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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

I think she joined the League, but I'm not sure.
Yeah, I don't recall her being listed, and I feel like she'd still be too unfamiliar with modern Earth society to be the best fit. Being a combat trainer for the Team (and probably for most of the League) sounds like a better role for her.
 
This Diana didn't have the relatively recent humbling fight with the Shade that Paragon-Diana did, so that's a good point. Paragon's roasting of the League might have prompted some changes too.
In the Shade's POV in Episode 109: The Other Half, he thought to himself that Diana asked him to go all out on her when thinking of how the more durable members of the League tend to take hits rather than avoid them. She mostly has been humbled, it's just that the Renegade didn't do more to upgrade the League's gear the way Paul did.
 
In the Shade's POV in Episode 109: The Other Half, he thought to himself that Diana asked him to go all out on her when thinking of how the more durable members of the League tend to take hits rather than avoid them. She mostly has been humbled, it's just that the Renegade didn't do more to upgrade the League's gear the way Paul did.

I think renegade gave Diana Apokaliptian armour.

The same for the Team.
 
how would main-paul handle these people? i mean my god. are they even in main-paul's reality.
If Paragon had seen them use the snakes to devour the sapients of a planet, he'd likely destroy all of their ships and have killed all of them by now.

G-man hasn't done that because of space god reasons.
 
If Paragon had seen them use the snakes to devour the sapients of a planet, he'd likely destroy all of their ships and have killed all of them by now.

G-man hasn't done that because of space god reasons.
He might have branded them or altered their desires; I know he doesn't like doing the latter but I think he'd be fine with it in the heat of battle. Since Renegade notes they don't seem tech-savvy (though how that squares with them reverse-engineering emotional spectrum and Omega Effect technology, Source only knows), marooning them might be an option.
Alternatively, get any remaining Zamaron Pirates to enter a fight with them and just sit back and enjoy the stereotypical comicbook misandrist superwomen smackdown.

I'm now imagining what Tangseid would do if he encountered the Citizenry; I imagine basically what he did to Diana, just with a whole force.
 
I mean guys let's be honest here looked at objectively Astarte should woop Diana's ass in a one on one fight She has more experience Is fighting and using her actual divinity not like this version of diana who has just started using it while her aunt has used hers for a while

I think unless she severely underestimates fighting Diana And Mr. Zoat uses the force of plot There's no way objectively that Diana can wins this fight

At least not that i can see
 
I mean guys let's be honest here looked at objectively Astarte should woop Diana's ass in a one on one fight She has more experience Is fighting and using her actual divinity not like this version of diana who has just started using it while her aunt has used hers for a while

I think unless she severely underestimates fighting Diana And Mr. Zoat uses the force of plot There's no way objectively that Diana can wins this fight

At least not that i can see
Maybe Astarte will be the thing that finally pushes Diana to use the abilities that she's been unknowingly preventing herself from accessing. As a Titan, she should be much stronger than she currently is. The things holding her back are the blessings of the goddesses and her own mindset.
 
I mean guys let's be honest here looked at objectively Astarte should woop Diana's ass in a one on one fight She has more experience Is fighting and using her actual divinity not like this version of diana who has just started using it while her aunt has used hers for a while

I think unless she severely underestimates fighting Diana And Mr. Zoat uses the force of plot There's no way objectively that Diana can wins this fight

I mean, Diana won in the comics.

The Citizenry are so weird. There has got to be someone pulling the string to make this society hold together, because otherwise why haven't they fallen apart long before now?
 
Maybe Astarte will be the thing that finally pushes Diana to use the abilities that she's been unknowingly preventing herself from accessing. As a Titan, she should be much stronger than she currently is. The things holding her back are the blessings of the goddesses and her own mindset.
True true that could happen the Interesting thing about that happening is if it does Is is how she's going to control the massive amount of power she's unlocked when it does? Because the difference in power between even a baby Titan and what Diana is using now It's like the difference between Batman and Superman. Would her body even be able to handle going to level of power so fast as well?

Mr Zoat correct me if im wrong on power levels for this?

i just going of the only Titan we saw for this and he beat Poseidon pretty easily unfortunately that was an old Titan Who is well used to his powers and not a baby like Diana And even if she unlocked her Titanhood It would probably take her a few Millennia at the lowest estimate to reach her full power and potential i would think because TRUTH is such a broad Main DOMAIN to have she would probably have smaller domains in JUSTICE, WAR, BEAUTY, that she would have to master as well.

Sorry for the rambling
 
I mean, Diana won in the comics.

The Citizenry are so weird. There has got to be someone pulling the string to make this society hold together, because otherwise why haven't they fallen apart long before now?
Yes she won in the comics but like I mentioned she mostly won "because of plot" not because she was objectively the better fighter

I think that's one Of the problems with comic stories they'll come up with a villain that objectively speaking shouldn't lose to the hero yet they do because plot demands it Or the hero will pull out a power or something that was never mentioned before or even hinted at to pull the win

(bigest example is superman who is an average member of his race but does things all the time that a member of his race should not be able to pull off but does it anyway because PLOT)

This is why I'd like to Mr. Zoat story he has given good reasons for the heroes winning and losing fights and I can't currently remember any time he was just like "because reasons" that's why they win.
 
If Diana does win this, despite Astarte being more experienced, then I'm betting that it would happen due to her tapping into her divine power and overpowering Astarte and catching her by surprise.

Astarte may not have so much experience fighting against other divine beings, due to the universe not having too much magic so the chance of meeting other magical beings may have been unlikely before Actually Grayven came along.

This is just my theory.
 
Thanks for that, I'd honestly forgotten to check when I was initially reading through it.
Honestly, I just pop my "invisitext to blue bookmarklet" for every chapter, because I never know when it's going to show up (and I mainly read on my mac or iPhone so the highlight trick doesn't work).
 
"Leave."

Artemis vaults over the balcony and disappears in the lower level.
"
Was Theena talking to Artemis when she said this or was this a challenge to Grayven. Also are Artemis, Green Arrow, and Tao all archer Gods. Is there some variation between their abilities or can they all do what the other can if they have the Knowledge/Experience.
 
Was Theena talking to Artemis when she said this or was this a challenge to Grayven. Also are Artemis, Green Arrow, and Tao all archer Gods. Is there some variation between their abilities or can they all do what the other can if they have the Knowledge/Experience.

I think Artemis mentioned that she's connected to archery, but in a way that's like hunting or assassination related, while Tao is more your standard warrior.

I'm still not sure if Green Arrow was fully Awakened, but if he was then he may be like Tao.

And they can do what the other can.

For example Artemis was able to make those rainbow bubbles Tao is capable of making.
 
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I'm still not sure if Green Arrow was fully Awakened, but if he was then he may be like Tao.
He was Awakened at roughly the same time as Artemis, but because she spent all that time in the future, and Tao had been more or less fully empowered by Chang'e from the start, I presume he's the least metaphysically powerful. Style-wise I agree that he'd be a lot closer to Tao.

Diana won their first fight in the comic by using the lasso to restore Astarte's memories. The effect was so debilitating that she folded. No idea how she won the rematch.
I was thinking of this as a possible resolution, but since Astarte has already been tied up with the Lasso and apparently remembers her whole life even without it (might be wrong about that part), and is still all bloodthirsty, right now I don't see how it'll work differently in their duel. Right now it reminds me of Granny Weatherwax's mind-hack of the Duchess in Wyrd Sisters to make her confront her true self and the damage she's done, which turned out to be ineffective because she already knew and embraced those things as part of her self-concept (actually the Duchess might make a good Orange Lantern, but in terms of capability and viability for enlightenment, not morality).
 
Yes she won in the comics but like I mentioned she mostly won "because of plot" not because she was objectively the better fighter

You must have read a different comic book then.

Diana cut through Citizenry forces like a cuisinart.

It was quite obvious Citizenry technology< Olympian magic.

The woman empowered by divine blessings that she can punch a foe to the moon, is only slightly slower than the Flash, and can tank a thermonuclear strike was in fact just flat out more powerful than the Citizenry.

She took out an entire Citizenry strike team including Astarte, defeated their undefeated champion, and then literally tore through the spaceship to defeat Astarte.

While Achiles was defeating the gruel snakes single handedly with a melee weapon. Citizenry technology< Olympian magic
 
Which is what im saying objectively Astarte has been fighting wars for Millennia. which means she has a much more experienced than Diana when it comes to combat single or otherwise and as a demigod of ares and an amazon Queen living breathing war for Millennia using her natural divinity she put her well above a Diana that has only used the power she gets from other gods. which is just a fraction of a Gods power. Which Would mean that Astarte should have beaten her. Just from lore reasons on how demigods and gods work

but lets wait to see how mr.zoat does this fight

Side note: its a comic fact that when any Flash is serious there isn't a single hero in the Justice League that's any match for them in speed or can keep up with them the best example is Flash War that shows this.
 
Which is what im saying objectively Astarte has been fighting wars for Millennia. which means she has a much more experienced than Diana when it comes to combat single or otherwise and as a demigod of ares and an amazon Queen living breathing war for Millennia using her natural divinity she put her well above a Diana that has only used the power she gets from other gods. which is just a fraction of a Gods power. Which Would mean that Astarte should have beaten her. Just from lore reasons on how demigods and gods work

but lets wait to see how mr.zoat does this fight

Side note: its a comic fact that when any Flash is serious there isn't a single hero in the Justice League that's any match for them in speed or can keep up with them the best example is Flash War that shows this.
Keep in mind just what War's she has been fighting.

Because this is very much a "Black Panther's Wakanda" case where she has so technologically outclassed her enemies that her tactics and skills should have never needed to evolve past the most basics.
 
Keep in mind just what War's she has been fighting.

Because this is very much a "Black Panther's Wakanda" case where she has so technologically outclassed her enemies that her tactics and skills should have never needed to evolve past the most basics.
We know that the Citizenry is a only the strongest rule which would mean that Complacency isn't allowed because if you do odds are someone is going to kill you for your position.

So from this we can safely assume that Astarte has had to always push herself to get on top and stay there for as long as she probably has for one and second grew up in the time of myths and legends and the amazons were constantly at war. Another would be that the Citizenry would probably have at least a few enemy's that they have been at war with at one time or another for how they do things.

Funny thing about DC no matter how advanced a civilization is most still stick to close combat for problem solving

she at least would have combat experience that would leave Diana who's only been around for 100yrs in the dust for combat experience
 
This reminds me that Mortalla's spiritual growth was stunted as a deliberate effect of Desaad's processes, so I'm wondering if the magic of Harmony can undo that damage

I think that Harmony mostly fixes mental afflictions, but it may work.

I can confirm that the Renegade has never Awakened anyone called Green Artow.

Fixed it.

But seriously, was Green Arrow fully Awakened like the others?
 
she at least would have combat experience that would leave Diana who's only been around for 100yrs in the dust for combat experience

You know what advantage 3000 years of combat experience would give you against someone who can tank spaceship canon blasts and punch spaceships into submission? Things WW did in that very storyline, by the by. Enough sense to not be stupid enough to fight them in hand to hand. If she had attacked Diana with a spaceship she'd have actually stood a chance.

And if you knew your Greek myth you'd know that demigods routinely get jack and shit as a divine birthright. Hercules is the exception, not the rule.

So let me amend my earlier comment.

WW defeated an entire squad of Citizenry, captured Astarted, defeated their undefeated champion, and defeated Astarte after dogfighting Citizenry ships destroying several of them, until one actually tagged her causing her to fall to Earth where the impact caused a crater.

Whereas Astarte fell to one blow from her catgirl Lt when Astarte attacked her in anger that she acknowledged Diana as the new boss.
 
We know that the Citizenry is a only the strongest rule which would mean that Complacency isn't allowed because if you do odds are someone is going to kill you for your position.

So from this we can safely assume that Astarte has had to always push herself to get on top and stay there for as long as she probably has for one and second grew up in the time of myths and legends and the amazons were constantly at war. Another would be that the Citizenry would probably have at least a few enemy's that they have been at war with at one time or another for how they do things.

Funny thing about DC no matter how advanced a civilization is most still stick to close combat for problem solving

she at least would have combat experience that would leave Diana who's only been around for 100yrs in the dust for combat experience
You forgot two important points here.

The first, she's the only one around the Citizenry with Demigod level strength and durability.

The second, she's the only one around the Citizenry with the ability to control weapons with her mind.
 
You know what advantage 3000 years of combat experience would give you against someone who can tank spaceship canon blasts and punch spaceships into submission? Things WW did in that very storyline, by the by. Enough sense to not be stupid enough to fight them in hand to hand. If she had attacked Diana with a spaceship she'd have actually stood a chance.

And if you knew your Greek myth you'd know that demigods routinely get jack and shit as a divine birthright. Hercules is the exception, not the rule.

So let me amend my earlier comment.

WW defeated an entire squad of Citizenry, captured Astarted, defeated their undefeated champion, and defeated Astarte after dogfighting Citizenry ships destroying several of them, until one actually tagged her causing her to fall to Earth where the impact caused a crater.

Whereas Astarte fell to one blow from her catgirl Lt when Astarte attacked her in anger that she acknowledged Diana as the new boss.

Ok let me say that the myths i was Talking about was DC lore not real world demigods who all that are shown have certain powers standard to the template like most have a basic Brick package (cassie, jason, donna, Hippolyta, Astarte,etc)
tie to a domain that they may or may not learn to use

Two it was shown in The Paragon timeline When OL was brought to evaluate the Justice League What would happen if they faced a Spaceship most of the league including WW got wiped by the space Cannons on any decent ships And I think we can go with the Citizenry having decent guns would easily kill her in a few hit

Three we arnt talking About post crisis earth 1 BS Diana we're talking about Earth 16 Diana who While i believe is implied by Mr.zoat as having the potential to reach that BS is nowhere near that level right now( could be wrong Mr.zoat please correct if so) because she was easily trounced by the Shade ( Implied that she didn't even give him any trouble)

Four We're not talking about throwaway villain Astarte. we're talking about a version of her that gained at least some respect from grayven who a version of took on Renegade and put up a hell of a fight. So I hope I'm as OK in assuming hes easily above WW 16 and Astarte is going into this fight like a fight to the death because it is and WW is not (or at least I interpreted it that way could be wrong)

(I will say I'm loving a chance to debate thou dont do it alot)

We'd have to ask Mr Zoat how our Shade would stack against Main DC Diana
 
We'd have to ask Mr Zoat how our Shade would stack against Main DC Diana
There's no real reason for them to fight, but Shade 1 doesn't have any particular vulnerability to anything Diana can do as far as I know. The only way to kill him is to surround him in blinding light first, and she doesn't have the ability to do that. Assuming that she was fighting at something approaching full effort her speed would make it hard for him to keep up, but I think he'd win eventually.
 

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