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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

My respect for Dr. Mist is through the roof right now, lads. He just outplayed The Demon Constantine, practically without doing anything! Top tier stuff, seriously.

I mean, Dr. Mist just utilized the fact that any Constantine's worst enemy is inevitably themselves. Mist didn't even bargain in bad faith, he just gave Demon Constantine enough rope to hang himself with.
 
Is Dr. Mist asking for the Dreams this man stole or what he actually Dreams?
The former, I reckon. The man is, literally, a dream-person. I think he was able to drain Alan because Alan was present with his body. Travelers come here and it looks like Al-Wujud is a native who scams them. So I doubt he can "emit" dreams of his own.


I think that Alan has a good collection of memories centered around awful people tripping themselves up like Constantine did here. If he was in a better mood, he'd probably chuckle at the end of the chapter. As it stands, he just has to decide what type of fist he wants to use for that punch.
 
8th November 2012
18:36 GMT +3


"Hand and a foot, right?"

"Heh." The Demon Constantine smiles at me, genuinely amused. I don't think that Alan gets the reference and Sanderson almost certainly doesn't.
Yeah, traditional law as laid down by the Prophet is super-harsh. You might have heard of the 'for robbery, you lose your hand' thing, as it's such a common trope... :oops: Sadly, any discussion of it outside of the story's context might get rule-8'd, so I'll just say, 'when in Rome...'

The quiet whimper from Uns Al-Wujud strongly suggests that he does.

The Caliph takes my interjection in his stride. "The precise punishment for such an act is not precisely described in the Quran. In cases like this, where the guilt is so clear, I prefer to allow the involved parties to settle matters between themselves."
Yeah, I suspect Al-Wujud knows just how deep in the latrines he is: Up to the chin and sinking fast.

Alan frowns. "What do you mean by that?"

"Shari'ah law, Blue Lantern. Every case is a civil case brought by the injured party. Since you're the injured party, you can pretty much state what compensation you want."
Now, whether that party can pay, well... I'm sure some vindictive examples have asked for the impossible...

He frowns deeper. "Anything?"

"It's a civil suit. There's a penalty under Quranic law, but that's only if it gets as far as a judge. And technically, it hasn't yet."
And Al-Wujud would very much prefer it didn't, of course. Why do you think he's sweating musket balls?

"And if it does, that's a hand and a foot."

"Mohammed -peace be upon him- probably didn't bother specifying a penalty for 'literally stealing a man's dreams' because it wouldn't have occurred to him that that was a thing that could happen, but a hand and a foot is the penalty for highway robbery."
Given how much the merchant's probably been selling these dreams for, I don't doubt it qualifies.

"What normally happens?"

"If the offended party isn't feeling unusually vengeful, or if they think that the judge is dishonest and they won't get the default penalty, they will ask for an amount of money. Back on Earth, Muslim nations are generally moving away from that system because it effectively allows someone rich to buy their way out of trouble… Even more easily than what happens in the West."
Gee' who'd have thunk? :rolleyes:

"I'm not all that keen on maiming a guy."

"Now, you see, you shouldn't have said that. A man trying to get by in polite society who is obviously bearing an injury that would most likely have come from being found guilty of robbery is going to have a very difficult time keeping his business going. It's a sign to everyone looking at him that he's fundamentally untrustworthy."
Assuming he can manage to keep his business, once all his victims take their pound of flesh (And for some of them, they may well make that literal.)

"And he'll be down a hand and a foot."

"In the prophet's day, long term imprisonment wasn't really practical."
At least, any any large kind of scale... I'm sure there were some who were too valuable to kill.

Alan looks over to where Uns Al-Wujud is looking fairly pathetic. "Did he do it to anyone else?"

The Caliph raises his right hand. "Be assured that he did, they will be found and offered the same choice that you have. Be further assured that accepting the punishment described in the Quran is no sin."
'Eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth', and all that. Like I said, some of his victims won't be feeling nearly so merciful as you, Alan.

"The Bible has it a little different."

The Caliph shrugs. "You may turn the other cheek if you want."
Eh, better to see punishment of some kind...

"Blue Lantern, can I make a suggestion?" Alan nods. "We've got a difficult journey ahead of us. How about 'he hands over anything that we'd find useful, and you get to punch him once'."

"Is-" Alan turns to the Caliph. "-that something I can ask for?"
Nice of you to check. After all, Al-Wujud may have nothing of use to you. Except that oh-so-punchable face.

"You can ask for the moon and stars. Whether or not Uns Al-Wujud will give them to you depends on how highly he values his hands and feet."

"I agree! I agree!"
Hush, you. Just sit quietly, and bend over when told to, would you kindly? Just be glad Alan's such a nice guy.

Alan looks a little uncomfortable. "I'm not sure that that this is really 'justice'."

"Oh?" The Caliph looks mildly curious. "What would you have me do instead?"
I mean, it's not like there's a shortage of options presenting themselves...

"I… Just think that the punishment should try to ensure that the criminal doesn't do it again."

"You think I should take his head?"
...I mean, that would prevent any re-offending. And being a Dream, it might not even be fatal.

"No! I meant, having him.. work on his behavior, until he understands that what he's done is wrong."

"I imagine that cutting off his hand and foot would be a constant reminder about the limits of proper behaviour."
It's certainly not going to leave him on even footing with his competitors, certainly. :p

"That's not what I meant. Don't you have some sort of custodial system?"

"We have slave labourers. Do you want him enslaved?"
Honestly, some nice, back-breaking work probably looks good right now. Given the alternatives.

"No! God no."

"Blue Lantern, they've never encountered anything like out prison system. Your Excellency, I believe what my colleague is looking for would be something like… Working as a slave for a few months while a Imam preaches proper moral comportment to him, in the hope that some of it sticks when his labour term is over."
Now, whether that would work on him? Well, see what he does six months to a year after that finishes...

The Caliph makes a dismissive gesture with his right hand. "I don't have any use for a fat merchant as a slave. Do you want him to serve you in such a fashion?"

Alan shakes his head. "No, I suppose that I don't. Alright. One punch, and whatever we need to get past the storm." He turns to glower at Al-Wujud. "And it better be something good."
So, will you be giving him the punch now, or wait until he's gone over his inventory? Probably best not to concuss him beforehand, after all.

"Yes, oh beneficent one!"

"I mean… I don't know what we actually need, but whatever it is, that."
...Oh, right.

"Y-es. Oh Caliph, I don't suppose that any of your people have encountered the fifth member of our group, have they? Doctor Mist?"

"Yes?"

Dr. Balewa strolls into the audience chamber, a gourd under his right arm. The fat black man standing next to the Caliph stares at him for a moment and then quails.
Sounds like they've met before. Wonder if the good doctor ever visited Baghdad around, say 790 AD or so?

Alan regards Dr. Balewa curiously. "Where have you been, Doctor?"

"When the Demon distorted the dream to separate us-"
Oh, yeah, he did, didn't he? What was the activation code for that seal, again, Caliph?

"He what?"

"-I-. Yes, of course he did. He is a demon and a Constantine. I am surprised that he lasted as long as he did."
Honestly, I'm surprised OL wasn't on guard for shit like that. Guess he believed the Demon really wanted to help them...

The Demons shifts uncomfortably. "All part of the plan, right?"

"Yes. I thought thet I could promise you your freedom in exchange for your cooperation, because you would inevitably fail to live up to your end of the bargain. And you did. And now I do not hev to free you."
Outplayed. Pure perfection from the Enlightened one.

"But you still need me to get into the Tower."

"But you have the Seal of Solomon branded into your head. All you can bargain for is forbearance."
Which he hasn't exactly earned, given his actions thus far. Thin Ice, buddy.

"Ffffuck."

Dr. Balewa come to the fore of our party, smiling at the Caliph. "I believe that we can get through the storm. If Blue Lantern's agreement with Mister Al-Wujud is concluded, we will need the ropes with which he transfers dreams."
It'll be interesting to see where this is going...

Mr. Al-Wujud nods enthusiastically. I guess rope's cheap. "Yes, oh mighty-."

"And all of his stored dreams."
...Ah, I think I get it. There's probably a dream of someone who's navigated their way to the Tower in there, and if they used the ropes to share it...

"Ahhhhhhh…"

The Caliph raises his right eyebrow. "You believe that passage is possible?"

"Certainly. Would you like to watch?"
Don't worry, the fireworks will be minimal. I hope...

Well, what good timing for the Doctor to reappear. Why do I get the feeling he was just waiting for the right moment to show up, like a proper DMPC wizard? ;) Also, don't think we didn't notice that he said nothing about where he's been or what he did after being separated... At least now the party has what they need to get moving (or will soon) so they can get back on track. Tough luck for Uns Al-Wujud, though. Maybe he shouldn't have been such a sleazebag. :rolleyes:
 
Mohammed -peace be upon him- probably

Why is Paul suddenly so differential? He usually doesn't give a toss about gods while standing in their home and suddenly he cares about Islam

Because he may need the help of the locals for this mission and he doesn't want to piss them off by not treating their god or their religious figures with respect.
 

Deferential. Differential, were it a word, would be willing to pick a fight.

And it's probably utilitarian - 'peace be upon him' is a cultural touchstone for Muslims, not just a religious observance. It costs Paul little to nothing to be polite, and prevents getting in a nasty mess of situations.

Edit: No, wait, a differential is part of the suspension system in automobiles. I think. I'm not a mechanic!
 
...I mean, that would prevent any re-offending. And being a Dream, it might not even be fatal

Though if it isn't fatal then he may commit more crimes.

It's certainly not going to leave him on even footing with his competitors, certainly. :p
This is bad and you should feel bad.
Sounds like they've met before. Wonder if the good doctor ever visited Baghdad around, say 790 AD or so?
I don't think he has, but his name may be known around there.

Honestly, I'm surprised OL wasn't on guard for shit like that. Guess he believed the Demon really wanted to help them...
He can really let his belief in people's better natures, or at least smarter natures, get to him.

Just look at Luthor.
 
"But you have the Seal of Solomon branded into your head. All you can bargain for is forbearance."
The Seal of Solomon that allowed for the command of demons was a magical ring that just so happened to be engraved with that sigil, not the sigil itself.

Even assuming you change it so it's the sigil itself that is magical though. It would be a sigil that lets it's possessor control demons. Not a sigil you put on demons to control them.

So basically put... Mr Zoat once more did not do his research.
 
Deferential. Differential, were it a word, would be willing to pick a fight.
It actually means distinctive as an adjective and difference as a noun. For example, the thing that makes an over inflated balloon pop is pressure differential. The difference in air pressure inside the ballon compared to outside being too high.
I don't think he has, but his name may be known around there.
Or he's just obviously powerful to whatever wizard eyes that guy has.
 
"like our"
"comes to the fore"
Thank you, corrected.
I was thinking killing an endbringer in a worm crossover or something, something unambiguously positive for the world
Isn't the Queen in the London Containment Zone?
Why is Paul suddenly so differential? He usually doesn't give a toss about gods while standing in their home and suddenly he cares about Islam?
He's being polite to his host when there's an advantage in doing so and no real reason not to be.
 
Is Dr. Mist asking for the Dreams this man stole or what he actually Dreams?

Neither. He's demanding his entire inventory, ill gotten or paid for legitimately.

And for anyone curious, Zoat got this binding Demon Constantine with the Seal of Solomon directly from the Thousand and One Nights story "The Fisherman and the Jinni."

You know the story of a fisherman finding a bottle and opening it and the Jinni is all "Okay, mortal, how do you want to die?"

It was the power of the seal placed on the cap that kept the jinni in the bottle.
 
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Be assured that he did
'if'?
I'm not sure that that this is really 'justice'.
Extraneous 'that'
Working as a slave for a few months while a Imam
'an Imam'
I am surprised that he lasted as long as he did.
'thet'
But you have the Seal of Solomon
'hev'
I believe that we can get through the storm
'thet'

Even if I didn't like Dr Mist as a character, I'd still enjoy chapters he's in just for the corrections of his accent.
 
And for anyone curious, Zoat got this binding Demon Constantine with the Seal of Solomon directly from the Thousand and One Nights story "The Fisherman and the Jinni."

You know the story of a fisherman finding a bottle and opening it and the Jinni is all "Okay, mortal, how do you want to die?"

It was the power of the seal placed on the cap that kept the jinni in the bottle.
That might be the original origin. I got it from Hellblazer, where John has it tattooed onto his skin.
'if'?
Extraneous 'that'
'an Imam'
'thet'
'hev'
'thet'
Thank you, corrected.
 
There's a scraping sound, then he pulls the door open. Huh. I remember Paul saying that doors should always open towards an attacker, but I guess they just didn't have a way of securing it that way.
Um...
towards an attacker, and only if you want to be vulnerable to attacks on the hinges.
Not just putting the hinges on the unsecured side, but also the door opening out means it's a lot easier for opponents to block it and trap you inside. You want the hinges in the secure side, but you also want the doors clearance area on the secure side. Both for the same reason, so you're the one in control of it and not your opponents.

Did someone give OL bad advice, or did he misremember?

It was the power of the seal placed on the cap that kept the jinni in the bottle.
You mean Vaermina is a lying liar who lies?

Well I'm sure he will acknowledge his 'mistake' and retract his statement like a decent person.
 
"Yes. I thought thet I could promise you your freedom in exchange for your cooperation, because you would inevitably fail to live up to your end of the bargain. And you did. And now I do not hev to free you."

"But you still need me to get into the Tower."

"But you hev the Seal of Solomon branded into your head. All you can bargain for is forbearance."

Bwahaha, I love Dr. Mist. It's clear that this man has been around the block and knows how to play the game.

Agreed on the portrayal of the different systems: Alan of course thinks his system is best, but there are advantages to the Caliph's system as well.
 
No, Ziz was driven off before London needed to be quarantined. The old girl is fine.
Good show.

I imagine it would depend on how much time he was spending in Britain, and whether that's where the fight happened. Given that as far as I know the UK government isn't especially bad in Worm he'd probably be all for it.
 
Good show.

I imagine it would depend on how much time he was spending in Britain, and whether that's where the fight happened. Given that as far as I know the UK government isn't especially bad in Worm he'd probably be all for it.

Very helpful, thank you.
 
...Ah, I think I get it. There's probably a dream of someone who's navigated their way to the Tower in there, and if they used the ropes to share it...
I'm guessing it's more like "create a temporary path of peaceful dreams to suppress the storm".

Mohammed -peace be upon him- probably

Why is Paul suddenly so differential?
Gods are far away; caliphs are right here. And talk is cheap.
 
Deferential. Differential, were it a word, would be willing to pick a fight.

And it's probably utilitarian - 'peace be upon him' is a cultural touchstone for Muslims, not just a religious observance. It costs Paul little to nothing to be polite, and prevents getting in a nasty mess of situations.

Edit: No, wait, a differential is part of the suspension system in automobiles. I think. I'm not a mechanic!
A differential is also a math related term!
 
Vae... He did his research -- research of Hellblazer canon, not real-world mysticism. One of these things is more relevant to a story in this setting than the other...

Hellblazer didn't make it up.

The Seal of Solomon was a "seal, stamp, or die," it's a signet ring.

As in one pressed it in wax or clay or something and then placed the seal impressions on paper or whatever.

Like in the tale of the Fisherman and the Jinni.

In Arabian Nights, Sindbad has a cup with the Seal of Solomon engraved on the bottom of the cup, because that's something they did back in the day.

You can buy a Seal of Solomon protective amulet right now on Amazon.
 
False Dawn (part 21)
8th November 2012
18:58 GMT +3


The Demon Constantine struggles against the magic ropes binding him as we approach the storm on Roc-back.

"Bit excessive, innit?"

"No." / "I don't think so." / "No." / "No."

I hold out my fig jar to him. He looks at it, then up at my face, then tries moving his right arm, which is bound to his chest by magic ropes.

I grin, then pull the jar away and take a fig for-. Oh, they left the wasp in it!

Two claps from the royal palanquin, and we turn to give our attention to the Caliph.

"I am certain that this event will be memorable, whatever occurs. Still, I would be interested to hear how you plan to cross the storm before you are utterly unmade by its wrath."

"It is true. The spell thet I hev been using to get us this far will soon end. I am-."

"What spell?"

Because I don't remember seeing him cast anything, and even if he did some combination of my spell eater and tattoos should have dealt with it by now. Or at least provided some sort of warning.

"Orange Lantern, I am disappointed. Where are we?"

"The Dream, which… Has certain totemic forms which exist beyond the minds of individual dreamers, but I don't see how that's… The city."

He smiles. "Ah, you were paying attention. Good."

"The city has more tightly defined rules than the Dream in general. Which means that it can be manipulated into pushing us into advantageous positions."

"A Caliph, receiving honest but unwelcome advice from a mad prophet."

"I'm not a prophet. I never got higher in the Silver City than the Angel Kings. And they didn't give me any sort-."

"You've-!" The Caliph's eyes are wide, but he masters himself immediately. "Do you mean to say that you have visited the City of Heaven?"

"Sort of. Allah wasn't there in any special way. As I understand it, the gardens around the city are where the souls of the righteous monotheistic dead go to begin the process of shedding their egos so that they can join with God." I shrug. "It's not really my thing. They had to murder and abduct me to get me there, and I left as soon as I could."

The Caliph smiles. "That must be a story! In the unlikely event that your soul is not torn asunder, I bid you return to my city as my guest and share it."

I shrug. "Alright. Time allowing. Is it alright if I bring a guest?"

"By all means."

Excellent! It'll be nice to have a non-working date lined up next time Jade is available.

"Though I'm not sure how that helps us get through the storm."

Dr. Balewa reaches over and takes my fig jar, removing a single fig before passing it to Alan. "Each of us must eat one."

"A conceptual link by a single fruit?" I frown. "Seems a bit weak."

"Heroes sharing food before setting out on the final part of their quest." Alan takes a fig before passing the jar to Sanderson. "The difficulty is thet from the point of view of the city, our part in its story is complete. The magic may well be satisfied with us dying, so long as we do so out of sight."

"Hence you nudging me to bring up the Heaven thing. Alright, but that still doesn't get us through the storm."

Sanderson looks at the bowl, then takes a fig. "I think I've got an idea. Storms are made up of irrationality, aren't they? So there used to be more to every bit of the storm than is there now. And since we've got all these dream gourds with us, we might be able to attach these dreams to what's there."

"Good." Dr. Balewa nods. "Good. Of course, thet will not work, but it is a logical suggestion."

"Well, gosh darn it."

"The chance thet we would gather every dream whose irrationality became part of a primordial storm is astronomically low. No, we will be taking advantage of The Demon Constantine's command of chaos magic."

"I'm not that good-."

Alan ignores him, nodding slowly. "Is that why he's got the ropes?"

"Indeed. We will be pouring every one of these dreams into him."

"What?"

"All of them?"

Dr. Balewa nods. "Yes."

"What?"

"His aim will be to create a chaotic mess of mental imagery such as will allow him to connect to whatever of the storm's winds thet blow against us. If he is successful, and we are in constant motion, thet should be enough to create a short lived path through the storm."

The Demon's eyes are wide with astonishment. "Maybe, you crazy fucker, but I still won't know where I'm going! I'll be blind and deaf and high as a fucking kite on all that dream essence!"

"Thet is where Sandman comes in. He will need to use his Dream-granted foresight to bring us to the tower along the path thet The Demon will make."

"And that will work?"

"Thet can work. I will be using my owen abilities to help things along, but we are covering entirely new ground. I will hev to write a report for the Conservatory of Sorcery."

Alan looks unsettled. "If we survive."

"As you say."

Sanderson moves his mask enough to eat a fig. He then does so with a definite lack of enthusiasm. "What'll it be like?"

"The pathway will be both a pathway and a series of linked ideas and dreams. To move between them will require both constant movement and a constant change of thoughts as we comply with the tone of each Dream. There is nothing quite like it which can be experienced." He smiles. "I am looking forward to it."

"Because you're so old that new experiences are rare?"

"Ah, no. Since I hev joined the Justice League, I hev had a new experience at least once a week. Whatever reservations I hev about the organisation, thet, I do not regret. No, this is really more the first time I hev truly stretched myself with new magic in longer than I can recount."

He stands as the wall of the outskirts of the storm approaches.

"And now, the gourds."
 
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