen here.

Anything may happen here if you take popular Lantern characters as standard Lanterns. They keep jumping teams so often that it makes distinct lights pointless. They aren't the most Stubborn/Angry/Compassionate people in the Sector, they are simply individuals with the greatest potential to use the Glow. At least that how I like to square that circle.

Steelplaza · Dec 16, 2020

Another conversation about Jade getting superpowers.

I wonder if the twist will be that she eventually manages to get her hands on a damaged Reach scarab and becomes this universe's version of Blue Beetle. Or maybe the Reach implants her with a scarab to use her against the SI, and he has to free her from its control, or something like that. I'm just feeling like with Jade one of the most prominent characters on the front lines of the Reach stuff, her becoming a "Beetle" feels thematically appropriate if she does end up getting super powers.

l---erddad---l · Dec 16, 2020

Vaermina said:
That is not a healthy relationship...

I have a genuine question which will sound like sarcasm, like I'm taking a dig at you, but I'm being 100% sincere and serious.

Can you name a single aspect of With This Ring you wholeheartedly enjoy? It seems like you just straight up hate this story, and I wonder why you continue reading if you do.

rdfox · Dec 16, 2020

Mr Zoat said:
"The Illustres wants her protected pending deportation. Make sure that nothing unfortunate happens to her."

You know, I see this line, and all I can think of is my single favorite Bond villain line ever:

"Mister Bond is leaving..."

(The picture has nothing to do with the audio.)

Darko · Dec 16, 2020

rdfox said:
(The picture has nothing to do with the audio.)

But somehow it just makes it better.

Coda · Dec 16, 2020

Darko said:
Really hope you do give her one in the future.

Gee, with a comment like that you might attract a blue ring of your own.

nick012000 said:
I sort of wonder how much more powerful an Indigo Lantern who wasn't naturally a psychopath would be, when compared to all the other Indigo Lanterns. It's like deliberately recruiting weak-willed pushovers for the Green Lanterns.

Traditional Indigo is probably better compared to Anti-Green than Green in that regard. Indigo doesn't overclock to the same extent as Anti-Green, so it's not lethal, but the side effects on the user are a feature for the Indigo Tribe.

That said, apparently Stewart was able to use an Indigo ring using his own compassion instead of being brainwashed. It took him some time before he was able to pull it off effectively, but by the end of his time wielding it he was able to use its ability to manipulate the other colors, which I assume isn't trivial.

Agent Orange said:
Ok, how did you get the 'anti-' part from that sentence?

Probably misinterpreting "inversions" as meaning "reversed" instead of being the name of a group.

Darko · Dec 16, 2020

Coda said:
Gee, with a comment like that you might attract a blue ring of your own.

Thank you!

But seriously I really hope she gets one.

She deserves it and it will greatly help her out.

Coda said:
Traditional Indigo is probably better compared to Anti-Green than Green in that regard. Indigo doesn't overclock to the same extent as Anti-Green, so it's not lethal, but the side effects on the user are a feature for the Indigo Tribe.

That said, apparently Stewart was able to use an Indigo ring using his own compassion instead of being brainwashed. It took him some time before he was able to pull it off effectively, but by the end of his time wielding it he was able to use its ability to manipulate the other colors, which I assume isn't trivial.

Don't forget Kyle.

Coda · Dec 16, 2020

Darko said:
Don't forget Kyle.

I didn't forget Kyle, I think he's just not a good example. He never demonstrated any particular ability with Indigo beyond his Chosen One levels of "I can do everything".

Vaermina · Dec 16, 2020

l---erddad---l said:
I have a genuine question which will sound like sarcasm, like I'm taking a dig at you, but I'm being 100% sincere and serious.

Can you name a single aspect of With This Ring you wholeheartedly enjoy? It seems like you just straight up hate this story, and I wonder why you continue reading if you do.

Most of the side stories are still good, and Paragon itself is still interesting to read in a technical sense since the story itself peaked awhile ago.

That said, being critical of specific things in a story doesn't mean you hate it, it means you are critical of those specific things.

Bramble Thorn · Dec 17, 2020

jonasquinn said:
I mean assuming that the Reach have fire and forget planet killers you'd be right

But that's also assuming that the Reach go against every single thing we know about them and destroy a potentially extremely useful planet and restart the war with the Green Lantern Corps on top of the one they're already fighting all because a single person they're fighting happens to come from there

And also that this is the most personally powerful Orange Lantern, and 2nd in command of the OLC, who is casually dropping factiods about his homeworld into the conversation. A conclusion that he is not overly worried about his homeworld suffering Reach reprisals for one reason or another, and may in fact be trying to schmuck bait you into attacking a well defended location well beyond your usual supply chains and area of control, someplace that has been previously prepared against the Reach specifically.

Maxx Crowley · Dec 17, 2020

Every Jade/Paul interaction always seems weird to me.

It always feels like OL is navigating this really weird minefield with her and I don't know why. Like, none of the other girls give off that vibe. Not even the literal goddess of Nightmares.

l---erddad---l said:
Can you name a single aspect of With This Ring you wholeheartedly enjoy? It seems like you just straight up hate this story, and I wonder why you continue reading if you do.

It's like...I blocked Vaermina after his goal-post moving shit where he asked for panels, I gave them, and he still tried to "Nuh uh" it.

Even with that, I knew who this was for instantly.

So I'll say...No, Vaermina takes issue with literally everything. Claiming over and over things are now going to happen, that of course, never happen.

Like "Good Job OL, you did a THING. You fucking moron. Don't you know what happens when you do a THING? STUFF HAPPENS!"

Part of me thinks Zoat takes joy in that. He should.

Doccer · Dec 17, 2020

Mr Zoat said:
Mom's from Vietnam, not Japan."

"The Zamarons aren't prejudiced. And you've got no idea how smug I'd feel if you started making constructs powered by your love for me."

I don't get what nationality has to do with rings.
Otherwise: Mr Zoat. Would Paul become smug enough to create a new Lantern corps of The Lanterns of Smugness? Just one Lantern at the very least?

Darko · Dec 17, 2020

Doccer said:
I don't get what nationality has to do with rings.

It was a joke about the whole trope in anime of girls receiving powerful magical devices that are powered by love.

Darko said:
Is this because the whole anime thing with the power of love and girls getting magic objects that run off of the power of love?

Mr Zoat said:
Yes.

Coda · Dec 17, 2020

Maxx Crowley said:
It always feels like OL is navigating this really weird minefield with her and I don't know why. Like, none of the other girls give off that vibe. Not even the literal goddess of Nightmares.

I think it's because he actually cares enough about the relationship to want to not screw it up, so he's extra careful. And since he knows so much about her, he knows a lot of potential issues he might encounter, so he's heading those off before they have a chance to blow up on him.

It feels pretty relatable to me. My wife has depression and its corresponding self-esteem issues. I love her dearly, more than anything else, but I also know about her history before she met me and about her insecurities. It doesn't take a whole lot of provocation for her to feel inferior and unworthy. Our strengths are in different areas, so her comparing herself to me on things I'm good at can trigger it. Trying to tell her she's not bad at stuff doesn't help, because when she has a depressive episode she sees any evidence that would refute her unworthiness as unimportant and insufficient.

But what is meaningful is that I love her no matter how she feels about herself. That I didn't marry her just because she could live up to any specific set of qualifications. That she's valuable and meaningful to me for who she is, not for anything that she might struggle with when depression has her feeling helpless.

So yeah, OL's behavior here matches what I would expect for his circumstances.

Mr Zoat · Dec 17, 2020

3rd July 2012
20:13 GMT -7

"…seemed to get on well."

Luna nods thoughtfully as we trot through the Canterlot palace.

"We did not get much of a chance to speak with Circe prior to Sunset's ascension. It is… When We first spoke with our sister 'pon our return to Equestria, We were… Struck, by how she had changed. Though her outward aspect was as it had been when We.. left, her manner of speech-."

"You-."

"Not merely the words. Much as We might like if it the lexicon of ponykind had remained unchanged, We did not expect such stasis. E'en in Our youth, the manner of speech of the tribes varied greatly. An aristocrat from Unicornia might struggle to understand or be understood by a farmer from Puddingville."

It's the way she says those names with a straight face.

"Nay, it is the way she spoke, not the words she used. After a thousand years of life, t'was not merely the words which had changed. She is a very different pony. Yet, at times, she is not. When We speak of our youths together 'tis as if no time has passed at all, yet when I speak with her on some point of history she grows… Almost… Vacant, for a moment."

"It's probably not that easy to remember a whole era without a reference."

"She does something similar when We ask about a point of law or legal custom. No doubt she is casting her mind back to the situation which led to it arising, but it is… Strange to see. A face so familiar briefly becoming so unfamiliar."

We pause on a cobbled veranda, looking out across the artfully arranged flowerbeds. It took the gardeners a little while to get it back under control after Sunset's floramancy test, but they've done sterling work.

"I suppose we've both got that to look forward to." I shrug, and I actually manage it without flipping myself over. "I could ask Hippolyta if Circe does something like that, but they're both roughly the same age so I'm not sure if she'd notice."

"It did not occur to either of us to ask Starswirl if becoming… We did not say 'alicorn'. That word meant something different in those days."

"What did you call… What you are?"

"Starswirl described what we would become to us as 'winged unicorns'."

I frown. "So were you not meant to have Earth Pony attributes?"

"No, t'was always the aim to grant us the magics of all three tribes. Rockhoof did query the name at the time. Starswirl stated that he chose it because the wings and horn would be the most outwardly visible sign of our change."

"Aside from being more than twice the size of a normal pony."

Luna smiles. "From what We remember of his expression, We do not think that he entirely anticipated that aspect of our metamorphosis."

I raise my eyebrows. "Sunset was right about him not knowing what he was doing?"

"We would not put it quite that way. He knew that combining the magics of the three tribes in a single individual would produce a change, and the fact that we survived indicates that he…"

She stares impassively at my face.

"You are wondering how many times he attempted it before us."

"Little bit."

"You have a most suspicious mind."

"I-." … "Yeah, maybe. I'm not trying to say that he was just.. transforming you to show that he could or anything, but Sunset was pretty clear what could go wrong if the caster misjudged things. If he couldn't be certain exactly what would happen, a certain amount of trial and error might have been necessary."

"It could." We both turn -Luna with more grace than I- as Celestia emerges from behind a tall bush. "But we lived in an isolated manor near a small village. If anypony had gone missing, we wouldn't have missed the hue and cry."

I raise my eyebrows. "'Hue and cry'?"

Celestia bows her head slightly. "Luna's way of speaking is rubbing off on me. It did use to be mine as well."

"Sister." Luna walks over to nuzzle her. "How fare you this eve?"

"I am…" She sighs. "Sunset has been spending time with Twilight."

"Yes?" I shrug again. "She sees Twilight as a kindred spirit and fellow magic talent. She doesn't let the fact that Twilight's your student get in the way, and… Twilight doesn't let the fact that Sunset works for me get in the way."

"Generous of her."

"Either the law applies to everyone or there isn't a law, just degrees of privilege." I frown. "Where did Spike's egg come from?"

Luna wing-prods me and I look away.

"Question withdrawn."

Celestia smiles at her sister. "Did you have a good time?"

"We met many interesting humans, and together we valiantly 'muddled through' the pedagogical parts of the event. We found considerable relief in seeing such experts as out of their depths as We often are, and think that We would like to attend future such events."

"I'm glad. And you, Grayven?"

"Sunset's kept me up to date as she goes, and since I don't really use magic in the way Luna does it doesn't have the same impact for me."

"Have you enjoyed your time in Equestria?"

"Yah. Just the rest-cure I needed. And from what I've been picking up, Artemis feels the same way."

"I'd glad that you feel that way. I.. have a request to make. I-."

"Sorry, but I'm a one-mare stallion."

"That-."

"Though one of my brothers is single. Ah. We've been out of touch-."

Her head rises and her eyes narrow. "It was you! You're the reason why my guards think that Twilight and I-. Luna, stop laughing!"

Luna's mouth twitches spasmodically and she bangs her right forehoof on the cobbles in an attempt to bring herself back under control.

"We-. We are sorry. We are sorry." Luna waves her right forehoof. "Pray, continue."

Celestia takes a deep and calming breath. "I would like to try to reconcile with Sunset Shimmer once again. Since you-" I wince. "-are on good terms with her… Is there a problem?"

"Your last meeting with her ending with her storming off wasn't enough of a clue?"

"Sunset storming off was how a great many of our conversations ended before her… Time away. She always came to her senses-."

"You mean 'acquiesced'. Look, I can accept that you genuinely care about her wellbeing and are just really bad at showing it, but… Do you genuinely not understand what she's angry about? The way you refused to either teach her or directly tell her that you weren't going to teach her? The way you concealed information and then acted like she was in the wrong when the whole reason she became your student was to learn magic from you? Am I getting through? Or has the millennia-long obsequiousness of an entire country reduced you to the point where you can no longer understand that you can be wrong?"

Celestia regards me levelly. "If you do not wish to help-."

"I want to help her, and I'm not going to talk her into talking to you again if it's just going to end up the same way it did last time, with her curled up under my wing and crying because you can't get your head around the idea that your living plush toy has thoughts and feelings of its own!"

Celestia sits, eyes wide.

"Yeah." I look away. "I'll mention it. And when this blows up in your face, maybe she'll do what I suggested and forget that you exist."

Celestia's lips tremble, then she clambers to her hooves and turns to leave.

…

"Though if you want my advice on an approach…" Celestia stops. "Don't talk about the past at all. Just do what she wanted from the start: teach her an actual magic lesson. Something she can't learn from anywhere else. I suggest teaching her how to control the sun, since my understanding is that you're the only pony who can do that. And think about what she's already told you."

Darko · Dec 17, 2020

Mr Zoat said:
It did used to be mine as well."

'did use to' or just remove 'did'

Mr Zoat said:
considerable relief is seeing such experts

'in seeing'

Mr Zoat said:
attend future such events."

maybe 'such future'

Mr Zoat said:
"Though one of my brothers is single. Ah. We've been out of touch-."

Oh I bet she and he would just get along swimmingly.

That was sarcasm.

Mr Zoat said:
and on good terms with her…

'are on good'

What's the next episode called?

Handlewithcare · Dec 17, 2020

Huh. I just realised that being Co-Ruler of an entire world for several centuries makes Grayven and Artemis equivalent to Luna and Celestia.

And since Artemis is named after a moon goddess that clearly means Grayven = Celestia. QED.

Mr Zoat · Dec 17, 2020

Darko said:
'did use to' or just remove 'did'
'in seeing'
'are on good'

Thank you, corrected.

maybe 'such future'

No, that's correct.

What's the next episode called?

At the moment it's called 'Back Seat'.

Idkusername · Dec 17, 2020

Yeah, I can tell you that having an authority figure like how Celestia is portrayed here is not fun.

Darko · Dec 17, 2020

Handlewithcare said:
Huh. I just realised that being Co-Ruler of an entire world for several centuries makes Grayven and Artemis equivalent to Luna and Celestia.

And since Artemis is named after a moon goddess that clearly means Grayven = Celestia. QED.

Renegade really has the weirdest relationships with sisters, doesn't he.

Chojin Patriarch · Dec 17, 2020

Woof, my internet's finally finished it's yoyo impression...

Mr Zoat said:
3rd July 2012
20:13 GMT -7

"…seemed to get on well."

Luna nods thoughtfully as we trot through the Canterlot palace.

Now, are they talking about Pinkie and Artemis, or someone else, given the topics of previous 'Renegade' segments.

"We did not get much of a chance to speak with Circe prior to Sunset's ascension. It is… When We first spoke with our sister 'pon our return to Equestria, We were… Struck, by how she had changed. Though her outward aspect was as it had been when We.. left, her manner of speech-."

"You-."

Ah, I see, she's been visiting with some of Grayven's more long-lived associates. And I can see the issues in communication are still there for Luna...

"Not merely the words. Much as We might like if it the lexicon of ponykind had remained unchanged, We did not expect such stasis. E'en in Our youth, the manner of speech of the tribes varied greatly. An aristocrat from Unicornia might struggle to understand or be understood by a farmer from Puddingville."

It's the way she say those names with a straight face.

If it sounds unlikely, consider the shift in language between, say, Shakespearean English and modern. Not jsut the spelling of words, either. the very idioms the language is built on will shift over that time. For instance: 'Get thee to a nunnery' is basically the same as saying today :'You need to get laid!'

"Nay, it is the way she spoke, not the words she used. After a thousand years of life, t'was not merely the words which had changed. She is a very different pony. Yet, at times, she is not. When We speak of our youths together 'tis as if no time has passed at all, yet when I speak with her on some point of history she grows… Almost… Vacant, for a moment."

"It's probably not that easy to remember a whole era without a reference."

Can you imagine trying to remember something that happened ten years ago? Not a significant thing, just some day-to-day occurrence. Now imagine the challenge of sifting through a century's worth of memories. A thousand? Ever heard of the trope called 'Time Abyss'?

Yeah.

"She does something similar when We ask about a point of law or legal custom. No doubt she is casting her mind back to the situation which led to it arising, but it is… Strange to see. A face so familiar briefly becoming so unfamiliar."

We pause on a cobbled veranda, looking out across the artfully arranged flowerbeds. It took the gardeners a little while to get it back under control after Sunset's floramancy test, but they've done sterling work.

Hmm... Sounds like Sunset's been investigating the limits of Earth Pony magical forms...

"I suppose we've both got that to look forward to." I shrug, and I actually manage it without flipping myself over. "I could ask Hippolyta if Circe does something like that, but they're both roughly the same age so I'm not sure if she'd notice."

"It did not occur to either of us to ask Starswirl if becoming… We did not say 'alicorn'. That word meant something different in those days."

Probably something closer to Nightmare Moon, eh? A monster to be feared, the existence of which has been forgotten in this era?

"What did you call… What you are?"

"Starswirl described what we would become to us as 'winged unicorns'."

Nice shout-out to the fandom's arguments before 'Magical Mystery Cure'...

I frown. "So were you not meant to have Earth Pony attributes?"

"No, t'was always the aim to grant us the magics of all three tribes. Rockhoof did query the name at the time. Starswirl stated that he chose it because the wings and horn would be the most outwardly visible sign of our change."

Heh. I suppose it would be kind of obvious.

"Aside from being more than twice the size of a normal pony."

Luna smiles. "From what We remember of his expression, We do not think that he entirely anticipated that aspect of our metamorphosis."

You're only going to pack so much magical energy into a certain-sized pony, after all... Even Twilight was larger when she was freshly ascended...

I raise my eyebrows. "Sunset was right about him not knowing what he was doing?"

"We would not put it quite that way. He knew that combining the magics of the three tribes in a single individual would produce a change, and the fact that we survived indicates that he…"

...But was that the first attempt at the spell? Would he have risked something untested on you two? ...Then again, he left a half-finished spell to switch Cutie Marks in his journals...

She stares impassively at my face.

"You are wondering how many times he attempted it before us."

And what happened to those previous subjects? The normal mind shudders at the prospect... "What we got back... Didn't live long."

"Little bit."

"You have a most suspicious mind."

Eh, it's not really paranoia if someone's out to get you, after all...

"I-." … "Yeah, maybe. I'm not trying to say that he was just.. transforming you to show that he could or anything, but Sunset was pretty clear what could go wrong if the caster misjudged things. If he couldn't be certain exactly what would happen, a certain amount of trial and error might have been necessary."

"It could." We both turn -Luna with more grace than I- as Celestia emerges from behind a tall bush. "But we lived in an isolated manor near a small village. If anypony had gone missing, we wouldn't have missed the hue and cry."

Who says Starswirl didn't do his work somewhere further away? Some Unicorns can teleport...

I raise my eyebrows. "'Hue and cry'?"

Celestia bows her head slightly. "Luna's way of speaking is rubbing off on me. It did use to be mine as well."

She's probably enjoying using her old slang again. Troll a few nobles with confusing lingo... Maybe bring something back into fashion, even.

"Sister." Luna walks over to nuzzle her. "How fare you this eve?"

"I am…" She sighs. "Sunset has been spending time with Twilight."

I was wondering what the distant explosions were... Seriously, those two working together sounds as.. volatile as... Uh... Huh, I got nothing.

"Yes?" I shrug again. "She sees Twilight as a kindred spirit and fellow magic talent. She doesn't let the fact that Twilight's your student get in the way, and… Twilight doesn't let the fact that Sunset works for me get in the way."

"Generous of her."

I mean, does Twilight have any real reason to distrust you? ...Besides the whole accidental kidnapping and transmogrification bit...

"Either the law applies to everyone or there isn't a law, just degrees of privilege." I frown. "Where did Spike's egg come from?"

Luna wing-prods me and I look away.

Tender subject, eh?

"Question withdrawn."

Celestia smiles at her sister. "Did you have a good time?"

Ah, changing the subject. A clever use of social-fu...

"We met many interesting humans, and together we valiantly 'muddled through' the pedagogical parts of the event. We found considerable relief in seeing such experts as out of their depths as We often are, and think that We would like to attend future such events."

"I'm glad. And you, Grayven?"

Looks like Circe's arranging for quite the magical new stage in humanity's future...

"Sunset's kept me up to date as she goes, and since I don't really use magic in the way Luna does it doesn't have the same impact for me."

"Have you enjoyed your time in Equestria?"

I mean, after getting slammed by the Elements like he did, I can see Celestia being at least a little nervous... She can probably pick up on his Godly nature, after all...

"Yah. Just the rest-cure I needed. And from what I've been picking up, Artemis feels the same way."

"I'd glad that you feel that way. I.. have a request to make. I-."

Good to hear Artemis is feeling better. Probably not nearly as comfortable in her own world as she'd like to be, but getting there?

"Sorry, but I'm a one-mare stallion."

"That-."

Did she just throw a mental shoe? I mean, that's exactly the sort of thing I'd expect to derail her train of thought...

"Though one of my brothers is single. Ah. We've been out of touch-."

Her head rises and her eyes narrow. "It was you! You're the reason why my guards think that Twilight and I-. Luna, stop laughing!"

So, how long has that little rumour been circulating by this point? Weeks? She is never getting rid of that...

Luna's mouth twitches spasmodically and she bangs her right forehoof on the cobbles in an attempt to bring herself back under control.

"We-. We are sorry. We are sorry." Luna waves her right forehoof. "Pray, continue."

Heh, the pony equivalent of biting her knuckle, eh? If only cackling like a madwoman weren't so.. undignified.

Celestia takes a deep and calming breath. "I would like to try to reconcile with Sunset Shimmer once again. Since you-" I wince. "-are on good terms with her… Is there a problem?"

"Your last meeting with her ending with her storming off wasn't enough of a clue?"

I'm sure it felt very familiar to her.

"Sunset storming off was how a great many of our conversations ended before her… Time away. She always came to her senses-."

Heh, thought so.

"You mean 'acquiesced'. Look, I can accept that you genuinely care about her wellbeing and are just really bad at showing it, but… Do you genuinely not understand what she's angry about? The way you refused to either teach her or directly tell her that you weren't going to teach her? The way you concealed information and then acted like she was in the wrong when the whole reason she became your student was to learn magic from you? Am I getting through? Or has the millennia-long obsequiousness of an entire country reduced you to the point where you can no longer understand that you can be wrong?"

Yeah, I can see where he's coming from.

Celestia regards me levelly. "If you do not wish to help-."

"I want to help her, and I'm not going to talk her into talking to you again if it's just going to end up the same way it did last time, with her curled up under my wing and crying because you can't get your head around the idea that your living plush toy has thoughts and feelings of its own!"

Yeah, Celestia didn't know about that, did she? Have to wonder how many times Sunset was left crying alone back then...

Celestia sits, eyes wide.

"Yeah." I look away. "I'll mention it. And when this blows up in your face, maybe she'll do what I suggested and forget that you exist."

Honestly, I'm not sure whether that'd be better for them or not. Those feelings will sit simmering deep inside... Better to get them out now before the pressure rises too high...

Celestia's lips tremble, then she clambers to her hooves and turns to leave.

…

Now, what would be an appropriate audio sting for that interrupt? You know, the same way ME2 and 3 had the paragon and Renegade sounds when you hit that mouse button/controller trigger?

"Though if you want my advice on an approach…" Celestia stops. "Don't talk about the past at all. Just do what she wanted from the start: teach her an actual magic lesson. Something she can't learn from anywhere else. I suggest teaching her how to control the sun, since my understanding is that you're the only pony who can do that. And think about what she's already told you."

After all, Sun-butt... You're not planning on managing the Sun all your life, are you? You did want to retire someday? And what better way to show trust than to offer someone else the ability to do so?

Well, a little late. But I see Celestia's finally trying to make amends for his earlier mistakes. I suspect some would say it's about damn time... And it's a chance the canon Celestia and Sunset Shimmer never got (to my knowledge...)

...what could go wrong if the caster misjudged things.

Extra space.

Darko · Dec 17, 2020

Chojin Patriarch said:
...But was that the first attempt at the spell? Would he have risked something untested on you two? ...Then again, he left a half-finished spell to switch Cutie Marks in his journals...

Plus Discord was running rampant and they needed to stop him.

Chojin Patriarch said:
"What we got back... Didn't live long."

Or worse, it lived a long time, if you could call it living.

Chojin Patriarch said:
I mean, does Twilight have any real reason to distrust you? ...Besides the whole accidental kidnapping and transmogrification bit...

Well Renegade did hurt some of her friends and emotionally hurt her.

Mr Zoat · Dec 17, 2020

Chojin Patriarch said:
I mean, does Twilight have any real reason to distrust you? ...Besides the whole accidental kidnapping and transmogrification bit...

Nearly getting Rarity arrested and nearly costing her custody of Spike?

Extra space.

Thank you, corrected.

Hell's Razer · Dec 17, 2020

Chojin Patriarch said:
Can you imagine trying to remember something that happened ten years ago? Not a significant thing, just some day-to-day occurrence. Now imagine the challenge of sifting through a century's worth of memories. A thousand? Ever heard of the trope called 'Time Abyss'? Yeah.

Hell even if the memory is still there, given what we know of how human memory works in order to remember that might mean having to find the closest significant memory and go from there.
Kinda like searching for a specific part in a VCR tape. (Wow I just dated my self... and lost roughly half the site with that reference.)

moralrelativity · Dec 17, 2020

Mr Zoat said:
way she say those

say -> says

Coda · Dec 17, 2020

Mr Zoat said:
It did use to be mine as well.

Darko said:
'did use to' or just remove 'did'

While pedantically speaking you would be correct, "did used to" has been picking up acceptance in British English over the last couple of decades, and given the author's native dialect that might not actually be wrong anymore.

Mr Zoat · Dec 17, 2020

moralrelativity said:
say -> says

Thank you, corrected.

Stsword · Dec 17, 2020

Chojin Patriarch said:
Well, a little late. But I see Celestia's finally trying to make amends for his earlier mistakes. I suspect some would say it's about damn time... And it's a chance the canon Celestia and Sunset Shimmer never got (to my knowledge).

They got better.

Sunset actually evolved past the obsessive power fixation that literally demonized her in the first movie and they made amends after Sunset actually achieved the emotional maturity Celestia was hoping for her in the first place, shown in one of the later movies.

Unlike Renegade's Sunset, who as far as I can recall as done absolutely nothing to show she isn't one bad day from literal demonization.

Slayer Anderson · Dec 17, 2020

I see Sunset's parents are still fighting.

Hopefully, her mother will come to terms with why Sunset enjoys hanging out with her father more.

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