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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

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Chojin Patriarch said:
Two full stops here. I'm assuming he's not trailing off.
"I'd like to kill you. But my boss wants an audience for this. Head back to the main chamber I won't gut you right now."
Flows a bit oddly without a comma, even if he isn't pausing...
"I'm happy killed you right here, Red."
"I'm happy to kill you right here, Red."
(Tense error)
"What's you're name?"
"What's your name?"
...Martian internal affairs are only a tangential interest of mind.
...Martian internal affairs are only a tangential interest of mine.
She waves his left land in the direction of the corridor, and I start walking.
She waves her left land in the direction of the corridor, and I start walking.
He them turns our way, L'atroma lunging forward with her claws out-.
He then turns our way, L'atroma lunging forward with her claws out-.
The sound… Seems to be coming form everywhere.
The sound… Seems to be coming from everywhere.
Ah, the Voice Of God. Lovely beginner trick :p
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Thank you, corrected.
 
I'm somewhat reminded of a series, I can't for the life of me remember what that series actually was, but in it an oppressed group decides that killing their oppressors is the wrong thing to do. This pissed a lot of people on the Internet off, particularly communities on tumblr and reddit I believe.

There's something extremely satisfying about an oppressed group taking revenge on their oppressors, but I'm thankful Grayven is remaining neutral so far.

I seriously can't remember what that series was, I think it was drawn, so a cartoon or comic maybe, but I'm really drawing a blank. This is going to bother me for a while. Does anyone know what I'm talking about?
 
King of Frost said:
I'm somewhat reminded of a series, I can't for the life of me remember what that series actually was, but in it an oppressed group decides that killing their oppressors is the wrong thing to do. This pissed a lot of people on the Internet off, particularly communities on tumblr and reddit I believe.

There's something extremely satisfying about an oppressed group taking revenge on their oppressors, but I'm thankful Grayven is remaining neutral so far.

I seriously can't remember what that series was, I think it was drawn, so a cartoon or comic maybe, but I'm really drawing a blank. This is going to bother me for a while. Does anyone know what I'm talking about?
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Any animated series aimed primarily at children? ATLA did it, Steven Universe did it, and so on. Really, it'd be harder to find one that said that killing the oppressing class was acceptable at all, much less one that actually went through with it.
 
SirKaid said:
Any animated series aimed primarily at children? ATLA did it, Steven Universe did it, and so on. Really, it'd be harder to find one that said that killing the oppressing class was acceptable at all, much less one that actually went through with it.
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It was Steven Universe, thank you. I remembered a lot of people getting angry that Bismuth's "shatter the diamonds" plan was rejected by Rose and Steven, but I couldn't remember the series or the characters involved.
 
Mr Zoat said:
Sort of came up in A Song of Fire and Ice, where the origin story of the Faceless Men has them mercy kill a load of slaves rather than assassinate their cruel owners.
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Then eliminating the sorcerers of Valyria starting the Doom, wiping the heart of Essosi civilization and pluging Essos into a hundred years of civil war and barbarian invasion
 
Karmang manipulating sand.

Well that could be very bad.

Karmang summoned the Sand Superman in the comics.

I think it unlikely that the Sand Superman storyline played out, if nothing else, a comment that Superman sacrificed half his power level would have come up, but that doesn't mean that Karmang can't summon Quarrm spirits...
 
King of Frost said:
It was Steven Universe, thank you. I remembered a lot of people getting angry that Bismuth's "shatter the diamonds" plan was rejected by Rose and Steven, but I couldn't remember the series or the characters involved.
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In fairness, shattering is both unnecessary (a bubbled Gem is in stasis, unaware of the passage of time and unable to act) and barbaric (Gem fragments remain conscious and in constant torment forever) so there are good reasons why they rejected that solution.

I mean I wouldn't cry for them if it happened, but I wouldn't advocate for it either.
 
Field Trip (part 8)
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    "How..? Dare you?"

    "Hm."

    Karmang -odd name for a Martian- sprouts four spindly arms from his sides and makes a series of rapid, intricate gestures. Blue light wafts around his fingertips for a moment, then leaps for the projection. Which… Suddenly isn't a projection any longer.

    "Two degree-" Another gesture, this one involving clenched fingers and a tugging motion. "-shielding. Adequate-" The floors shifts, enveloping the Primate. "-in most-" Two arms retract and he makes a circling gesture, blue runes appearing all over the Primate's rocky prison. "-circumstances. But by now you should have realised that you were dealing with something unusual."

    The shocked Primate stills, then shudders as a section of runes flares. Karmang bows his head slightly, while the machinery fetishist next to him sort of rumbles.

    "I wrote the spells you just attempted. Even now, can you not accept that your preconceptions are wrong?"

    "You are not Karmang."

    "Ah." He turns his attention to me. "What is your name, alien?"

    "I am Grayven."

    "Do you know much of Martian history?"

    I shake my head, then realise that he's probably not familiar with humanoid body language. "Not a great deal."

    "And magic. Do you know about magic?"

    "My people's Elite have powerful innate magical abilities. Studying magic is a little less common, but we have more than a few sorcerers around the place."

    "And what brought you here?"

    "I'm living on Earth at the moment. Its arcane energy networks are remarkably strong, but severely underutilised. This was supposed to be the first step in forming a collegial research and knowledge-sharing group."

    "I heartily approve." He looks around the entry hall for a moment, taking in the frescos on the walls before returning his attention to me. "That was why I established the first monastery-."

    "You lie. You are not Karmang the Good."

    Karmang the arguably-not-good retracts his two remaining bonus arms and extends his natural right arm to point to a scene on one wall. "Yes." The scene shows a six-armed Red Martian leading a group of other Reds across a desert. "This is how they depict me now. Because it is completely unthinkable to this generation that any could learn magic who are not Red."

    The mechanical martian's left arm shapeshifts into some sort of gun-.

    "No, don't do that. I think that maintaining physical proof of their idiocy will be helpful to future generations."

    "Blasphemer!"

    "I wasn't trying to found a religion." He goes back to looking at me. "Do you know what the Guardians did to our people?"

    "Broadly. Though I can't say that I disapprove. If the Burners had ever reached Earth, my favourite planet would have-."

    He raises his right hand. "I know. And I agree. Even now, I find it difficult to recapture how thinking like that felt. The incessant drive to destroy-."

    "Wait." I frown. "You were there? Martians… Aren't immortal."

    And if they had been, I suspect that the Guardians would have edited that too, just in case.

    "There are ways to extend one's life with magic, if one has the correct frame of mind. It requires me to spend periods of time in torpor, but I believe it has been worth it."

    "And… I got the impression that the Guardians scrubbed the memories of the martians they worked on. If you retained yours, shouldn't you be an apocalyptic rage monster?"

    "It's hard, remembering what it was like back then. It was a long time ago, and I was a very different man. I'm not sure exactly what happened. I remember… Our alpha and his warriors being struck down, and… I think I remember trying to hide. Or at least trying to threaten without attacking. But they pacified me and took me aboard their ship. I remember the… Green glowing automata who served the short… Guardians."

    "How do you remember?"

    "Magic. It was a long time afterwards that I learned to systematise even a tiny fraction of what I could feel about the universe surrounding me. But a tiny… Shift, a simple protective sigil was enough to shield my memories from their machines. Not my body, and their bonds still bound certain parts of my mind, but once they left I alone remembered how things had been."

    He walks over to another image, the six-armed Red gesturing to a garden while his students listen at his feet.

    "Having had millennia to consider the issue, and to compare what we are now with what we were, I have to say that I think this is better. And while I'd rather they hadn't wrecked our planet to do it, it wasn't anything we wouldn't have eventually done ourselves."

    "I'm a little surprised to hear the leader of a terrorist-." I glance at L'atroma. "Sorry, murderist group being so calm about things."

    "With great age comes… Perspective. Some things are worth being angry about. Others aren't." He gently touches the fresco. "I took my first students from amongst Ma'aleca'andra's Red population, believing that the Guardians had altered them least."

    "I'm sorry, I thought that you said that you approved-?"

    "Of clarity of thought, yes. Not of being afraid of fire or isolation. I wanted to learn how it had been done, to see if I could learn to modify it, to alter us further. And in case you've ever thought that simply being more like our forebears was what allowed the Reds to become dominant, no. It was me." He turns away from the mural and back towards the Primate. "By teaching Reds from across the planet the most elementary principles of magic, it reinforced the instinctual fear and respect we had been programmed with. And because I took Red students from all across Ma'aleca'andra and returned them home once their studies had reached a satisfactory level, I created a worldwide network of sorcerers who knew one another and who were on good terms with one another."

    Hah! "You created their planetary government?"

    "Its predecessor, yes. And then I underwent my first torpor, and when I emerged… Colourism which put me in the underclass, and not a jot of progress toward the goal I had set them." He walks back towards the Primate. "But I was prepared to be patient. I sought volunteers from the White population, and experimented further. I've learned a great deal about the magics of Mars, but I never came close to a solution to my main problem. So many years… Only for my agents to one day hear a telepathic broadcast which explained the whole thing and demonstrated the solution."

    "I was on that mission."

    "I don't remember seeing you. And I studied that missive in extreme detail."

    "I was evacuated before the confrontation with the Burner could occur. Nitrogen narcosis and a drained power ring. Trust me, I'm in the full version." He doesn't respond. "But surely my name came up in relation to the fix?"

    "I don't recall seeing any alien faces. But as you pointed out, young M'gann wasn't broadcasting everything she experienced. I would like to meet her at some point. Could you arrange th-?"

    The rock holding the Primate explodes!
     
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    Two arms retract and he makes a circling gesture, blue runes appearing all over the Primate rocky prison.
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    Two arms retract and he makes a circling gesture, blue runes appearing all over the Primate's rocky prison.

    He looks around the entry hall for a moment, taking in the freezes on the walls before returning his attention to me.
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    He looks around the entry hall for a moment, taking in the frescos on the walls before returning his attention to me.
    ('Frieze' is apparently a decorative border and 'fresco' are the wall paintings)

    He walks over to another image, the six-armed Red gesturing to a garden while his students listed at his feet.
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    He walks over to another image, the six-armed Red gesturing to a garden while his students listen at his feet.

    He gently touches the freeze.
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    He gently touches the fresco.

    "I took my first students from amongst Ma'aleca'andra's Red population, believing that the Guardians had altered them least."
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    And there's the C. S. Lewis homage. Lovely Silver Age DC stuff.

    Hah! "Your created their planetary government?"
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    Hah! "You created their planetary government?"

    Well, that went well enough. Looks like Grayven had enough skill points in Diplomacy to avoid the tough boss fight. Now he's facing the alternate fight :D
     
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    Chojin Patriarch said:
    Two arms retract and he makes a circling gesture, blue runes appearing all over the Primate's rocky prison.
    He looks around the entry hall for a moment, taking in the freezes on the walls before returning his attention to me.
    He looks around the entry hall for a moment, taking in the frescos on the walls before returning his attention to me.
    ('Frieze' is apparently a decorative border and 'fresco' are the wall paintings)
    He walks over to another image, the six-armed Red gesturing to a garden while his students listed at his feet.
    He walks over to another image, the six-armed Red gesturing to a garden while his students listen at his feet.
    He gently touches the freeze.
    He gently touches the fresco.
    Hah! "Your created their planetary government?"
    Hah! "You created their planetary government?"
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    Thank you, corrected.
     
    Oh my word, I have not thought about Ghastly's Ghastly Comic in years. Forgot it even existed.
     
    King of Frost said:
    Actually, from what I understand of this, the writer that used Hino Rei as Martian Manhunter's disguise name called up a Japanese friend of his and wanted to know a usable name that has to do with Mars, or something along those lines. His friend suggested the name as a joke on the writer, so Batman figured out the name because the writer thought it's meaning was actually related.

    Batman figuring it out because of Sailor Moon is the more fun answer though.
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    That's the Doylist answer, I was using a Watsonian one... although the name 'Hino Rei' is actually related to Mars.
     
    Wait, Karmang is saying that he used magic to sheild his mind and prevent the guardians from erasing everything, so that means that the Burning martians could use magic!

    That is very frightning but it also makes sense how he could start a magical tradition that way, its like how various mages on earth started their carreer uncovering old books or records that showed them how to get started, but instead Karmang was the record, and used his new more stable mind to capitalize on what magic he knew from his more primitive days...

    I love it, and I am so looking forward towards learning more of the specifics of Martian magic, so far it looks like it expands on their natural abilities, that plant was use to find its ancestral memory, basically psychometry, possibly expanding on martian mental senses, Karmang seems to fight by telekinetically moving sand and earth enhanced with magic, This supports my Idea of Hyperclan using magic to build off natural martian powers for their amazing feats- that mechanical one for example seems to have enhanced his shapeshifting to either replicate or integrate with tech. It is nice to see a magic system that seems so integrated and suited for that culture.
     
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