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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

I've been distracted for the past month
Well now that's simply unacceptable.
and happy to be back and all caught up.
Hmpf.
Some possible corrections for you, Mr Zoat:

as -> has
Thank you, corrected.
He's referring to one.
Thank you, corrected.
No, they're called septs. They'll all the same sect.
I once span -> I once spun OR once I span
Ah, I think that if you accept the use of 'span' for what should in modern English be 'spun' then the sentence works as-is.
Thank you, corrected.
 
Hmm, I have a feeling the gravity based weapon is going to come back.

Suspicious, yes, but I have a feeling that this version of Hal also knows that Paul is the reason Hal is working with them and potentially might have a way to work with the JSA to operate on Earth. It's not ideal, but still.
 
Did… Alan just leave a big rock on a direct course for a colony world? The Dominators are bad, but I thought they were specifically not 'kill the civilians because they're combatants too' bad.

Presumably one of the surviving shield ships could get I, but that seems cold for him.
 
I sometimes read that the Controllers were an offshoot species of the Guardians that evolved differently after they split.

So they're not the same individuals that left the Guardians, but their descendants.

That could explain how they forgot about the light.

Though yeah, contradicting writer is the most likely scenario.

Doesn't really work.

For one thing, the Maltusians became immortal before the split, so barring incidents, the OG Controllers would still be alive.

And despite this fic, I'm not sure there are female Controllers in the comics.

In the comics, the male and female Maltusians separated because their children had all the god-like powers coupled with the wisdom and self control of children.

The first time a Maltusian mosquito bit a Maltusian kid after their evolution, to the cornfield, all of them. The first time an evolved Maltusian child was bitten by a Maltusian puppy or scratched by a Maltusian kitten, no more Maltusian dogs or cats.

The Maltusians self segregated to avoid temptation.

When the Guardians and the Zamarons decided it was time to produce a next generation, they exiled themselves to another dimension to avoid inflicting their children on the universe until they could be trusted to act appropriately.

And this gender segregation happened before the Guardian/Controller split.
 
Did… Alan just leave a big rock on a direct course for a colony world? The Dominators are bad, but I thought they were specifically not 'kill the civilians because they're combatants too' bad.

Presumably one of the surviving shield ships could get I, but that seems cold for him.
No, it's a relatively easy intercept mission. They moved because that was a very unGreen Lantern thing to do, and he might throw more.
 
Given how much green they have flowing through them, they may honestly no longer be capable of panicking
We straight up saw Hinon panic when she realized a Paul was dealing with a piece of the Anti-Monitor's armor. Your theory should apply to her just as well, albeit in orange instead.
 
I wonder if Paul's ever going to recruit some of these horrible horrible people.
 
Feasibility Study (part 14)
21st November 2012
11:22 GMT -5


Multiple omnidirectional forms of instantaneous communication squawk out across the Dominion, some aiming for my little team, some for other Dominators and others heading for Oa. From the glow of Jordan's ring, I suspect that he's listening in on some of them.

"Problem?"

"Not yet." His ring dims. "Just thinking… The Dominion have been raiding worlds for longer than the Green Lantern Corps has existed. You're making them look like chumps."

"It's like beating Bat-. Ah, a superhero from Earth Sixteen. A very intelligent man who's very good at developing counters to his enemy's strategies. You hit them and you don't stop hitting them until they're dead. If you leave them alive, you can assume that they'll have a counter to everything that you did the first time around within a depressingly short amount of time."

"What did you say he was called?"

"Batman."

"Ah… Okay."

"Bats used to scare him when he was a boy, so when he wanted to become something criminals would fear, he chose them as his emblem."

"No, no, I mean, objectively, it's no worse than what a lot of people pick. I guess bats are kinda scary." He thinks for a moment. "So you're saying that the Green Lantern Corps should have finished the Dominion off?"

"That… Depends. Green Lanterns have a lot of area to cover and there generally aren't that many of you. I could understand your Corps deciding that it didn't have the manpower, or that other things were more urgent. And… You're primarily a policing organisation."

"But?"

"I read a book a while ago. Set on Earth, there was some sort of environmental disaster which caused an outbreak of huge tsunamis all over the world. A group of… I think it was French naval vessels were assigned to evacuate a group of islands which were going to be destroyed. Problem was, those islands were controlled by criminal gangs whose main sources of income were narcotic production and paedophile sex tourism. The rest of the population were their hostages. The French didn't have the resources to carry out a rescue mission. So, the commanding Admiral tells his subordinates that he's taking full responsibility, and orders the marines to shoot through the hostages. In the first ten minutes a lot of innocent people die, then the gangs realise that killing people isn't working and is ensuring that the French don't take them alive. So they drop their weapons and surrender, allowing the island to be safely evacuated. The total deaths were far fewer than there would have been if he'd ordered a series of rescue missions or just abandoned the place."

"So… What, we should just abandon Sectors so we've got the manpower to destroy things like the Dominion?"

"I'd need to know more about your Corps' deployments before I gave a firm answer. I'd probably argue for encouraging Sectors to build up their security fleets and establishing mutual defence pacts rather than just disappearing with no warning, but… Yes."

Heh.

"Another example for you. The last wolf in England was killed in Thirteen Ninety. Not because of the destruction of habitat, no. The people hunted them down and killed them with malice aforethought, because they realised that big pack predators were a threat to people and their farm animals. About thirty years later a giant pack of man eating wolves laid siege to Paris for three years, before invading the city and doing battle with the city guard, killing at least forty of them. A hundred years ago, during World War One, German and Russian soldiers had a truce so they could fight off the giant packs of man eating wolves that were attacking them."

"You know where doesn't have problems with packs of man eating wolves?"

He nods. "England."

"For now. We're reintroducing them. But the general rule is, deal with small problems early or they can grow. Deal with big problems hard or they'll ruin everything else. When we arrived on this parallel's Earth, Interceptor and two Amazos were right there in less than a minute. On our Earth something like that might not even get noticed. And that's after we had to deal with a time travelling invasion fleet."

"I guess-."

Behind us, Alan breathes a sigh of relief, the construct over his ring showing a orbital plot.

"Problem?"

"Oh, no." He dismisses the construct. "I was just checking what happened to that rock I threw at the planet in our first fight. They managed to redirect it. I was a little worried I might have to go back."

"And what I just said is something Alan would never say, and that's one of the reasons why I like him so much."

"Ah, thanks." Alan looks towards our next target. "Are they clustering up, or..?"

"Yes. Combined fleets in position to reinforce worlds we attack, with weak picket fleets around their worlds because they don't think we're going to perform ground strikes. A rational and pragmatic response which would cost them if any of their neighbours had the resolve to punish them for it."

I make eye contact with Jordan.

"Jordan."

"I'll talk to the local Lanterns when we're done here."

I nod. "Alan, you can make a zeta tube construct, right?"

"Yeah."

"That's probably an easier way to get everyone into position than picking them up and carrying them. I think…"

I create a construct of the local systems… Yes, a rocky planetoid in an uncolonised system in Dominion space.

"Here?"

Alan considers the image for a moment, then nods. "Looks like it'll do. And we can attack wherever the Dominators have been keeping people in the same way."

"Guess I'd better actually find them then."

But that's simple enough. Finding a Dominator who is interested in humans is impractical. Finding the desire sets normal to humans on the other hand is well within my abilities. Dominators -even Dominator civilians- just don't think in the same way as humans. If by some miracle the Dominion hasn't killed the majority of test subjects by now then I'll-.

There.

"Found them. Feels like a few hundred." I point to a planet on the construct map. "Well worth rescuing. There might be more somewhere else, but I'm hopeful that we can interrogate the staff or their database for more information."

"A few.. hundred?" Jordan's face falls. "But they took-."

"They didn't reach fourth place on my poop list by being nice people. I'll head back and set up the zeta transmitter on Earth. Signal me when you're ready."
 
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depressingly shot amount of time."

'short amount'

Another example for you. The last wolf in England was killed in Thirteen Ninety. Not because of the destruction of habitat, no. The people hunted them down and killed them with malice aforethought, because they realised that big pack predators were a threat to people and their farm animals. About thirty years later a giant pack of man eating wolves laid siege to Paris for three years, before invading the city and doing battle with the city guard, killing at least forty of them. A hundred years ago, during World War One, German and Russian soldiers had a truce to they could fight off the giant packs of man eating wolves that were attacking them."

This sounds like prime material for a horror/action movie.

happened to that rock a threw at the

"rock I threw"

something Alan would ever say,

"would never"
 
21st November 2012
11:22 GMT -5


Multiple omnidirectional forms of instantaneous communication squawk out across the Dominion, some aiming for my little team, some for other Dominators ad others heading for Oa. From the glow of Jordan's ring, I suspect that he's listening in on some of them.

"Problem?"

Well, they've stirred up the ant's nest. I see they're wasting no time calling out the Guardians over a 'rogue Lantern'. The communications aimed at OL's group are probably just imprecations, insults and calls to surrender to Dominator 'justice'.

"Not yet." His ring dims. "Just thinking… The Dominion have been raiding worlds for longer than the Green Lantern Corps has existed. You're making them look like chumps."

"It's like beating Bat-. Ah, a superhero from Earth Sixteen. A very intelligent man who's very good at developing counters to his enemy's strategies. You hit them and you don't stop hitting them until they're dead. If you leave them alive, you can assume that they'll have a counter to everything that you did the first time around within a depressingly shot amount of time."
To be fair, Batman 16 is a bit more personable, even if he plays up to the usual 'Bat-God wins with prep time'.

"What did you say he was called?"

"Batman."
o_O "Why does that sound so damn familiar?"

"Ah… Okay."

"Bats used to scare him when he was a boy, so when he wanted to become something criminals would fear, he chose them as his emblem."
As workable an explanation as any, even if inaccurate. Though I bet Jordan is imagining someone wearing a more anatomically correct bat mask...

"No, no, I mean, objectively, it's no worse than what a lot of people pick. I guess bats are kinda scary." He thinks for a moment. "So you're saying that the Green Lantern Corps should have finished the Dominion off?"

"That… Depends. Green Lanterns have a lot of area to cover and there generally aren't that many of you. I could understand your Corps deciding that it didn't have the manpower, or that other things were more urgent. And… You're primarily a policing organisation."
I mean, in this universe, they could very well be universal. DC Space is weird.

"But?"

"I read a book a while ago. Set on Earth, there was some sort of environmental disaster which caused an outbreak of huge tsunamis all over the world. A group of… I think it was French naval vessels were assigned to evacuate a group of islands which were going to be destroyed. Problem was, those islands were controlled by criminal gangs whose main sources of income were narcotic production and paedophile sex tourism. The rest of the population were their hostages. The French didn't have the resources to carry out a rescue mission. So, the commanding Admiral tells his subordinates that he's taking full responsibility, and orders the marines to shoot through the hostages. In the first ten minutes a lot of innocent people die, then the gangs realise that killing people isn't working and is ensuring that the French don't take them alive. So they drop their weapons and surrender, allowing the island to be safely evacuated. The total deaths were far fewer than there would have been if he'd ordered a series of rescue missions or just abandoned the place."
...Okay. :confused: Brave man, knowing that decision would basically be throwing away his career.

"So… What, we should just abandon Sectors so we've got the manpower to destroy things like the Dominion?"

"I'd need to know more about your Corps' deployments before I gave a firm answer. I'd probably argue for encouraging Sectors to build up their security fleets and establishing mutual defence pacts rather than just disappearing with no warning, but… Yes."
And the Honour Guard don't count. The Corpse, maybe. But neither are built for large-scale fights.

Heh.

"Another example for you. The last wolf in England was killed in Thirteen Ninety. Not because of the destruction of habitat, no. The people hunted them down and killed them with malice aforethought, because they realised that big pack predators were a threat to people and their farm animals. About thirty years later a giant pack of man eating wolves laid siege to Paris for three years, before invading the city and doing battle with the city guard, killing at least forty of them. A hundred years ago, during World War One, German and Russian soldiers had a truce to they could fight off the giant packs of man eating wolves that were attacking them."
Nature, it's scary shit.

"You know where doesn't have problems with packs of man eating wolves?"

He nods. "England."
Yeah, that lesson's pretty clear, isn't it?

"For now. We're reintroducing them. But the general rule is, deal with small problems early or they can grow. Deal with big problems hard or they'll ruin everything else. When we arrived on this parallel's Earth, Interceptor and two Amazos were right there in less than a minute. Or our Earth something like that might not even get noticed. And that's after we had to deal with a time travelling invasion fleet."

"I guess-."
Earth 16. The slackers of the multiverse. :p

Behind us, Alan breathes a sigh of relief, the construct over his ring showing a orbital plot.

"Problem?"
Ah, good guy Alan, making sure his little distraction doesn't actually kill anyone.

"Oh, no." He dismisses the construct. "I was just checking what happened to that rock a threw at the planet in our first fight. They managed to redirect it. I was a little worried I might have to go back."

"And what I just said is something Alan would ever say, and that's one of the reasons why I like him so much."
Yeah, Alan can be harsh when he needs to be, but at heart, he's a good man. Whereas OL is merely an okay man.

"Ah, thanks." Alan looks towards our next target. "Are they clustering up, or..?"

"Yes. Combined fleets in position to reinforce worlds we attack, with weak picket fleets around their worlds because they don't think we're going to perform ground strikes. A rational and pragmatic response which would cost them if any of their neighbours had the resolve to punish them for it."
Such as a race that had no concern or even concept of non-combatants or collateral damage.

I make eye contact with Jordan.

"Jordan."

"I'll talk to the local Lanterns when we're done here."
Good, see if any others have had similar lines of thought.

I nod. "Alan, you can make a zeta tube construct, right?"

"Yeah."
...Yeah, that would probably be the easy way to ship dozens of Capes out here.

"That's probably an easier way to get everyone into position than picking them up and carrying them. I think…"

I create a construct of the local systems… Yes, a rocky planetoid in an uncolonised system in Dominion space.
I expect it'll be up to whoever's playing bodyguard for Alan to provide an atmosphere, since I doubt everyone coming can breathe in space.

"Here?"

Alan considers the image for a moment, then nods. "Looks like it'll do. And we can attack wherever the Dominators have been keeping people in the same way."
Yep. OL's greediport makes for a quite useful infiltration method.

"Guess I'd better actually find them then."

But that's simple enough. Finding a Dominator who is interested in humans is impractical. Finding the desire sets normal to humans on the other hand is well within my abilities. Dominators -even Dominator civilians- just don't think in the same way as humans. If by some miracle the Dominion hasn't killed the majority of test subjects by now then I'll-.
I suspect any desire for freedom is deeply buried. They've probably given up all hope of rescue.

There.

"Found them. Feels like a few hundred." I point to a planet on the construct map. "Well worth rescuing. There might be more somewhere else, but I'm hopeful that we can interrogate the staff or their database for more information."
The computers would probably be easier to get information out of, unless there's someone high enough caste to know what they need.

"A few.. hundred?" Jordan's face falls. "But they took-."

"They didn't reach fourth place on my poop list by being nice people. I'll head back and set up the zeta transmitter on Earth. Signal me when you're ready."
Yeah, the casualty lists were in the thousands, weren't they. I guess the Science caste have been busy.

So, 'poke the nest' is done, now they're moving on to the rescue missions. Let's hope the folks they're bringing in are prepared for whatever they find down on the ground. Because I doubt it will be at all pleasant. I suspect thoughts of revenge will be brought to the forefront very soon. And still no sign of OL being proven wrong yet. What's the bet something will happen during the rescue attempt?


...some for other Dominators ad others heading for Oa.
...some for other Dominators and others heading for Oa.
Or our Earth something like that might not even get noticed.
On our Earth something like that might not even get noticed.
 
'short amount'
"rock I threw"
"would never"
Thank you, corrected.
...Okay. :confused: Brave man, knowing that decision would basically be throwing away his career.
In universe, his boss told him 'well done, here's where we need you next'.
...some for other Dominators and others heading for Oa.
On our Earth something like that might not even get noticed.
Thank you, corrected.
 
Where are all the packs of man eating wolves in Europe now? They seem fun.

Paul's not wrong about the little things being important, but there is a reason a lot of heroes don't go all scorched earth.

Those poor people. I hope they're not brainwashed or anything
 
My question is: where are all the packs of man eating wolves sieging cities in North America?
They don't siege cities, remember, most WWI and WWII battles were rural. Also, most wolves in North America are in the more rural West, IIRC (Colorado is in the process of reintroducing wolves and the mountain ranchers are really upset).
 
"And what I just said is something Alan would never say, and that's one of the reasons why I like him so much."
Honestly, this line feels kinda... off? Like, rationally, it's referring to the conversation about dealing with problems, but it's been enough of a gap between that and Alan's lines about ensuring the asteroid doesn't hit, that it feels as though OL is talking about that bit of dialogue instead, in which case since OL didn't actually say anything about asteroids, it feels as though it should be the opposite? "And what Alan just said is something I would never say, and that's one of the reasons why I like him so much." makes a bit more sense at that point in the dialogue, personally.
 
My question is: where are all the packs of man eating wolves sieging cities in North America?

North American wolves were hunted extensively, and to a limited degree still are in places, there's just too much land to cover to get them all even if you could get support to do it. Wolf Bounty is a thing in a lot of farming regions, and there's still Hunting licenses issued for them every year. A huge chunk of their historical regions got taken up by the smaller Coyote, but there are still plenty of wolves out there.

Yellowstone National Park had a reintroduction of wolves shipped from Canada to try and re-establish the species in the region years back that has been going strong.

Wolves on this side of the pond generally have a healthy dose of fear of humans, while the smaller coyotes don't have nearly as much of that fear. There are also encounters of wild dogs, wolves and coyote's all cross breeding, which leads to issues where the resulting coy-wolves, wolf-dogs and such are not spooked by humans and tend to be more urban and aggressive. But those are pretty rare.

Honestly the biggest threat to a wolf isn't a rifle in these parts, it's a semi's bumper.
 

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