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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

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lancelot said:
It seems like slowly be surely paragon's behavior is producing more and more awesome long term results. While Renegades choices are slowly be surely coming back around to bite him on the ass. I love it when the universe has consequences for being an selfish, petty, asshole. Maybe not all the time but certainly most of the time until he grew the fuck up recently.
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I mean long term, Renegade's Earth seems much better off. There isnt the Light lurking to screw things up. Plus he has empowered various groups.


Why does Grayven use the word chirurgy instead of surgery?
 
Radix said:
I mean long term, Renegade's Earth seems much better off. There isnt the Light lurking to screw things up. Plus he has empowered various groups.


Why does Grayven use the word chirurgy instead of surgery?
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I think it's a British thing.

Paragon also uses it a lot.
 
Radix said:
I mean long term, Renegade's Earth seems much better off. There isnt the Light lurking to screw things up. Plus he has empowered various groups.
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Have you heard anything from any surviving member of the Light in how many chapters? That would be because their scared shitless. He didn't hunt them down and murder them all... just half of them. They don't have a magic user at the moment. I think all that is left is Luthor, Savage, and Brain. I'm not sure if Brain is still alive. Even if their is anyone still alive to fill the ranks they'll have to deal with multiple armies of lanterns and a fleet of starships can show up and ream them at will. Paragon has empowered a LOT more groups without screwing up his relationship with previous groups.
 
I'm sorry, but only the aftermath of the Sheeda Invasion tilts the balance of the scale in Grayven's Earth's favor. Paragon's Earth suffered a lot from that. I don't know for sure, obviously, but I would bet that Grayven's Earth's population has a billion or two more than Paragon's.

The universe in general in Paragon's side may be better, as a consequence of his Orange Lantern Corps being more well established and his overall galactic and Lantern networking. But Earth specifically? Nah, Grayven's is winning on that one, in my opinion.
 
Someguy Somewhere said:
If we're dealing with later versions of Doomsday that 'evolves responses to what ever killed him previously, and always regenerates from death' then it gets tricky. We don't know what he'd evolve to deal with constructs....I assume some organic crumbler field? As for any emotional spectrum manipulation....early doomsday isn't mentally complex, but later on he gets a bit brighter....and a lot less scary. As Superman says in their rematch, that now that doomsday is Aware, DD remembers him, and understands he *Lost* and *Died*, and has learned something new, Fear. Either end he's got some emotions, and likely runs mostly on RED. Doomsday evolving a response to *Best Snek* would....take a bit of doing I think. Might just end up with a Construct Doomsday at that rate.
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You didn't read Hunter/Prey.

It's what introduces Doomsday's adaptation ability.

For one thing, it isn't dependent on dying first.

When fighting a Green Lantern, he stole his ring.

When fighting a Guardian, he was draining his energy.

The Guardian, realizing that Doomsday was only getting stronger as the fight continued, killed himself to defeat Doomsday.

And that was before he made it to Earth.

In his second fight with Superman, enhanced with New God technology, he adapted earplugs to defend against sonic attacks, and Scorpion style "COME OVER HERE!" retractable bone spikes for pulling flyers towards him.

So against a lantern like Paul? Constructs won't matter since the Lantern very shortly won't have any charge in their ring.

Vaermina said:
And yes, it looks like she has been infected by the Eradicator given the direct mention of Kem-El it's creator.
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That got retconned in the Eradicator series. Kem-El didn't create the Eradicator but reprogrammed it.

The Eradicator was actually a knowledge gatherer/preservation device, hence the eating of David Kim's mind.
 
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AverusBlack said:
Depends on whether or not you remember that Vega is a star cluster and therefore consists of more than one sun.
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Not according to the Map.

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Vaermina said:
Not according to the Map.

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This story has specifically mentioned Vega being a small star cluster. Paul literally did a little speech on it. IIRC it was either when he was talking to the game developers, first recapping his trip offworld or explaining where he was going, I can't recall which, but there's a point where it's mentioned that in this story specifically Vega is a star cluster.

Also, you are literally the exact kind of person every writer hates. You treat this story like it's constantly committing the sin of not being good enough for you. Becalm your mammaries, dude. You can't even bring up a valid question without being condescending and snarky about it. Chill.
 
WaleXdraK said:
Oh god, now i really want to see a few chapters of an alternate Paul dropped in Invincible.
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You really don't, because he would have died. Even on the off chance he found some way to charge his ring he would have died.





AverusBlack said:
This story has specifically mentioned Vega being a small star cluster. Paul literally did a little speech on it. IIRC it was either when he was talking to the game developers, first recapping his trip offworld or explaining where he was going, I can't recall which, but there's a point where it's mentioned that in this story specifically Vega is a star cluster.

Also, you are literally the exact kind of person every writer hates. You treat this story like it's constantly committing the sin of not being good enough for you. Becalm your mammaries, dude. You can't even bring up a valid question without being condescending and snarky about it. Chill.
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You're mistaking a multi-star solar system for star cluster.

Vega itself, both in real life and DC comics is a single star solar system with the star being a Blue sequence.
 
Darko said:
I think it's a British thing.

Paragon also uses it a lot.
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All I can find is that it is an archaic form. I have never heard it used before, even in british shows or books.

Before I thought it was a made up word to describe magic surgery. But then it was used here to describe normal surgery.
 
I wonder what specific xenophobic traits were put into Kara's personality. Because Grayven is clearly not Kryptonian, and unless she's been holed up with no company but Karsta for the last couple weeks, surely she's had SOME exposure to other people?
 
Coda said:
I wonder what specific xenophobic traits were put into Kara's personality. Because Grayven is clearly not Kryptonian, and unless she's been holed up with no company but Karsta for the last couple weeks, surely she's had SOME exposure to other people?
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From the look of things she has no problem with killing hostile aliens.

Non hostile ones I'm not so sure about, but if she's fine with renegade, who has not been hostile to her, then she may just be prejudiced against hostile ones.
 
The real problem with this for Grayven is that unless Zoat pulls a Dues Ex Machina, Superman is going to demand to take Kara back to the fortress and have the systems there give her a lookover.

Which means it will detect what Grayven did. And in no world does that look good for Grayven.
 
Radix said:
All I can find is that it is an archaic form. I have never heard it used before, even in british shows or books.

Before I thought it was a made up word to describe magic surgery. But then it was used here to describe normal surgery.
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Here's one!
Coda said:
I wonder what specific xenophobic traits were put into Kara's personality. Because Grayven is clearly not Kryptonian, and unless she's been holed up with no company but Karsta for the last couple weeks, surely she's had SOME exposure to other people?
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Genomorphs, the children and some Tamaraneans.
Darko said:
From the look of things she has no problem with killing hostile aliens.

Non hostile ones I'm not so sure about, but if she's fine with renegade, who has not been hostile to her, then she may just be prejudiced against hostile ones.
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The Eradicator is dedicated to preserving kryptonian life and culture. The Renegade is supporting Karsta's efforts to recreate the kryptonian species, so he's cool for now.
 
Vaermina said:
Which means it will detect what Grayven did. And in no world does that look good for Grayven.
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Superman: "Grayven, what the fuck?"

Grayven: "I found her in a life support pod that was stuck in a giant chunk of kryptonite that she's been in since the planet exploded. At which point I raided the Daxamites to get the medical tech to fix her injuries, which included extensive neurological damage by the way, and that's how she ended up."

Superman: *looks at Wonder Woman*

Wonder Woman: "He's not lying."
 
This whole thing with the Eradicator kinda reminds me of But Doctor I am Pagliacci, where a reformed Joker activates the Eradicator to help him beat Luthor and later on had cloned Kryptonian tissue added to it so it ended up looking like a cybernetic Kara.
 
Nervaqus987 said:
Superman: "Grayven, what the fuck?"

Grayven: "I found her in a life support pod that was stuck in a giant chunk of kryptonite that she's been in since the planet exploded. At which point I raided the Daxamites to get the medical tech to fix her injuries, which included extensive neurological damage by the way, and that's how she ended up."

Superman: *looks at Wonder Woman*

Wonder Woman: "He's not lying."
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This isn't the Wonder Woman that can do that, you're thinking of Paragons.

Also they have already established that Grayven can beat that cause Zoat has New God stuff trump magic.
 
Darko said:
This whole thing with the Eradicator kinda reminds me of But Doctor I am Pagliacci, where a reformed Joker activates the Eradicator to help him beat Luthor and later on had cloned Kryptonian tissue added to it so it ended up looking like a cybernetic Kara.
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Here, for those interested, though it's been over a year since the last update.
 
Vaermina said:
This story...

The ability showed up after Wonder Woman mainlined Truth during the whole Angel incident.
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Yeah, except no.

https://forum.questionablequesting....stice-si-story-only.8961/page-32#post-2504914

I am told that you can tell when someone is lying to you. Is this so?"

Diana nods. "It is."
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That scene takes place months in universe before the Angel bullshit.

There's also bits of Grayven mentioning once or twice that Diana would know if he was lying or not.
 
Vaermina said:
You really don't, because he would have died. Even on the off chance he found some way to charge his ring he would have died.
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Vitrumite aren't that strong compared to Kryptonian (depend of the Medium tho, easily stronger then most animated Kryptonian) also never said it would have been a Paul dropped before the slaughter of the Guardians of the Globe or if it's a Paul dropped before that if he know some of the general setting he would have had the time to learn enough with his rings to beat Omniman with the help of the Guardians (we know they are able to beat him if they aren't taken by surprise, even if they do take some lose) while staying low enough that he wouldn't have triggered him too soon.

ps: but yeah, a fresh Paul without experience with his ring and without knowledge of the setting would get murdered pretty fast by Omniman if he join the guardian of the globe.
 
Radix said:
All I can find is that it is an archaic form. I have never heard it used before, even in british shows or books.
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It is the form the loanword took when the English language raided the Greek language for medical words. ;)
Pretty much 49.5% of medical jargon is ancient greek derived. The other 49.5% is latin derived. :D

The original greek word is "χειρουργείο" and is pronounced pretty similar to "chirurgy" except with an "o" sound appended at the end (not mentioned: the fact that the "χ" is supposed to be pronounced like the "h" in "hope" or "home" and that the "γ" is supposed to be pronounced similar to the "w" sound in "wave" or "warrior").
The etymology of it is from the words "χείρ" (archaic word for hand) and "έργο" (work) and thus "χειρουργείο" quite literally translates to "handwork ".
 
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