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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

What would happen if Grayven empowered Balewa (the white life entity is at least as powerful as a Central Power Battery) in the same way? He's already broken past mortal limits to become ageless, as well as a powerful mage. Would Awakening be a minor power up, or would it unbind him from his limits and boost him much more rapidly to Guardian (Nabu+?) level power?
Not much would happen, as he's effectively done that for himself, at least as much as he would want to.
Should it not be That, I know. ?
Dr. Balewa has a strong accent. He learned English only relatively recently. He's actually better at speaking Roman Latin than English.
Looking at this… I guess ATLA exists, but it didn't get a sequel?

Sorry, just going over old stuff, and the possible contradiction/the link jumped out at me.
The 'they'd sue us' thing wasn't a serious observation.
 
What would happen if Grayven empowered Balewa (the white life entity is at least as powerful as a Central Power Battery) in the same way? He's already broken past mortal limits to become ageless, as well as a powerful mage. Would Awakening be a minor power up, or would it unbind him from his limits and boost him much more rapidly to Guardian (Nabu+?) level power?

Mist might not be a valid target, Alan wasn't because his soul had marinated in enough Glow that he was becoming a will elemental just like the Guardians.

Zoat made Mist immortal because he was imbued with the energy of the White Light Entity, so Mist's soul has been marinating in the energy of the White Light Entity for 11 thousand years. I wouldn't be surprised if Mist was on his way to becoming a Life Elemental eventually.

Although I admit I just never found it obvious why the transformation into an elemental and New God apotheosis are mutually exclusive under Zoat's cosmology.
 
Zoat made Mist immortal because he was imbued with the energy of the White Light Entity, so Mist's soul has been marinating in the energy of the White Light Entity for 11 thousand years. I wouldn't be surprised if Mist was on his way to becoming a Life Elemental eventually.

I think Zoat once mentioned that when Balewa first saw the White Entity he was so inspired that he subconsciously altered his soul in a way that mimicked it and that granted him his immortality.

Although I admit I just never found it obvious why the transformation into an elemental and New God apotheosis are mutually exclusive under Zoat's cosmology.

New Gods are basically connected to the Source and draw power from it.

Elementals are just connected to their particular elemental plane of existence.

New Gods are also physical beings, while Elementals are usually spirits.
 
@Mr Zoat How did Alan's date with Queen Artemis go? Is he now king of her world x3?
It hasn't happened yet. The SI will pop back to set things up either at the end of this episode or the beginning of the next one.

Also, Alan isn't going to rush anything. Canonically, Queen Artemis... Probably would.
 
New Gods are basically connected to the Source and draw power from it.

Elementals are just connected to their particular elemental plane of existence.

New Gods are also physical beings, while Elementals are usually spirits.

First of all, New Gods in Zoat's cosmology are empowered by their own souls, which grow bigger, and hence stronger, as they absorb energy.

Which is why Gravy has mana condensers to feed more mana into New God souls to make them grow faster.

Gravy's soul was constructed out of the orange energy from his own ring, as an example.

Secondly, Alan died without a lantern because that was his connection to the willpower dimension.

Since his lack of connection is why he died, I think it's safe to say that was not the issue preventing his New God apotheosis.
 
The Renegade's soul was made by Father Box, not his ring. And it's a standard New God soul, not an orange light soul.
Yes and no.

The original Renegades soul was made by Father Box, but he died.

The current Renegade's soul was made the natural way and changed so he thinks he's the original by Artemis's magic arrows.
 
The Renegade's soul was made by Father Box, not his ring. And it's a standard New God soul, not an orange light soul.

I didn't type that his soul was made by his ring, I typed that his soul was constructed from energy from his own ring.

Because that's what Fatherbox used to make his soul in this story.

Why would Fatherbox waste effort to collect energy when there was more than enough energy right there sitting on Gravy's finger?
 
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Mist might not be a valid target, Alan wasn't because his soul had marinated in enough Glow that he was becoming a will elemental just like the Guardians.

Zoat made Mist immortal because he was imbued with the energy of the White Light Entity, so Mist's soul has been marinating in the energy of the White Light Entity for 11 thousand years. I wouldn't be surprised if Mist was on his way to becoming a Life Elemental eventually.

Although I admit I just never found it obvious why the transformation into an elemental and New God apotheosis are mutually exclusive under Zoat's cosmology.

I mean, I didn't think he'd necessarily benefit much (since the Life Entity took off his limiter already, and he's had so long to get stronger), but the reason I came up with this question is because I reread Grayven vs Stormwatch (their formation), and the relevant episode has Grayven empower John Stewart with Awakening to boost his green light manipulation to (eventually) guardian levels… which works because he channeled the entire Green Central Battery. After directing the flow of a whole Light Fountain, he was powerful enough to manipulate the Green Light (very weakly) even without a ring.

In this case, Word Of Zoat confirms that Nono Balewa, Life-Maltusian Equivalent… isn't happening, and couldn't happen even if Paul somehow had a crossover with a very curious Grayven. But it's clear that Light Internalization and New God Awakening are very compatible, even outside of Paul's latest Orange lantern (the new god from… the place where Sparta killed all the 'Titans.') and Orion's Red Light thing (as both of those examples are New Gods working well with the Emotional Spectrum, rather than an example of Apotheosis working with Light Elementalism. Basically, Paul could probably Ascend - and heck, Orion physically changed when he used the Red Light; Godhood can have some fun interactions with appropriately resonating influences).
 
Meanwhile on Earth 534834 New
30th September 1995
21:23 GMT -5


"…that we put a sign on the roof for fliers and climbers, and make sure that the drop-off point has one as well." I modify the construct image of the upper levels of the mansion with what I have in mind. "That way a potential student won't risk being disintegrated."

Scott nods. "That looks like a good idea. I honestly hadn't even considered that a visitor might not just use the front door."

"Well, to quote Blade, 'Some Mother Hubbards are always trying to ice-skate up hill'. Though his.. usual reception probably doesn't help."

"I always assumed Spider-Man was a mu-." He stops himself, and I smile, and while I can't see his eyes his head tilts in a way which makes me think he's seeing me smile, and then he smiles a little too. "An x-gene mutant."

"You just wait until I prove it's not a mutation. Everyone on the planet's going to look really stupid."

"So what you're saying is, he's a mutant and we're not."

I nod. "Yes, if he described himself as a mutant, I wouldn't argue it."

He nods as he goes back to reviewing the security recordings. "How did that happen? Did he get bitten by a radioactive spider?"

"We're not sure how radioactive it was."

His head jerks back to me. "I-. I was joking. Radiation can't just give people powers."

"Not usually. But the Empire State University was working on something called a 'neogenic recombinator', which was.. designed to transfer genes from one creature to another. The spider got hit during a demonstration, then bit him. And, er… A giant pulse of gamma radiation is what turned Doctor Banner into the Hulk, though… He probably had an underlying abnormality that was supercharged by the radiation, rather than acquiring it from the radiation whole cloth."

"Is it still in use?"

"The recombinator?" I shrug. "Well, secret identity; he can't just walk up to the people who made it and say 'you should really be more careful with this'. On my, um… My original Earth, experimentation with human chimeras was illegal, but that was just foetal experiments. We didn't have any way to do something like that to adults."

"Chimeras?"

"Creatures with physical parts from different species. The mythological chimera had a ram's head next to its main lion head, and a snake's head and body in place of a tail."

"Did that get banned because someone actually did it?"

"I don't know. It wouldn't shock me, but… My original Earth doesn't have superpowers. It has glow-in-the-dark mice with human ears stuck on their backs. And the ear didn't even grow there: they had to stick it on later. Human chimeras wouldn't have superpowers either; they'd just have huge health problems if the foetuses were viable at all."

"Spider-Man got superpowers."

"I suspect that's something to do with the differences between this reality and my home reality, rather than it actually making objective rational sense."

"I suppose you got lucky that our reality is so similar to yours. Oh, Alex wanted me to ask: what did you tell Multiple Man?"

"Why didn't he just ask Mister Madrox?"

"Because he didn't want to talk about it."

"I know that I'm not a doctor, but I still think it would be a fairly huge violation of his privacy if I just told people about it."

Scott nods, obviously trying to work out how to balance the conflicting desires of his brother and his friend. "Is it dangerous?"

"Not to anyone else. It's an aspect of his power that he hadn't considered before. But it wouldn't be a risk to any of his-." Oh. Oh dear. "He's not a blood donor, is he?"

"How would I know?"

He might be. He might be.

"So… With a lot of powers, what 'counts' can seem a bit arbitrary, right?"

"Okay, I guess that's true. I don't know why it's ruby quartz specifically that blocks my power."

"And Anne-Marie can't drain trees, for example. Mister Madrox can create and absorb copies of himself. But what counts as a copy? Is a severed arm a copy? Is a cancerous growth something that could get absorbed?"

Scott nods. "Or a pint of blood in someone else's body. Alex needs to know that, and so does the base's doctor."

"I mean, that wasn't what the actual issue was, and I like to think that no one's stupid enough to use blood from people with powers for non-autologous transplants unless they've tested it really thoroughly."

"My blood's fairly normal."

"I'd still be worried that there were a lot of small differences that blood banks wouldn't think to test for between abnormal blood and baseline blood. Not all of the changes the x-gene makes are outwardly obvious. Um. But the actual problem Mister Madrox has is whether or not his power would register any of his children as being part of him."

Scott tenses.

"Oh.. God, that's horrible."

"Yes." I nod. "It might not be a problem and I can go back and test it with tissue samples tomorrow, but I thought I should warn him about the possibility as soon as possible. And while we're on the subject… About… Your decision not to have children."

He exhales and turns away from the screen. "I'm not saying that you're irresponsible to be doing it. I'm sure you can keep your children safe from just about anybody. But I'm not sure I could. And even if the mansion was completely safe… Which it isn't." I nod. "I'm not sure what kinda quality of life they'd have."

"Either the Friends of Humanity dies down to the level of a normal hate group… Or people aren't capable of learning to be better and I go and build a colony on another planet, I guess."

"Can you actually do that?"

"Not quickly. I'd have to either find a compatible planet, or find someone who can walk me through the process of terraforming somewhere. And then there's soil microbes and things like that. It's possible, and I'd consider it as a major… Failure if things got that far." Hm. "Do we want to actually go after them?"

"How do you mean? We can't just attack the Friends of Humanity."

"America has strong free speech laws, but despite the constitution a lot of places have laws against weapon ownership, and obviously assault is illegal. So we investigate them. If we can come up with watertight cases, we can try and make sure that we get district attorneys and judges who are prepared to do their jobs without fear or favour like they're supposed to. If we lose cases, then we appeal it upwards, and force superior courts to either rule our way or openly and blatantly violate the law themselves."

He nods. "And what then?"

I give him a shallow smile. "It's probably best that I don't tell you."

"Alright." He nods slowly. "That sounds like a good idea. Can you find a few places where they're breaking the law and let me know? I'll talk it over with the Professor when he gets back."

I nod. "Can do. Unfortunately, I don't think it'll be a short list."
 
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How about trying to get the Friends of Humanity to accidentally attack supervillains?

Anti-Super groups are usually only likely to attack superheroes

Mostly because the latter are very likely to hold back


Not even X-Men Supervillains, just guys whom strictly might nonlonger be homo Sapien Sapien anymore and think that with their powers they really do almost anything they want
 
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He nods. "And what then?"

I give him a shallow smile. "It's probably best that I don't tell you."

"Alright." He nods slowly. "That sounds like a good idea. Can you find a few places where they're breaking the law and let me know? I'll talk it over with the Professor when he gets back."

I nod. "Can do. Unfortunately, I don't think it'll be a short list."
This sort of makes me wonder how well this version of Paul would do in a version of X-Force. He's already more willing to kill than most of his teammates, and he can hack most databases that don't have exotic protection.
 
How about trying to get the Friends of Humanity to accidentally attack supervillains?

Anti-Super groups are usually only likely to attack superheroes

Mostly because the latter are very likely to hold back


Not even X-Men Supervillains, just guys whom strictly might nonlonger be homo Sapien Sapien anymore and think that with their powers they really do almost anything they want

Tell them Doctor Doom is a mutant, type thing?
The problem with people like that is that they generally don't go after people who are legitimately dangerous. And if they did and all got slaughtered, it'd be great PR for their side.
 
"America has strong free speech laws, but despite the constitution a lot of places have laws against weapon ownership, and obviously assault is illegal. So we investigate them. If we can come up with watertight cases, we can try and make sure that we get distinct attorneys and judges who are prepared to do their jobs without fear or favour like they're supposed to. If we lose cases, then we appeal it upwards, and force superior courts to either rule our way or openly and blatantly violate the law themselves."

He nods. "And what then?"

I give him a shallow smile. "It's probably best that I don't tell you."

"Alright." He nods slowly. "That sounds like a good idea. Can you find a few places where they're breaking the law and let me know? I'll talk it over with the Professor when he gets back."

I nod. "Can do. Unfortunately, I don't think it'll be a short list."
Honestly this is probably the worst way to go about it. A better way would be to either establish friends of humanity as a terrorist group or go after them for "inciting violence" which is 100% illegal and not free speech like Reddit is currently learning.
 
Tell them Doctor Doom is a mutant, type thing?
The problem with people like that is that they generally don't go after people who are legitimately dangerous. And if they did and all got slaughtered, it'd be great PR for their side.

It's mostly to see whether or not they have the real resolve or not

The Imperium of Man hates mutants, sorcery, heretics and aliens

They're willing to actually fight the forces of Chaos and the aliens invading and killing their people off

Honestly this is probably the worst way to go about it. A better way would be to either establish friends of humanity as a terrorist group or go after them for "inciting violence" which is 100% illegal and not free speech like Reddit is currently learning.

I remember hearing of some bizarre social media related threats

Bizarre because they're mainly also going on about guys they know are more likely to be armed than them

It's hilarious, because again, they were talking about shooting guys more likely to be armed than them

It's like punching someone bigger, taller, more muscular and more skilled and being surprised that they suddenly challenge you to a duel
 
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"I suppose you got lucky that our reality is so similar to yours. Oh, Alex wanted me to ask: what did you tell Multiple Man?"

"Why didn't he just ask Mister Madrox?"

"Because he didn't want to talk about it."

"I know that I'm not a doctor, but I still think it would be a fairly huge violation of his privacy if I just told people about it."
"I shouldn't blurt out peoples personal medical information-"

"I'd still be worried that there were a lot of small differences that blood banks wouldn't think to test for between abnormal blood and baseline blood. Not all of the changes the x-gene makes are outwardly obvious. Um. But the actual problem Mister Madrox has is whether or not his power would register any of his children as being part of him."
"-ah, never mind. It's fun to spread the goss."


"How do you mean? We can't just attack the Friends of Humanity."

"America has strong free speech laws, but despite the constitution a lot of places have laws against weapon ownership, and obviously assault is illegal. So we investigate them. If we can come up with watertight cases, we can try and make sure that we get distinct attorneys and judges who are prepared to do their jobs without fear or favour like they're supposed to. If we lose cases, then we appeal it upwards, and force superior courts to either rule our way or openly and blatantly violate the law themselves."

He nods. "And what then?"

I give him a shallow smile. "It's probably best that I don't tell you."
"And then the easily provoked violent fascists, who attack mutants regularly, will likely attack us. At which point I can self-defence them with impunity."
 
30th September 1995
21:23 GMT -5


"…that we put a sign on the roof for fliers and climbers, and make sure that the drop-off point has one as well." I modify the construct image of the upper levels of the mansion with what I have in mind. "That way a potential student won't risk being disintegrated."

Scott nods. "That looks like a good idea. I honestly hadn't even considered that a visitor might not just use the front door."
And to be fair, outside of 'mutant affairs', the X-men of this universe haven't had much contact with the more interesting aspects of superhero culture on this kind of world. Vigilante laws, the way some people approach 'polite' visits, that sort of thing... Perhaps that'll change as Paul nudges them into closer relations with other Heroes.

"Well, to quote Blade, 'Some Mother Hubbards are always trying to ice-skate up hill'. Though his.. usual reception probably doesn't help."

"I always assumed Spider-Man was a mu-." He stop himself, and I smile, and while I can't see his eyes his head tilts in a way which makes me think he's seeing me smile, and then he smiles a little too. "An x-gene mutant."
Maybe they should lay off the M-word, even? Use something more generic for empowered humans, whatever their origins. Marvels, perhaps. 😏

"You just wait until I prove it's not a mutation. Everyone on the planet's going to look really stupid."

"So what you're saying is, he's a mutant and we're not."
Again, it goes back to definitions of 'mutant' and 'enhanced'. Ancient alien mucking about in the human genome has left a lot of little quirks in it.

I nod. "Yes, if he described himself as a mutant, I wouldn't argue it."

He nods as he goes back to reviewing the security recordings. "How did that happen? Did he get bitten by a radioactive spider?"
I can't imagine people would like him more if he used the M-word.

"We're not sure how radioactive it was."

His head jerks back to me. "I-. I was joking. Radiation can't just give people powers."
Only in very rare cases. Most people do just get cancer, or die outright in extreme doses.

"Not usually. But the Empire State University was working on something called a 'neogenic recombinator', which was.. designed to transfer genes from one creature to another. The spider got hit during a demonstration, then bit him. And, er… A giant pulse of gamma radiation is what turned Doctor Banner into the Hulk, though… He probably had an underlying abnormality that was supercharged by the radiation, rather than acquiring it from the radiation whole cloth."
Especially in the cartoon's origin, which was still the 'developed a special bomb for the government, got zapped when a teenager snuck onto the testing ground and he went personally to save him'. 🤔 I assume with the bomb about to go off, the security personnel were in their own bunkers...

"Is it still in use?"

"The recombinator?" I shrug. "Well, secret identity; he can't just walk up to the people who made it and say 'you should really be more careful with this'. On my, um… My original Earth, experimentation with human chimeras was illegal, but that was just foetal experiments. We didn't have any way to do something like that to adults."
Sadly, the study of managing it in adult humans is somewhat hampered by fears about 'evil Genetic Engineering'... :rolleyes:

"Chimeras?"

"Creatures with physical parts from different species. The mythological chimera had a ram's head next to its main lion head, and a snake's head and body in place of a tail."
The exact positioning of which varying greatly in some depictions.

"Did that get banned because someone actually did it?"

"I don't know. It wouldn't shock me, but… My original Earth doesn't have superpowers. It has glow-in-the-dark mice with human ears stuck on their backs. And the ear didn't even grow there: they had to stick it on later. Human chimeras wouldn't have superpowers either; they'd just have huge health problems if the foetuses were viable at all."
Honestly, the genetic meddling in Marvel humans probably saved a lot of people from that sort of unpleasant fate...

"Spider-Man got superpowers."

"I suspect that's something to do with the differences between this reality and my home reality, rather than it actually making objective rational sense."
Seriously, given how many different groups fiddled with early humans... It's a wonder Paul fits in at all.

"I suppose you got lucky that our reality is so similar to yours. Oh, Alex wanted me to ask: what did you tell Multiple Man?"

"Why didn't he just ask Mister Madrox?"
Given how big a deal Paul made of it, I suspect he was a little nervous about it.

"Because he didn't want to talk about it."

"I know that I'm not a doctor, but I still think it would be a fairly huge violation of his privacy if I just told people about it."
I suspect if Hank were there in the room, he'd be nodding along.

Scott nods, obviously trying to work out how to balance the conflicting desires of his brother and his friend. "Is it dangerous?"

"Not to anyone else. It's an aspect of his power that he hadn't considered before. But it wouldn't be a risk to any of his-." Oh. Oh dear. "He's not a blood donor, is he?"
...That's a worry, but I suspect there's a measure of alignment with the person's 'life energies' that might filter that sort of thing out.

"How would I know?"

He might be. He might be.
Though if it were safe, and the donated blood stayed present independently of his dupes, it could be useful, depending on his blood type.

"So… With a lot of powers, what 'counts' can seem a bit arbitrary, right?"

"Okay, I guess that true. I don't know why it's ruby quartz specifically that blocks my power."
Yeah, that's one of those weird pseudo-science things the early Marvel era tended to rely on... Cyke's eyebeams aren't purely light, after all, so why would a piece of crystal impair the imparted force? Especially something that would probably be artificial in nature, as Quartz doesn't really come in Ruby. 🤔 And this is why you don't think too hard about superhero stuff...

"And Anne-Marie can't drain trees, for example. Mister Madrox can create and absorb copies of himself. But what counts as a copy? Is a severed arm a copy? Is a cancerous growth something that could get absorbed?"

Scott nods. "Or a pint of blood in someone else's body. Alex needs to know that, and so does the base's doctor."
He's getting closer to the real problem, good. Scott always was a smart cookie.

"I mean, that wasn't what the actual issue was, and I like to think that no one's stupid enough to use blood from people with powers for non-autologous transplants unless they've tested it really thoroughly."

"My blood's fairly normal."
...Or they really want to go full mad-science experiment and see if blood transfusions from empowered people gives the non-empowered their abilities. I wouldn't put it past some nutter to do that.

"I'd still be worried that there were a lot of small differences that blood banks wouldn't think to test for between abnormal blood and baseline blood. Not all of the changes the x-gene makes are outwardly obvious. Um. But the actual problem Mister Madrox has is whether or not his power would register any of his children as being part of him."
I wouldn't be surprised to find there are government research labs doing exactly that sort of research. Even if it's as part of some 'find a way to identify mutants' program...

Scott tenses.

"Oh.. God, that's horrible."
And now you understand why Paul was in such a rush earlier.

"Yes." I nod. "It might not be a problem and I can go back and test it with tissue samples tomorrow, but I thought I should warn him about the possibility as soon as possible. And while we're on the subject… About… Your decision not to have children."
Ironically, a Power Ring makes that kind of research so much easier, especially the Orange one's 'just do it!' functionality. Make a bunch of random mixtures of Madrox and other people's DNA, see if there's any consistency in his absorption, and whether dupes can also trigger it or not.

He exhales and turns away from the screen. "I'm not saying that you're irresponsible to be doing it. I'm sure you can keep your children safe from just about anybody. But I'm not sure I could. And even if the mansion was completely safe… Which it isn't." I nod. "I'm not sure what kinda quality of life they'd have."
You do seem to be forgetting about Jean, too. She'd also be there to protect the kids. And while she isn't full phoenix here (No Phoenix Saga due to the M'kraan thing, eh?) She's still nothing to sneeze at power-wise, being a high-order telekinetic and telepath.

"Either the Friends of Humanity dies down to the level of a normal hate group… Or people aren't capable of learning to be better and I go and build a colony on another planet, I guess."

"Can you actually do that?"
Might be safer than the comics' attempts, like Utopia off San Francisco, Magneto's Asteroid M projects or the later Krakoa thing...

"Not quickly. I'd have to either find a compatible planet, or find someone who can walk me through the process of terraforming somewhere. And then there's soil microbes and things like that. It's possible, and I'd consider it as a major… Failure if things got that far." Hm. "Do we want to actually go after them?"
Yeah, remaking a planet seems a bit extreme, especially since the worldwide population of x-gene-positive people is fairly small at this stage (in the thousands, at most?)

"How do you mean? We can't just attack the Friends of Humanity."

"America has strong free speech laws, but despite the constitution a lot of places have laws against weapon ownership, and obviously assault is illegal. So we investigate them. If we can come up with watertight cases, we can try and make sure that we get distinct attorneys and judges who are prepared to do their jobs without fear or favour like they're supposed to. If we lose cases, then we appeal it upwards, and force superior courts to either rule our way or openly and blatantly violate the law themselves."
Heh. Sidestepping the whole hero/villain conflict by taking the legal action route. It could work, some famous criminals have been caught out on technicalities before.

He nods. "And what then?"

I give him a shallow smile. "It's probably best that I don't tell you."
Plausible deniability and all that. If he's forming a team, best to look for people who aren't associated with the X-Men.

"Alright." He nods slowly. "That sounds like a good idea. Can you find a few places where they're breaking the law and let me know? I'll talk it over with the Professor when he gets back."

I nod. "Can do. Unfortunately, I don't think it'll be a short list."
At least he has an edge in information gathering abilities.

It's amusing, sometimes, how a Paul with a Ring hanging around can change the course of things in a canon sometimes. I can't remember if he discovered Graydon Creed's ancestry yet, but I expect that knowledge might give the Friends a moment of 'Are we the bad guys?' Or it would just make them worse, since Graydon would simply point at his parents and go "See how bad the Muties are?!"😒
 
"America has strong free speech laws, but despite the constitution a lot of places have laws against weapon ownership, and obviously assault is illegal. So we investigate them. If we can come up with watertight cases, we can try and make sure that we get distinct attorneys and judges who are prepared to do their jobs without fear or favour like they're supposed to. If we lose cases, then we appeal it upwards, and force superior courts to either rule our way or openly and blatantly violate the law themselves."
I'm reminded of the quote, "Show me the man and I'll show you the crime."

And also of the Patrician from Ankh-Morpork, who had his chief of police investigate a man for beating his ass when it collapsed from mistreatment; the chief objected as, while the beating was disgusting, it wasn't actually illegal. The Patrician's reply was along the lines "A man who will treat his animal like that won't stop at his animals."

I dunno, it's a complicated subject with a lot of room for abuse on both sides.
 
"And then the easily provoked violent fascists, who attack mutants regularly, will likely attack us. At which point I can self-defence them with impunity."
I reaslise that the term has lost a lot of its original meaning, but as far as I remember the Friends of Humanity are never established as being fascists. In particular, the way that their charasmatic figurehead leader is removed is quite contrary to the way normal facist groups work.
Sadly, the study of managing it in adult humans is somewhat hampered by fears about 'evil Genetic Engineering'...
My understanding is that it's more due to the fact that our current technology doesn't let us precisely choose which genes get removed, so trying to remove faulty genes also results in healthy genes getting removed. You don't get cured so much as a reroll on your congenital disorder.
No Phoenix Saga due to the M'kraan thing, eh?
No, she's still technically possessed, but the phoenix is effectively in a coma due to losing its link to the crystal.
I'm reminded of the quote, "Show me the man and I'll show you the crime."

And also of the Patrician from Ankh-Morpork, who had his chief of police investigate a man for beating his ass when it collapsed from mistreatment; the chief objected as, while the beating was disgusting, it wasn't actually illegal. The Patrician's reply was along the lines "A man who will treat his animal like that won't stop at his animals."

I dunno, it's a complicated subject with a lot of room for abuse on both sides.
I think it was his dog. And as far as I remember the next line was 'and he was hanged the next week, and not for the dog'.
 
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"stops"

always assumed Spider-Man was a mu-." He stop himself, and I smile, and while I can't see his eyes his head tilts in a way which makes me think he's seeing me smile, and then he smiles a little too. "An x-gene mutant."

"You just wait until I prove it's not a mutation. Everyone on the planet's going to look really stupid."

"So what you're saying is, he's a mutant and we're not."

I nod. "Yes, if he described himself as a mutant, I wouldn't argue it.
I think people like Peter are called mutates.

His head jerks back to me. "I-. I was joking. Radiation can't just give people powers

You don't get a say in how genetics work here.

Okay, I guess that true. I

"that's"

Maybe they should lay off the M-word, even? Use something more generic for empowered humans, whatever their origins. Marvels, perhaps. 😏

I once saw a fic call them Newtypes.

Marvels may have people accusing them of arrogance.
 
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