With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

Darko · May 16, 2021

Mr Zoat said:
Empathic vision shows me something rather different picture

'a rather'

Mr Zoat said:
driven to acquire the most potent weapons that he can and with absolutely no scruples on what he does to get them.

If we could trust him to stick to a contract, he'd be an excellent Orange Lantern.

Ohh, Paul.

You and your desire to recruit lunatics.

Mr Zoat said:
"Harrow is the name I go by. My friend's name is Chance." He points a thumb at the grizzled man wearing a tricorn hat. "And the lady there…" The woman in purple. "That's Risqué."

I'm gonna take a wild guess and say that those aren't their real names.

Then again, they may be.

Mr Zoat said:
"Mine's fairly literal. People call me 'Illustres', and-" I intensify my environmental shield. "-I make light."

Hagrid: Yer a light bulb Pauly.

...

...I have no idea why I said that, but I'm not taking it back.

Mr Zoat said:
"I meant, have you been incommunicado? The existence of orange power rings isn't a secret."

True, but you're fairly recent and not as wide spread as the GLC, so it's understandable why you wouldn't be so well known.

Mr Zoat said:
I don't think I'm radiating orange light in any metaphysical sense, but his eyes glow and he's not even touching a ring. That sort of thing makes me think 'strong but crazy'.

And you'd know about strong but crazy, seeing as you are that.

Mr Zoat said:
"Not at all! We're not called 'Free' Lancers because we're under contract! We love bidding wars!"

Now I'm imagining a reality show starring these guys.

Mr Zoat said:
The Negotiator step forward

'steps'

Mr Zoat said:
We don't have a multi-million year legacy of lawfulness to live up to."

True, but maybe starting out by doing questionable things, not counting the Citadel genocide, is not such a wise idea.

Mr Zoat said:
"Do you have a Scarab?"

"Unfortunately, no.

Well a friend of yours does.

Though he has no idea.

Mr Zoat said:
I could ask William to ask Jebediah whether or not he's got a Scarab, but Jebediah has no reason real to work with me after I killed Nabu.

And freeing and helping Adom.

And if he found out you made Constantine a Lord of Chaos, then he has a whole lot of reasons for not wanting to have anything to do with you.

Mr Zoat said:
Wait, was it Jebediah or Nabu..?

I know that in the n52 Blue Beetle and Nabu fought Ahri'han.

However for before Flashpoint the only thing that comes to mind is Silver Scarab, Hector Hall, who eventually became Doctor Fate.

And the guy didn't use a Reach Scarab, just scarab themed armor.

Mr Zoat said:
"We're not really looking for that sort of commitment."

Yeah Paul.

You can at least buy them dinner first.

Mr Zoat said:
Green power rings usually have green sigil

'a green'

Mr Zoat said:
Why would the Guardians make something like that, much less actually issue it?

Well it's not inconceivable that they modify rings and make new models from time to time.

Alan's ring for example looked much more different than the rings of others.

webxro · May 16, 2021

Isn't that like the ring that needed no charge or something ? I know I read somewhere a theory about stuff like that, but I have a horrible memory.

theaceoffire · May 16, 2021

BlueMangoAdea said:
Liquefies for present tense?

Ooh. Prototype ring? I wonder if the design could be adapted for an orange ring.

Oh God it's a symbiote!

One of venom's offspring managed to eat a goddamn power ring!

Paul needs to use adverse and get the hell out of this universe!

Darko · May 16, 2021

Mr Zoat said:
but Jebediah has no reason real to work with me after I killed Nabu.

'has no real reason'

Mr Zoat said:
Yet, anyway. And I couldn't find anyone called Jamie Reyes wearing any sort of beetle-themed armour

So he doesn't remember the connection the Scarab had to Ted.

I'm assuming he thinks Jaime either stumbled upon it in some tomb or got it like Ben Tennyson got the Omnitrix, i.e it fell from the sky and attached itself to him?

Which to be fair isn't that far from the truth.

Mr Zoat · May 16, 2021

BlueMangoAdea said:
Liquefies for present tense?

Darko said:
'a rather'
'steps'
'a green'

Thank you, corrected.

And freeing and helping Adom.

Actually, Jebediah is fine with Adom being rehabilitated.

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He would have to do some serious thinking about his own behaviour afterwards, but unlike Nabu he actually would.

Darko said:
'has no real reason'

Thank you, corrected.

Chojin Patriarch · May 16, 2021

Mr Zoat said:
12th August 2012
19:01 GMT

"Hello there!"

A grinning male humanoid in blue and red greets me with apparent warmth. Empathic vision shows me something rather different picture, a man driven to acquire the most potent weapons that he can and with absolutely no scruples on what he does to get them.

And no qualms about betraying anyone and anything needed to A: get what he wants, B: get paid for it and C: keep his skin in one piece in the process, no doubt. I bet even that affable demeanour is a stance to put threats at ease...

If we could trust him to stick to a contract, he'd be an excellent Orange Lantern.

"Hello indeed. I am the Illustres of the Orange Lantern Corps."

Yeah, no. He strikes me as the sort to be willing to change horse midstream, especially if it looks like it's sinking. Last thing you need is a potential deserter.

"Harrow is the name I go by. My friend's name is Chance." He points a thumb at the grizzled man wearing a tricorn hat. "And the lady there…" The woman in purple. "That's Risqué."

"Doesn't look that risqué." I smile. "But maybe I've spent too much time on Tamaran."

Though her outfit is quite pleasingly tight in all the right places...

"I don't think I'm particularly harrowing, and I've never seen Chance leave a hand of cards to chance for as long as I've known him." He shrugs. "Names are what you make of them, Illustres."

"Mine's fairly literal. People call me 'Illustres', and-" I intensify my environmental shield. "-I make light."

How.. illuminating. <ducks.>

Hey, it had to be said by someone.

"Would that be a power ring?"

"Long way from here to D'xe?"

"A long way from a lot of places."

Cagey, isn't he? Not wanting to give away even the hint of a clue.

I hold out my left hand.

"I meant, have you been incommunicado? The existence of orange power rings isn't a secret."

Which begs the question galaxy-wide: "What other colours do they come in?" Certainly, while the Guardians tend to have a monopoly on Spectrum technology that's now being broken down by the Controllers, they can't be the only species in the whole galaxy who've experimented with it... Wonder how many have been experimenting...

I don't think I'm radiating orange light in any metaphysical sense, but his eyes glow and he's not even touching a ring. That sort of thing makes me think 'strong but crazy'.

"Though I imagine the fact that we're at war with the Reach is a more immediate concern."

...Okay, that's just a little worrying, yes. Maybe his species has a little natural Spectrum-usage ability?

"Not at all! We're not called 'Free' Lancers because we're under contract! We love bidding wars!"

"Then you do not-" The Negotiator step forward, his bodyguard fanning out slightly. "-intend to honour your commission to the Reach?"

Boy, kind of leaning on the implied threat there, brother. Think he's a little put out?

"It seems that what we've picked up might be a little more valuable than we thought. We'd be fools to let an opportunity like this to slip through our hands."

"And the closest N.E.M.O. planet is closer than the closest Reach planet, and the closest N.E.M.O. fleet is a lot closer than the closest Reach fleet. And I'm here, of course."

And a whole other kind of implied threat.

Harrow doesn't seem unduly bothered. "It's up to the client to arrange delivery after the hand-off. And since you're not just attacking our ship, it seems to me that you're obeying local law."

"Yes, though I want to be clear that I'm nothing like as obsessive about the principle as the Green Lanterns are."

Indeed, he's mostly trying not to annoy the locals into turning hostile, after all. Not that he's too worried one way or the other, but Dox would probably yell. And that's just annoying.

"Meaning..?"

"Meaning that depending on what you even have, I have to decide how much it will affect the progress of the war. And then I have to decide how badly we need it and whether we need to offend certain parties more or less than we need it. We don't have a multi-million year legacy of lawfulness to live up to."

Which I bet a lot of people are forgetting or overlooking, in-universe. The Orange Lanterns and their associates aren't space cops. Nor do they intend to be. They're a military power.

"Ooh." He holds up his hands. "Consider me warned."

Well, at least he has a rich talent for sarcasm...

Risqué regards me sceptically. "The Reach are offering us a Scarab implant."

"You know those things mind control you, right?"

And honestly, there are better weapons out there. Power Rings, for example. And yes, I know, tools. But most people only know of Greenies using them as weapons...

"None of us are planning on wearing it. We have sophisticated analysis engines and a contact book full of technical specialists. We're going to reverse engineer the technology."

"Good luck with that. What would I have to offer you to outbid that?"

I rather suspect any planet or facility they tried to set up a research centre on would suffer a strangely coincidental case of existence failure shortly after...

"Do you have a Scarab?"

"Unfortunately, no. They've started building self-destruct systems into them that make them rather tricky to capture."

Haha... If he only knew...

Though I do dimly remember… A Booster Gold comic where he got hold of a Scarab after the Rock of Eternity blew up. This continuity doesn't have a Booster Gold… Yet, anyway. And I couldn't find anyone called Jamie Reyes wearing any sort of beetle-themed armour. I could ask William to ask Jebediah whether or not he's got a Scarab, but Jebediah has no reason real to work with me after I killed Nabu.

Wait, was it Jebediah or Nabu..?

Boy, is his face going to be red in a couple of years time... When he finally let's slip about the Scarabs in earshot of Ted Kord and he mentions his mentor's old artefact... Or introduces his new intern, Jaime Reyes.

"How about a power ring?"

"If you want a long-term contract, I'd be happy to give each of you one. There are very few mortals who can forge rings, and you gaining the ability would make you very valuable to us."

Though that contract might need some magical enforcement, just in case. Harrow probably enjoys his freedom to quietly (or not-so-quietly) slip away from any compromising employment.

"I hate to repeat myself here, but what part of 'Free Lancer' suggests that we want to be under contract?"

"It's the way your eyes are glowing. Your dominant trait is avarice. I can give you a ring, I can give you access to technology far more advanced than anything the Reach has. You can fiddle around with it to your heart's content and all we'd ask in return is that you share what you learn."

And knowing that, what's the bet Harrow gets it into his head to go looking for an Orange Ring somewhere?

"We're not really looking for that sort of commitment."

"I see why you came to Yuna."

Oof, multi-target Burn.

"Hah! Yes, they are a bit like that, aren't they? But that doesn't change the fact that I've already got a generous deal lined up. If you can't outbid the Reach, then… Well…"

He shrugs with exaggerated insolence.

At least he's sanguine about it. Got to like the guy, he knows what he is, and is entirely happy with the way he is.

I nod. He has a point, but at this point I don't even know what he has. Asking after that Scarab that might be on Earth would be the next logical step, and… Would Kalmin be willing to trade his antithesis ring?

"Simply knowing that you have something that the Reach want isn't quite enough to make me want to sell the farm. What is it-."

No mention of K'ryssma being hot on their heels? Well, at least he can pull that out later, maybe shake that confidence of theirs. Assuming they haven't already noticed.

Chance snorts. "You don't even know?"

"I heard a report that you acquired a power ring, but I have no idea whether I should believe it or not."

I'm sure there are plenty of 'traders' who claim to have acquired 'power rings'. The veracity of such claims is up to the listener.

Harrow reaches into his pocket and pulls out a small box.

"There's a standing bounty from all sorts of people for an intact power ring." I smile slightly. Naughty K'ryssma. "But what we got is a little different. We didn't get the full story, but it looks like the Guardians were trying out a new design… But didn't have the bugs all worked out yet."

Oh, really? I suppose it's not impossible. There's probably a line of technical development to do with Power Rings. I doubt the current model is exactly the same as the ones used by the First Lanterns.

More Bobblehead malware for one thing.

The small box partially liquefied, revealing the green…

Huh.

Green power rings usually have green sigil on a circular face. This one is.. slightly darker in colour, with the outline of a square in place of the normal sigil. I can feel the focused will associated with it so it's definitely genuine, but…

Hmm... Older prototype or newer? Going by the storyline involved, it's likely the advanced Ring introduced there...

Why would the Guardians make something like that, much less actually issue it?

"Have you tested it?"

Well, for one thing, proprietary Bobblehead security features? And it may require a downright unsafe level of focused Will...

"How could I do that without tipping off the Guardians? I don't want to get dragged to Oa and stuck in a sciencell."

"In that case, I'm going to need to consult with other parties. Can you hold onto it for a few days?"

"Certainly. I think the bidding might just get interesting."

Let's just hope the resulting bidding war doesn't turn into a shooting war.

Well, that is going to be a lively series of calls, probably involving Hinon, Dox and maybe Kalmin... Especially if he loops in K'ryssma and whichever Guardian she's liaising with. Just the fact that this ring exists is a major issue for the Green Lantern Corps. Especially if it's as powerful as it's reputed to be...

Sceptic · May 16, 2021

Darko said:
I'm assuming he thinks Jaime either stumbled upon it in some tomb or got it like Ben Tennyson got the Omnitrix, i.e it fell from the sky and attached itself to him?

Given that he thinks the name is "Jamie", it's no wonder he didn't find him.

transhumansage · May 16, 2021

anybody know what arc paul killed larfleeze? also who is K'ryssma

Handlewithcare · May 16, 2021

I wonder if Scarab symbiotes are sophisticated enough to be susceptible to the emotional light?

As for the power ring: could it be the insane Lantern managed to make one themselves? One without Oan restrictions on it?

DrThoth · May 16, 2021

Can Scarabs (whether implanted or not) evade power ring scans? I don't know the canonical time when Green Beetle first found his Scarab on Mars, but I guess he's hiding out from Paragon.
Actually though, if Green Beetle is already a thing, that means the Reach have an agent near Earth that they could be doing all sorts of things with, activating him early in response to Paragon's actions altering canon. That could potentially be very worrying. I think I did ask before about Adrianna having memories of previous hosts of Isis, but I don't remember the answer, though I assume not.

How did the Light get in contact with the Reach in the first place? Did they ever say? I know s3 isn't canonical to this fic but s2 ended with Vandal and Darkseid shaking hands so I kind of assume it was thanks to Apokalips connections, since there aren't any actual aliens on the Light.

I assume that the GLC captured at least one Scarab implant during their war; did the Guardians study it at all? Having a non-brainwashing Scarab would make a useful complement to Green Lanterns, so I assume they didn't.

I wonder if Paragon will be willing to just compel them to hand over the power ring if necessary; as he said, he's not as committed to local law as a Green Lantern would be, and I feel like he could do it subtly enough to evade notice anyway.

Darko · May 16, 2021

Mr Zoat said:
And I couldn't find anyone called Jamie Reyes wearing

His name is 'Jaime Reyes'

Unless Paul doesn't know what it's spelled like and that's why he couldn't locate him.

transhumansage said:
anybody know what arc paul killed larfleeze?

Paul didn't kill him, he just captured him.

Renegade killed him.

transhumansage said:
also who is K'ryssma

The Green Lantern Paul was talking to in the previous chapters..

DrThoth said:
Can Scarabs (whether implanted or not) evade power ring scans?

Probably, since they're anti Lantern weaponry, so them evading scans makes sense.

And Khaji Da also had magic, so he may be extra hard to find.

DrThoth said:
. I think I did ask before about Adrianna having memories of previous hosts of Isis, but I don't remember the answer, though I assume not.

She may have them, but she may have to meditate to view them, or something like that.

And even if she did have them I don't think she'd think of the Scarab.

Her and Paul aren't all that close, so she may not know about the Reach.

DrThoth said:
I assume that the GLC captured at least one Scarab implant during their war; did the Guardians study it at all? Having a non-brainwashing Scarab would make a useful complement to Green Lanterns, so I assume they didn't

They probably captured a few, but may have found it unnecessary to start using them since they may have thought the rings were enough.

I do remember a Black Lantern fic with either an SI or an OC that had him reprogram Scarabs and make Black Scarabs.

Mr Zoat · May 16, 2021

transhumansage said:
anybody know what arc paul killed larfleeze?

The main SI didn't kill Larfleeze. He apprehended him and put him in a mental hospital.

also who is K'ryssma

Mr Zoat said:
"Then why is she here?"

The ring brings up an image of Lantern K'ryssma, showing her drop out of warp at the same point from which the… 'Free Lancers' entered the system, and then head towards Yuna. No pilot for her, I note. I frown and look up… There she is.

Mr Zoat · May 16, 2021

Darko said:
His name is 'Jaime Reyes'

Unless Paul doesn't know what it's spelled like and that's why he couldn't locate him.

Yes. I only learned that Spanish J = English H after the start of this story. If he'd been German it would have been different.

Massgamer · May 16, 2021

Paul in bidding war! I would think the Negotiator would be trying harder to cut into the conversation.

On another note, after binge watching Invincible I really hope we get a interlude of Paul in that verse later, assuming of course Mr Zoat has seen it and wants to of course.

Darko · May 16, 2021

Chojin Patriarch said:
I bet even that affable demeanour is a stance to put threats at ease...

Or it could be genuine, like Richard Wilkins.

The fact that it helps is just a bonus.

Chojin Patriarch said:
Though her outfit is quite pleasingly tight in all the right places...

There is something to be said about keeping a bit of mystery.

Chojin Patriarch said:
How.. illuminating. <ducks.> Hey, it had to be said by someone.

Inferior to my Hagrid line, but you pass.

Chojin Patriarch said:
Certainly, while the Guardians tend to have a monopoly on Spectrum technology that's now being broken down by the Controllers, they can't be the only species in the whole galaxy who've experimented with it... Wonder how many have been experimenting...

The Zamarons are making rings.

The Qwardians can also do it.

As well as Abin Sur, and probably that guy that helped him.

Chojin Patriarch said:
The Orange Lanterns and their associates aren't space cops. Nor do they intend to be. They're a military power.

For now.

Though once the major threats, like the Reach, Apokalips, Qward, have been eliminated they may become cops.

Chojin Patriarch said:
Boy, is his face going to be red in a couple of years time... When he finally let's slip about the Scarabs in earshot of Ted Kord and he mentions his mentor's old artefact... Or introduces his new intern, Jaime Reyes.

Assuming Ted remembers.

He can be a bit scatterbrained.

Chojin Patriarch said:
And knowing that, what's the bet Harrow gets it into his head to go looking for an Orange Ring somewhere?

Suckers bet.

Chojin Patriarch said:
At least he's sanguine about it. Got to like the guy, he knows what he is, and is entirely happy with the way he is.

We can acknowledge his behavior, but we don't have to like him.

Chojin Patriarch said:
Let's just hope the resulting bidding war doesn't turn into a shooting war.

Do you know nothing about the vile Chaos God Murphy, Chojin?

Even the Four stay away from him and yet you continue to follow him.

Darko · May 16, 2021

Massgamer said:
On another note, after binge watching Invincible I really hope we get a interlude of Paul in that verse later, assuming of course Mr Zoat has seen it and wants to of course.

I'm also hoping to see one in the Ben 10 universe.

Though from the perspective of Hinon and Azmuth.

I can see them bonding over things like science, old mistakes, and of course having their creations be wielded by humans who annoy them.

Mr Zoat · May 16, 2021

Massgamer said:
On another note, after binge watching Invincible I really hope we get a interlude of Paul in that verse later, assuming of course Mr Zoat has seen it and wants to of course.

I've seen clips. For a guy called 'Invincible' he certainly seems to get his face kicked in a lot.

Actually, I was thinking about doing a couple of Renegade in Worm segments, where he solos the Slaughterhouse 9 and uses his fame to start a state-level Parahuman police force. On the grounds that it's unconstitutional for the Federal Government to involve itself in state policing.

Darko said:
I'm also hoping to see one in the Ben 10 universe.

Though from the perspective of Hinon and Azmuth.

I can see them bonding over things like science, old mistakes, and of course having their creations be wielded by humans who annoy them.

I am entirely too old to have watched Ben 10.

Darko · May 16, 2021

Mr Zoat said:
I've seen clips. For a guy called 'Invincible' he certainly seems to get his face kicked in a lot.

Like Harrow said in this chapter, names don't always indicate the truth.

Mr Zoat said:
Actually, I was thinking about doing a couple of Renegade in Worm segments, where he solos the Slaughterhouse 9 and uses his fame to start a state-level Parahuman police force. On the grounds that it's unconstitutional for the Federal Government to involve itself in state policing.

I remember you mentioning about writing some chapters in which renegade adopts Amy and one where a version of Paul kills Legend after discovering Cauldron.

Which is a shame, since Legend was not aware of the shadier shit Cauldron was doing.

Mr Zoat said:
I am entirely too old to have watched Ben 10.

Though you have watched things like Thundercats 2011, which came out years after Ben 10.

Mr Zoat · May 16, 2021

Darko said:
I remember you mentioning about writing some chapters in which renegade adopts Amy and one where a version of Paul kills Legend after discovering Cauldron.

Different idea.

Which is a shame, since Legend was not aware of the shadier shit Cauldron was doing.

That was the point of it. I could say something like 'Worm is suffering' or 'he should have found out', but really the idea would only work thematically if he wasn't that bad a guy. That SI would kill someone that most people thought was a hero, but he's comfortable knowing that he was actually a monster. And then later he finds out that he wasn't.

Though you have watched things like Thundercats 2011, which came out years after Ben 10.

Yeah, but I'd seen original Thundercats. And I probably was too old to watch Thundercats 2011. Same with He-Man.

Darko · May 16, 2021

Mr Zoat said:
That was the point of it. I could say something like 'Worm is suffering' or 'he should have found out', but really the idea would only work thematically if he wasn't that bad a guy. That SI would kill someone that most people thought was a hero, but he's comfortable knowing that he was actually a monster. And then later he finds out that he wasn't.

Ahh, Worm.

The place where being a good guy is nearly impossible.

mastermenthe · May 16, 2021

Chojin Patriarch said:
I rather suspect any planet or facility they tried to set up a research centre on would suffer a strangely coincidental case of existence failure shortly after...

That is a concern with anything involving the Reach, is it not? Of course, it is also possible the Reach simultaneously value their reputation as a trading partner and are making this offer genuinely, with a bonus of gaining a new infection vector through the scarab.

Handlewithcare said:
I wonder if Scarab symbiotes are sophisticated enough to be susceptible to the emotional light?

Yes, seeing as how Illustres was able to detect a stealthed Scarab Warrior during the second battle with the Reach via his empathy vision spotting the surreptitious flashes of the scarab's own wants. Illustres attempted to use The Honden to subvert the Scarab's wants after disabling it, but it self-destructed as soon as he made mental contact.

DrThoth said:
Can Scarabs (whether implanted or not) evade power ring scans?

Yes, when Illustres and Drusa visited the Reach-infiltrated shipyard in a recent episode, Illustres could use empathy sight to spot the scarab, but Drusa could not detect the scarab warrior until it already opened fire with a neural blaster.
Additionally, when Actually-Grayven kill-steal'd the entire first battle with The Reach, Illustres noted two scarab warriors were flushed out by Actually-Grayven's forces that had not been detected earlier.

Massgamer said:
Paul in bidding war! I would think the Negotiator would be trying harder to cut into the conversation.

The Reach Negotiator has three reasons for holding back:
1. The Negotiator is terrified of Illustres and is worried about accidentally pushing Illustres into becoming even more unpredictable than usual.
2. The Negotiator is aware of Illustres' tendency to overshare strategic and personal information, if Illustres is given room to make mistakes over incomplete assumptions, or if Illustres overhears incorrect information being shared by anyone in the room, such as the Reach Negotiator deliberately stating subtly incorrect facts.
3. The Negotiator is aware that the presence of Illustres completely nullifies any of the Reach's usual strategies to undercut an economic opponent. By leaving the initiative of changing the terms in the hands of the Freelancers without Reach interference, the Negotiator hopes that the Illustres is predictably self-bounded by the desires of the Freelancers during the course of the bidding war, and so standing back becomes the logical path.

Darko said:
The Zamarons are making rings

I'm sorry, what? I don't remember this at all. What rings are they making?

Ngamer11 · May 16, 2021

mastermenthe said:
I'm sorry, what? I don't remember this at all. What rings are they making?

Dame Carol Ferris gave them the idea to properly start a Star Sapphire Corps. Only known member is Ghi'ata, as Dame Carol Ferris is from another universe and will eventually have to go back. Maybe the local Carol Ferris will join in the future?

Darko · May 16, 2021

mastermenthe said:
Yes, seeing as how Illustres was able to detect a stealthed Scarab Warrior during the second battle with the Reach via his empathy vision spotting the surreptitious flashes of the scarab's own wants.

Though taking control of the Scarab may be more difficult.

Seeing as one of the OLC's main powers is mind control with Branding, it's highly likely the Reach has increased any anti-subversion protocols the Scarabs may have, probably making them more resistant or making them self-destruct if they're subverted.

mastermenthe said:
I'm sorry, what? I don't remember this at all. What rings are they making

After Paul and Zatanna went to Earth -14 they brought back a Star Sapphire with them.

Dame Carrol Ferris to be specific.

The Star Sapphires have the role of the GLC in the -14 universe, and have power rings.

The Zamarons apparently studied Carol's ring and made their own.

A young Zamaron, Ghi'ata, is on the Team.

Edit: Ngamer11 beat me to it.

Darko · May 16, 2021

Ngamer11 said:
Maybe the local Carol Ferris will join in the future?

Assuming she wants to have anything to do with the Violet Light or the Zamarons ever again.

After being driven crazy by their little creation, she may have decided to steer clear of them and their creations.

Ngamer11 · May 16, 2021

Mr Zoat said:
"Can't imagine who put him off."

This picture doesn't work anymore. Also, is it fine to post links to the In Praise of Eros thread in this thread?

Mr Zoat · May 16, 2021

Ngamer11 said:
This picture doesn't work anymore.

I'll change it.

Also, is it fine to post links to the In Praise of Eros thread in this thread?

Actually? Only if you clearly mark it as a link to the NSFW section. I think putting that comment in there is enough, but it might be better to lead with that in future.

Ganurath · May 16, 2021

Mr Zoat said:
Actually, I was thinking about doing a couple of Renegade in Worm segments, where he solos the Slaughterhouse 9 and uses his fame to start a state-level Parahuman police force. On the grounds that it's unconstitutional for the Federal Government to involve itself in state policing.

While their roster when they hit Brockton Bay in canon is as follows:

1. Jack Slash
2. Bonesaw
3. Siberian
4. Mannequin
5. Shatterbird
6. Crawler
7. Burnscar
8. Cherish

That roster is extremely recent, with Cherish having joined up at the previous recruitment run by killing a standing member, a power negator with enhanced strength and toughness called Hatchet Face. He himself was a more recent member, brought in to replace Winter, a former child soldier turned arms dealer and slaver who used her power to drain physical and emotional energy from an area to lock targets down so that her lover, a blood drinking speedster Hulk with a greatsword named Crimson, could leverage his melee might against them. So, if Renegade were to hit the Nine prior to canon, the lineup might look more like this:

1. Jack Slash
2. Bonesaw
3. Siberian
4. Mannequin
5. Shatterbird
6. Crawler
7. Crimson
8. Winter
9. Burnscar

Would I be correct to assume that Renegade would be adverse to confronting Mama Mathers, due to her power making her a living memetic hazard? Or the Elite, due to their basically being headed by Worm's Lex Luthor?

Mr Zoat · May 16, 2021

Ganurath said:
Would I be correct to assume that Renegade would be adverse to confronting Mama Mathers, due to her power making her a living memetic hazard? Or the Elite, due to their basically being headed by Worm's Lex Luthor?

There's a comic early in Order of the Stick where a couple of characters have to walk through a room full of monsters. One of them casts a spell to make the monsters ignore them, but remarks that they're surprised that it worked on all of them as at least one of them should have passed a will save. After a little while they realise that the room is filled with 1st Edition monsters, and as such they don't have a will save.

The Entities haven't encountered New God technology before, let alone had to deal with the Source. While it doesn't really help with Scion, the Renegade can no-sell a lot of things that are devastating to the local squishy people.

Basically, if it only works due to how agents network, it won't work on him at all. Jack Slash's mind control? Fail. If it requires the agent to connect to him, it'll be rolling against his exotic resistance and probably fail. The Renegade's like a boss character who's immune to status effects, playing against builds focused on status effects.

Ganurath · May 16, 2021

Mr Zoat said:
There's a comic early in Order of the Stick where a couple of characters have to walk through a room full of monsters. One of them casts a spell to make the monsters ignore them, but remarks that they're surprised that it worked on all of them as at least one of them should have passed a will save. After a little while they realise that the room is filled with 1st Edition monsters, and as such they don't have a will save.

The Entities haven't encountered New God technology before, let alone had to deal with the Source. While it doesn't really help with Scion, the Renegade can no-sell a lot of things that are devastating to the local squishy people.

Basically, if it only works due to how agents network, it won't work on him at all. Jack Slash's mind control? Fail. If it requires the agent to connect to him, it'll be rolling against his exotic resistance and probably fail. The Renegade's like a boss character who's immune to status effects, playing against builds focused on status effects.

I'd argue that the shard network means that parahuman powers would eventually innovate adaptations to his resistance, but Cauldron capes like Mama use shards that aren't networked due to Eden's demise, so your logic would actually hold water with regard to her in particular.

That being said, there's the question of whether or not crimes using parahuman abilities are considered federal crimes for the purpose of facilitating PRT jurisdiction.

Mr Zoat · May 16, 2021

Ganurath said:
I'd argue that the shard network means that parahuman powers would eventually innovate adaptations to his resistance, but Cauldron capes like Mama use shards that aren't networked due to Eden's demise, so your logic would actually hold water with regard to her in particular.

That being said, there's the question of whether or not crimes using parahuman abilities are considered federal crimes for the purpose of facilitating PRT jurisdiction.

The appear to be considered that in Worm, but I'm not sure whether that's actually how it would work in US law or Cauldron sticking its oar in.

The Renegade argues that the Protectorate involving in anything other than interstate crime is unconstitutional as they're a federal agency. Cauldron disagrees, and that's why doors don't work in a tri-state area.

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