Tyrantviewer
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That's... not more honest at all. :/ That kind of comparison trivializes the impact. Switching from driving yourself to work to taking the bus to work is something that isn't really all that hard, just inconvenient. It was a serious kind of bankruptcy that required heavy restructuring and a lot of losses along the way. Yes, overall, they were able to survive, but it isn't an exaggeration to say that the South was reduced to bartering because they were so bankrupt by the end of the war. Cotton production didn't halt, but it was dramatically reduced. And the only reason it wasn't worse is because both white people and black people had no choice but to enter into landlord-tenant relationships to keep the fields (both food crops and cash crops) from going unplanted and starving everyone. The resulting system was little better than the slavery that it replaced, and it took decades to end the cycle of poverty that the Civil War created.
Yep, and the forward thinking slave owners probably feared something like that, supported the war, and ended up with it anyway, instead of whatever slower, less extreme economic shift would have happened without the war to make abolishing slavery easier to pass. So The confederacy likely ended up hastening and worsening the result they were afraid of.
I'm not defending the Confederacy; I've been quite careful to point out their problems. I'm defending an accurate understanding of the events that transpired and the mindsets that motivated it. Knowing the historical events but attributing them to the wrong reasons leads to drawing incorrect conclusions. If we're going to learn a lesson from what happened in the past, we need to be honest about what happened instead of just reacting to it out of context.
Thank you for that, and once again for being so reasonable. I wasn't clear enough in my bit earlier, but personally people going "well the confederates weren't so bad" raises concerns about apologism and glorification of an era, ultimately supporting racism, ignorance and an us vs them mentality. You aren't doing that, but the association of people post facto justifying the confederacy, with certain modern sterotypes about southerners may be where some of the opposition you are facing comes from. Not going to go into modern politics on my life however.
Back to the story, Why did the Shinto react so violently to the Eagle of freedom? He said it was because of basically supernatural politics, but do they have an agenda? is something fishy about the eagle?
Anyone have some interesting ideas for new Olypians that Paul might recruit?
What is the most of the wall idea you have for where the heck John is?