With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

[Darko]

He set fire to drug stashes. With heat vision. From across the city. The stashes were in separate locations.

So as a result those locations would burn out of control as the fire service desperately tried to put them out, but suddenly there are far more fires than they're set up to handle.

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Even if it didn't lead to that, some of the early Superman comics had him destroying old buildings to force officials to make better buildings.

 

[RichardWhereat]

He set fire to drug stashes. With heat vision. From across the city. The stashes were in separate locations.

So as a result those locations would burn out of control as the fire service desperately tried to put them out, but suddenly there are far more fires than they're set up to handle.

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And he didn't fly there and use his breath weapon to put those fires out?

 

[Bud-E]

And he didn't fly there and use his breath weapon to put those fires out?

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No, if I'm remembering this right he purposely set those fires as a warning to not have drugs in this city anymore and said he would do it again if he ever saw drugs there again.

 

[_The_Bomb]

Saving the kids is good PR and it's very likely that the kids as well as their parents will have a more favorable opinion of Superheroes in general which helps all Superheroes a little bit. Those little bits add up and help keep any hostility by the government or others at bay.
So, it could very do much more in the long term for Superman and league as well as perhaps the universe than many of the other things OL talked about.

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In economics we call these things "positive externalities."

 

[I_S]

Ironically enough, "Paragon Paul" is the one that fails most succinctly to understand the purpose of superheros.

They are exemplars, archetypes, cough paragons even.

Much like Greek hero's and mid gothic pilgrims, we use superhero tales to create examples of correct behavior.

An entire league of pragmatic utilitarians just re-creates modern real politic but with spandex.

That's why the alt universe Justice Society feels so bad, they are just a government. Sure they may be well intentioned but by acting as the deciders of policy rather than the examples of good behavior, they make others subject to their policy. When a person makes a mistake others can call them out on it and engage in restorative justice. When an Institution makes a mistake, the integrity of their mission dictates that they must preserve their power base by concealing it.

Grayven Paul ironically enough, gets this idea so hard he's literally dating it.

 

[PDV]

Selective utilitarianism? Bad stuff

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Nah. It's strictly better than no utilitarianism at all, and far more sustainable even if you aren't enlightened. If you demand flawless utilitarianism what you get is burnout and 'deconversions'. If all you require is for people to spend a decent portion of their time (and/or their money) doing the best they can manage, and the rest of their time being selfish or working toward whatever ineffective 'nice' causes they want, what you get is quite a lot of effective, thoughtful utilitarian action.

 

[BR549]

Colonial language correction:

There's enough power in these wires to cause you a serious injury."

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That's good British English, which Clark wouldn't be using. Either 'cause you to suffer a serious injury' or 'to give you a serious injury' would be better, although (thinking as I'm writing) 'to seriously hurt you' would probably be the most likely phrasing he'd use.

 

[jonasquinn]

I enjoyed this update but I just, still have no idea where it's heading. It's fun seeing Superman be Superman but it's completely unbelievable, and in my opinion undesirable, that OL will ever be anything similar, it would be a fundamental change to his character and would completely alter everything in the story

Saving the kids is good PR and it's very likely that the kids as well as their parents will have a more favorable opinion of Superheroes in general which helps all Superheroes a little bit. Those little bits add up and help keep any hostility by the government or others at bay.
So, it could very do much more in the long term for Superman and league as well as perhaps the universe than many of the other things OL talked about.

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That… seems like an enormous exaggeration

Even if we say that Superman will eventually save enough children from situations that were potentially dangerous to equal the lives OL would save or improve doing any of the things he listed off for a couple of days the odds of the former having the same or greater impact as the latter are extremely small

 

[Assblaster5000]

That… seems like an enormous exaggeration

Even if we say that Superman will eventually save enough children from situations that were potentially dangerous to equal the lives OL would save or improve doing any of the things he listed off for a couple of days the odds of the former having the same or greater impact as the latter are extremely small

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Considering the fact that Narrative as a force of nature is an actual, canonical part of DC Superman doing Superman things may genuinely have a greater impact than any number of utilitarian acts. If Superman, the most Narratively important person in the DC multiverse, genuinely believes people are, underneath it all, fundamentally good then reality may well actively try and conform to that standard purely because The Main Character of DC wants it to be that way.

Combine that with The Collective Unconscious influencing things (more Mankind really since we get to special snowflakes because the writers said so) on an ontological level, making it so something just is so long as enough people believe that something is that way and you get a fun little picture where Uncomplicated Good Works + good PR = The most effective possible method of improving the multiverse.

I doubt that's where Zoat is going with this, or would ever even consider going, but metaphysics in DC as written make The League and Superman specially the META for improving people's lives. The fact that it comes in the form of Righteous Face Punching just makes it more entertaining for the readers.

 

[Mr Zoat]

12th December 2012
15:23 GMT +1

"…returning from Ungara within a few days."

I bring up the star chart.

"We're not expecting any real difficulty en route, so President Horne and I have organised a formal reception. Lex will be doing a… An internationalist speech, 'brotherhood of men' and not 'community of nations'." I lay down my notes and look around my colleagues in The Light. "Oh, I've been meaning to ask; how does everyone feel about involving aliens in the fleet?"

Circe turns her head slightly to the side, narrowing her eyes.

"I realise that Earth is your adopted home-."

"Other than me. I mean, as ratings, not administrators. I've been making my children watch Star Trek: the Next Generation, and I thought, you know, we could do that."

Clea shakes her head. "No. Perhaps in a few decades, once the institution is firmly established. Bringing in alien populations without a clear operational culture is simply asking for trouble."

Adom nods. "I am similarly sceptical. If it were a matter of an alliance with another power, I would leave it to you to asses their value. But everything we have learned about our neighbours in the stars is that they are weak and timorous. If we must implant steel in their spines before we can make any use of them…" He nods again. "I would rather wait."

Cranius smiles. "Implant zhe steel in zhe spine is not zo hard."

"Ah?" Richard smiles. "You've worked on aliens?"

"Not on whole ones, no. But zhe humanoid form has certain commonalities. It really would be no great difficulty to adapt zhem. In zhe brain, courage is expressed in zhe structures responsible for group-affiliation. Unless our neighbours are purely solitary creatures coming togezher only to mate, nudging zhem a little is no great task."

Lex's screen makes a small noise at it turns towards Cranius.

"I do not think that editing the brains of our recruits should be our first choice. Even if they are of limited use, there will be a few individuals who stand above their fellows." Another quiet whine from the screen's pedestal. "I am also against including aliens in the organisation. For now, at least."

I nod. "Fair enough. Richard?" He just shrugs. "Circe?"

"Are there magicians on any of them?"

"Other than Mars? No."

"Then I will also vote 'no'."

I nod. "Alright, that's a 'no' for now. Revisit in… Say, five years?" Nods. "Okay, that's me done. Ah… Richard."

"The Justice League have managed not to die for another month. Somehow." He leans forward, eyes peering over the top of his smoking glasses. "Do you know how much kryptonite there is on Earth?"

I shake my head. "Maybe half a tonne?"

"He turned into a giant with a double-digit IQ! I didn't know kryptonite could even do that!"

"I.. think the red stuff can have mutagenic effects..?"

"Consider that confirmed." He leans back, a black tendril restores his glasses to their accustomed perch. "Oh, and it turned out that Ian Karkull survived as a wraith in the Shadowlands. Once he stuck his head out of cover I was able to give him the boot, but you should probably keep an eye out so that Lane doesn't acquire him for his expertise."

"Samuel isn't quite as eager to recruit people likely to cause long term problems as some of his contemporaries, but thank you for the reminder. Any idea what he was up to?"

Richard sneers. "Infecting the minds of mortal men with dreadful visions, so far as I can tell. Though according to him, his original Transareal Beam has some sort of life-extension property. I'll be forwarding a copy of everything the League learned to The Screen."

The Screen displays a green oscilloscope of agreement. "That does sound interesting. Everything you've told me suggests that contact with the Shadowlands is inimical to human health."

"As far as I know, it is. All I can suggest is that it's something to do with how he made the connection, rather than the connection itself. Oh, and naturally Batman already has everything I've got."

"That is of no concern. Batman will work on a way to counter someone else using Karkull's technology. I would be exceedingly surprised if he used it to benefit humanity."

"Good! Good. And I'll get started on working out how to persuade my lady wife to use the thing." He reaches out with his right fist and knocks on the meeting table surface. "Next."

Cranius inflates his air sacs, but Clea pre-empts him.

"If you don't mind, Cranius. I fear that what I say will impact you most of all."

"But of course. I wait with circular breath."

"Ahri'ahn has appeared."

My armour starts to glow, and Cranius glowers. "Where?"

"Poseidonis. He just appeared in the middle of a meeting of city-state ambassadors for a meeting with High King Orin. The ambassadors were dismissed, so I'm not entirely certain what they were discussing."

She looks over to Richard with eyebrows raised, but he just shakes his head.

"Orin's been away for a few days, but that's not all that unusual. Nothing's been mentioned. Has he been ensorcelled?"

"I doubt it. High Queen Mera is an archmage, and the royal family have any number of enchanted artefacts to defend themselves with. Nothing that would stop Ahri'ahn for any length of time, but overwhelming them wouldn't be a simple matter."

Circe looks disgruntled. "I would offer my services, but I'm… Not yet strong enough to counter Ahri'ahn reliably."

I nod. "Obviously, we need to know what's going on. Orin having a chinwag with a man who attacked and killed US military personnel is going to disrupt a lot of things."

Clea nods. "Since I'm the face of the engagement movement, I am the natural choice to find out what he thinks he's doing."

"Do you want me to be there? Or Sunset? I'm confident that I can tough out anything he can throw at me, and Sunset's a rather good thaumaturgist."

"No, this is an internal Atlantean matter at present. It would be better, politically, if I handled this myself."

I nod again. "Alright. Just remember that the rest of us are a phone call away."

"I will. Thank you. The only other thing of note I have to report is that Aurania is suffering from my trade embargo. People are actually leaving the city to live elsewhere as the economy falters."

I shrug. "Does that..? Affect our operations in Atlantis in some way?"

"There will be a few more magic tutors looking for work. I'll send Circe a list of the more capable ones who might be interested in relocating to the surface." Circe gives her a grateful nod. "But I mostly just wanted an opportunity to be smug out loud. Revenge after so long feels like a tremendous weight I'd forgotten I was carrying has been lifted from me."

It's unproductive, but it's not really a problem if one Atlantean city gets frozen out.

"Alright, but try to keep it under control. I don't want to alienate Orin."

She waves off my concern. On her head be it, then.

"Adom…"

 

[Mr Zoat]

Ironically enough, "Paragon Paul" is the one that fails most succinctly to understand the purpose of superheros.

They are exemplars, archetypes, cough paragons even.

Much like Greek hero's and mid gothic pilgrims, we use superhero tales to create examples of correct behavior.

An entire league of pragmatic utilitarians just re-creates modern real politic but with spandex.

That's why the alt universe Justice Society feels so bad, they are just a government. Sure they may be well intentioned but by acting as the deciders of policy rather than the examples of good behavior, they make others subject to their policy. When a person makes a mistake others can call them out on it and engage in restorative justice. When an Institution makes a mistake, the integrity of their mission dictates that they must preserve their power base by concealing it.

Grayven Paul ironically enough, gets this idea so hard he's literally dating it.

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That's the usual purpose of superheroes in fiction. If they existed in the real world, I imagine people would be a lot more practical about it.

 

[Mr Zoat]

Colonial language correction:

That's good British English, which Clark wouldn't be using. Either 'cause you to suffer a serious injury' or 'to give you a serious injury' would be better, although (thinking as I'm writing) 'to seriously hurt you' would probably be the most likely phrasing he'd use.

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Thank you, corrected.

 

[Breadnaught]

Aurania is suffering from my trade embargo. People are actually leaving the city to live elsewhere as the economy falters."

It's unproductive, but it's not really a problem if one Atlantean city gets frozen out.

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That's going to bite him in the ass, isn't it?

Yes Grayven, Atlantean Moses, who happens to be a dangerous extremist, is becoming active. And oh look, an Atlantean city suffering economic hardship, with a population probably growing increasingly disgruntled and venerable to radicalization. I'm sure those two things won't cause a problem at all.

 

[Zig]

That's going to bite him in the ass, isn't it?

Yes Grayven, Atlantean Moses, who happens to be a dangerous extremist, is becoming active. And oh look, an Atlantean city suffering economic hardship, with a population probably growing increasingly disgruntled and venerable to radicalization. I'm sure those two things won't cause a problem at all.

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This obviously isn't the Ahri'ahn that appeared in Season 4 but I doubt it's the real one either.

 

[Chojin Patriarch]

12th December 2012
15:23 GMT +1

"…returning from Ungara within a few days."

I bring up the star chart.

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Since most of the Renegade's New Light would have little knowledge of the stars. Except to be aware of what dangers may spring forth from certain alignments, or alien fleets coming their way... Not that that will be as big a threat as they used to be.

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"We're not expecting any real difficulty en route, so President Horne and I have organised a formal reception. Lex will be doing a… An internationalist speech, 'brotherhood of men' and not 'community of nations'." I lay down my notes and look around my colleagues in The Light. "Oh, I've been meaning to ask; how does everyone feel about involving aliens in the fleet?"

Circe turns her head slightly to the side, narrowing her eyes.

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I mean, one alien is already involved. Are you talking exceptional individuals, or taking in conquered forces?

"I realise that Earth is your adopted home-."

"Other than me. I mean, as ratings, not administrators. I've been making my children watch Star Trek: the Next Generation, and I though, you know, we could do that."

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...And that is entirely normal for the Renegade to consider a good reason to ask, I suppose.

Clea shakes her head. "No. Perhaps in a few decades, once the institution is firmly established. Bringing in alien populations without a clear operational culture is simply asking for trouble."

Adom nods. "I am similarly sceptical. If it were a matter of an alliance with another power, I would leave it to you to asses their value. But everything we have learned about our neighbours in the stars is that they are weak and timorous. If we must implant steel in their spines before we can make any use of them…" He nods again. "I would rather wait."

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The veteran rulers have the right of it, I think. Better to master what you have than try to make a potentially volatile mix.

Cranius smiles. "Implant zhe steel in zhe spine is not zo hard."

"Ah?" Richard smiles. "You've worked on aliens?"

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I don't think Adom meant that literally, Cranius. Not one for figures of speech, are you?

"Not on whole ones, no. But zhe humanoid form has certain commonalities. It really would be no great difficulty to adapt zhem. In zhe brain, courage is expressed in zhe structures responsible for group-affiliation. Unless our neighbours are purely solitary creatures coming togezher only to mate, nudging zhem a little is no great task."

Lex's screen makes a small noise at it turns towards Cranius.

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"I'm a part-time mad scientist, and even I think that's a little much..."

"I do not think that editing the brains of our recruits should be our first choice. Even if they are of limited use, there will be a few individuals who stand above their fellows." Another quiet whine from the screen's pedestal. "I am also against including aliens in the organisation. For now, at least."

I nod. "Fair enough. Richard?" He just shrugs. "Circe?"

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Well, of course Lex would say that. Though given humanity's track record with aliens thus far...

"Are there magicians on any of them?"

"Other than Mars? No."

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Well, none who are what you'd call neighbours, anyway.

"Then I will also vote 'no'."

I nod. "Alright, that's a 'no' for now. Revisit in… Say, five years?" Nods. "Okay, that's me done. Ah… Richard."

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Giving his little update on the League, since the Renegade isn't as closely tied to them, of course.

"The Justice League have managed not to die for another month. Somehow." He leans forward, eyes peering over the top of his smoking classes. "Do you know how much kryptonite there is on Earth?"

I shake my head. "Maybe half a tonne?"

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To be fair, all it takes is a pebble to have some effect on Kryptonians.

"He turned into a giant with a double-digit IQ! I didn't know kryptonite could even do that!"

"I.. think the red stuff can have mutagenic effects..?"

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Ah, silver-age madness. Where the eye-catching cover came first, and the actual story second...

"Consider that confirmed." He leans back, a black tendril restores his glasses to their accustomed perch. "Oh, and it turned out that Ian Karkull survived as a wraith in the Shadowlands. Once he stuck his head out of cover I was able to give him the boot, but you should probably keep an eye out so that Lane doesn't acquire him for his expertise."

"Samuel isn't quite as eager to recruit people likely to cause long term problems as some of his contemporaries, but thank you for the reminder. Any idea what he was up to?"

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Yeah, best not to work with people who consider poking eldritch alternate dimensions to be a hobby. Much less their life-work.

Richard sneers. "Infecting the minds of mortal men with dreadful visions, so far as I can tell. Though according to him, his original Transareal Beam has some sort of life-extension property. I'll be forwarding a copy of everything the League learned to The Screen."

The Screen displays a green oscilloscope of agreement. "That does sound interesting. Everything you've told me suggests that contact with the Shadowlands is inimical to human health."

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...I assume that's just the Renegade having a little fun with Lex's little remote contact display. Since he's still trying to be anonymous in this thing?

"As far as I know, it is. All I can suggest is that it's something to do with how he made the connection, rather than the connection itself. Oh, and naturally Batman already has everything I've got."

"That is of no concern. Batman will work on a way to counter someone else using Karkull's technology. I would be exceedingly surprised if he used it to benefit humanity."

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Now, Bruce Wayne, on the other hand... Though I suspect it will still be one of those 'dangerous to the user' methods.

"Good! Good. And I'll get started on working out how to persuade my lady wife to use the thing." He reaches out with his right fist and knocks on the meeting table surface. "Next."

Cranius inflates his air sacs, but Clea pre-empts him.

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Since his lady love, Hope O'Dare, is merely human... For now, anyway. Who knows what could happen?

"If you don't mind, Cranius. I fear that what I say will impact you most of all."

"But of course. I wait with circular breath."

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...Because he can't hold his breath, I suppose. Drawback of said air-sacs being comparatively small...

"Ahri'ahn has appeared."

My armour starts to glow, and Cranius glowers. "Where?"

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And how soon can they get there? The old fellow's still in need of a good beating or two.

"Poseidonis. He just appeared in the middle of a meeting of city-state ambassadors for a meeting with High King Orin. The ambassadors were dismissed, so I'm not entirely certain what they were discussing."

She looks over to Richard with eyebrows raised, but he just shakes his head.

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So, Aquaman hasn't mentioned it to the league? Suspicious.

"Orin's been away for a few days, but that's not all that unusual. Nothing's been mentioned. Has he been ensorcelled?"

"I doubt it. High Queen Mera is an archmage, and the royal family have any number of enchanted artefacts to defend themselves with. Nothing that would stop Ahri'ahn for any length of time, but overwhelming them wouldn't be a simple matter."

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Unless he's using some sympathetic aspect of their very biomantically-enhanced physiques to do so. Like having root access via remote terminal on a PC...

Circe looks disgruntled. "I would offer my services, but I'm… Not yet strong enough to counter Ahri'ahn reliably."

I nod. "Obviously, we need to know what's going on. Orin having a chinwag with a man who attacked and killed US military personnel is going to disrupt a lot of things."

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I'm surprised he even talked to the guy. Presumably aware that he's very dangerous, or simply taken in by a handsome face and a diplomatic manner...

Clea nods. "Since I'm the face of the engagement movement, I am the natural choice to find out what he thinks he's doing."

"Do you want me to be there? Or Sunset? I'm confident that I can tough out anything he can throw at me, and Sunset's a rather good thaumaturgist."

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Though not as good a battlemage as she could be. Comes from being a horse at heart, more likely to retreat from a threat than fight it...

"No, this is an internal Atlantean matter at present. It would be better, politically, if I handled this myself."

I nod again. "Alright. Just remember that the rest of us are a phone call away."

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And a boom-tube away from planting a boot so far up Ari'ahn's backside he'll taste shoe leather.

"I will. Thank you. The only other thing of note I have to report is that Aurania is suffering from my trade embargo. People are actually leaving the city to live elsewhere as the economy falters."

I shrug. "Does that..? Affect our operations in Atlantis in some way?"

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Yeah, will Orin be concerned enough to step in, or...

"There will be a few more magic tutors looking for work. I'll send Circe a list of the more capable ones who might be interested in relocating to the surface." Circe gives her a grateful nod. "But I mostly just wanted an opportunity to be smug out loud. Revenge after so long feels like a tremendous weight I'd forgotten I was carrying has been lifted from me."

It's unproductive, but it's not really a problem if one Atlantean city gets frozen out.

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...Until it turns out you need something from that city somewhere down the line.

"Alright, but try to keep it under control. I don't want to alienate Orin."

She waves off my concern. On her head be it, then.

"Adom…"

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Renegade as ever, making short-term decisions without considering the results...

A pleasant little business meeting, and a good catch-up on things on the Renegade side. Let's hope those things don't come back to bite them in the arse. Then again, it's always amusing for us to watch when that does happen. A little messy, but....At any rate, it's always nice to be reminded of how far the two timelines have diverged. Wouldn't catch the Renegade doing community service stuff...

 

[AmericanNumbers]

I mean, yes Arion will likely be a problem for Grayven's group but with the assets they have in play they're pretty well equipped to handle it most likely. Adom, Shade and post merger Grayven with Pony support could likely handle anything other than Darkseid directly.

 

[Ngamer11]

"The Justice League have managed not to die for another month. Somehow." He leans forward, eyes peering over the top of his smoking classes. "Do you know how much kryptonite there is on Earth?"

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That should say 'glasses'.

This obviously isn't the Ahri'ahn that appeared in Season 4 but I doubt it's the real one either.

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It was confirmed in-universe that Ahri'ahn time travels to the future and periodically appears before time travelling again and I think Circe was able to confirm that the guy who showed up was the real deal.

 

[Assblaster5000]

Star Trek: the Next Generation, and I though,

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'and I thought'

 

[Fellow]

. "I am also against including aliens in the organisation. For now, at least."

I nod. "Fair enough. Richard?" He just shrugs. "Circe?"

"Are there magicians on any of them?"

"Other than Mars? No."

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I thought that the planet the chaos lord Mordru was from was in regular contact with Renegade. They're magic aliens.

 

[DrThoth]

I thought that the planet the chaos lord Mordru was from was in regular contact with Renegade. They're magic aliens.

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Maybe it's 'just' another dimensional counterpart of Earth? But I forget specifics so I could be wrong.

 

[Mr Zoat]

This obviously isn't the Ahri'ahn that appeared in Season 4 but I doubt it's the real one either.

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I haven't watched series four, and I'm probably not going to.

That should say 'glasses'.

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'and I thought'

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Thank you, corrected.

I thought that the planet the chaos lord Mordru was from was in regular contact with Renegade. They're magic aliens.

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Yes, but they're well outside of the Sector.

 

[Belenus]

That's the usual purpose of superheroes in fiction. If they existed in the real world, I imagine people would be a lot more practical about it.

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You have tremendous faith in humanity.

 

[Dakkan Sall]

I mean, as ratings, not administrators.

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I'm not entirely sure what Grayven means here by 'ratings.' With the mention of Star Trek does he mean in the way of audience/viewer/observer opinion, or something else?

 

[Mr Zoat]

You have tremendous faith in humanity.

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'There are, as ever, only evil people and evil people. But some of them are on opposite sides.'

I'm not entirely sure what Grayven means here by 'ratings.' With the mention of Star Trek does he mean in the way of audience/viewer/observer opinion, or something else?

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Ratings.

 

[Stsword]

I mean, yes Arion will likely be a problem for Grayven's group but with the assets they have in play they're pretty well equipped to handle it most likely. Adom, Shade and post merger Grayven with Pony support could likely handle anything other than Darkseid directly.

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This is probably "burnt out his magic and so is reliant on magical artifacts" Arion, since that was the Arion known for time travelling to the present to make a nuisance of himself in the comics.

Maybe it's 'just' another dimensional counterpart of Earth? But I forget specifics so I could be wrong.

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Zerox. Which in the comics is sometimes a different planet, and sometimes it's the extradimensional Gemworld, becoming known as Zerox in the future when it is transported into the universe.

Generally colonized by mages from Earth who decided they were tired of sharing the planet with muggles.

 

[Darko]

"Samuel isn't quite as eager to recruit people likely to cause long term problems as some of his contemporaries

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Well this version isn't so eager.

His comic counterpart is eager.

 

[Darko]

So, Aquaman hasn't mentioned it to the league? Suspicious

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Either Arion is preventing him, or maybe they didn't tell Shade since they know about his connection to renegade and wanted to keep him out of it.

I'm surprised he even talked to the guy. Presumably aware that he's very dangerous, or simply taken in by a handsome face and a diplomatic manner

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The fact that he's dangerous could be why he talked to him.

He could have been worried about the guy going on a rampage if he feels disrespected.

Plus, Arion is a very major figure in Atlantis, so who knows what kind of influence he could have wielded.

YJ showed what would happen if he came back.

It would be like George Washington returning.

With all the negative sides.

Though not as good a battlemage as she could be. Comes from being a horse at heart, more likely to retreat from a threat than fight it...

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She's more of a researcher than a fighter.

While she has been in fights before, they were very few.

Now Twilight may be a better choice, since she's dealt with all sorts of crazy crap.

 

[Windona]

Ah, Mr Zoat, you were disenchanted with s3 too?

It's good to catch up with the Renegade. Gotta love Shade complain about Kryptonite and the way they all casually work together. It feels more congenial than the Canon Light.

 

[Mr Zoat]

Ah, Mr Zoat, you were disenchanted with s3 too?

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I watched a few episodes of S4. I stopped after the Legion appeared for the first time. I don't remember exactly why I lost interest, but S3 didn't exactly impress me with Batman's stupidity and the League in general. Also, their characteristation of Black Lightning was completely off.

It's good to catch up with the Renegade. Gotta love Shade complain about Kryptonite and the way they all casually work together. It feels more congenial than the Canon Light.

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The canon Light only really appear when they're sinistering for the camera.

 

[Windona]

I watched a few episodes of S4. I stopped after the Legion appeared for the first time. I don't remember exactly why I lost interest, but S3 didn't exactly impress me with Batman's stupidity and the League in general. Also, their characteristation of Black Lightning was completely off.

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Yeah, for all Black Lightning was said to care about the kids and be a leader, he didn't really show it. But uh, don't think this is the place for me to rant about s3.

The canon Light only really appear when they're sinistering for the camera.

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True, but even then they don't have quite the same casual talk that the Renegade's group does. We have sent business meetings on screen, but Bad Samaritan seems the only one to comment on their own weaknesses and be so forthcoming in canon.