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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

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Vaermina said:
Did he?

Or did he get out any number of legal ways?

And even if he did? Who's to say he didn't get a pardon for it due to doing something like helping in the Sheda invasion.
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He broke out of Belle Reve and has been in the wind until now. It was in the same episode where Paul convinced Waller and John Quinn to put the Tower of Fate there for magic using criminals.
 
Chojin Patriarch said:
The joy of connections. Heck, if it works out, he might well be able to arrange a trade deal. I'm sure Euanthe can contribute some clever things to J and Alstair.
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I don't think so.

She may not like how the two worlds use their plant magic.

Chojin Patriarch said:
Hmm... Now what would Johnny-boy be doing in Ireland, hmm?
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Maybe he's drinking more transmuted holy beer.

Chojin Patriarch said:
Hmm. To the Wikis!
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Which are sadly missing a lot of information!

Chojin Patriarch said:
Oh, hell. Literally. Not him again. Almost as annoying as Truggs. But less likely to cause a disaster directly.
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Though he has caused a lot of disasters.

And unlike Truggs, he has the decency to not show up as much.

Chojin Patriarch said:
to hurt John directly is out now that he's well out of the Demon's league. But messing with his loved ones, as discreetly as he can manage? That might work
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I think he failed at raping Gemma in this story, so trying to hurt others John cares about could be his motive.
 
Mr Zoat said:
Should I join you?"

"That-."

I want to say, 'that won't be necessary, thank you', but the fact is that my relationship with the British government is nothing like good enough to storm in, do my thing and then leave without it causing a huge mess for everyone else. Whereas Dr. Balewa has a Justice League warrant, can legally make arrests and is by default treated as the expert that he is in the field of magic
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Paul can learn! Also I really like Dr. Mist, he's very reasonable and thoughtful.

Chojin Patriarch said:
Given how... Lively... Transit through the Honden can be, I'm not surprised he's taking every precaution to ensure his little treat arrives in the same shape he left J with. I am impressed that he got one so quickly. :D All of two hours to score an early production model?
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Making a diplomatic connection between two planets with compatible enough technology that they can cause each others to advance does come with some perks.
 
I figured john with actual power now was running around cleaning up any of his old messes he was guilty about causing when he was always scraping by the skin of his teeth.
 
Mr Zoat said:
John, clean up after himself?
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Strange things happen all the time.

Honestly, if John is behind this then maybe he thought he can make his old flame happy with a new man and he can also make Demon Constantine happy if he altered him and he does it because he brought his wretched existence into being, so maybe he can make it up to him like this.

It's crazy, but then again, John isn't sane.
 
It'd be quite a novel idea that John goes for general reconciliation with his past friends, foes and exes. Give Demon Constantine and one of the exes a happy ending, maybe find an alternate timeline Zindella to replace one that Giovanni lost ala Injustice Dr Fate. The idea that a John Constantine takes some time off to try and peacefully tie up loose ends is wacky enough to fit a Lord of Chaos' MO, and then Paul the Orange Wrecking Ball comes along right after absolutely bollocks all of it up just cause he wants to find John.
 
Wivk said:
I figured john with actual power now was running around cleaning up any of his old messes he was guilty about causing when he was always scraping by the skin of his teeth.
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Mr Zoat said:
John, clean up after himself?
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Ok I see words but none of them make any sense, John cleaning up after himself and not making things worse?
That simply doesn't happen.


PrinceJonathan said:
If the desires weren't in Demon Constantine a year ago, does that hint they were artificially shoved inside his head?

Did the real John modify his Demon counterpart's desires to use him as a decoy?
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Typical Constantine Move right there.

Darko said:
Honestly, if John is behind this then maybe he thought he can make his old flame happy with a new man and he can also make Demon Constantine happy if he altered him and he does it because he brought his wretched existence into being, so maybe he can make it up to him like this.
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Now Poorly thought out good intentions in an attempt to clean up old messes and having them go pear shaped is the John Constantine we know and barely tolerate.

and Paul being the one to Ruin it all is just Typical paul.
 
Mr Zoat said:
"...But if you get there, then-"

"Hugo's the head of state."

"-go him." I nod at Euanthe and Mr. Zatara.
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Is this supposed to be 'go him' as in "Go team!", or is it supposed to be 'go to him' or something? The former doesn't make much sense here and I'm not sure what else it could be intended to mean.
 
I thought the reason constantine was always lying, cheating, and making a mess of things was at least partially because of not being powerful enough to fix shit straight up with brute force. I also thought he had alot of guilt for some of his capers going sideways that he always would have done differently if he had any other reasonable options. Now he has power and options, it didnt seem impossible to me that he would have character growth, but i am not really familiar with his comics either.
 
Wivk said:
I thought the reason constantine was always lying, cheating, and making a mess of things was at least partially because of not being powerful enough to fix shit straight up with brute force. I also thought he had alot of guilt for some of his capers going sideways that he always would have done differently if he had any other reasonable options. Now he has power and options, it didnt seem impossible to me that he would have character growth, but i am not really familiar with his comics either.
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Well yes and no.

Constantine is the Laughing Magician. The Fool, the Trickster, coyote, raven, bugs bunny.

Luck goes his way, which is probably why he gets by the skin of his teeth while his friends die or suffer fates worse than death.

The same power Golden Boy used to rewrite his world until he was a Mary Sue who was the greatest mage in the world, usher Great Britain into a Golden Age, rule the world, and to know him was to love him and to not know him was to love him from afar.

So his power didn't lie in brute force but guile and luck.

One post flashpoint story has him going to a world with different magic laws and he found he couldn't lie.

So as for abandoning luck and guile, as a Lord of Order with the power of Synchronicity he should be even better with guile and luck, as this sub plot would seem to indicate.
 
Dear John (part 6)
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    "…John Fecking Constantine!"

    I nod sympathetically as Ms. Ryan paces, rants and gesticulates. She turns back to stare at me.

    "Were you watching?"

    "I have been attempting to track John down for a while, but I only checked on you on those occasions I introduced myself. I didn't even know that you were dating, much less your partner's true identity."

    "And I can't believe you." She resumes her pacing. "I can't believe you! This is why I broke up with John in the first place."

    "I can give you my full itinerary for the last two years if that helps. Though a lot of the details will be redacted, it should be enough to prove that -in the politest way possible- an Irish illustrator who briefly dated one of my contacts isn't someone it makes sense for me to spend a lot of time watching."

    "Fine." She shakes her head. "Now what's happened with that hallion John Constantine?"

    "Don't know. I'm looking for him, and we tracked The Demon down because he used a spell we know that John used."

    "What is it-? He?"

    "Simple as I can put it, it's a demon John created using his own memories. He included his memories of his relationship with you, which-"

    "That-! Fecking-! Bastard!"

    "-is why The Demon chose to seek you out. In his defence, we have no reason to believe that it meant you any harm."

    "It was wearin' somebody else's face!"

    "It's entirely possible-" Ring, check.

    Compliance.

    "-that the face didn't belong to anyone and was a novel creation."

    Statement is incorrect.

    Well, did he at least pick a dead-?

    No.

    So that's a murder investigation now. Pass it on to the police and Dr. Balewa.

    Compliance.

    "And even if it wasn't, he's a demon. He's stronger and tougher than a baseline human, before you even take the magic into account. If he meant to do you harm-. We should check your home."

    Her face falls. "You think he-?"

    "No, but it would be unwise to take a chance. Doctor Mist is a highly capable magician and will be able to find anything… Though if he acts like John there'd be… One fetish and maybe a mark of some kind. Nothing too heavy duty."

    She signs. "God."

    "I imagine that the police will want to contact you for more details. Do you want to phone someone, or do you want me to escort you-?"

    "No. No." She shakes her head. "Fecking-. I'm going back to work, and then I'm joining a fecking nunnery!"

    "I would advise against making any major life choices while under this sort of stress. There are many perfectly good men out there."

    She manages a fraction of a smile.

    "Not in my age group there aren't."

    "Um. Doctor Mist is single?"

    She shakes her head. "No. I'm going back to work. You get the bastard, and the bastard who made him."

    "We will, and you have my sympathy for what you've been through."

    "'Been through'?" She shakes her head. "He was the perfect boyfriend. That's why I'm so-! Angry now!"

    "On the off-chance that -aside from lying about who he is- he's been honest and not-."

    "You asking me if I want to keep him? No, no, a thousand times no."

    "That's clear at least." I perform a shallow bow. "Thank you for your time."

    I step out,

    reappearing outside of Dr. Balewa's workshop on the Watchtower.

    Britain hasn't gotten around to building a new prison for magicians. Instead, they've signed an agreement to send such people to Spain, where the European Union has pooled their assets to hire Atlanteans to build one. That might have to be revised if magic use becomes more common but for now Europe doesn't have enough magicians for more prisons to be necessary.

    I think the Atlanteans studying John Dee's work in the Tower of London are more fascinated as to how the heck it kept working this long than impressed with its construction.

    "Doctor?"

    "Come in."

    I press the open button, then walk into the workshop. The rest of the room looks more like a cross between a library and an alchemist's workshop than the sort of place that Sephtian uses, but I imagine that's due to the fact that he's not a trained thaumaturgist. The Demon Constantine is being held in a kneeling position by phantasmal hands, not bothering to struggle against them. His head's bowed and his hair is flopping forward to half-obscure his eyes. The air around him shimmers with the spell that Dr. Balewa is using to keep his magic contained.

    "John, we're looking for John. Tell us where he is and I'll try talking Waller into letting you have a potted plant."

    "I don't know where he is."

    "John, our rules of engagement won't let me turn you into a construct, but both myself and Doctor Mist can perform temporary modifications to your thought processes if we-. If he judges it necessary to the performance of our duties. I don't think they'd have a lasting impact, but you would find the process quite uncomfortable."

    "You can use Wonder Woman's lasso if you like. I really don't know."

    "Then do you have any leads?"

    "Yeah. One or two."

    "Would you care to volunteer them?"

    "Bit pointless drawing it out. Make it a cactus? I don't want something I can kill too easy."

    "I see no harm in asking about a cactus."

    "Last time I saw him, he was behind some heavy duty wards while looking at… I don't know what he was looking at. Seemed interesting. I don't know where he is right now, but I can show you where he was and give Mist a description of the spell. Good enough?"

    "That would be splendid."
     
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