moralrelativity
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Butterflies? Metaphorical or literal? With this story, that's a Perfectly valid question.
Making him a half assed Sabbac wasn't the best move either.I wish they'd used this version of Sivana in that Captain Marvel movie. Mark Strong just didn't feel anything like Sivana.
They might have wanted to use Sabbac, but he isn't a sympathetic villain - all the villains people like most in superhero movies tend to have sympathetic motives. Also, how do you explain the name if he's powered by the sins?
Probably principal (~= main, foremost) rather than principle (~= fundamental idea).There's a degree of overlap, but that was my principle intent.
Should be "Mind Destroyer" singular, unless he has several swirling around in there in which case it should be "Mind Destroyers are". Also "it" rather than "is" further along the sentence.
Thank you, corrected.Probably principal (~= main, foremost) rather than principle (~= fundamental idea).
That was basically the post-Flashpoint Sivana. AKA NOT!Sivana.I wish they'd used this version of Sivana in that Captain Marvel movie. Mark Strong just didn't feel anything like Sivana.
They're a type of winged insect. What caterpillars grow into.
Sabbac II did use the sins for a boost once. Also, the fact that they were the sins rather than any other group of monsters played no role in the film.They might have wanted to use Sabbac, but he isn't a sympathetic villain - all the villains people like most in superhero movies tend to have sympathetic motives. Also, how do you explain the name if he's powered by the sins?
Oh. Well then.That was basically the post-Flashpoint Sivana. AKA NOT!Sivana..
Follow the butterflies follow the butterflies
leaving them in place allows them to push someone to breaking.
I wish they'd used this version of Sivana in that Captain Marvel movie. Mark Strong just didn't feel anything like Sivana.
Also, the fact that they were the sins rather than any other group of monsters played no role in the film.
Alright; did Gluttony do anything glutinous, interract specifically with gluttons or inspire gluttony in others?Oh, I have to disagree with you there. The fact that they were lower case "sins" in the sense of presenting some specifics forms of evil didn't play much role it's true.
The fact that they were the upper-case Sins, a very specific group of monsters that the Wizard's order had been imprisoning for X thousand years and who had been attempting to corrupt men and plotting to escape for all that time played a very big role. It genuinely felt very personal with them as the hereditary enemies of Shazam and his legacy.
Alright; did Gluttony do anything glutinous, interract specifically with gluttons or inspire gluttony in others?
I wish they'd used this version of Sivana in that Captain Marvel movie. Mark Strong just didn't feel anything like Sivana.
Perhaps not, but it would have more of a Captain Marvel film.Why no he didn't; do you think the movie would have been improved if he had?
No, they're in name only. Just like Sivana. They did not have the appearance or personality of the comic versions. That's what makes them random monsters. Replace them with anything and what changes? Nothing. Heck, replacing them with Oggar would have been an improvement. Replace them with the Monster Society of Evil. Same result. They could fight Batson and Co. and lose just as well, and it would make more sense because it wouldn't involve the Enemies of Mankind losing to literal children.What Gluttony and the other Sins did was make a concerted effort to track down and destroy the inheritor of the Wizard's power because the wizards were their ancient enemies. It was their own plotting and proactive plans by reaching out to Sivana that resulted in their freedom. That's what made them not just "random monsters"; the fact that they were deeply tied into the plot and were taking actions to try to achieve specific goals.
I think you might have gotten your orange quote marks mixed up here."Oh, there's very little chance of me doing that. Have you ever heard of a man called 'The Spider'?"
"I have. He was a racketeer, thief and terrorist. And then he vanished, and hopefully he's dead."
"He also worked for British intelligence."
"Don't bloody remind me. I don't know what they were thinking."
I don't think so? It's Sivana, Beryl, SI, Beryl.I think you might have gotten your orange quote marks mixed up here.
Ah, but you see, children are innocent. They don't have significant moral sin nor are they tempted by it. That is why children could beat sin.Perhaps not, but it would have more of a Captain Marvel film.
No, they're in name only. Just like Sivana. They did not have the appearance or personality of the comic versions. That's what makes them random monsters. Replace them with anything and what changes? Nothing. Heck, replacing them with Oggar would have been an improvement. Replace them with the Monster Society of Evil. Same result. They could fight Batson and Co. and lose just as well, and it would make more sense because it wouldn't involve the Enemies of Mankind losing to literal children.
Eh, just of them. We get a clear idea of why NOTATALL!Sivana is doing what he's doing, Billly gets his post-Flashpoint character, only.. slightly better. There's even a 'Family - good or bad' thing going on. It just doesn't involve the sins, and if it doesn't involve them... Why are they there?Ah, but you see, children are innocent. They don't have significant moral sin nor are they tempted by it. That is why children could beat sin.
I agree the movie had weak characterization though.
*chance instead of changewe are biologically dissimilar enough that there was little change of disease transmission."
Should that be images instead of imagines?Sonic and electromagnetic imagines of butterflies being added-
"Georgia and Junior built it for me as a Father's Dad present. But even if you are being honest, I can tell perfectly well that your colleagues don't have your attitude towards me."
Ah, the dietary downside of the Sheeda. Because of course they're cannabilistic."All sheeda creatures share certain biological traits, certain genetic elements. I suspected as much when I was in their time, but I proved it beyond a shadow of a doubt by performing a detailed analysis of the tissue samples which I brought back with me."
I frown as we fly in the direction of the town, Linda flying to meet us part way.
"I don't remember you having tissue samples with you."
"Naturally I had to wait until my next bowel movement. I was far too malnourished to pump my stomach."
Ah, so it's not cannabilism, merely predation.Beryl fails to hide her disgust. "You were eating intelligent beings?"
"Oh, don't worry: we are biologically dissimilar enough that there was little change of disease transmission."
So he wasn't often eating people. Just imps and pixies.She regards me, then twists her right hand in a 'see what sort of person you're working with' gesture.
"And not often. The scavenger creatures were far easier to catch. The humanoid ones seldom left the cities except in armed patrol groups."
Slaughter Swamp, if no-one remembers, is one access to Witch-world (Melmoth's little demense) and the birthplace of Solomon Grundy."And the local butterflies contain sheeda genetic markers?"
"Yes. It's not entirely unique. Certain breeds around Slaughter Swamp show similar signs, but that place has a unique magical background which might have drawn sheeda attention in the past. This town has nothing. And yet, here they are. Sheeda-modified butterflies."
So now they have an epicenter. Time to catch some bugs."Butterflies. That's it?"
"A great many of the sheeda's weaponised creatures have insectoid traits. Perhaps Melmoth was testing the local creatures to see how compatible they are? Or perhaps they ate something. I really don't know yet."
Linda twists her fiery wings to match our direction as she reaches us, sparing Dr Sivana only a brief look. "Tempest has consulted with a local flower merchant. The scrublands near the old mine are popular with butterflies during the summer months, though they can be seen all over town."
"Time enough for that later. New samples are more important for fresh data!""Doctor, would you mind collecting the remaining Mind Destroyers while we investigate that area?"
"And deny myself the opportunity to gather more specimens? I don't think so."
Ha, of course. Be interesting if he could engineer a virus that infused all life on Earth, so that Sheeda died as soon as they come through their portals, no matter when."You're interested in butterflies?"
"I can hardly engineer a plague to exterminate the sheeda if I can't examine every creature containing their genetic material. Besides, I've already learned everything I can from the Mind Destroyers. The others won't have anything else interesting in them that that one didn't."
No offer of Dannering, of course. He is technically a criminal, even if he's working with OL on this."Doctor, one of two things are going to happen when we get there. Either we'll find a lot of dormant butterflies, or we'll get into a fight with something sheeda. If it's butterflies, there will be plenty for you. If it's sheeda, you're frail for a normal human. It would make far more sense for you to let us handle the fighting and for you to analyse whatever's left."
"While I'm not adverse to creating autonomous weapons to do my fighting for me, I'm certainly not about to let a group of superheroes blunder about the place without my supervision. And if you think I haven't taken my own physical frailty into account then you're sorely underestimating me."
Helpful. Because of course he has a program to analyze social cues."Doctor, you're our leading expert on the sheeda. Deploying you to the front lines-."
Something 'pings' in his cockpit.
"Mm?" he pokes at it. "Oh. My social analytics program thinks that you're being honest."
Aw, he really does love them. Explains why he'd wipe an entire species out of existence to protect them."Did Georgia get that from Dox?"
"Georgia and Junior built it for me as a Father's Dad present. But even if you are being honest, I can tell perfectly well that your colleagues don't have your attitude towards me."
Too used to punching people in the face, not enough time spent thinking about correcting problems."Was your first clue when I called you a murderer?"
"No, I just thought that was a statement of fact. I am a murderer, and an entirely unrepentant one. It was the way you kept using an accusatory tone of voice when you spoke to Orange Lantern. You don't approve of him working with me, even though you don't have anyone who knows as much about the sheeda as I do. It's a very heroic attitude. Very stupid."
Prime ground for an ambush, naturally."Doctor-."
"And here we are."
The ground below us is noticeably rockier than it was around town, and I can see the general outline of the mine workings. There hasn't been any serious mining in this area for decades, and the area is thoroughly overgrown.
Because of course they're scan-warded. Good thing the Ring has orders for getting around that.Ring, scan for butterflies.
Now there's an instruction that I never thoughts I'd give.
Basic scan reveals no butterflies. Sonic and electromagnetic imagines of butterflies being added-
Ah, battlesuits. Good way of protecting a squishy ally outside of Power rings.A huge number of tiny wire frame butterflies appear in my visual field.
-to your view.
Dr Sivana's ship drops down to just above the level of the ground and then… Spins around so that the exhaust is facing towards the ground. Inside the dome, the interior control system spins around so that the doctor is now facing outwards. And then… Panels at the side of the ship fold aside, arm mounted manipulators and particle beams deploying as, the exhaust section opens up and.. four.. stubby legs deploy. The mech suit then lands, the main flight system shutting down as a force field shimmers into being to protect the whole unit.
Let's not go scorched earth until after the team has the information it needs, hmm?"I'm fragile. It's not."
Beryl lands next to a small bush and holds up her personal computer's probe to scan a butterfly. The doctor spots her, then pulls some levers inside his control module to deploy a suction hose. I imagine that he'll want to analyse those later. Linda-.
Linda's eyes are burning pits of fire as she floats above us.
( ! ) Supergirl will remember that."I will burn these unnatural abominations-."
"Glass houses and stones, Supergirl."
Her eyes narrow at me, still burning.
...Sort of, yes."This is an intelligence gathering exercise. We need to understand what the sheeda are doing and how to fight them. You can burn the place after we have all of the samples we need."
She descends, her fiery wings extinguishing as she lands. Then she bends slightly and picks up a cocoon.
Then she frowns.
"These abominations are of earthly origin, correct?"
I hope he's lightened his workload a little, then."The sheeda are, as far as we know. The butterflies are local."
"There is something… Their spirits are malformed. A creature of the Earth should not be able to feel this way."
"I'll hand some examples to Sephtian, see what he makes of it."
And no doubt...She nods a little uncertainly. I suppose that it wouldn't hurt to take a detailed scan myself, if only so that I can recognise the modifications that have occurred to them. If I crush one then whatever's throwing off my scans should stop working.
I use a construct jar to grab a cocoon of my own and pull it over to me. Detailed scans show…
...These things have programmed responses to interference.That's curious. Why-?
The Spine Rider slices its way out of the cocoon and slashes its way through my construct!
The Spine Rider slices its way out of the cocoon and slashes its way through my construct!
Day"Georgia and Junior built it for me as a Father's Dad present.
thought
images
Do you think 'spins' is a bit awkward? Perhaps rotates?Inside the dome, the interior control system spins around so that
Unnecessary comma
And bounces off my armour!The Spine Rider slices its way out of the cocoon and slashes its way through my construct!