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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

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Mr Zoat said:
"If by some dark miracle you're acquitted, all of your possessions will be returned to you."
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...What just happened here was rather fucked up, and things like it happening in real life is one if the things that makes the world such a shitty place.

It not about what is legal or illegal (although many systems would consider what OL did illegal), but about basic logic, decency, and not being the defector in game theory.

Tuggs is OL enemy, sure. But going scorched Earth like this is abhorrent to me. Your enemies need to have a way to communicate with you in a neutral manner, and you with them, or the end result in a whole lot more death and destruction all around. Tuggs gave the number to OL so they would have an open line of communication.
 
Bramble Thorn said:
...What just happened here was rather fucked up, and things like it happening in real life is one if the things that makes the world such a shitty place.

It not about what is legal or illegal (although many systems would consider what OL did illegal), but about basic logic, decency, and not being the defector in game theory.

Tuggs is OL enemy, sure. But going scorched Earth like this is abhorrent to me. Your enemies need to have a way to communicate with you in a neutral manner, and you with them, or the end result in a whole lot more death and destruction all around. Tuggs gave the number to OL so they would have an open line of communication.
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The whole point of superpowers is that the usual rules go out the window.

Overhwelming a known murderer who has an unknonw collection of super-items is the only sensible thing to do.
 
Mr Zoat said:
She's never seen it written down.
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Most haven't seen supercalifragic expialidocious written down before. If you were writing a storyline with Mary Poppins would you have it spelled differently for every character that says it aloud but Mary Poppins?
Until they've written it down there's no point in making note of them thinking it's spelled a certain way.
 
Pinklestia said:
That's Renegade, Oh El just nuked the Light. Renegade reformed it, gave Circe Gohood and helped Sunset Shimmer become an alicorn.
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I don't know what you're trying to say with this.

When I said 'You kinda do' I was referring to the fact that Truggs works with a group that has members who can kinda perform dark miracles, like Satanus, Klarion, Boss Smiley and Circe.
 
You know,
From a legal standpoint, Truggs might actually have difficulty getting a fair and unbiased trial- I mean, he's a direct (or second tier at best) member of the Light- the deranged murder cult that Klarion the child-killer was a member of/essentially ran at one point- (which is exactly what I suspect people in-universe will assume it is when informed they were it's most powerful member)he's a former close "business" associate of the man responsible for one of modern humanity's most traumatic experiences before the Sheda invasion-
was he an active member at the time? Legit can't remember, it's been a while…

i rember OL repeatedly burning out his ability to make constructs from compassion+desire fatigue at the time, and the man did try to murder him… somewhere between two and four times- I don't think OL's being entirely unreasonable making sure he doesn't smuggle an antimatter bomb into his cell or the like…
 
Gantradies said:
You know,From a legal standpoint, Truggs might actually have difficulty getting a fair and unbiased trial- I mean, he's a direct (or second tier at best) member of the Light- the deranged murder cult that Klarion the child-killer was a member of/essentially ran at one point- (which is exactly what I suspect people in-universe will assume it is when informed they were it's most powerful member)he's a former close "business" associate of the man responsible for one of modern humanity's most traumatic experiences before the Sheda invasion-
was he an active member at the time? Legit can't remember, it's been a while…

i rember OL repeatedly burning out his ability to make constructs from compassion+desire fatigue at the time, and the man did try to murder him… somewhere between two and four times- I don't think OL's being entirely unreasonable making sure he doesn't smuggle an antimatter bomb into his cell or the like…
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It'll never get to trial, Truggs has too much to offer the US Government in exchange.

So he'll be paperclipped and end up working at Darpa or something.
 
Darko said:
True, Psycho was a horrible piece of shit, but just because someone is shit that doesn't mean you're safe from the law if you kill them.
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true. im not personally against harming someone like psycho but it would set a terrible precedent if someone got away with that.
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He has a habit of killing people who have various powerful items/tech but don't use it. When he first showed up there was an elderly woman who was a collector of superhero/villain items. Paul met her to get the Ace of Winchesters (a demon-destroying rifle), and Truggs shortly afterward killed the woman and looted her collection as he saw those items she owned that had actual power(s) as being wasted where they were.
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obviously this is terrible, but it is still a shame. he seems closest to Paul's temperament. a pretty chill dude, and he has a noble goal. maybe he'll change his mind about working with Paul this time.
 
transhumansage said:
obviously this is terrible, but it is still a shame. he seems closest to Paul's temperament. a pretty chill dude, and he has a noble goal. maybe he'll change his mind about working with Paul this time.
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He's pretty much set up as a twist on Paul's philosophy/intentions. Both want to improve Earth, both to prepare for future problems they know about (Paul from having read the comics on 'Earth Prime', Truggs from being from the future), as well as just improve things in general, but their methods and tools differ drastically. Paul has his Ring, which allows him more personal agency in affecting the world. He's also willing to take 'no' for an answer so long as it isn't blatantly self-destructive or going to affect people who are willing to accept his help.

Truggs, on the other hand, has less personal power, having to do things like his back alley enhancement clinic here, but much less restraint on what he's willing to do to achieve his goals. He'll work with criminals, steal, and so forth. And, as mentioned, willing to see people killed if he feels that they are keeping things that 'should' be actively used locked away for no reason.
 
Mr Zoat said:
She's never seen it written down.
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I just remembered something.
A Star Trek novel I read once. Don't remember much just this one line in there.
They came across some invading aliens that look like monsters from every local species old world legends.
It was something about a warrior's doll of himself he carried. Some practice of carrying a doll of herbs of your likeness to throw into a pot of hot water to make a soup so the living can taste your life.

When they researched it one of the trio likened it to a Celtic practice their research showed them. Except the spelling was Seltic.
Then one of the others said "Huh? No no. You say it with a harder 'c'. Like back in the old days. Like a 'k'. Keltic."
Thought it was a very smart piece of literature. Showing how changes of speech and spelling can happen overtime and a future man with his eyes on other species and planets not his own like Kurt wouldn't know that.
In written literature intentional misspellings are acceptable for spoken words when trying to get across accents or misspoken pronunciation.
 
Doccer said:
When they researched it one of the trio likened it to a Celtic practice their research showed them. Except the spelling was Seltic.
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There was an in universe planet called Selik that they might have conflated with it, word wise. The Setlik III massacre during the cardiassian-federation war was something that became 'front page' news for them I'm sure. A bit odd to have such things happen when you have a universal translator and a full library of human languages, but it'd be a bit strange to keep past revisions on file?
 
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There was an in universe planet called Selik that they might have conflated with it, word wise. The Setlik III massacre during the cardiassian-federation war was something that became 'front page' news for them I'm sure. A bit odd to have such things happen when you have a universal translator and a full library of human languages, but it'd be a bit strange to keep past revisions on file?
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Never heard of that.
Don't know about that.
It was Star Trek novel that where all these old timey monsters are actual species and apparently got booted off their planets by current sentient Alpha Quadrant species and now they are back.
It opens with their method if space travel affecting E=mc² and everything AQ local gets shredded at high velocity upon arrival. They fix that after the first 2-3 tries before the main force arrives.
That's all I remember. My copy is likely up stairs some where.
 
Doccer said:
I just remembered something.
A Star Trek novel I read once. Don't remember much just this one line in there.
They came across some invading aliens that look like monsters from every local species old world legends.
It was something about a warrior's doll of himself he carried. Some practice of carrying a doll of herbs of your likeness to throw into a pot of hot water to make a soup so the living can taste your life.

When they researched it one of the trio likened it to a Celtic practice their research showed them. Except the spelling was Seltic.
Then one of the others said "Huh? No no. You say it with a harder 'c'. Like back in the old days. Like a 'k'. Keltic."
Thought it was a very smart piece of literature. Showing how changes of speech and spelling can happen overtime and a future man with his eyes on other species and planets not his own like Kurt wouldn't know that.
In written literature intentional misspellings are acceptable for spoken words when trying to get across accents or misspoken pronunciation.
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Never heard of that.
Don't know about that.
It was Star Trek novel that where all these old timey monsters are actual species and apparently got booted off their planets by current sentient Alpha Quadrant species and now they are back.
It opens with their method if space travel affecting E=mc² and everything AQ local gets shredded at high velocity upon arrival. They fix that after the first 2-3 tries before the main force arrives.
That's all I remember. My copy is likely up stairs some where.
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The aliens were called Furies if i remember correctly.
 
Future Tense (part 13)
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    • 13th September 2012
    09:32 GMT -5

    "So what was up with the Sheeda?"

    Nylor face-shrugs, his bindings making his shoulders immobile.

    "I don't know. I never heard of them."

    "Really? Because they seemed like a big deal. Even if Earth fought off the Harrowing Fleet, there would have been a lot of casualties. And it would have certainly influenced the Earth's reactions to the Reach."

    Nylor sags as far as his bonds will allow him.

    "You're forgetting something. What do the Sheeda want?"

    "Raw material, food, slaves, a sense of superiority..." I nod. "If they looked back in time and saw a world devastated by the Reach, they wouldn't bother coming back."

    "Bingo. Not t' this era. Maybe I should find a way t' warn Thanagar."

    Huh.

    "Was that us?"

    "More you than me. You did a whole lot more t' improve things than I managed."

    With his protective charms gone Nylor can't stop me looking into his soul. And… He's more prideful than I am, but it's easier to be angry at historical figures who created a situation when you don't know them personally. When you aren't aware of the difficulties they were dealing with, or how they actually felt about what happened. For him, teaming up with Vandal Savage or Lex Luthor would be like me teaming up with Blackbeard or Cecil Rhodes. Or raging at Karadeg for not doing a better job of fighting off the Romans.

    "I mean, I woulda if I could… Not like I was planning on not being important enough t' change history."

    For a moment I think about trying to encourage him. Given how long he can expect to live, a few decades in prison are nothing that he can't manage. And given Ms. Waller's moves to enable prisoners to work off their debts to society, it wouldn't be that bad. And then I remember the murders he's implicated in, and what are most likely others he's committed as well. And the one he actually confessed to, of the Japanese collector he killed to take the first Bozo.

    Japan has the death penalty, but that's usually reserved for serial killers. If he only murdered one person, he'd be realistically looking at a thirty year stretch… Though diplomatic pressure could result in him serving it in Belle Reve.

    "You didn't know about Klarion, right?"

    "That he was deranged? Sure, but I don't make policy."

    "That he was planning to murder that many children."

    "I got told that I should prepare to get a hold of Starro's tissue samples while everyone was 'distracted'. I thought they were going t' call in a bomb threat."

    I raise my eyebrows, looking unimpressed.

    "Supervillain bomb threat. I mean, Gotham. Not what actually happened. Say, what's the chance of me getting the deal yah gave the big grey guy?"

    "Remember when you said that if you'd known about me before you sided with the Light, you'd have picked me?"

    He nods.

    "That's the deal you'd have got if you'd changed sides then. Finish your sentence and we'll talk."

    "You ever think that a retributive system of justice might not be all it's set up t' be?"

    "I know it's not. But I do believe in the efficacy of retribution. You should have at least sent the superheroes of this era a message, Nylor."

    "Yeah." He nods. "I think you're right. Might not of done anything, but at least I could tell yah I tried. I tell yah, I was spitting jealous when I found out what you were doing with magic."

    "The Reach not into magic?"

    "Couldn't use it on most of the worlds they moved humans to. Which meant they thought it was useless. What's your plan for getting around that restriction?"

    "Study the Dream and work out how to make it connect to other places more intensely. Mother of Mercy gave me a vision where we.. had a thing called a Root of Yggdrasil which maintained an artificial connection, but I don't know whether those can actually exist or not."

    "Was it actually a root of Yggdrasil, or was that just a brand name?"

    "Brand name. It was actually a complex piece of thaumic engineering. I've got Venturia researching it now, but it will probably be decades before we get anywhere."

    "And then, magic everywhere. No aliens are going to be ready for that."

    "A few will be. Earth's not the only place with a magic tradition."

    "But no one will be on our level."

    "Yes, that's the-."

    The floor explodes next to me! I see a brief blur of blue and red through the concrete dust before red light lashes out-

    Armour!

    -and scythes through Nylor's equipment.

    "Someone, report!"

    There's a bang as New Kara hits one of the cylinders and crumples it to wreckage as she keeps going, her impact being absorbed by the second cylinder.

    "You do not bear the mark!"

    Ah. Another Supergirl. Blue miniskirt and long-sleeved halter top with red cape. Her eyes glow red, her teeth are.. weirdly distended and there's a red 'S' burned into her forehead. The skin on her legs and hands appears to be cracking up to reveal a red light glowing from within.

    "Nylor?"

    "What, yah thought I was going t' come quietly?"

    I glance-. He's causing the skin on his forehead to bioluminesce an 'S'.

    Noriel and Angelika fly up through the hole, Angelika tanking zombie Supergirl's heat vision and metabolising it.

    "No mark!"

    Zombie Supergirl blurs forwards, striking Angelika on the side of the head before dipping under Noriel and punching her in the stomach!

    "You're just compounding your-"

    The zombie fires heat vision directly into Noriel's eyes-.

    "Ah!"

    -before backhanding her, sending her spinning into the ground, cratering the concrete. But with that heat vision boost Angelika's moving faster, fly-kicking zombie Supergirl directly in the kidneys and unlike the zombie she knows not to let up. Rather than kick and retreat she keeps on, shoving her target into and then through the wall!

    "-problem."

    "Ah, am I? How many Supergirls did you start with again?"
     
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    • This is why no one likes Truggs, he can't get over himself at all and when he sees a chance to personally get ahead he takes it. For all that he says he is all about working towards a better future he has no problem benefiting it from it and avoiding punishment whenever he can.
     
    Mr Zoat said:
    "Couldn't use it on most of the worlds they moved human to. Which meant they thought it was useless. What's your plan for getting around that restriction?"

    "Study the Dream and work out how to make it connect to other places more intensely. Mother of Mercy gave me a vision where we.. had a thing called a Root of Yggdrasil which maintained an artificial connection, but I don't now whether those can actually exist or not."
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    ' humans '

    ' know '
     
    I'm not strictly tired of Nylor Truggs? He's a could have been kind of counterpart to Paul's ways in my view. His ego and the fact that he feels too close to things like the Reach exploitation of Earth to be objective and succeed on a wider scale are interesting flaws. I liked him earlier when he was first introduced and him being a novel enemy to Paul and blindsiding Paul with tactics and schizotech. Looking back on it I liked him best during the New Year's arc with him and the shadow creature and the mercenaries and the Bozo robots.

    There might be something to the feeling that Truggs has gone for too long without a conclusion. A little. Paul's actions and his impact on others mean the Reach don't have a foothold on Earth. The same drive of a desperate time traveler looking to cross every line and work with the bad guys because shit needed to get done and there was no choice feels like it fizzled out a bit.
     
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