Cuchulin
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Given I'm pretty sure Jack has a crush on her... That's not really a question likely to get a no...He turns and glances over his shoulder, to where a holomatter avatar on a bike waves an awkward greeting.
"That would depend on whether you ever want to see Arcee again."
Yeah, it'll be a few years before he turns up again. Optimus always does. But in the meantime... That leaves everyone with rather a conundrum. What with a major Decepticon leader expecting potentially divine assistance.16th October 2013
After Receiving The Bad News
"W-?" The human's confidence evaporates at Ratchet's sombre words. "Is there any way to get him out of the Well of All Sparks?"
"If there was, we would have already carried it out. Optimus transferred all of the sparks contained in the Allspark into the Matrix of Leadership in order to protect them from Unicron. Then he-." Ratchet blinks, his optics momentarily unfocusing. "The only way to return the sparks of every transformer who had ever lived was to enter the Well physically."
Boy, she's taking it hard, isn't she? Femme's always had a bigger heart than she pretends to.Arcee glares at him, though not with quite as much passion as she usually summoned up.
"Why do you even care?"
Yeah, Prime Wheeljack is like that. Quite a shift if you were used to his G1"Quite aside from the fact that Optimus Prime was a good guy and his death leaves a huge leadership vacuum… I just managed to talk Shockwave into standing down."
Wheeljack -who'd rather been ignoring the new arrival once he realised it was someone he wasn't supposed to blow up- suddenly perks up.
And you were lucky to manage that, too."You found Shocker? Let me just go get my-."
"Into standing down, after I convinced him that the only reason he's been fighting this long is because of the mnemosurgery inflicted on him by the Autobot High Council."
Oooh, yeah. I don't think most of them knew the Council did that sort of stuff.Arcee makes a dismissive gesture with her right hand. "You are so full of sludge. No Autobat would-."
Ultra Magnus and Ratchet look slightly awkward.
Yes, former Senator on the case. The big cheese had... Opinions about how things should be, of course."Would-." Arcee picks up on their discomfiture. "Ratchet?"
Ratchet inclines his head and takes a deep breath. "Though that sort of treatment wasn't something that Optimus would ever have sanctioned, his predecessor Sentinel Zeta Prime had… A very different attitude."
Yeah, yeah, Steve, we see you. Making yourself useful, I see.The human raises his eyebrows. "He organised the caste system which resulted in the enslavement of the majority of your species. He cut off peoples' hands and faces and rearranged their brains for peacefully disagreeing with him. He -more than anyone- was responsible for the war, and, yeah, I see the vehicons you've got around the place-"
One of the vehicons manning a console at the back of the room tries to look like it's not there.
...I don't see that going too well. Too much bad blood between Logical!Shockwave and... Pretty much everyone."-but if you want to convince the majority of Decepticons to accept an armistice then you need to stop pretending that there was no fault on the Autobot side at the start of the war."
"If Shockwave wished to speak with Optimus Prime, that isn't possible. If he wishes to participate in rebuilding Cybertron then we would… Accept him."
And probably a facelift. He had a handsome face, he deserves to get it back, after all."… Okay, good, I assumed that you'd be willing to do that, but he's also like to reverse the mnemosurgery so he can go back to being the good person he was before the war."
Arcee looks surprised. "Shockwave wants mnemosurgery?"
Though a change of colour scheme might also help. All that purple is not the best look, especially if he gets his old face back."He wants his original personality restored to how it was before Sentinel Prime made him what he is today. I thought that-. Since no one still functional knows mnemosurgery, the only thing I could think of that could restore him was… Well, Primus. And since Primus doesn't consciously interact with physical universe all that much, I was hoping that Optimus Prime could sort something out."
Ratchet nods thoughtfully, his right hand rubbing his chin. "Before the war, Shockwave was an advocate of peaceful reform. And it would be a powerful sign to the surviving Decepticons that we were being truthful about our desire for peace if he was seen working with us."
Drawing upon vague memories of G1 cartoon and comic metaknowledge, eh?Ultra Magnus nods. "But we can't do it. Prime's dead, and he took the Matrix of Leadership with him."
"Is there..?" The human looks up at the ceiling, perhaps looking for guidance in the stars. "Is there some way to make a new one? Or otherwise resurrect a dead transformers?"
Alchemist Prime, for example. At this point, though, straight up knocking on the ground and praying might prove more effective...Ratchet shakes his head. "The first recorded bearer of the Matrix of Leadership is Prima Prime, the first transformer created by Primus. It may well be that it was created by Primus." He thinks for a moment. "We could.. disarm Shockwave and escort him to the Well of All Sparks. Primus might decide to restore him to his former self."
"None of the original thirteen had any sort of supernatural healing abilities? Or.. any of their artefacts? I know you didn't finish going through your list of relics hidden on Earth."
It would probably require more energon than currently exists to re-fire the Forge. Unless you tried Nucleon or something... But there may be side-effects.Ultra Magnus pulls out his hammer, considers it and then looks at Ratchet. "Can we use energon to restore power to the Forge of Solus Prime?"
"The Forge of Solus Prime doesn't run on energon. One of the few things we know about it is that it uses a miniature neutron star as its power source. And we have no idea how to replace it." Ratchet starts pacing. "It might be possible to power it using energon instead, but I also have no idea where to even begin with something like that. The fact of the matter is that many of the relics of the Thirteen are so advanced that they might as well be magic."
Ah, the old Clarke's Third Law in action. I'm sure there are more things in Allspark and Earth than are dreamt of in your philosophy, old 'bot.The human lowers his gaze to Ratchet, not looking particularly hopeful. "Do any transformers know magic?"
"No. Magic isn't real. There are just technologies too advanced for us to understand."
For good reasons, I take it."Okay. Are there transformers who can reliably use technology you don't understand?"
Ratchet shakes his head again, continuing to pace. "If there are, they could be anywhere in the universe. I can think of only two places where there might be any records we could use, and both of them are out of our reach."
Yeah, okay, that's a damn good reason."And those are?"
"The first is Quintessa." The other Autobots wince. "The Quintessons has access to the Matrix of Leadership for hundreds of vorns. I find it unlikely that they wouldn't have studied it, if only to work out how to more effectively maintain their control."
As seen in 'Orion Pax, part 3'. If anyone wanted to rewatch it somehow.The human shakes his head. "I don't think you're ready for Great War Two."
"I agree. The second is Vector Sigma. It is a database of incalculable value. Unfortunately, during our last attempt to access it, scraplets got in and ate part of the access console."
...Only if you're Cybertronian."Okay, but the database itself should still be there, right? If it's just a matter of repairing the damage I've got Shockwave to work with."
"There is also the matter of accessing it. Only a Prime or someone given access by a Prime can get in. And then whoever was accessing it would have to study the records while avoiding the attention of the surviving scraplets."
See, old 'bot, the squishy little people can be useful!"Oh, no, that's easy." Ratchet looks unconvinced. "Just get some human scale glass gas sprayers and send human soldiers in to clear the place out." Ratchet's face falls slightly slack in astonishment. "Scraplets just ignore humans and glass gas only affects metal, so they wouldn't be in any danger."
"That… Is… True…"
I rather think it'd take rather a while if Pull had to do it himself."Honestly, using humans to clear this entire planet of scraplets isn't a terrible idea."
"Hey." Bulkhead focuses on the human. "Are you touting for work?"
Although it would mean letting humans have access to Cybertron. Which may be a little awkward. And difficult, given the enviornmental concerns. No breathable atmosphere, after all."I could put together a group of dependable men with military experience willing to work away from home, if the money's right. Or you could just talk to Agent Fowler."
Ratchet nods. "That may well work. Even if it provides no useful information on restoring either Optimus Prime or Shockwave, having access to Vector Sigma's archives would allow us to regain untold amount of lost information. But we still can't access it.. without…"
Because someone happens to have a key. But good luck getting his mother to agree to it.He exchanges a look with Arcee, while the human just frowns.
"Without what?"
Arcee shakes her head. "Without 'who'."
Surprisingly good advice, given what Pull's managed to far with just talk-fu.17th October 2013
17:13 GMT -7
Jackson Darby nervously regards the Decepticon-affiliated mercenary named Paul.
"I don't think I'm supposed to talk to you."
Oh, look, another human-Cybertronian romance. Seems to be a popular thing in this universe, doesn't it?He turns and glances over his shoulder, to where a holomatter avatar on a bike waves an awkward greeting.
"That would depend on whether you ever want to see Arcee again."
"You are so full of sludge. No Autobot would-."
Wow Paul could you have said that in a worse way?"That would depend on whether you ever want to see Arcee again."
I want Rachet to see real magic. Even if it's from another universe, that should blow his processors.The human lowers his gaze to Ratchet, not looking particularly hopeful. "Do any transformers know magic?"
"No. Magic isn't real. There are just technologies too advanced for us to understand."
Even after spending time with humans, Rachet, and other Cybertronians, continue to underestimate them."Oh, no, that's easy." Ratchet looks unconvinced. "Just get some human scale glass gas sprayers and send human soldiers in to clear the place out." Ratchet's face falls slightly slack in astonishment. "Scraplets just ignore humans and glass gas only affects metal, so they wouldn't be in any danger."
"That… Is… True…"
it not like he wrongI want Rachet to see real magic. Even if it's from another universe, that should blow his processors.
Thank you, corrected."You are so full of sludge. No Autobot would-."
"If Shockwave wished to speak with Optimus Prime, that isn't possible.
It's a lot more interesting then the main story that's for sure.
It really sounds like something a Gotham crime lord or a New God from Apokolips would say
That's actually the wrong Optimus; Cyberverse is a seperate continuity altogether. But he does return in the Aligned continuity partway through Robots in Disguise, after being trained by the Thirteen in the Realm of the Primes to be ready to battle Megatronus, aka The Fallen.
Nice seeing how Paul is surprised about Optimus sacrifice.16th October 2013
After Receiving The Bad News
"W-?" The human's confidence evaporates at Ratchet's sombre words. "Is there any way to get him out of the Well of All Sparks?"
I really appreciate that Paul respects Optimus as a good person and a leader, although not his leader."Why do you even care?"
"Quite aside from the fact that Optimus Prime was a good guy and his death leaves a huge leadership vacuum… I just managed to talk Shockwave into standing down."
A good way of pointing out at the start of the way neither side was innocent but later the Autobots cleaned up their act and the Decepticons really lost their way. Also nice to see that even though Optimus is gone, the Autobots are taking his lessons to heart or spark whichever is the case by accepting Shockwave."Into standing down, after I convinced him that the only reason he's been fighting this long is because of the mnemosurgery inflicted on him by the Autobot High Council."
Arcee makes a dismissive gesture with her right hand. "You are so full of sludge. No Autobot would-."
Ultra Magnus and Ratchet look slightly awkward.
"Would-." Arcee picks up on their discomfiture. "Ratchet?"
Ratchet inclines his head and takes a deep breath. "Though that sort of treatment wasn't something that Optimus would ever have sanctioned, his predecessor Sentinel Zeta Prime had… A very different attitude."
The human raises his eyebrows. "He organised the caste system which resulted in the enslavement of the majority of your species. He cut off peoples' hands and faces and rearranged their brains for peacefully disagreeing with him. He -more than anyone- was responsible for the war, and, yeah, I see the vehicons you've got around the place-"
One of the vehicons manning a console at the back of the room tries to look like it's not there.
"-but if you want to convince the majority of Decepticons to accept an armistice then you need to stop pretending that there was no fault on the Autobot side at the start of the war."
"If Shockwave wishes to speak with Optimus Prime, that isn't possible. If he wishes to participate in rebuilding Cybertron then we would… Accept him."
It would help signal the end of the war and could serve as an excuse for why the events of Robots in Disguise never happen. Though maybe some Decepticon lunatics try to free Unicron as a weapon for the cause. Where is the Chaos Bringer being kept anyway?"He wants his original personality restored to how it was before Sentinel Prime made him what he is today. I thought that-. Since no one still functional knows mnemosurgery, the only thing I could think of that could restore him was… Well, Primus. And since Primus doesn't consciously interact with the physical universe all that much, I was hoping that Optimus Prime could sort something out."
Ratchet nods thoughtfully, his right hand rubbing his chin. "Before the war, Shockwave was an advocate of peaceful reform. And it would be a powerful sign to the surviving Decepticons that we were being truthful about our desire for peace if he was seen working with us."
The Transformer Multiverse would argue about not being able to resurrect a dead Transformer but I suppose the Aligned universe might have that limit. By the way I'm pretty sure Prima was only ever called that and never Prima Prime."Is there..?" The human looks up at the ceiling, perhaps looking for guidance in the stars. "Is there some way to make a new one? Or otherwise resurrect a dead transformer?"
Ratchet shakes his head. "The first recorded bearer of the Matrix of Leadership is Prima Prime, the first transformer created by Primus. It may well be that it was created by Primus." He thinks for a moment. "We could.. disarm Shockwave and escort him to the Well of All Sparks. Primus might decide to restore him to his former self."
I would argue with there being no magic, Primus and Unicron were not just highly advanced robots, they were gods or at least powerful probably powerful energy beings who gained robotic vessels. So it stands to reason their powers were at least akin to magic and certainly not technology. Also I feel I should point out that the Forge of Solus Prime was broken by Predaking though in the Robots in Disguise comics it was apparently repaired.Ultra Magnus pulls out his hammer, considers it and then looks at Ratchet. "Can we use energon to restore power to the Forge of Solus Prime?"
"The Forge of Solus Prime doesn't run on energon. One of the few things we know about it is that it uses a miniature neutron star as its power source. And we have no idea how to replace it." Ratchet starts pacing. "It might be possible to power it using energon instead, but I also have no idea where to even begin with something like that. The fact of the matter is that many of the relics of the Thirteen are so advanced that they might as well be magic."
The human lowers his gaze to Ratchet, not looking particularly hopeful. "Do any transformers know magic?"
"No. Magic isn't real. There are just technologies too advanced for us to understand."
Quintessa was exclusive to the Michael Bay films and had no presence in the other universes, what's her story here?"The first is Quintessa." The other Autobots wince. "The Quintessons had access to the Matrix of Leadership for hundreds of vorns. I find it unlikely that they wouldn't have studied it, if only to work out how to more effectively maintain their control."
A good way of reinforcing the alliance between Transformers and humans."Okay, but the database itself should still be there, right? If it's just a matter of repairing the damage I've got Shockwave to work with."
"There is also the matter of accessing it. Only a Prime or someone given access by a Prime can get in. And then whoever was accessing it would have to study the records while avoiding the attention of the surviving scraplets."
"Oh, no, that's easy." Ratchet looks unconvinced. "Just get some human scale glass gas sprayers and send human soldiers in to clear the place out." Ratchet's face falls slightly slack in astonishment. "Scraplets just ignore humans and glass gas only affects metal, so they wouldn't be in any danger."
"That… Is… True…"
"Honestly, using humans to clear this entire planet of scraplets isn't a terrible idea."
Jack is now by great technicality the last Prime and truly is the only one who can help them. Are he and Arcee a couple?"I could put together a group of dependable men with military experience willing to work away from home, if the money's right. Or you could just talk to Agent Fowler."
Ratchet nods. "That may well work. Even if it provides no useful information on restoring either Optimus Prime or Shockwave, having access to Vector Sigma's archives would allow us to regain untold amount of lost information. But we still can't access it.. without…"
He exchanges a look with Arcee, while the human just frowns.
"Without what?"
Arcee shakes her head. "Without 'who'."
Have they ever met before?Jackson Darby nervously regards the Decepticon-affiliated mercenary named Paul.
"I don't think I'm supposed to talk to you."
Well, Paul could have made that sound less sinister.He turns and glances over his shoulder, to where a holomatter avatar on a bike waves an awkward greeting.
"That would depend on whether you ever want to see Arcee again."
It is not difficult to underestimate someone who is significantly less strong/durable on a 'per ton' basis and a tiny fraction of your mass.Even after spending time with humans, Rachet, and other Cybertronians, continue to underestimate them.
Saying that magic is just technology is much like saying biology is just chemistry which is just physics which is just maths. Technically true, from a certain point of view, but utterly worthless for all practical purposes.it not like he wrong
magic is just a way to control mana
so it is a technology that they don't understand, not that it too advance for them to comprehend
She doesn't exist. It is the Quintesson homeworld, as per the link. Going there can net you the Sharkticon Matrix of Leadership.Quintessa was exclusive to the Michael Bay films and had no presence in the other universes, what's her story here?
No and no. Jack suffered character decay in series 3 thanks to this halfwit, to the point that Miko was making better decisions than him.Jack is now by great technicality the last Prime and truly is the only one who can help them.
No. Actually, the way Arcee just sort of walked off at the end of series 3 was kind of harsh on him.
Yes.
I knew about the planet, I was talking about the entity, the so called Prime of life, but I had no idea the Sharkticon Matrix existed. Though to be fair I haven't read the novel where it appears and only read a few things about it. Thanks for letting me know about it.She does exist. It is the Quintesson homeworld, as per the link. Goind there can net you the Sharkticon Matrix of Leadership.
He is still the only one who can grant them access to Vector Sigma.No and no. Jack suffered character decay in series 3 thanks to this halfwit, to the point that Miko was making better decisions than him.
Ok thenNo. Actually, the way Arcee just sort of walked off at the end of series 3 was kind of harsh on him.
I'm not sure I would count that as having actually met.
Is it just me or are random evil goons named Steve that go to the good guys very common?
First it was The Owl House and now this.
Sorry, that was supposed to be 'doesn't'.I knew about the planet, I was talking about the entity, the so called Prime of life, but I had no idea the Sharkticon Matrix existed.
My brother in Primus, your species has physically intractable souls forged by a small g god who was himself forged by a primordial being that predates the universe and two of his apostles specifically were into spiritualism and magic."No. Magic isn't real. There are just technologies too advanced for us to understand."