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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

She makes eye contact with me, then pointedly glances at John. "Did you ever… Check him out?"
Well, I suppose he does have a decent ass. Oh, you didn't mean that kind of checking out?

This just reminds me of the ex-Doctor Fate from the Suicide Squad: Hell to Pay animated movie, who works as a gogo dancer. Now THAT would have been a fun character to replace Nabu.
 
"It's not like I don't get than banning it doesn't suddenly give the women doing it new jobs, I just…"
"It's not like I don't get that banning it doesn't suddenly give the women doing it new jobs, I just…"
Thank you, corrected.
"Artemis, moving to the police line. Ring, what's happening?"
"
Artemis, get moving to the police line. Ring, what's happening?"
(or simply 'move to')
No, that was intentional.
 
I realize it's just Rocket being rocket, but she is really starting to get on my nerves.

On one hand I love it because it means she's well written enough that she can, on the other I'm annoyed even more because I've about worn a hole in my shoes whilst jogging to help deal with the tension and sheer frustration she inspires every time she opens her mouth and spouts off with the same dime a dozen line.

so kudos mr Zoat, love your writing and your characters, I'm going to go make the holes in my shoe bigger after reading this chapter. :)

Hopefully Rocket does get inspired by Paragon's drive and advice, trying to solve these social issues via non-superhero methods. I can appreciate her sentiments, though I agree she can be grating; what makes it tolerable for me is the fact that she does think about these things while more typical mainstream characters don't or can't. It also helps that basically every other hero is similarly passive or non-proactive about these issues and the socio-economic factors causing crime in the first place- just something to accept from the genre or medium, since heroes fighting crime is one of the most fundamental tropes, but that's exactly why the SI's actions are so interesting. It disappoints me that most other characters don't emulate him, though I can understand their reasons in most cases.
 
Hopefully Rocket does get inspired by Paragon's drive and advice, trying to solve these social issues via non-superhero methods. I can appreciate her sentiments, though I agree she can be grating; what makes it tolerable for me is the fact that she does think about these things while more typical mainstream characters don't or can't. It also helps that basically every other hero is similarly passive or non-proactive about these issues and the socio-economic factors causing crime in the first place- just something to accept from the genre or medium, since heroes fighting crime is one of the most fundamental tropes, but that's exactly why the SI's actions are so interesting. It disappoints me that most other characters don't emulate him, though I can understand their reasons in most cases.

Grayven mentions that the Justice League members individually do things like that.
Painful silence. Miss Ervin in particular looks rather shocked. "Are you sure you're not a supervillain?"

I sigh and shake my head. "If I were a supervillain it wouldn't bother me so much."

"Well… Icon and me did search and rescue. We didn't punch anyone in the face for that."

"Search and rescue. That must be why you've mass produced copies of your belt and handed them out to Dakota City's emergency services."

"I don't see you producing power rings!"

"I can't. Quite aside from the fact that orange rings have a tendency to drive people mad, making them is an incredibly involved and time consuming process. I have, however, reproduced Apokoliptian armour and weaponry and offered to make any baseline Human whom I trust a god, a list that includes all of my team mates and the entire Justice League. I could equip others but I don't want to risk such powerful technology falling into the wrong hands, by which I mean not only supervillains but also national militaries. There are Fire Pits where people used Apokoliptian technology unwisely."

"Diana does charity work. Lots of it, actually."

"Yes Kon, she certainly does. And Batman funds education scholarships and the Atom is an inspiring physics teacher and Icon takes any number of court cases pro bono and.. so on. In their private lives they are actually quite creative in finding other causes to champion. But they don't do any of that through the League."
 
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Honestly I like Rocket. Even if she's not going about it the best way she's still concerned about more than just righteous face punching, which is more than can be said about a lot of superheroes. She's also a teenager and thus allowed to be dumb. I don't think the track OL is taking with her is the best option though. She seems the type that needs to come to conclusions herself instead of being told.
 
"Okay, you don't like it. How would you fix it? What do you want?"

"To suddenly give every woman working in the sex-."

"Just the women?"

"Most-. Yeah, okay, everyone working in the sex trade a better education. High school graduate level. And-."
Glad Paul pointed that out, and that she listened.

"Do you have good data on what proportion lack that level of education? As opposed to taking it up due to a lack of employment opportunities and sticking with it due to the relatively high tax free pay?"
Some of them lack the education due to not being old enough to finish high school, nor smart/motivated/focused enough to skip grades. I suspect that Icon's attitude toward the pimps who take advantage of them is somewhat different from how he reacts to normal pimps, and Rocket likewise.

Mind you, as someone else pointed out, a few of them are doing it because they enjoy it and can make a lot of money from it, rather than because they lack the education to do otherwise (though I'd expect a lot of those to be in Nevada). I look forward to Rocket finding that out.

Honestly I like Rocket. Even if she's not going about it the best way she's still concerned about more than just righteous face punching, which is more than can be said about a lot of superheroes. She's also a teenager and thus allowed to be dumb. I don't think the track OL is taking with her is the best option though. She seems the type that needs to come to conclusions herself instead of being told.
Well, at least he's giving her the opportunity to try, as well as helping to encourage her education (she might even learn some things just to spite him, which can be pretty effective motivation in humans).
 
Personally, on the topic of prostitution, while I can't say that I'm for it what we currently have isn't ideal, and I'm not sure if there's a way to improve things without proper regulation and de-stigmitization. That would require, on a level, legalization.
 
Personally, on the topic of prostitution, while I can't say that I'm for it what we currently have isn't ideal, and I'm not sure if there's a way to improve things without proper regulation and de-stigmitization. That would require, on a level, legalization.
Agreed, but we probably shouldn't go into any further detail on this forum.
 
To be fair the British Royal Family is mostly a glorified tourist atraction nowadays, not the one making most of the choices on how to rule the U.K.

To be entirely fair, the Queen has maintained a supprisingly active background position as an advisor, I think that's the closest word I can Grok when this short in sleep, to the prime minister, though I'll agree the rest of the royals are usually fairly quiet when the tabloids aren't frothing at the mouth...


w.wait.. could it be? Please tell us it IS snowflame- someone poke Linkara!
 
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Some of them lack the education due to not being old enough to finish high school, nor smart/motivated/focused enough to skip grades. I suspect that Icon's attitude toward the pimps who take advantage of them is somewhat different from how he reacts to normal pimps, and Rocket likewise.

Mind you, as someone else pointed out, a few of them are doing it because they enjoy it and can make a lot of money from it, rather than because they lack the education to do otherwise (though I'd expect a lot of those to be in Nevada). I look forward to Rocket finding that out.
A while ago I was googling something about historical prostitution and found a marvellous example of an American priest who asked a group of prostitutes if they'd consider alternate occupations. Once they heard what the pay was they laughed at the idea. When I wrote this I tried to find it again and had no luck.
Agreed, but we probably shouldn't go into any further detail on this forum.
No, prostitution has existed for more than twenty years. You just can't reference recent examples of actual law.
w.wait.. could it be? Please tell us it IS snowflame- someone poke Linkara!
...

Yes. An episode called 'Angelic' set in cities featured in Supergirl comics and featuring a character with fire powers... Is going to include Snowflame.

You're all far too clever for me.
 
When talking prostitution, I always am reminded of the fact that the vast majority were abused as children.

https://sex-crimes.laws.com/prostitution/prostitution-statistics

I don't really like prostitution because of that. There's a lot of proof that most people involoved have issues, and it might give them money, but it doesn't help their mental state.

We do what we can, I guess.
 
When talking prostitution, I always am reminded of the fact that the vast majority were abused as children.

https://sex-crimes.laws.com/prostitution/prostitution-statistics

I don't really like prostitution because of that. There's a lot of proof that most people involoved have issues, and it might give them money, but it doesn't help their mental state.

We do what we can, I guess.

The stigma around it certainly doesn't do them any favors in getting them the help they need though.
 
The stigma around it certainly doesn't do them any favors in getting them the help they need though.
True.

I'm not sure sex work has any upside for them, though. What little I've seen suggests it renforces the idea that it was right what happened to them.

There is a very high number of abuse victims who end up as abusers themselves, aparently because they end up rationalising what happened to them as acceptable or right, and as such they should take out their confusion and pain on kids. On a simliar note, many end up with twisted sexuality, and wake up after therapy or time, to realise that they aren't gay, or a sadist, or even straight.

It's pretty horrible, and many victims end up in positions like prostitution, even though they feel degraded in them, while some other people act as if they(former victims) caused the problem. And then, they have kids, and usualy, those kids live in Hell, with a usualy single, and broken, parent.


Some get better, but many don't.


I just wish most people campaining about such things knew what they were talking about.

After all, the highest rating job for pedos? Despite the media going on, and on, and ON, it's got nothing to do with the Church. It's teachers.

And who even knows that? Infuriating.

Anyway, not much to do with this fic, I guess.
 
Is this a Britishism? In my experience this should be "customers" but I acknowledge it could be regional.

Rocket, when an Orange Lantern asks you what you want, he's not asking how you want to solve the problem. He's asking what the problem you want to solve is.
It's an XY problem.

I don't really like prostitution because of that. There's a lot of proof that most people involoved have issues, and it might give them money, but it doesn't help their mental state.
There's a bit of a causation vs correlation issue here. A number of facts greatly complicate the analysis. The page you linked teases at this issue by citing a number of countries in the world that have legalized and/or regulated prostitution. But then every other statistic on the page is specifically about the United States.

Because prostitution is illegal, the following things are true:
* It commands higher prices.
* It pushes away workers who feel they might have other more meaningful alternatives.
* It attracts clients that have less regard for the law.
* It discourages victims from seeking help.
* It encourages carrying out operations in places where a crime wouldn't have witnesses.
* It encourages people to see workers as criminals and undesirables, making them more likely to become targets.

Compare the statistics around prostitution to statistics for other kinds of criminals compared to the general average. The correlations are pretty significant. I won't fall into the causation vs correlation fallacy by saying that this directly implies anything, but it's a suggestive comparison, and one that ought to encourage further research.
 
"What the hell just happened?"
Someone didn't want a lawyer to look over the magical contract?
Hard to find the loophole or escape clause without access to the actual terms agreed to.

Or even worse, imagine if the "drags you bodily to Hell after five years" isn't actually agreed to anywhere at all in the compact. Evidence the Succubus Queen is routinely in breach of contract whenever she does that sounds like something that be used by a competent magician to fuck her over.

Also, they were deliberately altering the minds of their clients in order to secure repeat custom."
Yeah, not really the best showing.
Not comfortable calling a low level charm mind control.
Humans attitudes being influenced by external factors is the norm more than the exception.
Way more attention is routinely given to who is doing the talking than what they are saying.
Are they pretty, do they smell nice, do they act self assured even if they are sprouting utter bullshit.
This sounds like one more of those things, that influences but does not actually control.
Like the magical equivalent of subtle perfume, big tits, a come hither look, and a sexy giggle.

Actually, I think we've seen more overt control exerted by OL in the story.
Didn't he used to use instinctive desire control to help entice others to accepting deals he was proposing?
If OL wasn't brought up on charges of Mind Control™ for that then this just smacks of hypocritical bullshit.

Is this a Britishism?
No. Custom is an actual word.
It means to give someone your business.
As in if a custom is something you habitually do, then if what you habitually do covers going to the same place...
You get custom as another way to say "the money you get from me because I chose you as a service provider over a competitor."
 
No. Custom is an actual word.
It means to give someone your business.
As in if a custom is something you habitually do, then if what you habitually do covers going to the same place...
You get custom as another way to say "the money you get from me because I chose you as a service provider over a competitor."
I'm aware that it's an actual word. I'm also aware that your suggested meaning is a false derivation. It's more related to the word "customs" (as in import/export controls) than to the word "custom" meaning tradition or habit. The original definition of "customer" was a tax collector; yes, it's true that they were called that because it became a familiar routine to have the tax collector demand your money, but the two uses split long before "customer" started being used in a business context.

I looked it up. Is IS a Britishism. It seems to be a back-formation from "customer."
 
Not comfortable calling a low level charm mind control.
Humans attitudes being influenced by external factors is the norm more than the exception.
Way more attention is routinely given to who is doing the talking than what they are saying.
Are they pretty, do they smell nice, do they act self assured even if they are sprouting utter bullshit.
This sounds like one more of those things, that influences but does not actually control.
Like the magical equivalent of subtle perfume, big tits, a come hither look, and a sexy giggle.
More like the magical equivalent of slipping them an aphrodisiac on the sly. The stuff you describe alters the input, magical mental influence and drugs alter processing and/or output directly, which denies agency in choice where altering input alone doesn't. Illusionary makeup and outfits? Fine. Divination to learn their kinks? Sure. Mind control where the influence is subtle? Still mind control, and right out.
 
Mr Zoat, off-topic, but you have added characters that were originally from Vertigo and Milestone and were later added to DC. Will we also see Wildstorm characters in your work in the future? I can see Paul helping Gen13 and Grayven helping DV8.
 

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