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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

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Doccer said:
As I recall everything she says about her people and Lantern Corp becomes true the moment she speaks it. She could claim a pogo stick race is the all time greatest and most celebrated sport on her planet and of her people and it would be completely true!
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Eh it's not that simple, at least from her perspective. Because the first time she says something of the sort and realized that her database instantly updated with info that matches she became VERY careful about what she said because she wasn't sure if she was just generating junk data in her ring, was creating an actual race out of nothing, or most terrifyingly if she was altering a race that already existed. The potential issue that she might possibly be altering an entire species made her very cautious about what she said and did.

And then the desert mission happened...
 
*Throwing in my two pence*
  1. Permission was not asked, and is the major sticking point.
  2. Whiteeyes mentioned that she would've said yes if asked.
  3. Zoat stayed loyal to what was written.
  4. Vanilla's responses to Paul were rather spot on to her character, IMO.
  5. Points 2, 3, and 4 do not necessarily outweigh point 1.
In my opinion an apology over it would be a simple courtesy, with mea culpas offered... as point 2 is rather ... eheh ... the point of the whole matter. Honestly, this back and forth is just seems unnecessary to me. I'd really hate for animosity to spark up between them over this.
 
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I...huh.

So a while ago I tried to figure out a "logic" of which emotion should correspond to which color, and I ended up coming to the conclusion that each emotion should represent a combination of the ones to either side of it. I used Zoat's idea of there being a "sane" version of Avarice as a jumping off point, and ended up having a range of emotions for each color. Paler shades would be more excited; darker shades would be more depressed. The middle shade would then be the "balanced" version of the emotion.

It seemed to work well: inflamed Avarice would be Fixation, but the balanced version would just be Drive; Anger would be the inflamed version of Passion; etc. This made sense to me, since then Zamaron Love would be a combination of Passion and Compassion; Passion would be a combination of Drive and Infatuation; Drive would be a combination of Vigilance (balanced Fear) and Passion; etc.

All this to say...I ended up with Teal as Joy. In between Will, which I rendered as Clarity (probably better as Purposefulness), and Happiness—which was in turn between Joy and Hope.

It's enough to make me feel like maybe I hit on something genuine. And, in turn, like DC's mapping of emotions to colors might be significantly less random than I'd presumed.

Pic, in case people are curious:
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IMHO, fanfic is fanfic. It doesn't matter if it's fanfic of a commercially published work, fanfic of self-published original fiction, or fanfic of a fanfic. The entire idea of fanfic is that it's transformative work that doesn't require the consent of the original author to be published.
 
nobodez said:
IMHO, fanfic is fanfic. It doesn't matter if it's fanfic of a commercially published work, fanfic of self-published original fiction, or fanfic of a fanfic. The entire idea of fanfic is that it's transformative work that doesn't require the consent of the original author to be published.
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Agreed, but even if consent isn't required, it can still be in bad taste.
 
Austin Pharos said:
Agreed, but even if consent isn't required, it can still be in bad taste.
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How many writers here have gone and asked the permission of DC, George Martin, Joanne Rowling, or others for permission to play with their stories and characters?

By that logic almost all fanfiction is in bad taste. Asking for special protections for derivitive fiction writers, more than the original fiction writers whose settings and characters we use as if we have any right to, is the height of hypocrisy. Let's just move on.
 
RichardWhereat said:
How many writers here have gone and asked the permission of DC, George Martin, Joanne Rowling, or others for permission to play with their stories and characters?

By that logic almost all fanfiction is in bad taste. Asking for special protections for derivitive fiction writers, more than the original fiction writers whose settings and characters we use as if we have any right to, is the height of hypocrisy. Let's just move on.
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It's equally legal but twice as dickish due to the broadly identical social circles of the authors. Most people don't ask J K Rowling (or whomever) for permission to use their stuff in fanfic because they don't have any way to actually get said permission, as well as a vast host of copyright issues that would arise if the said "yes". Not only does none of that apply to Whiteeyes, who posts here and is still accessible, she's still keen on seeing SI fic written.

Poor form, Mr. Zoat.
 
Austin Pharos said:
Agreed, but even if consent isn't required, it can still be in bad taste.
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Like how Weird Al always asks for permission to write his parodies even though he legally doesn't have to.

RichardWhereat said:
How many writers here have gone and asked the permission of DC, George Martin, Joanne Rowling, or others for permission to play with their stories and characters?

By that logic almost all fanfiction is in bad taste. Asking for special protections for derivitive fiction writers, more than the original fiction writers whose settings and characters we use as if we have any right to, is the height of hypocrisy. Let's just move on.
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It's the difference between stealing from a Walmart and stealing from a mom & pop shop. Also, how many of us are on this forum just because Zoat moved here? How many moved from SB to SV during that event? This is more like JK Rowling playing with a fanfic to write a new book without permission, which given the quality of Cursed Child is probably what happened.
 
Zig said:
Like how Weird Al always asks for permission to write his parodies even though he legally doesn't have to.


It's the difference between stealing from a Walmart and stealing from a mom & pop shop. Also, how many of us are on this forum just because Zoat moved here? How many moved from SB to SV during that event? This is more like JK Rowling playing with a fanfic to write a new book without permission, which given the quality of Cursed Child is probably what happened.
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Except neither of these are theft. Zoat isn't profiting off of it, and no profit is being lost by the use of these characters.

hkim said:
It's equally legal but twice as dickish due to the broadly identical social circles of the authors. Most people don't ask J K Rowling (or whomever) for permission to use their stuff in fanfic because they don't have any way to actually get said permission, as well as a vast host of copyright issues that would arise if the said "yes". Not only does none of that apply to Whiteeyes, who posts here and is still accessible, she's still keen on seeing SI fic written.

Poor form, Mr. Zoat.
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So instead of asking and being refused, they go ahead and do it anyways? Refusing to ask because you know they will say no is even more dickish.

I don't see any obligation to ask other people to use their characters. Not even for "good manners". If someone else uses your idea or character, take it as a compliment. Especially if that character is themself derivative of another character in a setting that is wholesale stolen from someone who actually legally owns it (DC). You don't get to complain about theft of IP when your story steals about 90% of it's characters from somewhere else.
 
Radix said:
I don't see any obligation to ask other people to use their characters. Not even for "good manners". If someone else uses your idea or character, take it as a compliment. Especially if that character is themself derivative of another character in a setting that is wholesale stolen from someone who actually legally owns it (DC). You don't get to complain about theft of IP when your story steals about 90% of it's characters from somewhere else.
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I think we may be at axiom lock here, would you agree?
 
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She shoots upwards at speed, heading in the direction of… Oh, that's not a good choice. That asteroid is mostly silica and ice. The only metal that's there in any significant quantity is copper, and while the price of copper is… Reasonable at the moment, that's still not a very time-economical target.
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Given what appears to be the inherent philosophical differences between a orange and teal lantern, my bet as to the asteroid's fate is that it will shortly become thousands of tasty asteroid snow cones, likely to be sold bulk for 20 bucks to an impoverished public school that is out on lunch break somewhere hot, or some equivalent.
 
Mr Zoat said:
That whole concept sounds newer than the stuff I usual draw upon.
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Crisis of Infinite Earths, Each universe has a Monitor and the anti matter universe has the Antimonitor. The Monitors doing NOTHING to prevent travel to other universes is what caused the crisis. Basically Antimonitor became aware that positive matter universes exist and decided to destroy them. Something that would not have happened if someone had not used a machine to look into the anti matter universe just when the Antimonitor was paying attention.

So unless the local Monitor does not know about the crisis it makes sense for him to prevent travel between universes.
 
Mr Zoat said:
Back when I started writing this on SpaceBattles, there was a brief period where there were dozens of Lantern SI stories that started in response to mine. I have about as much problem with that as Martin Nodell has with me.

Sure. I didn't. I also didn't ask the creator of Inviolate about using that, or Martin Nodell about using his original character Alan Scott, or... DC in general about using their stuff.
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on one hand :fair point.
on the other: you are using PUPULAR characters from a MASIVE company, and you TOLD US the continuity you are using. AND you did not put a link to the original story involving Teal lantern.
a sinple edit to the 1° appereance with "a link to the original story" would have benn the polite thing to do.
(sorry for the bad english, or any percibed rudeness)
 
RamiroGalletti said:
on one hand :fair point.
on the other: you are using PUPULAR characters from a MASIVE company, and you TOLD US the continuity you are using. AND you did not put a link to the original story involving Teal lantern.
a sinple edit to the 1° appereance with "a link to the original story" would have benn the polite thing to do.
(sorry for the bad english, or any percibed rudeness)
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The title of the first chapter is a link to the original story.
 
I greatly enjoy WTR, but I set it down about a year ago (planning to catch up eventually some day). Hearing that Vanillabun was showing up made me pop back in. Go go Vanilla! Melt OL's grinchy heart with the power of friendship and tabletop gaming!
 
monochromaticPrism said:
Given what appears to be the inherent philosophical differences between a orange and teal lantern, my bet as to the asteroid's fate is that it will shortly become thousands of tasty asteroid snow cones, likely to be sold bulk for 20 bucks to an impoverished public school that is out on lunch break somewhere hot, or some equivalent.
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No, in I Want To See You Smile, Vanilla mentions selling copper.
Maxx Crowley said:
Yup, this is proceeding just as I felt it would.
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I wish I could predict things as well as you.
 
Radix said:
Probably. I dont really see why it is good manners to ask permission. It isnt needed and doesnt do anything.
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Let's say somebody else was writing a fanfic that got massively popular, and they had an interdimensional traveler show up that turned out to be Zoat, and then he raped that parallel's version of Zatanna who was still 14 years old. Would that be a problem? I'd think so, can't speak for Zoat if he'd have a problem with it but some fans would. Now Zoat has so far handled the character respectfully, hell she's coming off nicer and smarter than she did in the original work, and that's probably why the author said they'd have said yes if asked. That's why it's good manners to ask for permission, because then the author of an SI can say they trust the person asking the permission to do their work justice. No one is saying Zoat had to ask permission, just that it would have been better to have done so.
 
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