With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

Windona · Oct 31, 2022

Ah, this is going to go badly if they keep committing suicide.

...at this point, what is the global population of E16? Between the separation of the worlds, Sheeda, and now this I expect it to be far below our IRL population.

Vaermina · Oct 31, 2022

Zig said:
Of those, how many are immune or even resistant to antilife? Mannheim got freaking Scott Free. Hephaestean could probably fight it off for a while but he'd also have the most disastrous consequences if he were to succumb. The Sivana's are probably so susceptible that they are wallowing in their missery all the way on Venus. The Martians? Do you want to give your enemy unstoppable super soldiers?

The Sivana's have robots, and he already confirmed the effect doesn't really reach past mid orbit.

And unless Zoat nerf's them, Martians should be highly resistant.

Windona · Oct 31, 2022

Vaermina said:
The Sivana's have robots, and he already confirmed the effect doesn't really reach past mid orbit.

And unless Zoat nerf's them, Martians should be highly resistant.

If by "nerf" you mean "within YJ canon levels" no Martians aren't resistant

Vaermina · Oct 31, 2022

Windona said:
If by "nerf" you mean "within YJ canon levels" no Martians aren't resistant

Young Justice canon levels has them being resistant...

Zig · Oct 31, 2022

Vaermina said:
Young Justice canon levels has them being resistant...

Megan managed to resist long enough to get off one attack. Martian Manhunter didn't even get that. And that was against the nerfed antilife in canon, Zoat seems to be using a stronger version of it

The Sivana's have robots, and he already confirmed the effect doesn't really reach past mid orbit.

My point is that they are so susceptible they are still being hit even though they are ostensibly out of range.

Stsword · Oct 31, 2022

Windona said:
If by "nerf" you mean "within YJ canon levels" no Martians aren't resistant

If anything I've taken note that Zoat's Martians seem more powerful than they are supposed to be in the YJ cartoon.

The YJ authors intentionally avoided "can do anything Superman can do plus telepathy" so they really focused on psychic powers.

Megan is supposed to have the natural durability and strength of a 7 foot tall HR Giger monster with the mass to match even when condensed into petite high school cheerleader form, the rest is cheating with telekinesis.

Just as Zoat had Zum benefit from the Martian equivalent of the Garrick formula, a YJ Martian would be upgraded by the Danner formula.

Ardy · Oct 31, 2022

It's been so weirdly peaceful here since I blocked Vaermina.

Coda · Oct 31, 2022

Mr Zoat said:
alpha and x-ray radiation

Alpha radiation is blocked by paper. The dead cells on the surface of your skin are sufficient alpha defense. I suspect you meant gamma?

Zig said:
The Martians? Do you want to give your enemy unstoppable super soldiers?

Martians wouldn't be connected to Earth's thaumosphere. They wouldn't be subject to the current way they're spreading Anti-Life -- as long as they don't try to touch the minds of any humans, it would require a direct Anti-Life attack to affect them.

Enochi · Oct 31, 2022

Ardy said:
It's been so weirdly peaceful here since I blocked Vaermina.

Shrug I dunno he makes some good points from time to time. I'm not a huge fan of Paul and am probably overly critical of the story at times but frankly I'm more here from grayven then anything else at this point.

Mr Zoat · Oct 31, 2022

Coda said:
Alpha radiation is blocked by paper. The dead cells on the surface of your skin are sufficient alpha defense. I suspect you meant gamma?

No, that's intentional. Alpha radiation can be dangerous, it's just not in most circumstances.

BR549 · Oct 31, 2022

Basically, alpha radiation is dangerous if it gets inside you - inhale it, swallow it, that sort of thing.

Ardy · Nov 1, 2022

BR549 said:
Basically, alpha radiation is dangerous if it gets inside you - inhale it, swallow it, that sort of thing.

Like Spider Man's.. stuff!

BR549 · Nov 1, 2022

Ardy said:
Like Spider Man's.. stuff!

That never happened. EVER.

Cuchulin · Nov 1, 2022

BR549 said:
That never happened. EVER.

Exactly, It never happened and we DO NOT talk about it.

Stsword · Nov 1, 2022

Actually it was established that Spider-Man was transformed by gamma radiation.

The spider that bit him survived. Hulked out in size.

And eats criminals, because with great power comes great responsibility, even when a girl gets hungry.

Mr Zoat · Nov 1, 2022

31st December 2012
22:31 GMT +1

Guy's hit. Doesn't look critical, but he can't regenerate in the way that I can. One hand on his abdomen, he flies around a building to get out of the Justifiers' line of sight while I throw out a volley of weighted chain constructs. Each one strikes a Justifier hard in the chest, and I hear bones snapping as they're thrown backwards. Because they can harm us but not survive us hitting them, because Mannseid doesn't value their lives outside of their immediate utility. Disarm them and they kill themselves. Cripple them outright and they'll probably do the same. Injure them-.

The Justifiers now dealing with a chest full of broken ribs shakily get back to their feet. Because they're not reacting to pain. They're still injured and they can't just ignore the physical impairment. They're struggling to breathe and that will reduce their athleticism, but ribs aren't essential in the short term.

BOOM!

I counter with a graviton deflator without really thinking about it, my railgun shooting the robot in the eyes a moment later as it tries to use the omega beams again.

Okay, its mouth isn't moving but I'm pretty sure that it's the source of the voice that keeps-.

Bullets plink off my armour, but these ones aren't augmented and pose no threat. Weighted chain constructs fly out again this time targetting right arms. More snaps, but this time they lose the ability to hold their guns properly. But they can still hold them, so…

Yes, they're shooting but their accuracy is abysmal. Some draw their handguns and shoot those with their left hand, but the lower rate of fire and lower accuracy mean that I'm not too concerned.

"Guy?!"

The robot drifts down a nearby street in pursuit of Guy. Let's try… Positron beam to the back of the head. Construct ready, firing. Impact… A flare of light, but none of it from the robot's armour. Some sort of force field. I'm not detecting one, but it could well be magic.

"You dead?!"

"Show you who's-"

A fat beam of green light slams into the robot's chest, prompting it to bring its arms up to its chest to shield itself.

"-dead!"

Guy rises above the surrounding buildings, ring glowing brilliantly as he continues to blast the robot. I'm not seeing any damage-.

If my draining abilities weakened the Justifiers' helmets, I could give it a go against this thing? Can't hurt more than failing to kill it.

I take a purple healing ray out of subspace and shoot Guy with it as he keeps pushing the robot back. Okay, x-ionised knives at the ready, fly at the left leg-

"Anti-Life justifies their actions." Inalienable Truth.

-and weave around the shots by tracking possible trajectories and evading them as the crippled Justifiers try to draw a bead on me. One handed pistol shots aren't that accurate anyway. Robot looks like it's focusing on Guy, trying to get its right arm up to take a shot but can't in the face of the waves of green energy. Close enough and stab and drain-.

It's irrelevant. The thoughts and designs of the one who exists as the totality of the universe binds and enthrals me, with my knowledge or without it. To raise a hand against his creation is to-.

I'm flying backwards through the air, green bonds wrapped around my-.

"Okay okay! I'm good-."

Guy glances down at me as I stabilise myself in the air.

"The hell was that abowt?!"

"I tried draining it."

The robot is facing us, but it's on the ground. It tries taking a step closer but its left leg doesn't respond and I can see the cuts I made before being overcome.

"It worked on the helmets, but that thing's channelling… Or.. broadcasting, Anti-Life. I got it right in the brain."

"And you're just okay now?"

"Um. I think so. Ring?"

"Thought processes align to behavioural baselines."

"So stabbing it's a no-go?"

"Stabbing has certain risks, but if it's the-."

"Die for Mannheim." Life Is Fuel.

The robot's wound glows unearthly red as the Justifiers fall to the ground, convulsing-

"Huh?"

-and shrivelling up and sinking in on themselves. A moment later all that's left is clothing, their helmet and... Dust.

How is-? No, the one I dehelmeted is fine… Not drained, anyway. But-.

"Move!"

I fly an evasive pattern as the robot raises both hands, the damage undone and its flight systems restored, red light-.

"No you fucking-"

Railgun, target the hand with… mage slayer, but…

I pour orange light into the thaumovoric systems of the mage slayer round, needing it to consume what it touches. Then as the robot fires its right hand at me-

"-don't!"

-as Guy slams some sort of… Box construct over its right. I jerk sideways as Guy actually manages to contain the blast this time, the shot aimed at me scything through the houses behind me even as my railgun fires at its face. It hits home a fraction of a second later, and-. And it worked! The robot's left eye blinks off and on and the beam from its left hand goes out. Alright, I've got more of those, I can-

BOOM!

Can't see where it is. Not around us, at least.

Mage slayer, charge it. Let's see if I can hit something more vital this-

"Die for Mannheim." Life Is Fuel.

-time. Okay, I can't see any more Justifiers-. The boom tube, it brought them in out of line of sight. Darn it.

Red veins spread around its head, then its eye lights up as I rise above the rooftops and-. There! Graviton deflator! X-ionised knives and slice! I don't know if I can save their lives but I should be able-.

I watch them collapse into dust piles.

I can't save their lives.

Okay. Stay higher. They can't bring in heavy anti-air, and they'll need a head shot to kill me while the robot's defence-bypass power is active. That's manageable.

I fly upwards and towards the robot, which now has black veins running through the red-

The eyes light up and I fire a crumbler round at each one, Guy looking visibly relieved as lights flicker and dull.

-glowing parts. Not sure what that's ab-.

BANG!

Aeroplanes roar past as missiles explode all around me!

Chojin Patriarch · Nov 1, 2022

Mr Zoat said:
31st December 2012
22:31 GMT +1

Guy's hit. Doesn't look critical, but he can't regenerate in the way that I can. One hand on his abdomen, he flies around a building to get out of the Justifiers' line of sight while I throw out a volley of weighted chain constructs. Each one strikes a Justifier hard in the chest, and I hear bones snapping at they're thrown backwards. Because they can harm us but not survive us hitting them, because Mannseid doesn't value their lives outside of their immediate utility. Disarm them and they kill themselves. Cripple them outright and they'll probably do the same. Injure them-.

'Mannseid', huh? As good a name as any for the dick. As for the Justifiers, short of removing limbs, I don't think there's any way to stop them from trying to fight, without them deciding to kill themselves. I wouldn't be surprised if they can will themselves to die, even if totally restrained.

The Justifiers now dealing with a chest full of broken ribs shakily get back to their feet. Because they're not reacting to pain. They're still injured and they can't just ignore the physical impairment. They're struggling to breathe and that will reduce their athleticism, but ribs aren't essential in the short term.

BOOM!

And as soon as you take down some, more pour in to replace them. They can throw the controlled population of anywhere they have an Alliance facility at you, I bet.

I counter with a graviton deflator without really thinking about it, my railgun shooting the robot in the eyes a moment later as it tries to use the omega beams again.

Okay, its mouth isn't moving but I'm pretty sure that it's the source of the voice that keeps-.

A mouth isn't exactly needed for a god-machine, after all. And for all you know, it has a full skull under the helmet, complete with concealed mouth.

Bullets plink off my armour, but these ones aren't augmented and pose no threat. Weighted chain constructs fly out again this time targetting right arms. More snaps, but this time they lose the ability to hold their guns properly. But they can still hold them, so…

Yes, they're shooting but their accuracy is abysmal. Some draw their handguns and shoot those with their left hand, but the lower rate of fire and lower accuracy mean that I'm not too concerned.

So, without Finalty Man buffing them, they're irrelevant. Yet he keeps summoning them, even as you take them down instantly. What's he planning?

"Guy?!"

The robot drifts down a nearby street in pursuit of Guy. Let's try… Positron beam to the back of the head. Construct ready, firing. Impact… A flare of light, but none of it from the robot's armour. Some sort of force field. I'm not detecting one, but it could well be magic.

Apokaliptian defences. It's almost certainly powered by whatever Godhead the Finality Man is drawing on... Or possibly Godheads.

"You dead?!"

"Show you who's-"

Heh, that's one way to get Guy moving: Make him angry.

A fat beam of green light slams into the robot's chest, prompting it to bring its arms up to its chest to shield itself.

"-dead!"

Safe bet that would have done some damage, the way it reacted. Pity he can't throw that much energy around for long...

Guy rises above the surrounding buildings, ring glowing brilliantly as he continues to blast the robot. I'm not seeing any damage-.

If my draining abilities weakened the Justifiers' helmets, I could give it a go against this thing? Can't hurt more than failing to kill it.

...Uh, that's not a good idea. They're lightly spiced with Anti-Life. That thing is marinated in it, and stuffed to the gills.

I take a purple healing ray out of subspace and shoot Guy with it as he keeps pushing the robot back. Okay, x-ionised knives at the ready, fly at the left leg-

"Anti-Life justifies their actions." Inalienable Truth.

Predictable! They're not so effective if you can see them coming...

-and weave around the shots by tracking possible trajectories and evading them as the crippled Justifiers try to draw a bead on me. One handed pistol shots aren't that accurate anyway. Robot look like it's focusing on Guy, trying to get its right arm up to take a shot but can't in the face of the waves of green energy. Close enough and stab and drain-.

It's irrelevant. The thoughts and designs of the one who exists as the totality of the universe binds and enthrals me, with my knowledge or without it. To raise a hand against his creation is to-.

Ouch. I think he just punched himself in the soul with Anti-Life...

I'm flying backwards through the air, green bonds wrapped around my-.

"Okay okay! I'm good-."

I hope so! Let's hope none of that soaked in to your soul, or the Orange Light...

Guy glances down at me as I stabilise myself in the air.

"The hell was that abowt?!"

A bad idea, and not one worth trying again, thank you.

"I tried draining it."

The robot is facing us, but it's on the ground. It tries taking a step closer but its left leg doesn't respond and I can see the cuts I made before being overcome.

Well, at least you did some damage to it. But that kind of move is not sustainable.

"It worked on the helmets, but that thing's channelling… Or.. broadcasting, Anti-Life. I got it right in the brain."

"And you're just okay now?"

More like a kick in the metaphysical nuts, really.

"Um. I think so. Ring?"

"Though processes align to behavioural baselines."

Well, thanks goodness for small mercies.

"So stabbing it's a no-go?"

"Stabbing has certain risks, but if it's the-."

i don't think Guy's gonna let you keep trading those sort of blows, OL...

"Die for Mannheim." Life Is Fuel.

The robot's wound glows unearthly red as the Justifiers fall to the ground, convulsing-

Well, shit. It can drain its minions to repair itself?

"Huh?"

-and shrivelling up and sinking in on themselves. A moment later all that's left is clothing, their helmet and... Dust.

Nasty. We can but hope that has a long cooldown.

How is-? No, the one I dehelmeted is fine… Not drained, anyway. But-.

"Move!"

Middle of combat, OL, no time to stop and analyse the utterly horrible special move...

I fly an evasive pattern as the robot raises both hands, the damage undone and its flight systems restored, red light-.

"No you fucking-"

And even hauling it out of here, away from the Justifiers won't help, because it'll just Boom Tube more in...

Railgun, target the hand with… mage slayer, but…

I pour orange light into the thaumavoric systems of the mage slayer round, needing it to consume what it touches. Then as the robot fires its right hand at me-

Two can play the 'super-buff combo move' game, big bad bot.

"-don't!"

-as Guy slams some sort of… Box construct over its right. I jerk sideways as Guy actually manages to contain the blast this time, the shot aimed at me scything through the houses behind me even as my railgun fires at its face. It hits home a fraction of a second later, and-. And it worked! The robot's left eye blinks off and on and the beam from its left hand goes out. Alright, I've got more of those, I can-

...Until it eats more people, anyway.

BOOM!

Can't see where it is. Not around us, at least.

Crap, he's summoned more fuel.

Mage slayer, charge it. Let's see if I can hit something more vital this-

"Die for Mannheim." Life Is Fuel.

This is not the kind of battle of attrition you want to play...

-time. Okay, I can't see any more Justifiers-. The boom tube, it brought them in out of line of sight. Darn it.

Red veins spread around its head, then its eye lights up as I rise above the rooftops and-. There! Graviton deflator! X-ionised knives and slice! I don't know if I can save their lives but I should be able-.

And of course the range limit is way higher than the visible.

I watch them collapse into dust piles.

I can't save their lives.

But you can try to avenge them.

Okay. Stay higher. They can't bring in heavy anti-air, and they'll need a head shot to kill me while the robot's defence-bypass power is active. That's manageable.

I fly upwards and towards the robot, which now has black veins running through the red-

Uh-oh, charging a super-move, or just a more severe dose of self-repair needed?

The eyes light up and I fire a crumbler round at each one, Guy looking visibly relieved as lights flicker and dull.

-glowing parts. Not sure what that's ab-.

Okay, if OL can split his attention between doing that and blocking Boom Tubes, maybe they can grind it down...

BANG!

Airplanes roar past as missiles explode all around me!

Uh-oh. More Justifiers, or the local military leaping into the fight?

Bloody hell, that's a nasty move, draining its' mooks to repair itself using their life-force. The sort of thing that would make most heroic-types reluctant to attack it, if they learn people are at risk. Probably a good thing OL is trying to be less aggressively pragmatic, or he might have decided to just carry on despite that. As it is, they're going to have to be very smart about the damage they deal...

NightmareWarden · Nov 1, 2022

Chojin Patriarch said:
Bloody hell, that's a nasty move, draining its' mooks to repair itself using their life-force. The sort of thing that would make most heroic-types reluctant to attack it, if they learn people are at risk. Probably a good thing OL is trying to be less aggressively pragmatic, or he might have decided to just carry on despite that. As it is, they're going to have to be very smart about the damage they deal...

Indeed. I think it also means any universe's Darkseid with access to this fragment of anti-life is nearly impossible to kill on Apokalyps since he'd have so many sacrifices.

Too bad the phantom zone gun works slowly, it'd be helpful here. I wonder what would happen if Finality Man tried to sacrifice a Justified minion who is possessed by OL's Hellwraith. There's probably no answer, and the Justified are immune to possession due to anti-life or their helmets.

So Finality Man was once Infinity Man, a robot summoned by the Forever folks. I wonder if the fragments of the robot were transferred to new hosts. In that case, a telepath might be one option when it comes to stopping this robot- assuming their minds are not in a pocket dimension or something. Using telepathy around all of this anti-life would be harrowing though.

Duke Long · Nov 1, 2022

Mr Zoat said:
"Though processes align to behavioural baselines."

'Thought'

Mr Zoat said:
Airplanes roar past as missiles explode all around me!

I'm surprised that Paragon doesn't say 'aeroplanes'.

Mr Zoat · Nov 1, 2022

Duke Long said:
'Thought'
I'm surprised that Paragon doesn't say 'aeroplanes'.

Mr Zoat said:
Robot look like it's focusing on Guy

Thank you, corrected.

Chaoswind · Nov 1, 2022

I think Darkseid is using Manheim as a proxy on purpose.

Remember the metaphysical rules Grayven explained about new gods, if they were calling for Darkseid and he hid from his enemies he would get power nerfed by the universe, but because everyone is calling for Manseid he can use him as a proxy lightning rod without weakening himself by not confronting the enemies of tyranny.

A tyranny that hides is a weak tyranny that is why Darkseid is not in full control of this clandestine operation.

Silveraith · Nov 1, 2022

Mr Zoat said:
The eyes light up and I fire a crumbler round at each one,

Crumbled or Mage Slayer? The latter seems more appropriate given prior context.

Mr Zoat · Nov 1, 2022

Silveraith said:
Crumbled or Mage Slayer? The latter seems more appropriate given prior context.

I'm pretty sure it's meant to be crumbler. The SI found that it disrupted the eye beams during the charging part of the process.

Darko · Nov 1, 2022

Mr Zoat said:
snapping at they're thrown backwards. Because they can harm us but not survive us hitting them

"as they're thrown"

Mr Zoat said:
Close enough and stab and drain-.

It's irrelevant. The thoughts and designs of the one who exists as the totality of the universe binds and enthrals me, with my knowledge or without it. To raise a hand against his creation is to-.

Shut, it looks like he's not immune.

Mr Zoat · Nov 1, 2022

Darko said:
"as they're thrown"

Thank you, corrected.

Windona · Nov 1, 2022

Yeah, this does not look good for the general populace. Honestly it's probably a good thing resistance is so isolated so the majority of the Justified don't kill themselves in their mission.

Perchance · Nov 1, 2022

And lo, OL's repeated mentioning of being immune to the Antilife for some reason becomes relevant! I assumed he wouldn't be immune to a focused assault of it like this, so much as he's just so full of orange that things are too "loud" inside and he's too in tune with that "loudness" via enlightenment to hear the background noise of the infected thaumosphere. Atleast until he gets up close and personal with a speaker and jacks his headphones in.

Coda · Nov 1, 2022

Mr Zoat said:
thaumavoric

thaumovoric, I think

PDV · Nov 1, 2022

NightmareWarden said:
Indeed. I think it also means any universe's Darkseid with access to this fragment of anti-life is nearly impossible to kill on Apokalyps since he'd have so many sacrifices.

<snip>

So Finality Man was once Infinity Man, a robot summoned by the Forever folks.

Not necessarily. Finality Man may share the property of Infinity Man that it's powered/summoned by a group of mooks, only twisted to Apokolips and able to be a parasite rather than a ?symbiosis?. In which case Darkseid may not have the same power.

Mr Zoat · Nov 1, 2022

Coda said:
thaumovoric, I think

Thank you, corrected.

With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

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