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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)
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I disagree. Being an asshole is his defining trait. If for whatever reason he stops being it, it's less likely that he changed and a lot more that he is being brainwashed.
It's true that major personality change impacts more, but it's not necessary. Let's go with Mass Effect characters. Tali had a long way from hating Geth to helping them, yet the way she interacts with is not much different from first to third part. Jack went from biotic psycho to biotic teacher of all things, yet she's still her rude and direct self when we see her. Mordin, Miranda. Liara is the only character I remember whose personality changed beyond cosmetics.
I think change mean "what would a person do or won't do now compared to before". For Renegade, his latest change was not that he's rude again. It was him trusting Artemis with his real origin.
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Paul would probably have a better time asking Hecate for info on her.
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Always a good man to quote.
Nope, it's both. "Untermensch" can fight the National Socialists, they can run from the National Socialist, they can hide from the National Socialists and at least some can even live a halfway decent life doing so as shown by Overgirl's "aunt".
On the Hell Earth Hell has pretty literally come to Earth, legit Satanic cults are everywhere and at any moment Demon Lord Superman or one of his Demon possessed colleges might kill you just because. They might kill someone you care about or you pet just to see you suffer.
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27th October 2012
18:58 GMT
"And yet, you're still sane."
Diataria Lysis regards Prime Minister Lantern Geoffrey Talbot with… I'm not sure. Between the cybernetic eyes and lack of eyebrows I'm having a little trouble parsing her expression. Fascination? Bewilderment? Raw animal lust?
"So it seems." Geoffrey steps out of the upright scanning module, picking up his shirt from the nearby bench. He may be in his late fifties, but he's definitely made an effort to get back into the sort of physical shape that would allow him to meet the Metropolitan Police Force's requirements. And I know his ring doesn't help with that. "Is there anything else?"
"How? How are you doing this?"
"Tell me, Weaponer Lysis." He slides his shirt over his arms and starts buttoning it up. "Have you ever loved anyone?"
"No."
"Anything? Anything at all? Your.. homeworld, your culture, perhaps?"
"Love? No."
"Spend all of your time working in a place like this?" Geoffrey closes the top button and tucks the bottom of the shirt into his trousers. "I understand what it's like, making the job your life. But if you never value anything outside yourself… You'll never know the rage that you feel when someone maliciously takes it away from you from nothing more than spite. The rage you feel at yourself for not… Realising what was happening while you could still have done something about it. Or the certainty that as… Satisfying as it might be to try to beat the bastards to death with your bare hands, that would let a great many of those responsible escape."
"So it must be directed inwardly and outwardly and once."
"Grayven, what do the seven colours correspond to?"
"Hate and anger, avarice, fear, will, hope, compassion and love."
"Have you ever felt hope, Weaponer Lysis? Or made someone else feel it?"
"I hope not."
"Compassion, perhaps. Have you ever been guided by compassion?"
"I'm a Weaponer!"
"Seven emotions, Weaponer Lysis. I've felt them all in their turns, and I think I've inspired them, too. You haven't. Power rings require an understanding of emotion that you don't have. This technology?" He looks around at her workshop. "It can only get you so far. The problem is you."
Her breath hisses in through her teeth, then back out again in a sharp huff. Then a hiss. Then a huff.
"If I did not think that you were right, I would slay you where you stand."
"If you weren't making yourself useful I would kill you to bring peace to your past victims." He puts on his jacket. "Unless there's anything else, I have a country to run."
"Go."
I let him lead the way out of the laboratory. The complex has grown quite a bit since he first visited, and while I know that Weaponer Lysis prizes her intellect I'm not totally convinced that she'll make it to the firing range before she starts throwing the qwa-bolts around. Best that my body is between my ally and enough hard radiation to incinerate a man.
Geoffrey doesn't say anything as he marches out, and I'm content to carry on at amble-speed. And I know that he's always angry, but I also know that certain types of encounter leave him more stressed than others. Weaponer Lysis would definitely be on his kill list if she appeared back on Earth, and he's not entirely happy about me keeping her on.
Ground level outside of the headquarters of the Orange Lantern Corps (Tamaran Branch) has been nicely landscaped, a row of bushes wrapping around the walkway leading to a garden, though the view into the distance isn't as… Pastoral as it once was. With a few hundred Lanterns working the problem, Tamaran has skipped several stages of industrial development and gone straight onto post-industrial wonderland. I can see half a dozen space elevators from here with my unaided eyes, and if I turned around-
I mean, if I turned around and could see through the building.
-then I'd see the other half. All necessary to police Other Grayven's followers when they realise exactly what happened. And to keep some ships on station in case Diana needs the support.
"Why do you keep her here?"
"Because I don't trust the Controllers and can't make rings myself."
"Is there really no one else?"
"There's a planet full of Maltusians but I don't know any of them. And I can't think of any reason why they'd accept a subordinate position to work with me. This is all a big deal for me -and the people of Tamaran- but if the Maltusians were interested in empire-building then they'd have an actual empire."
Probably best to take his mind off it.
"How are things in Britain?"
"Everything's on track. If I'm lucky, I won't have to stand for re-election. Certainly not more than one more term."
Purging an entire civil service isn't something that happens over night. And it's not just the cannibal rapists; there were more than a few who… I believe that the term is 'Deep State'? People who joined a supposedly apolitical agency with the intent of controlling policy. Relatively petty stuff but they were in violation of their oaths and the law, so they had to go. Which in turn has made it quite a lot harder to actually run things, because joking aside middle managers do actually do things.
I like the genomorphs, but I'm… A little uncomfortable to see them effectively soft couping my old country. Fortunately, events have energised the population to the point that there are plenty of people applying for the positions, but there are only so many people you can bring into an organisation at a time.
"Economy's picking up, and we're back in the UN. As much good as that does us."
As a bit of a reward for the total purge and corruption levels unknown to human societies outside of Africa -and wouldn't that have been a joke a year ago- Lex and I decided that energy costs in Britain would be noticeably lower than in other countries with equivalent economic development. Combine that with the income from ship production, the only reason the British economy wasn't picking up more is fear; both of what the former ruling class had been up to or the methods used to remove them.
"Do you still need to be there ramming things through?"
"Not quite so much, but I'd rather keep at it. I'd rather get it done faster and knock off quicker."
"And then off to the Lords? I understand that they've acquired a few vacancies."
"Hah. I'd rather not. But I do have unique experience to bring to the role. I'll see-"
BOOM! BOOM! BOOM! BOOM!
"-how I-."
We both generate construct armour as the boom tubes open.
"What the devil? Grayven?"
"I'm not expecting anyone. Who-?"
A scintillating ray of light strikes me in the chest as some arsehole in white pyjamas flies through the closest aperture at high speed. Exposure to Misa allows me to sidestep, though not counter as he-
"Hah!"
-laughs and flies into the air.
"What the hell are-?"
The bush in front of us leaps up and attacks me!
18:58 GMT
"And yet, you're still sane."
Diataria Lysis regards Prime Minister Lantern Geoffrey Talbot with… I'm not sure. Between the cybernetic eyes and lack of eyebrows I'm having a little trouble parsing her expression. Fascination? Bewilderment? Raw animal lust?
"So it seems." Geoffrey steps out of the upright scanning module, picking up his shirt from the nearby bench. He may be in his late fifties, but he's definitely made an effort to get back into the sort of physical shape that would allow him to meet the Metropolitan Police Force's requirements. And I know his ring doesn't help with that. "Is there anything else?"
"How? How are you doing this?"
"Tell me, Weaponer Lysis." He slides his shirt over his arms and starts buttoning it up. "Have you ever loved anyone?"
"No."
"Anything? Anything at all? Your.. homeworld, your culture, perhaps?"
"Love? No."
"Spend all of your time working in a place like this?" Geoffrey closes the top button and tucks the bottom of the shirt into his trousers. "I understand what it's like, making the job your life. But if you never value anything outside yourself… You'll never know the rage that you feel when someone maliciously takes it away from you from nothing more than spite. The rage you feel at yourself for not… Realising what was happening while you could still have done something about it. Or the certainty that as… Satisfying as it might be to try to beat the bastards to death with your bare hands, that would let a great many of those responsible escape."
"So it must be directed inwardly and outwardly and once."
"Grayven, what do the seven colours correspond to?"
"Hate and anger, avarice, fear, will, hope, compassion and love."
"Have you ever felt hope, Weaponer Lysis? Or made someone else feel it?"
"I hope not."
"Compassion, perhaps. Have you ever been guided by compassion?"
"I'm a Weaponer!"
"Seven emotions, Weaponer Lysis. I've felt them all in their turns, and I think I've inspired them, too. You haven't. Power rings require an understanding of emotion that you don't have. This technology?" He looks around at her workshop. "It can only get you so far. The problem is you."
Her breath hisses in through her teeth, then back out again in a sharp huff. Then a hiss. Then a huff.
"If I did not think that you were right, I would slay you where you stand."
"If you weren't making yourself useful I would kill you to bring peace to your past victims." He puts on his jacket. "Unless there's anything else, I have a country to run."
"Go."
I let him lead the way out of the laboratory. The complex has grown quite a bit since he first visited, and while I know that Weaponer Lysis prizes her intellect I'm not totally convinced that she'll make it to the firing range before she starts throwing the qwa-bolts around. Best that my body is between my ally and enough hard radiation to incinerate a man.
Geoffrey doesn't say anything as he marches out, and I'm content to carry on at amble-speed. And I know that he's always angry, but I also know that certain types of encounter leave him more stressed than others. Weaponer Lysis would definitely be on his kill list if she appeared back on Earth, and he's not entirely happy about me keeping her on.
Ground level outside of the headquarters of the Orange Lantern Corps (Tamaran Branch) has been nicely landscaped, a row of bushes wrapping around the walkway leading to a garden, though the view into the distance isn't as… Pastoral as it once was. With a few hundred Lanterns working the problem, Tamaran has skipped several stages of industrial development and gone straight onto post-industrial wonderland. I can see half a dozen space elevators from here with my unaided eyes, and if I turned around-
I mean, if I turned around and could see through the building.
-then I'd see the other half. All necessary to police Other Grayven's followers when they realise exactly what happened. And to keep some ships on station in case Diana needs the support.
"Why do you keep her here?"
"Because I don't trust the Controllers and can't make rings myself."
"Is there really no one else?"
"There's a planet full of Maltusians but I don't know any of them. And I can't think of any reason why they'd accept a subordinate position to work with me. This is all a big deal for me -and the people of Tamaran- but if the Maltusians were interested in empire-building then they'd have an actual empire."
Probably best to take his mind off it.
"How are things in Britain?"
"Everything's on track. If I'm lucky, I won't have to stand for re-election. Certainly not more than one more term."
Purging an entire civil service isn't something that happens over night. And it's not just the cannibal rapists; there were more than a few who… I believe that the term is 'Deep State'? People who joined a supposedly apolitical agency with the intent of controlling policy. Relatively petty stuff but they were in violation of their oaths and the law, so they had to go. Which in turn has made it quite a lot harder to actually run things, because joking aside middle managers do actually do things.
I like the genomorphs, but I'm… A little uncomfortable to see them effectively soft couping my old country. Fortunately, events have energised the population to the point that there are plenty of people applying for the positions, but there are only so many people you can bring into an organisation at a time.
"Economy's picking up, and we're back in the UN. As much good as that does us."
As a bit of a reward for the total purge and corruption levels unknown to human societies outside of Africa -and wouldn't that have been a joke a year ago- Lex and I decided that energy costs in Britain would be noticeably lower than in other countries with equivalent economic development. Combine that with the income from ship production, the only reason the British economy wasn't picking up more is fear; both of what the former ruling class had been up to or the methods used to remove them.
"Do you still need to be there ramming things through?"
"Not quite so much, but I'd rather keep at it. I'd rather get it done faster and knock off quicker."
"And then off to the Lords? I understand that they've acquired a few vacancies."
"Hah. I'd rather not. But I do have unique experience to bring to the role. I'll see-"
BOOM! BOOM! BOOM! BOOM!
"-how I-."
We both generate construct armour as the boom tubes open.
"What the devil? Grayven?"
"I'm not expecting anyone. Who-?"
A scintillating ray of light strikes me in the chest as some arsehole in white pyjamas flies through the closest aperture at high speed. Exposure to Misa allows me to sidestep, though not counter as he-
"Hah!"
-laughs and flies into the air.
"What the hell are-?"
The bush in front of us leaps up and attacks me!
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Maybe all three.
'I know that'
'leaves'
'aside, middle'
'attacks'
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That should say 'Branch'.
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I doubt the fellows here are related to the Lords of Order and Chaos who empowered the twin brothers. I doubt any Lantern faction is attempting something here. This doesn't seem like (a reincarnated) Dr Sivana's style. The Reach haven't indicated they possess this kind of magic.
My first optimistic guess is someone from another universe. My second is that Brainiac the First is doing something clever through indirect action (disposable mooks).
My first optimistic guess is someone from another universe. My second is that Brainiac the First is doing something clever through indirect action (disposable mooks).
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It's interesting how much two little strips of hair play in facial expressions, isn't it? Much harder to process what the forehead and brow is doing without that simple indicator... Which is going to be interesting if Humanity ever encounters aliens who lack that sort of thing.
Ah, it's good to see him again. The only human, in the Renegade timeline at least, to have gained Rage Enlightenment, without even laying hands on a Power Ring.
That'd practically be blasphemy, wouldn't it? Qward definitely lacks in the cooler emotional colours
Hate, Want, Fear? Those are easy for Qwardians... They've never lacked for the hotter emotions.
Man... I wonder how his Paragon universe equivalent is getting along these days. Probably a little happier after the Angel's Day, I bet.
Heh. Making a point, are we? I wonder if she'll be able to understand it?
That's practically be grounds for execution, I would not be surprised.
That'd be seen as a defect. She'd have never made it into her teens if she had.
Honestly, If Kalmin was anything like her, I'm amazed he worked out how to forge Hope into a Lantern.
Ah, good, she did take the hint.
Promises, promises. That's probably the Weaponer equivalent of flirting...
So, he might enjoy a sidetrip to kill some arseholes on the way home...
Just make sure they don't forget to maintain their environment. It'd be poor form to save their world, only to ruin it via pollution.
Ah, they still haven't caught on, eh? Let's hope you can cow them into subservience when they do.
Ah, if only you hadn't taken the 'New God' skill path, instead of the 'Light Shaman'...
And because of his temperament, he won't accept partners or rulers. He's merely kow-towing to Darkseid in order to nobble him later.
Ah, the one thing worse than demon-worshippers, eh?
And all the new guys have no idea about the little tricks the old guys used to keep things running smoothly.
And I suspect some of the people going for it are the last ones you'd want anywhere near power in the first place?
Heh. Not quite a new Golden Age of Britain, but slowly getting there?
...Before he feels the need to actually use his ring on someone during Question Time?
An advisory position, perhaps?
Well, that's not good... Darkseid poking the Renegade, or is New Genesis trying something foolish?
Ah, for once he doesn't have to keep his eye on an ally during the fight...
'White Pyjamas'? Could be Solis a.k.a Lightray, perhaps?
Hmm... Maybe an attack, maybe a 'courtesy' visit?
This, I can't place. Sadly, I couldn't find any New Genesisian with plant-control powers...
So, likely that the New Gods are choosing to pay 'Grayven' a visit.
But why now? Why here? A misguided attempt to overthrow him, bring down his empire? Or a foolish attempt at diplomacy? The number of portals suggests an attack, but the first one through should have gone for an alpha strike, then. Yet he didn't. I suppose we'll see soon enough what's going on...Joelseph14
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I think you mean "(Tamaran Branch)"
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He's dead.
Died during the Sheeda invasion, though he may have been happy after the Angels destroyed the Caligula Club.
Unfortunately they only focused on the demon worshipping members, so the ones that didn't do that are still alive.
You read my mind.
Either Zoat made them up or he found dome obscure character.
So, likely that the New Gods are choosing to pay 'Grayven' a visit.
My first thought was that they were trying to bring him down, but now that you mentioned diplomacy, maybe this is some weird New God version of it and attacking him serves as some kind if show if their skills so that he would take them seriously.
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Mr Zoat mentioned that he was killed by the Sheeda in the Paragon timeline.
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You've previously highlighted actions by different-coloured Lanterns with alternate words, e.g. when Stewart and Scott were working together; since Talbot doesn't have an orange ring I'm guessing this is Grayven using yellow and Talbot using red, so maybe try something like:
"both" or "both generate", the latter if Talbot's reaction time is slightly slower?
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OK wut?
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PM of ReneBritain is talking with a weaponer and just about managing not to K.O.S her for being a bit too much like the former rulers of the UK who got purged, then someone attacked Tamaran
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Well given the Boom Tubes, plus the attacker apparently having energy powers and wearing white, it's most likely Lightray, like Chojin said.
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Maybe it's White Ring Paul going from universe to universe destroying all his corrupted counterparts.
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That would be the Hell thing. You know, the terrible place with the rather low entry threshold for admittance, and the
Oblivion is one of the ok mediums between suffering, and joy.
Spiritual death is better than 'spiritual fate worse than spiritual death'
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That would be very out of character for Paul, he usually gives people a chance to explain themselves first.
EDIT: Even with Zeus I imagine he's going to let him speak First and the preparations are just in case.
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Thank you, corrected.
I think these are correct as they are.
Thank you, corrected.
No. Geoffrey doesn't show red text due to his enlightenment, in much the same way that the SI doesn't show orange.
I'm not planning to include a Keeper of Secrets in this story.
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Last time Grayven made contact with Orion he asked/taunted him so he would appear in the way of the original Grayven to delay his incoming assault.
I guess Orion and his pals are coming to beat the crap out of Grayven without knowing they are a couple months late and that the Grayven they are going to beat up isn't the evil one anymore.
I guess Orion and his pals are coming to beat the crap out of Grayven without knowing they are a couple months late and that the Grayven they are going to beat up isn't the evil one anymore.
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He's not an original character, but he is from Hellblazer, so it's possible he just doesn't have a page of his own.
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Oh.
New Gods.
Yay.
New Gods.
Yay.
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He's a police detective during the second arc of Hellblazer, the one with the satanic masons.
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i think you meant to say "closest aperture"
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Indeed I did.
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Or it's a plant meta given New God apotheosis.
We know that Apokalips has the technology, there's no reason to think that no New Genesis ever decided to join the party.
This doesn't have to be this world's New Genesis, after all, the New Gods can slide between worlds.
Maybe Isis is a New God somewhere in this story. Or maybe one of the saner Poison Ivies.
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