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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

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Vaermina said:
I'm surprised Hinon didn't call him on the obvious lie.
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It's Earth's Tech Titan. Earth is not the first thaumically active planet which places importance on technology. Alstair has been using it for longer and so has Mars.

Sure, Earth is more central and influential in the Dream, but it's Titans never had galactic levels of power.

Hell, in Zoat's version they don't even seem to have power over the whole planet, what with various pantheons each having defeated and chained their own Titans despite said Titans by necessity having shared domains at some point. Else the power of the Norse gods wouldn't be as varied and overlapping with those of the Greco-Roman ones.

Although to be fair, how that could have possibly worked in the age of the Titans when Oceanus can reach all coasts of the Atlantic while there are other "Titans" of the sea even just in Greek mythology (Pontus, Thalassa), let alone all the other mythologies that count as "true" on Earth-16 is anyone's guess.
 
Rafin said:
Although to be fair, how that could have possibly worked in the age of the Titans when Oceanus can reach all coasts of the Atlantic while there are other "Titans" of the sea even just in Greek mythology (Pontus, Thalassa), let alone all the other mythologies that count as "true" on Earth-16 is anyone's guess.
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Maybe Oceanus could overpower those other Titans, or they all had some deal with each other, or they simply didn't care.
 
Mr Zoat said:
Back on Earth Prime, the idea that 'Nationalist China' could ever take back the rest of the country is ludicrous. I'm not sure who didn't get the message in Taiwan Sixteen, but once I've shut this place down quietly then Batman can take as long as he needs to find out. Without starting World War Three.
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I thought the Justice League didn't police governments like that?

Where unless they wanted to take over and start ruling the world, they didn't get into stuff like deciding whether 'should country A be allowed to invade country B because country A doesn't like how country B is run' Especially when country B is some place like China.
 
Bramble Thorn said:
I thought the Justice League didn't police governments like that?

Where unless they wanted to take over and start ruling the world, they didn't get into stuff like deciding whether 'should country A be allowed to invade country B because country A doesn't like how country B is run' Especially when country B is some place like China.
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You could make a case that the League shouldn't have involved itself if it was official Taiwan government policy, but it's not. It's a rogue general and some politicians. Plus, the League has a stong anti-WW3 position.
 
I think I remember Paul saying that he not only did the 'DBZ' finger on the head for the giggles, but as a distraction. If everyone believes he needs to put the fingers on the forehead to teleport, his enemies will be surprised when he teleports without doing the signal.
 
Lothlo said:
I think I remember Paul saying that he not only did the 'DBZ' finger on the head for the giggles, but as a distraction. If everyone believes he needs to put the fingers on the forehead to teleport, his enemies will be surprised when he teleports without doing the signal.
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IIRC, it's also because him just suddenly disappearing is alarming for people that don't know him well.
 
Flightless Man said:
This is sadly the first time I realized what he was doing. I press on my temples to concentrate and thought Paul has been doing that to visualize his target better this whole time.
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I'm not familiar, link to a clip?

jasonh23761 said:
Yeah, that's fair. I'm not a big fan of most of the classics play wise. Frustrated my Mom and her one woman quest to ensure I was a cultured child.

Still if you want someone who is truly overrated, Henry David Thoreau, particularly Walden. I had an English (American) Literature teacher who swore by him in grade school.
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Walden's pretty decent but you have to skip the first chapter or two about building the house. And also he was a poseur who did his laundry at Mom's house the whole time.

Shakespeare's legitimately hilarious, but for whatever reason schools focus on the tragedies. Which are also very good, but much less accessible.
 
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Mr Zoat said:
You could make a case that the League shouldn't have involved itself if it was official Taiwan government policy, but it's not. It's a rogue general and some politicians. Plus, the League has a stong anti-WW3 position.
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Ah,

I just feel if you are going to go around confiscating War Robots stamped with 'Made in Tiawan' on them, but then refuse to confiscate the nuclear weapons or address 'fun' things like oppressive regimes 'reeducation' camps or 'we are most definitely not ethnically cleansing the people in that one corner of our country' stuff, you need to get your priorities straight. Where it looks like you are not being anti-war so much as anti-superscience.

Like 'explode all the people into giblets you want with conventional ordinance, but don't you dare break out the sonic weaponry!'
...But I guess 'black ops have no government protection from League intervention' does work as a policy.

Mr Zoat said:
Rank 2 on QQ! Oh yeah! Coming for you, Cherico!
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Unfortunately not. He posts story posts more often than you, while also getting several likes from story posts.
The numbers don't add up, because he's currently gaining likes faster then you are.
You gained on the others tortoise vs hare style. Steady, consistent posting gaining a hundred some likes a day, every single day, over people who may have been there longer and had a head start, but write chapters less frequently.
 
Bramble Thorn said:
Ah,

I just feel if you are going to go around confiscating War Robots stamped with 'Made in Tiawan' on them, but then refuse to confiscate the nuclear weapons or address 'fun' things like oppressive regimes 'reeducation' camps or 'we are most definitely not ethnically cleansing the people in that one corner of our country' stuff, you need to get your priorities straight. Where it looks like you are not being anti-war so much as anti-superscience.

Like 'explode all the people into giblets you want with conventional ordinance, but don't you dare break out the sonic weaponry!'
...But I guess 'black ops have no government protection from League intervention' does work as a policy.
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One person doing something evil is a crime, a million people doing it is perfectly normal.
Unfortunately not. He posts story posts more often than you, while also getting several likes from story posts.
The numbers don't add up, because he's currently gaining likes faster then you are.
You gained on the others tortoise vs hare style. Steady, consistent posting gaining a hundred some likes a day, every single day, over people who may have been there longer and had a head start, but write chapters less frequently.
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Is he significantly older than me?
 
PDV said:
Walden's pretty decent but you have to skip the first chapter or two about building the house. And also he was a poseur who did his laundry at Mom's house the whole time.

Shakespeare's legitimately hilarious, but for whatever reason schools focus on the tragedies. Which are also very good, but much less accessible.
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In fairness, I might have liked it more had the teacher not been so adamant about it. Also you do have a point, the comedies tend to be more accessible.

Still overrated in my opinion but definitely more accessible.

Darko said:
By this logic, the Nazis were perfectly normal.
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Without getting too close to the current events rule, I will say an argument could be made that what made the Nazis unusual was the location of their actions and comparative choice of targets. Especially when one takes into account various actions in Africa and the East by European powers over the centuries and Japan during the lead up to and during WWII.

(Also tried editing my post instead of double posting to respond. Hopefully this works?
 
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So is Blitzen switching back and forth with what words she can't say on purpose, is OL's ring trying to compensate or did you just miss these?

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20th October 2012
21:42 GMT -5


"That vas a accurate assessment. Did you have that one saved up for long?"


"Taking my place in the Neu Reichsmen while I am here. She and Overman are planning somethink, but I just vant them to spent a little time together. He does not like to show it, but he was very scared when she disappeared."


"Danke schön, vater. For a degenerate whose culture is based on that of the two vorts I am not meant to say, you are not too bad either."


"Okay, but that vas not the vort I vas going to use."


"I try to avoid self-deception. I know vhat ve are."


"It doesn't mesh with superhumans. We're supposed to be… Ah… Elevated, jah? Above petty concerns and slave morality. We don't get normal lives. The women are supposed to conform to woman social ideas unt also not, because we are above that. And if you are a madman in command of a project that can produce superhumans, then you were always right and everything you did to make them was right. They didn't even give me a name other than 'Blitzen'."

"Jah, that was very funny. 'Hallo everyone, here is Blitzen, our latest ubermensch, unbound by personal identification but rather a pure expression of an ideal'. 'Jah, but you can call me Johanna Garrick.'" She grins. "I thought they were going to shit themselves!"


"It's the 'survival of the fittest' part of the philosophy. They let madmen do mad things, and if it doesn't work out? Kill them. The idea was that superhumans naturally vould conform to the higher morality and so to Nazi ideals, because of course that makes sense."


"I said mad scientist, jah? The people who kept going with superhuman cloning research vhen Overman banned them from vorking on his body. They dream a mad dream and do not understand why no one else alzo dreams it."


She looks around, then shrugs. "It is okay? On a political level, I do not believe that refusing to ask a question is better than getting the answer wrong. There are many things that your civilisation has that are worse than mine. Is deliberate murder worse than a dereliction of duty which leads to even more deaths?"

"And we did not have the communists. Our civilisation is stronk, vhere as yours could not come together even during an invasion of your whole vorld. The Other Flash feels zo terrible for killing their queen when he should be exalted as a hero.
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Mr Zoat said:
"Is this any good?"

Eris notices where my hand was and looks away, rolling her eyes and shaking her head. I raise my index and middle fingers at her. Hephaestus on the other hand takes the ring and stares at it hard.

"I'm.. not sure. Hecate?"

Space around the ring warps and glows as she applies arcane power to the ring. Which seems completely unaffected.

"It… Might? What is it? Where did you get it?"

"From a friend. What else do you need?"
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Oddly enough, Hera might be the best one for understanding that ring. After all, it's ultimately a child-minding device
 
jonasquinn said:
This may be an unpopular opinion but I genuinely believe that DBZ Abridged is the better version
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I honestly tend to prefer the abridged versions of most anime. You loose some characterization sure but you excise a metric ton of filler.

It helps TFS is genuinely talented and passionate in regards to their abridged series.
 
jasonh23761 said:
I honestly tend to prefer the abridged versions of most anime. You loose some characterization sure but you excise a metric ton of filler.

It helps TFS is genuinely talented and passionate in regards to their abridged series.
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Mr. Perfect Cell was better than any villain in the OG franchise bar none...

Hey Zoat, are we getting any Pauls in any abridged series?
 
Coup Data (part 18)
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    18:15 GMT +3

    Hecate glares at me.

    "What sort of friend could you have that has a device like this? If you've been talking to Kamrušepa behind my back, then-."

    "Psh." Eris scoffs. "It's a ring. He's a Lantern."

    "Goo goo g'joob."

    She grins and holds out her right hand for a high five. I give her a high five.

    Hecate glares at her. "This is exactly why it's been eight hundred years since we last spoke. What are you talking about?"

    "Lanterns. They use-." Eris regards her curiously. "Wait, you don't know what a Lantern is?"

    "I've heard the term used for this mortal. What else does it mean?"

    Because she's been in Erebos for… Since the end of the Greek Classical era, and so not only hasn't met any Lanterns other than me, but hasn't even heard of the Green Lantern Corps.

    "The Green Lantern Corps is an interstellar policing organisation. Maltus is the name of the homeworld of the species who run it. That ring was made by one of them. The Orange Lantern Corps is an organisation to help egotists make themselves useful, and it's run by members of the same species. Members of both organisations are commonly referred to as 'Lanterns'."

    "I see." She goes back to looking at it. "Do they have experience with titans?"

    "Probably. They're pretty old."

    Hera lets out a short burst of laughter and then covers her mouth with her right fist, and I remind myself that just because she's been out and about in the world doesn't mean that she has Justice League type access to information.

    "Paul, I'm something like fifteen thousand years old."

    "I apologise. They're extremely old. A million plus years each. They use rings like that to help their children learn to control their exotic abilities. It's like stabilisers on a child's first bicycle for them."

    The assembled divines look at each other a little awkwardly.

    "So going back to my question, you wanted something that connected to the collective unconscious of the human species?"

    Given the direct question, Hecate recovers first. "Yes, though a powerful relic of the Dream may suffice. I doubt that such a thing-."

    "Excuse me again."

    I

    27th October 2012
    13:17 GMT -2

    appear in.. Queen Mera's office. Young Artur is playing with some sort of carousel nearby. She spots me at once, looking at me with an air of confused curiosity.

    "That's not supposed to be possible."

    "And are we happy about that or-?"

    The water around me freezes, because while the spell couldn't detect me directly it could detect the sound I was making. Clever.

    Queen Mera rises from her seat, her right hand wreathed in a turquoise glow as she waves it. The ice melts at once and I nod politely.

    "I assume you're here to get access to the Oceanus relics? We decided that it was best to base the research team on Santa Porto rather than bring the items back here, but I am happy to introduce you to the team working on the problem."

    "No, that's not necessary at the moment, thank you. I'm here for the Spear of Destiny."

    "I…" She appears to hesitate, but I can just about make out her activating a dozen or so minor spells. Not entirely sure what they do, but I'm more… I don't know, disappointed? That she didn't cast them the moment I arrived. "I can release it to you, but given what it does, I would like an explanation."

    "Oh, I'm not handing it over to Venturia, if that's what you're worried about."

    "Actually, I find Venturia's research quite interesting. I've known King Cyprian on and off for years. I don't think we have anything to worry about militarily from that quarter."

    "Well, no, and I'm glad to hear it."

    "Though I would like to know what you will use it for. The Spear of Destiny is an arcane tool of incredible power."

    "Are you aware of what's happening with Diana?"

    "Yes, Orin told me when he passed on the message from Batman regarding Santa Porto."

    "The goddess Hecate thinks that the Spear could be used to more easily bind Hephaestus to the… Dream of Technology, empowering him to the point where he may be able to force Zeus to behave himself. I'm afraid that the thaumaturgy is a little beyond-."

    "It would act to stabilise the connection. And it would force the minds of all humans on Earth towards more technological lines of thinking. Orange Lantern, that is why we have avoided using it."

    "Humans are using the same brain structure now as we used when our ancestors were hunter gatherers. Biological evolution hasn't kept up with social evolution, and it causes a plethora of problems in the modern world. But that's not the problem I'm trying to correct today."

    "There is no way to isolate the Spear's effect."

    "True, but given that we're not all National Socialists, I don't believe that its power is overwhelming. Besides, we only need it to set the ritual up. Once it's running… Or completed, we can put the Spear back in isolation."

    "I want to see the ritual you are describing."

    "No problem. We're working on it in Lady Hecate's home in Erebos. I can get you there in a couple of minutes. Though I will warn you in advance that Lady Hecate has been making less than enthusiastic noises about having anyone check her work. Also, they haven't finished working out how to actually do it yet."

    Queen Mera considers it for a moment.

    "Are you certain that this is necessary to free Diana?"

    "Maybe, maybe not. But I'm not the proportional response guy. I'm the brutal retribution guy. We'll keep working on this with or without the Spear. The Spear will just make it easier."

    She nods. "Very well. I must inform my husband first, but I can release the Spear to you."

    "Thank you. Will Artur be joining us, or do you need to arrange a babysitter?"

    She considers that for a moment. "Would he be safe in the Greek underworld?"

    "In Erebos, amongst a horde of Hecate-worshipping shades at least some of whom are Amazons, as a guest of their goddess? I should think so. Certainly wouldn't have to worry about Purist assassins or alien invaders."

    "I will speak with my husband first." She swims over to scoop up Artur, who babbles excitedly to her. "Come with me."
     
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