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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

Discussion in 'Creative Writing' started by Mr Zoat, Jan 27, 2019.

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  1. Darko

    Darko Connoisseur.

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    I'm betting it's the usual campfire stories involving monsters, killers and all of those things.

    Granted, to them these stories are mundane.
     
  2. Darko

    Darko Connoisseur.

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    "because the Founding"
     
  3. Ganurath

    Ganurath Apologizes For Nothing

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    Paul does that to people he's indifferent too, as well.

    Sometimes people he likes.

    Occasionally loved ones.

    ...He's a remarkably antagonistic protagonist.
     
  4. Darko

    Darko Connoisseur.

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    He's an asshole.
     
  5. Mr Zoat

    Mr Zoat Dedicated ragequitter

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    Thank you, corrected.

    Thank you, corrected.
     
  6. Belenus

    Belenus Versed in the lewd.

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    Hobbies don't have to be productive.
     
  7. Duke Long

    Duke Long Glomerulus

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    ’escorted to’
     
  8. Windona

    Windona Beetle Queen of Crackshipping

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    Ahaha, I bet the Caliph is starting to realize what he bit off first with Paul now with Sandy casually mentioning the deal he made. Though this chapter did make the point that perhaps it's best that Sandy rescued Alan instead of Paul.

    Now I'm really curious what Dr. Mist is up to
     
  9. Mr Zoat

    Mr Zoat Dedicated ragequitter

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    Thank you, corrected.
     
  10. _The_Bomb

    _The_Bomb Getting sticky.

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    Yeah, that was a really good response. Props to him! Or rather, to Mr Zoat!
     
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  11. Sojiko

    Sojiko Getting sticky.

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    I was dreaming that I was reading this story, so when I woke up I decided it was a sign I should catch up. I had completely forgotten that I had left off when the group was going through the Dreaming. Coincidences, uh?

    I think that should be "that".
     
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  12. PDV

    PDV Revelation That Uncertainty Is Itself An Answer

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    Pretty sure they're wrong, then. Using "ben" to designate a patronym is Hebrew (and Yiddish, and probably Aramaic...); the Arabic is "bin".
    Good to see nominative determinism isn't a flawless predictor.
     
  13. Ardy

    Ardy I trust you know where the happy button is?

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    Hey Zoat, random question for a crossover I was thinking of. If the SI was offered knighthood by the queen of the modern UK, would they accept it? Would they care? How about if one of his friends asked them to play nice?
     
  14. Coda

    Coda Versed in the lewd.

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    Door's

    Considering it was mixed in with a bunch of "ibn"s I'm pretty sure it was meant to indicate a cultural difference for that particular ancestor.

    EDIT: It's "bar" in Aramaic. "Barabbas" was "son of Abbas".
     
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  15. Prince Charon

    Prince Charon Just zis guy, you know?

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    Is the same Queen still in charge of the UK on Earth-16p? I know there were some major changes on Earth-16r, but I'm not sure what's going on with 16p.
     
  16. Mr Zoat

    Mr Zoat Dedicated ragequitter

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    Thank you, corrected.
    Why would he be getting one? Usually a knighthood is awarded either for a lifetime of public service or a lot of big political donations.
     
  17. Threadmarks: False Dawn (part 20)
    Mr Zoat

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    "Hand and a foot, right?"

    "Heh." The Demon Constantine smiles at me, genuinely amused. I don't think that Alan gets the reference and Sanderson almost certainly doesn't.

    The quiet whimper from Uns Al-Wujud strongly suggests that he does.

    The Caliph takes my interjection in his stride. "The precise punishment for such an act is not precisely described in the Quran. In cases like this, where the guilt is so clear, I prefer to allow the involved parties to settle matters between themselves."

    Alan frowns. "What do you mean by that?"

    "Shari'ah law, Blue Lantern. Every case is a civil case brought by the injured party. Since you're the injured party, you can pretty much state what compensation you want."

    He frowns deeper. "Anything?"

    "It's a civil suit. There's a penalty under Quranic law, but that's only if it gets as far as a judge. And technically, it hasn't yet."

    "And if it does, that's a hand and a foot."

    "Mohammed -peace be upon him- probably didn't bother specifying a penalty for 'literally stealing a man's dreams' because it wouldn't have occurred to him that that was a thing that could happen, but a hand and a foot is the penalty for highway robbery."

    "What normally happens?"

    "If the offended party isn't feeling unusually vengeful, or if they think that the judge is dishonest and they won't get the default penalty, they will ask for an amount of money. Back on Earth, Muslim nations are generally moving away from that system because it effectively allows someone rich to buy their way out of trouble… Even more easily than what happens in the West."

    "I'm not all that keen on maiming a guy."

    "Now, you see, you shouldn't have said that. A man trying to get by in polite society who is obviously bearing an injury that would most likely have come from being found guilty of robbery is going to have a very difficult time keeping his business going. It's a sign to everyone looking at him that he's fundamentally untrustworthy."

    "And he'll be down a hand and a foot."

    "In the prophet's day, long term imprisonment wasn't really practical."

    Alan looks over to where Uns Al-Wujud is looking fairly pathetic. "Did he do it to anyone else?"

    The Caliph raises his right hand. "Be assured that if he did, they will be found and offered the same choice that you have. Be further assured that accepting the punishment described in the Quran is no sin."

    "The Bible has it a little different."

    The Caliph shrugs. "You may turn the other cheek if you want."

    "Blue Lantern, can I make a suggestion?" Alan nods. "We've got a difficult journey ahead of us. How about 'he hands over anything that we'd find useful, and you get to punch him once'."

    "Is-" Alan turns to the Caliph. "-that something I can ask for?"

    "You can ask for the moon and stars. Whether or not Uns Al-Wujud will give them to you depends on how highly he values his hands and feet."

    "I agree! I agree!"

    Alan looks a little uncomfortable. "I'm not sure that this is really 'justice'."

    "Oh?" The Caliph looks mildly curious. "What would you have me do instead?"

    "I… Just think that the punishment should try to ensure that the criminal doesn't do it again."

    "You think I should take his head?"

    "No! I meant, having him.. work on his behavior, until he understands that what he's done is wrong."

    "I imagine that cutting off his hand and foot would be a constant reminder about the limits of proper behaviour."

    "That's not what I meant. Don’t you have some sort of custodial system?"

    "We have slave labourers. Do you want him enslaved?"

    "No! God no."

    "Blue Lantern, they've never encountered anything like our prison system. Your Excellency, I believe what my colleague is looking for would be something like… Working as a slave for a few months while an Imam preaches proper moral comportment to him, in the hope that some of it sticks when his labour term is over."

    The Caliph makes a dismissive gesture with his right hand. "I don't have any use for a fat merchant as a slave. Do you want him to serve you in such a fashion?"

    Alan shakes his head. "No, I suppose that I don't. Alright. One punch, and whatever we need to get past the storm." He turns to glower at Al-Wujud. "And it better be something good."

    "Yes, oh beneficent one!"

    "I mean… I don't know what we actually need, but whatever it is, that."

    "Y-es. Oh Caliph, I don't suppose that any of your people have encountered the fifth member of our group, have they? Doctor Mist?"

    "Yes?"

    Dr. Balewa strolls into the audience chamber, a gourd under his right arm. The fat black man standing next to the Caliph stares at him for a moment and then quails.

    Alan regards Dr. Balewa curiously. "Where have you been, Doctor?"

    "When the Demon distorted the dream to separate us-"

    "He what?"

    "-I-. Yes, of course he did. He is a demon and a Constantine. I am surprised thet he lasted as long as he did."

    The Demons shifts uncomfortably. "All part of the plan, right?"

    "Yes. I thought thet I could promise you your freedom in exchange for your cooperation, because you would inevitably fail to live up to your end of the bargain. And you did. And now I do not hev to free you."

    "But you still need me to get into the Tower."

    "But you hev the Seal of Solomon branded into your head. All you can bargain for is forbearance."

    "Ffffuck."

    Dr. Balewa comes to the fore of our party, smiling at the Caliph. "I believe thet we can get through the storm. If Blue Lantern's agreement with Mister Al-Wujud is concluded, we will need the ropes with which he transfers dreams."

    Mr. Al-Wujud nods enthusiastically. I guess rope's cheap. "Yes, oh mighty-."

    "And all of his stored dreams."

    "Ahhhhhhh…"

    The Caliph raises his right eyebrow. "You believe that passage is possible?"

    "Certainly. Would you like to watch?"
     
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  18. MajorPane

    MajorPane Getting sticky.

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    Did... Did the Demon Constantine just get Constantined? Should I lower my opinion of his competence or nominate Dr. Balewa for sainthood?
     
  19. Darko

    Darko Connoisseur.

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    "like our"

    Of course.

    "comes to the fore"
     
  20. Bud-E

    Bud-E Stand up so I can push you down!

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    Is Dr. Mist asking for the Dreams this man stole or what he actually Dreams?
     
  21. Ardy

    Ardy I trust you know where the happy button is?

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    I was thinking killing an endbringer in a worm crossover or something, something unambiguously positive for the world
     
  22. Old Knife

    Old Knife Not too sore, are you?

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    Whahahaha did he really expect something light?
    What else does he have to offer?
     
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  23. Darko

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    The first one.
     
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  24. Blackshard

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    Pretty neat interaction here. Always nice to see different cultures interacting such that both are acting completely reasonable by their own standards, but want different things, yet neither is portrayed as wrong. A more typical portrayal would be "these wicked heathens insist on carrying out their barbaric and evil custom, let us stop this terrible deed", but that's far less honest and less interesting than assuming good faith on both sides and considering possible compromises.
     
  25. Lord Ernest

    Lord Ernest At the End...

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    My respect for Dr. Mist is through the roof right now, lads. He just outplayed The Demon Constantine, practically without doing anything! Top tier stuff, seriously.
     
  26. Khettien

    Khettien Perpetually confused

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    I mean, Dr. Mist just utilized the fact that any Constantine's worst enemy is inevitably themselves. Mist didn't even bargain in bad faith, he just gave Demon Constantine enough rope to hang himself with.
     
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    The former, I reckon. The man is, literally, a dream-person. I think he was able to drain Alan because Alan was present with his body. Travelers come here and it looks like Al-Wujud is a native who scams them. So I doubt he can “emit” dreams of his own.


    I think that Alan has a good collection of memories centered around awful people tripping themselves up like Constantine did here. If he was in a better mood, he’d probably chuckle at the end of the chapter. As it stands, he just has to decide what type of fist he wants to use for that punch.
     
  28. Darko

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    This is incredibly accurate.
     
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    Yeah, traditional law as laid down by the Prophet is super-harsh. You might have heard of the 'for robbery, you lose your hand' thing, as it's such a common trope... :oops: Sadly, any discussion of it outside of the story's context might get rule-8'd, so I'll just say, 'when in Rome...'

    Yeah, I suspect Al-Wujud knows just how deep in the latrines he is: Up to the chin and sinking fast.

    Now, whether that party can pay, well... I'm sure some vindictive examples have asked for the impossible...

    And Al-Wujud would very much prefer it didn't, of course. Why do you think he's sweating musket balls?

    Given how much the merchant's probably been selling these dreams for, I don't doubt it qualifies.

    Gee' who'd have thunk? :rolleyes:

    Assuming he can manage to keep his business, once all his victims take their pound of flesh (And for some of them, they may well make that literal.)

    At least, any any large kind of scale... I'm sure there were some who were too valuable to kill.

    'Eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth', and all that. Like I said, some of his victims won't be feeling nearly so merciful as you, Alan.

    Eh, better to see punishment of some kind...

    Nice of you to check. After all, Al-Wujud may have nothing of use to you. Except that oh-so-punchable face.

    Hush, you. Just sit quietly, and bend over when told to, would you kindly? Just be glad Alan's such a nice guy.

    I mean, it's not like there's a shortage of options presenting themselves...

    ...I mean, that would prevent any re-offending. And being a Dream, it might not even be fatal.

    It's certainly not going to leave him on even footing with his competitors, certainly. :p

    Honestly, some nice, back-breaking work probably looks good right now. Given the alternatives.

    Now, whether that would work on him? Well, see what he does six months to a year after that finishes...

    So, will you be giving him the punch now, or wait until he's gone over his inventory? Probably best not to concuss him beforehand, after all.

    ...Oh, right.

    Sounds like they've met before. Wonder if the good doctor ever visited Baghdad around, say 790 AD or so?

    Oh, yeah, he did, didn't he? What was the activation code for that seal, again, Caliph?

    Honestly, I'm surprised OL wasn't on guard for shit like that. Guess he believed the Demon really wanted to help them...

    Outplayed. Pure perfection from the Enlightened one.

    Which he hasn't exactly earned, given his actions thus far. Thin Ice, buddy.

    It'll be interesting to see where this is going...

    ...Ah, I think I get it. There's probably a dream of someone who's navigated their way to the Tower in there, and if they used the ropes to share it...

    Don't worry, the fireworks will be minimal. I hope...

    Well, what good timing for the Doctor to reappear. Why do I get the feeling he was just waiting for the right moment to show up, like a proper DMPC wizard? ;) Also, don't think we didn't notice that he said nothing about where he's been or what he did after being separated... At least now the party has what they need to get moving (or will soon) so they can get back on track. Tough luck for Uns Al-Wujud, though. Maybe he shouldn't have been such a sleazebag. :rolleyes:
     
  30. Handlewithcare

    Handlewithcare Versed in the lewd.

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    Mohammed -peace be upon him- probably

    Why is Paul suddenly so differential? He usually doesn't give a toss about gods while standing in their home and suddenly he cares about Islam?

    Also, damn, Mist. You scary.
     
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